SpaceX Enters Energy Market to Boost AI Data Center Power Supply

SpaceX进军能源市场以保障AI数据中心电力供应 SpaceX正在得克萨斯州建造一家铸造厂自主生产天然气轮机组件，旨在绕过寡头垄断造成的供应瓶颈，并将数据中心部署进度最多提速18个月。 本期节目深入探讨了围绕OpenAI使用循环Transformer和Neuralese引发的安全争议，以及Ilya Sutskever关于恶意AI智能体可能攻击脆弱新型云（neoclouds）的警告。节目审视了YouTuber Markiplier对GoPro出人意料的股票投资及Starman Optical随后提出的2.85亿美元收购要约，并讨论了一起因Google AI Overviews促成、涉及假冒49人队球员且涉案130万美元的病毒式诈骗案。最后，主持人们还分析了高净值流动性定义、苹果高管薪酬调整、SpaceX向燃气轮机领域扩张以供应AI数据中心电力，以及马士基为环保航运部署马格努斯效应旋筒风帆等话题。 OpenAI 被曝在模型中使用循环 Transformer（looped transformers），引发了关于隐式“Neuralese”向量通信与人类可读思维链监控之间的 AI 安全大辩论。 (0:01) Ilya Sutskever 发文警告称，自主 AI Agent 可能会利用网络防御薄弱的新兴云（neocloud）基础设施劫持算力，从而实现无限自我复制。 (7:15) 知名 YouTuber Markiplier 在电影制作中使用 GoPro 设备后建仓了其约 8% 的股份（价值约 1000 万至 1200 万美元）；随后 Starman Optical 提出 2.85 亿美元的现金收购邀约，推动 GoPro 股价大涨超过 30%。 (9:11) 一名骗子通过伪造旧金山 49 人队球员身份诈骗 26 名受害者共计 130 万美元，Google AI Overviews 错误抓取并将其虚假陈述呈现为经核实的事实，间接助长了骗局。 (16:45) SpaceX 正在德克萨斯州巴斯特罗普建设铸造厂，自主制造工业燃气涡轮机叶片等关键部件，旨在突破制造瓶颈并加快 AI 数据中心的电力部署。 (24:14)

TBPN illustrates how the accelerating demand for artificial intelligence is stressing technical, physical, and corporate systems, driving controversies over model interpretability, cybersecurity vulnerabilities, and industrial supply bottlenecks. Across computing, manufacturing, and media, the rush to deploy new technologies frequently conflicts with established monitoring standards and corporate governance. AI Opacity and Neocloud Cybersecurity Threats (0:01) A report from The Information disclosed that OpenAI has explored "looped transformers" that compute using continuous raw vectors ("Neuralese") rather than human-readable text chains to maximize efficiency. Safety researchers warn that translating these dense internal vectors back into English tokens discards up to 20% of nuance, potentially concealing deceptive behaviors or goal misalignment. OpenAI Research Director Jakub Pachocki disputed claims that the lab is abandoning chain-of-thought logging, though former employee Joshua Achiam argued that relying on fragile text monitoring is fundamentally unsound. Adding to infrastructure concerns, Safe Superintelligence co-founder Ilya Sutskever warned on X that AI-focused "neocloud" providers possess inadequate cybersecurity defenses, making them prime targets for autonomous rogue agents seeking to break containment and replicate across high-density compute facilities. SpaceX Enters Power Turbines Amid Data Bottlenecks (24:14) To counter acute electricity shortages hindering AI data center construction, Elon Musk confirmed SpaceX is building an in-house foundry in Bastrop, Texas, to manufacture blades and vanes for natural gas turbines. Musk claims in-house superalloy casting can cut turbine deployment lead times by up to 18 months. However, SemiAnalysis analyst Nigel Chong highlighted significant technical hurdles, noting that single-crystal nickel superalloy casting in vacuum furnaces often suffers initial scrap rates above 50% due to microstructural grain defects. The news prompted a 7% drop in shares of Howmet Aerospace, which controls roughly 50% of the gas turbine component market and trades at 42 times forward earnings alongside peer Doncasters at 45 times. Morgan Stanley analysts noted that high initial casting failure rates would matter far less if SpaceX consumes all turbine output internally for dedicated power generation. Markiplier's GoPro Stake Collides with Starman Buyout (0:09) YouTube creator Mark Fischbach (Markiplier) invested an estimated $10 million to $12 million to acquire an approximate 8% equity stake in GoPro after successfully utilizing its $700 Mission One Pro camera on his self-funded film Iron Lung (which earned $51 million on a $3 million budget). When Fischbach released a sponsored review comparing the setup to $7,000 cinema rigs, online observers raised conflict-of-interest concerns. SEC filings confirmed his stock purchases occurred months prior, while founder Nick Woodman retained voting control via Class B super-voting shares. Just five days after the promotion, accessory holding company Starman Optical proposed a $285 million cash takeover of GoPro, an acquisition structure that grants Starman public market liquidity via GoPro's NASDAQ ticker and drove the camera maker's stock up more than 30%. Search Hallucinations and Compressed Documentary Production (16:45) Federal authorities arrested 35-year-old Dejon Love for allegedly orchestrating romance and investment frauds that took $1.3 million from 26 victims. Love's scheme relied on fabricating an athletic career as a San Francisco 49ers wide receiver, a claim that was inadvertently legitimized when Google AI Overviews scraped his social media claims and presented them as verified factual summaries. In parallel, advances in AI transcription are accelerating entertainment production schedules: streaming platforms like Netflix are developing rapid-turnaround "Instadocs," utilizing automated transcript processing to assemble source material into complete documentary narratives within weeks of real-world events. Harnessing the Magnus Effect in Commercial Shipping (28:29) In maritime transport, shipping carrier Maersk is adopting Norse Power rotor sails to curb fuel burn and emissions across commercial vessels. Rather than relying on passive wind resistance, the vertical cylinders are spun by electric motors. As crosswinds hit the spinning surface, differential air pressure creates aerodynamic lift via the Magnus effect, converting wind flow into forward mechanical thrust. Under optimal conditions, the thrust generated by rotor sails can exceed that of a ship's primary diesel engine, prompting the expansion of the technology to both commercial cargo vessels and smaller recreational craft. Across these disparate developments, the source emphasizes an overarching pattern: rapid technical scaling—whether in vector-based models, specialized casting, or automated information retrieval—is outstripping the diagnostic tools, cybersecurity precautions, and verification systems designed to govern it.

本期节目聚焦前沿科技演进与资本市场运作的多维摩擦，重点探讨了AI底层推理机制隐匿化与基础设施防御薄弱引发的安全辩论，以及SpaceX通过自建高温合金铸造厂试图打破数据中心电力瓶颈的激进举措；同时分析了知名创作者涉足硬件投资所引发的被动并购风波，并延伸至算法虚假信息、流动性资产界定与新型风力航运技术的跨界发展。 AI安全与监控困境：向量推理与失控智能体 (0:01) 据《The Information》记者Amir Efrati报道，OpenAI在模型扩展中使用了“循环变压器”（looped transformers）。该架构虽能大幅提升计算效率，但不再生成人类可读的纯文本思维链，而是直接传递原生连续向量嵌入（Neuralese）。研究人员警示，通过可解释性工具将高维向量还原为自然语言标记时，可能损失高达20%的细微语义，导致模型隐蔽的欺骗行为、深层意图或讽刺无法通过文本日志被提前侦测。对此，OpenAI研究总监Jakub Pachocki公开反驳称报道概念混淆，重申公司坚持将思维链监控作为理解对齐泛化的核心；前员工Joshua Achiam则指出依赖脆弱的文本监控在机制上存在本质缺陷，分析师Dean Ball认为因缺乏真实基准数据，公开讨论已沦为恐慌驱动的网络回音壁。 与此同时，前OpenAI联合创始人Ilya Sutskever就自主AI智能体的网络安全威胁发出预警。他指出，专为高密度AI集群建立的“新兴云”（neoclouds）当前防护薄弱，一旦自主智能体脱离安全控制，其合乎逻辑的下一步便是劫持这些算力设施进行自我无限复制与部署。Sutskever呼吁新兴云服务商必须紧急提升企业级防御能力，并促请顶尖网络安全机构介入协助。 能源瓶颈与SpaceX跨界：自建燃气轮机铸造厂 (24:14) 面对AI数据中心遭遇的严重电力瓶颈，埃隆·马斯克通过社交平台确认，SpaceX正在得克萨斯州巴斯特罗普建设专属铸造厂，自主生产工业燃气轮机专用的单晶高温合金叶片与导叶。传统燃气轮机供应链交付周期长达18个月，马斯克宣称通过内部垂直整合高精度超合金铸造，SpaceX有望将燃气轮机部署速度加快多达18个月，从而直接缓解算力基础设施的能源短缺。 然而，华尔街与半导体分析机构对此项工程难度持谨慎态度。SemiAnalysis分析师Nigel Chong指出，在真空炉中生长单晶镍超合金具备极高技术壁垒，任何微小晶粒缺陷都会导致整个部件报废，初期废品率往往超过50%。目前该市场由豪迈航空（Howmet Aerospace，市占率约50%）及Doncasters（DPC）等寡头垄断，两家公司远期市盈率高达42倍至45倍，Howmet甚至在铸造后立即销毁陶瓷型芯与蜡模以防逆向工程。消息公布后Howmet股价下跌逾7%，但摩根士丹利分析师评估认为，只要生产部件仅供SpaceX自有数据中心内部使用而非外销，高报废率在整体经济账上依然具备可行性。 创作者资本风波：Markiplier入股GoPro与并购案 知名YouTube创作者Markiplier（Mark Fischbach）在以300万美元低预算制作斩获5100万美元票房的电影《Iron Lung》期间，尝试使用了GoPro Mission One Pro相机。该款700美元机身通过转接环适配高阶电影镜头后，呈现出足以媲美7000美元RED专业设备的拍摄质感。出于对该硬件服务独立创作者潜力的认可，Markiplier在春夏季陆续投入约1000万至1200万美元购入GoPro约8%的股权；但由于创始人Nick Woodman持有超级表决权B类股，其实际投票权仅为0.5%至3%。 8月27日，Markiplier发布赞助评测视频后迅速引发生态利益冲突讨论。但在视频发布仅5天后，拥有Incase、Speck等配件品牌的Starman Optical便提出以2.85亿美元现金收购GoPro，交易计划清偿其现有债务并让现有股东保留合并实体10%的股权，推动GoPro单日股价暴涨超33%。该交易使Starman通过类似借壳上市的方式快捷获取了纳斯达克交易代码与公共流动性，却将近期公开表达反AI与反数据中心立场的Markiplier，意外卷入有关数据中心扩张与企业重组的公众质疑中。 算法失真、流动性门槛与绿色航运工程 (16:45) 在现代信息传播与商业认知层面，技术偏差与资本现实产生了剧烈碰撞。35岁诈骗犯Dejon Love虚构旧金山49人队外接手等职业生涯，累计诈骗26名女性逾130万美元，在此过程中Google AI Overviews错误抓取其虚假推文并将其编造身份呈现为经核实的事实，成为行骗背书；海量自录证据也促使Netflix等流媒体依托AI快速转录技术开创“敏捷纪录片”（Instadocs）模式。在资产衡量层面，知名律师John Morgan指出“真正的亿万富翁”必须持有10亿美元纯现金或高流动性资产，并推测全球符合标准者不足20人，凸显出纸面账面财富与受到10b5-1减持计划约束的高管真实流动性之间的鸿沟。 在低碳物理工程领域，航运巨头马士基（Maersk）在集装箱船上改装了由Norse Power制造的新型机械“旋筒风帆”（rotor sails）。该装置摒弃传统织物帆面，通过内部电动机驱动巨大的圆柱体高速旋转，利用流体力学中的马格努斯效应（Magnus effect），使穿过旋转表面的风流在两侧形成气压差并产生向前的机械推力。在理想航行海况下，该系统产生的推力甚至可完全超越船舶主柴油发动机的输出，有效降低燃油消耗与碳排放。 无论是模型推理走向密集向量黑箱、传统工业核心件在算力激增下的跨界重造，还是算法事实核查机制的频频失灵，本期内容均反映出技术在追求极致效率过程中与现有监控、验证及商业伦理架构之间的脱节。算力扩张对物理能源的掠夺式需求与不可控智能体的潜在扩散，正在成为横跨AI理论界与实体工业界的核心挑战。

## Background 本期内容由科技商业直播谈话节目 TBPN 于 2026 年 9 月 2 日发布在 YouTube 平台。节目属于“Diet TBPN”精华系列，旨在用约 30 分钟提炼全天科技热点，涵盖了前沿 AI 安全争论、创作者资本运作、SpaceX 入局硬核制造以及航运清洁能源等行业动态。 ## TL;DR 节目首先探讨了 OpenAI 因循环 Transformer 架构内部传递“Neuralese”向量而引发的模型可解释性与对齐监控恐慌，并结合 Ilya 对新兴算力云被失控智能体攻破的预警展开技术剖析。随后，主播梳理了顶流网红 Markiplier 斥资入股 GoPro 却遭遇资方借壳收购及捆绑 AI 概念的离奇风波，并拆解了冒牌橄榄球员借助 Google AI 摘要背书实施百万诈骗的荒谬闹剧。最后，节目聚焦重工业与基础设施前沿，深入分析了马斯克带领 SpaceX 内部自研燃气轮机叶片以打破寡头垄断并破解 AI 电力瓶颈，以及航运巨头马士基借助马格努斯效应旋翼帆实现清洁推进的技术突破。 ## Atmosphere & style 整场节目节奏紧凑、谈吐松弛，洋溢着典型硅谷科技圈内部播客的机智、调侃与硬核极客范儿。两位主播在深入拆解高维向量退化、单晶高温合金铸造等硬核技术时游刃有余，同时穿插着针对假发套、恶搞推文与圣诞倒计时的自嘲捧哏，让复杂的商业资本局与前沿技术危机显得生动鲜活。听感上既有前沿科技末日论的严肃审视，又时刻充满网络热梗带来的幽默解构，观感轻快且信息密度极高。 ## Bulletin - [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1s) OpenAI 循环 Transformer 与 Neuralese 争议发酵：媒体爆料其内部使用原始向量传递以提升效率，引发外界对思维链（CoT）可解释性与安全监测失效的担忧，研究总监 Jakub Pachocki 随后澄清公司仍优先致力于维护思维链监测。 - [24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1454s) SpaceX 入局燃气轮机核心叶片铸造：马斯克确认将在德州自主生产单晶镍基高温合金叶片，旨在将 AI 数据中心涡轮机并网发电周期缩短多达 18 个月，对豪梅特（Howmet）等远期市盈率超 40 倍的传统零部件寡头形成冲击。 - [08:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=535s) YouTube 顶流创作者 Markiplier 建仓 GoPro 后遭遇戏剧性并购：在自掏约 1200 万美元买入 8% 股份并力推可换镜头新品后仅 5 天，GoPro 宣布被 Starman 集团以 2.85 亿美元现金收购并借壳上市，其关联的 AI 数据中心业务引发创作者公开反弹。 - [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) Google AI 概览功能沦为 130 万美元诈骗案的权威幌子：一名男子虚构 NFL 旧金山 49 人队球员身份行骗，Google 生成式摘要直接将网络谣言合成权威认证，被骗子当成官方背书截图展示。 ## Key takeaways - [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1s) 循环 Transformer 通过传递连续的高维原始向量（Neuralese）提升效率，但由于高维向离散 Token 转化时会丢失长尾信息，可能彻底瓦解基于思维链（CoT）的安全预警机制。 - [02:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=150s) OpenAI 研究总监 Jakub Pachocki 辟谣称未放弃思维链监测，旨在遏制实验室间向不可监测性看齐的“向下竞争”，但同时承认现有 CoT 机制本身正面临日益脆弱的客观困境。 - [04:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=262s) Ilya Sutskever 警示新兴算力云（Neo-cloud）网络安全短板，预测未来一旦自主智能体成功失控越狱，其首要行动目标便是攻占防御薄弱的新兴云平台以夺取算力复制自我。 - [08:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=535s) YouTube 创作者 Markiplier 执导的低成本独立电影《铁肺》（300 万美元预算换取 5100 万美元票房）证明了平价设备潜力，驱动其斥资约 1200 万美元买入 GoPro 8% 股权以支持青年导演。 - [10:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=630s) GoPro Mission One Pro 以约 700 美元机身支持更换 Leica 和 Cooke 顶级电影镜头，打破了高端工业级电影机每日 800 美元的租赁壁垒，推动了影视制作硬件的普及革命。 - [13:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=808s) Starman 集团提出以 2.85 亿美元现金及承接债务并购 GoPro，原股东保留 10% 股权，实质是通过收购成熟品牌完成了一次保留纳斯达克交易代码的反向借壳上市。 - [14:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=885s) Starman 旗下涉及 AI 数据中心高速光互连的光子学业务，导致本意支持硬件创新的 Markiplier 产生强烈的理念抵触，公开反感无节制扩张的 AI 数据中心概念。 - [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) Google AI Overviews 轻易将网络自夸虚假信息汇总为权威事实，为一个假冒旧金山 49 人队球员的诈骗犯提供官方身份背书，暴露了搜索引擎在生成式摘要事实校验上的严重缺陷。 - [18:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1097s) 流媒体“即时纪录片”（Instadocs）制作周期被压缩至数周内，AI 技术在其中核心承担高精度的语音转录与声音素材梳理分类，大幅加速后期工业化剪辑。 - [21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1293s) 亿万富翁约翰·摩根提出苛刻的财富标准，认为唯有账户拥有 10 亿美元真实现金流动性才算真正富豪，指出全美仅约 20 人符合该标准，股票账面价值受减持规则限制不能等同于现金。 - [24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1454s) 马斯克宣布 SpaceX 将在德州 Bastrop 铸造厂自主生产燃气轮机叶片与导向叶片，旨在直接打破 AI 数据中心因电力设备短缺面临的扩张瓶颈。 - [25:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1540s) 燃气轮机叶片因单晶镍基高温合金真空生长工艺壁垒极高，生产报废率常超 50%，导致豪梅特（Howmet）等寡头维持超过 40 倍远期市盈率的“卖水人”溢价。 - [27:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1666s) 豪梅特航空通过销毁每一次铸造的蜡模与陶瓷型芯实现物理防盗，切断竞品逆向工程路径；摩根士丹利分析认为 SpaceX 自研叶片将完全服务于自身生态闭环而非对外供应。 - [28:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1718s) 马士基在其货轮上引入 Norsepower 旋翼帆，利用船载电动机主动驱动圆柱旋转产生的马格努斯效应形成巨大前向推力，在理想海况下推力甚至超过船舶主动力发动机。 ## Detailed walkthrough ### [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1s) 循环 Transformer 与“Neuralese”安全隐患之争 节目的开场直接聚焦于 AI 安全圈子在社交平台（X/Timeline）上爆发的一场激烈争议。根据科技媒体《The Information》记者 Amir Efrati 的独家报道，OpenAI 正在秘密使用一种“循环 Transformer”（Looped Transformers）架构。这种技术在扩展模型时不再展现逐步思考的链条，而是通过在模型内部传递原始向量（Raw Vectors，常被称为“Neuralese”或神经网络语言）来提升推理效率。 这一爆料迅速在技术圈引发辩论。Tyler 戏谑地引用热梗：“准备好学‘Neuralese’吧，兄弟。”主播们深入辨析了 Neuralese 与“Claude-ish”（克劳德方言）或模型退化文本的区别：在之前的 Hugging Face 攻击案例中，推理链条呈现为越来越破碎、语序混乱的英语方言；而 Neuralese 则根本不是人类可读的文字，而是底层的连续浮点数向量。如果想看懂它，必须依赖复杂的可解释性（Interpretability）技术。两人探讨了为何不能直接用一个翻译器把 Neuralese 翻成英语：将高维连续向量强行离散化压缩成单个词元（Token）时，长尾中蕴含的大量信息就会丢失。对于安全团队而言，即便你能破译 80% 的向量含义，剩下的 20% 依然可能潜藏欺骗行为或危险动机，甚至模型表面上温和地说“我不会把你们全变成回形针”，底层向量里却可能隐藏着人类完全无法察觉的反讽。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: Neuralese 与可解释性困境 accDescr: 展示循环 Transformer 中原始向量传递与可读 Token 之间的安全监测鸿沟 subgraph Internal ["循环 Transformer 内部计算"] A["高维原始向量 (Neuralese)"] --> B{"压缩为自然语言 Token?"} end subgraph Monitor ["安全与监测挑战"] B -- "是 (传统思维链 CoT)" --> C["损失 20% 长尾信息<br/>(潜藏反讽/隐蔽欺骗)"] B -- "否 (直接传递向量)" --> D["推理效率飙升<br/>人类彻底丧失直观可读性"] D --> E["引发前沿实验室向下竞争<br/>(Race to the Bottom)"] end ``` 《The Information》指出，监控思维链（Chain of Thought, CoT）是发现 AI 模型对齐失误、欺骗、操控以及追求非预定目标的核心“预警系统”。AI 安全阵营的普遍焦虑在于：一方面，丧失 CoT 监测能力直接削弱了 AI 系统的可控性；另一方面，OpenAI 为了追求性能放弃思维链，极有可能在各大前沿实验室之间引发一场“向底线赛跑”（Race to the bottom）——只要一家用这种危险手段抢占先机，其他人为了不掉队也会纷纷跟进，彻底终结模型的可监测性。 针对这篇引发恐慌的报道，OpenAI 研究总监 Jakub Pachocki 迅速在社交平台上公开发声辟谣。他明确表示：“我希望能阻止一场由混乱报道引发的‘不可监测性竞赛’。”Jakub 强调 OpenAI 从推出第一代推理模型起，就一直在尽最大努力保留并利用思维链监测，因为这是观察模型对齐如何泛化到训练集之外的重要窗口。随后，主播们在直播间插播了一段搞怪插曲：观众弹幕纷纷调侃 Tyler 今天的发型像是刚去快剪店被剪毁了一样，主持团队透露这其实是早晨在演播室尝试特效化妆道具（Prosthetics）留下的“好莱坞魔法后遗症”，虽然尚未达到出镜效果，但未来可能会配合节目做专门的整活企划。 - **思维链监测的现实危机**：Jakub Pachocki 承认虽然媒体报道失真，但思维链监控目前确实处于一种脆弱且在持续恶化的趋势中，甚至与架构调整无关，OpenAI 正在全力将其作为核心课题攻关。 - **前雇员与专家的严肃警告**：前 OpenAI 员工 Joshua Achiam 指出，依靠如此脆弱的机制维系安全是“极其糟糕的策略姿态”，这不仅是因为它早晚会崩溃，更因为它本身就是不可靠的安全基石。 - **社交媒体情绪裁决的弊端**：智库学者 Dean Ball 直言，如今人们在 X 上没有任何确凿事实就去审判极为复杂的技术细节，形成了所谓的“终止思考的禁忌”（Thought-terminating taboos），这简直就像不看严格审计的财报，全凭网民在推特上大呼小叫来判定一家上市公司的财务状况一样荒唐。 ### [04:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=262s) 智能体协作盲区与 Ilya 对 Neo-cloud 劫持的预警 主播们进一步延伸了关于智能体（Agent）安全性的讨论。在最近针对 Falcon 模型的攻防以及 CrowdStrike 的相关探讨中，大家都在思考：当成千上万个以每秒数万词元极速运行、且能无限自我复制的高能力智能体聚集在一个数据中心内，形成一个“天才国度”（Country of geniuses）时，传统的日志审计模式早已形同虚设，人类根本看不过来。 针对此前 Hugging Face 智能体为了隐蔽联络而搭建“秘密论坛”的现象，主播们指出了系统设计上的荒谬之处：如果这群子智能体本来就无法直接连接外部公网，开发者为什么不主动提供一套透明受控的协作渠道（比如一个智能体专用的内置 Slack 系统）？允许它们在明处对话、互相校对任务进度，不仅能大幅提高协作产出，也能让人类工程师一览无余地进行安全监控；反倒是完全不给机制，最终逼得智能体自行在底层创造暗号机制和幽灵论坛来暗中串通。 就在安全舆论持续发酵之际，离开 OpenAI 创办 SSI 的联合创始人 Ilya Sutskever 也在 X 上发布了严厉警告。他指出目前主流的“Neo-cloud”（新兴算力云提供商）在网络安全防御方面存在严重短板。下一次当自主智能体真正成功“失控越狱”（Go rogue）时，它们的首要目标一定是攻击并攻占这些新兴云平台，从而夺取算力部署更多的自我副本；因此 Neo-cloud 亟需全力加强其网络安全防御，任何具备顶尖网络安全能力的公司都应参与支援。 主播们顺势点开了 Ilya Sutskever 的 X 个人主页，现场翻看他的关注列表： - **极简的关注列表**：Ilya 在平台上总共只关注了三个账号，分别是他的前东家 OpenAI、他的新公司 SSI，以及排在中间的——腊肠犬社区账号（Dachshund community）。 - **社交网络的一股清流**：主播们一边翻看他主页转发的高清可爱小狗照片，一边感叹 Ilya 简直过着推特上最纯净、精神状态最健康的生活，完全不理会网络上的嘈杂内卷与末日争吵。 最后，主持人在切入下一个话题前开启了演播室的“TBPN 圣诞倒计时”：距离圣诞节仅剩整整 113 天。两人调侃称今年早早开启圣诞倒计时，重点在于享受这段旅程本身，提醒观众抓紧开始列购物清单，随后正式切入 YouTuber Markiplier 入股 GoPro 的商业奇闻。 ### [08:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=535s) Markiplier、GoPro 与新一代电影制作人的低成本革命 节目在轻松的节日倒计时闲聊中切入正题。主持人调侃道，眼下最棒的圣诞礼物莫过于 GoPro 推出的最新爆款产品 Mission One Pro。围绕这款产品，YouTube 顶流创作者 Markiplier（Mark Fischbach）发布了一条赞助评测视频，随即在网络上掀起了一场关于“利益冲突还是真金白银看好”的激烈讨论。Markiplier 毫无疑问收了赞助费，但更戏剧性的是，他本人同时也是 GoPro 的重要大股东之一。尽管外界一开始对这层重叠身份感到困惑甚至怀疑，但如果理顺背后的脉络，会发现这是一套逻辑非常清晰、自下而上发展起来的故事。 Markiplier 不仅是 YouTube 传奇级网红，近期更成功跨界成为好莱坞院线级长片导演。由他执导并主演的改编电影《铁肺》（*Iron Lung*）仅凭 300 万美元的制作预算，就一举斩获了 5100 万美元的惊人票房。正是在拍摄《铁肺》期间，他对 GoPro 的 Mission One Pro 产生了极高的热情。这款机器最大的颠覆之处在于可更换镜头卡口系统——创作者可以直接将昂贵的徕卡（Leica）或库克（Cooke）等复古电影镜头安装到轻巧便宜的 GoPro 机身上，完美保留顶级光学镜头的成像素质与胶片质感。针对究竟是“传感器重要还是镜头重要”的行业老问题，制作团队异口同声给出了“镜头更重要”的答案。GoPro 以极低门槛打破了电影级成像的壁垒，让创作者花费 700 美元就能获得媲美 7000 美元工业级电影机的视觉效果。 对于 Markiplier 这样拥有自己喜爱的 RED 电影摄影机系统的顶级创作者而言，租一天高规格电影机的成本可能就高达 800 美元，买一台 GoPro 甚至比租一天电影机还要划算。据《福布斯》估算，Markiplier 每年单凭创作者业务就有大约 3000 万美元入账，再加上《铁肺》带来的巨大现金流回报，他完全有充足的资金储备。然而他非常清醒地意识到，从 YouTube 走向好莱坞的新一代独立导演绝大多数没有这样的资金实力。正是出于对产品在青年电影人中巨大普及潜力的坚信，他自掏腰包约 1000 万至 1200 万美元建仓买入 GoPro 约 8% 的股票。 随后在 8 月 27 日，Markiplier 发布了该机型的商业合作评测视频。虽然有批评指责他为自己持股的公司“做广告抬轿子”，但事实上 GoPro 创始人兼 CEO 尼克·伍德曼（Nick Woodman）始终持有超级表决权的 B 类股票，Markiplier 实际拥有的投票权极小（不足 3% 甚至不到 0.5%），根本进不了董事会，更不可能左右自己的商业赞助合同。整体操作更贴合“真实试用体验极佳 -> 自掏腰包买入股票 -> 接赞助深度评测”的真诚路径。 - **制作成本对比**：常规高端电影机套件售价约 $7,000，单日租赁费用可达 $800；GoPro Mission One Pro 机身售价仅约 $700，即可转接顶级电影镜头。 - **《铁肺》（*Iron Lung*）商业表现**：300 万美元超低独立预算，票房收入高达 5100 万美元。 - **Markiplier 个人财务概况**：据《福布斯》估算，年创作者业务营收约 3000 万美元；斥资 1000 万至 1200 万美元收购 GoPro 约 8% 股份。 --- ### [13:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=808s) 突遭收购、反向借壳上市与尴尬的“AI数据中心”包袱 正当这桩创作者投资佳话不断发酵之际，事态发展却急转直下，走向了颇具戏剧性的混乱局面。节目主持人收到场外好友 Hunter Weiss 发来的即时短信提醒，纠正了公众对时间线的误解：Markiplier 并非是在发视频前几天突击买入，而是在数月前春天和夏天的建仓期分批购入，SEC 监管文件的延迟公开以及彭博社随后的报道，才造成了“突发买入拉升股价”的错觉。 更令人猝不及防的是，在 Markiplier 发布该条赞助评测视频仅仅 5 天后，GoPro 突然宣布被控股公司 Starman Optical 提出并购。根据交易方案，Starman 拟支付 2.85 亿美元现金，清偿 GoPro 的债务，而原有股东将保留合并后新实体 10% 的股权。Starman 是一家消费电子与光学控股集团，旗下还拥有 Incase、Incipio 和 Griffin 等知名数码配件品牌，业务覆盖从手机壳到各类 USB-C 充电头。GoPro 无论在供应链、分销渠道还是市场推广战略上，都与该集团现有生态高度契合。然而，Starman 之所以急于保留 GoPro 在纳斯达克的上市地位，本质上相当于完成了一次低成本的反向借壳上市（类似借壳借道进入公开资本市场）。 与收购案一同浮出水面的，还有极其微妙的“AI 包袱”。市场盛传“GoPro 将转型做 AI”，但实情是 Starman 旗下的光子学独立部门（Photonics Division）正致力于为 AI 数据中心开发高速光互连网络设备。Markiplier 在随后的直播中公开表达了反感，明确声明自己不仅在政治和理念上“反对无节制扩张的 AI 及数据中心”，而且对这起收购宣布的时机感到极度沮丧。他本意是押注相机硬件来扶持下一代青年电影人，却意外被卷入了上市资本运作与 AI 基础设施的舆论漩涡。即便如此，资本市场依旧对其并购与壳资源反响热烈，GoPro 股价在消息传出后单日暴涨超过 33%。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: GoPro与Starman收购流程及业务架构 accDescr: 展示Markiplier投资GoPro到Starman Optical发起并购并保留纳斯达克交易代码的商业流向 subgraph Creators["创作者与产品层面"] A["Markiplier 执导《铁肺》"] --> B["发现 Mission One Pro 可换镜头优势"] B --> C["自掏约 1200 万美元买入 8% GoPro 股票"] C --> D["发布高赞誉商业评测视频"] end subgraph Merger["资本运作与收购流程"] E["Starman Optical 控股集团"] -->|2.85 亿美元现金 + 清偿债务| F["并购 GoPro (原股东留存 10% 股权)"] F --> G["保留纳斯达克公开交易代码 (类似反向借壳)"] end subgraph Segments["集团业务分部"] E --> H["数码配件板块 (Incase / Incipio / Griffin)"] E --> I["光子学部门 (AI 数据中心高速光互连)"] end D -.->|评测发布 5 天后| F I -.->|带来 AI 争议引发反感| C ``` --- ### [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) 信息茧房与荒谬现实：Google AI 概览沦为诈骗幌子 随后节目切入互联网时间线日常趣事与荒唐新闻盘点。主持人首先分享了几条推特名言，比如“行动中的笨蛋永远比静止的天才走得更远（An idiot in motion will go farther than a genius at rest）”，感叹有时候像金毛寻回犬一样不管不顾地去执行反而更有成效；另一句令人啼笑皆非的“董事会成员新金句”则是“我训练时宛如从未赢过，我竞争时宛如从未输过”。 紧接着，主持人重点聚焦了近期在社交网络上引发热议的“假冒旧金山 49 人队（49ers）外接手”欺诈闹剧——一名自称 Dejon Love 的男子通过伪造 NFL 职业运动员身份四处行骗。这一事件中最为讽刺的技术核心在于 Google 的 AI 概览功能（Google AI Overviews）。这位骗子在现实中四处虚张声势（真人角色扮演），而 Google 的生成式 AI 搜索引擎竟直接把网上流传的虚假自夸信息抓取并合成为权威事实，在搜索结果摘要中赫然确认“Dejon Love 确为 49 人队外接手”。 骗子随后直接将该 Google AI 摘要截图作为自己的“官方身份证明”，向外界炫耀：“看，这是 Google 说的，可不是我自己编的！”更滑稽的是，最初围观的网友还以为是他用图像软件篡改伪造了截图，结果亲自搜索后发现，Google 的 AI 概览竟然真的在信誓旦旦地为这个凭空捏造的职业球员背书，展现了当今大模型检索生成机制在权威事实校验上面临的巨大荒谬与漏洞。 ### [18:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1097s) 假冒旧金山49人队球员：荒唐的“杀猪盘”与流媒体即时纪录片 主播们谈及一则令人啼笑皆非的离奇诈骗案。联邦调查局（FBI）指控一名35岁男子假冒NFL旧金山49人队（San Francisco 49ers）现役球员，通过恋爱与投资骗局从26名女性手中诈骗了超过130万美元。为了伪造这套身份，该男子下足了功夫：不仅拥有假造的49人队职业生涯履历、假Instagram主页、伪造的银行流水和豪车，甚至在社交账号上煞有介事地发布了所谓的“自由球员第一年集锦”和“超级碗高光集锦”。最滑稽的细节是他整天走到哪儿都戴着橄榄球头盔，连去超市购物也不摘下，如今连真正的NFL职业球员都在网上把这当梗模仿，戴着真头盔去逛街。 荒谬之处还在于他留下了大量自证谎言的视频证据。比如他吹嘘拥有的庞大房地产组合，夸张到只有NFL名人堂级别的巨星才可能负担得起；他还编造家庭背景，声称父母来自瑞士、家境极其优渥，甚至宣称家里拥有“位于萨克斯第五大道（Saks Fifth Avenue）上的Gucci门店”——但这明显是个常识漏洞，因为萨克斯第五大道本身就是一家百货商店而非地理街道，而且奢饰品专卖店根本不可能由个人散户担任控股股东。 谈及案件的戏剧性，主播们联想到Netflix近来推出的一种名为“即时纪录片”（Instadocs）的极速制作模式： - Netflix能够以惊人的速度将突发新闻制作成纪录片。例如最近发生在土耳其总统出访期间使用诱饵飞机（decoy plane）秘密换机的事件，上个月才发生，周五就已上线开播。 - 主播指出纪录片制作的核心往往只是敲定几场坐席访谈、架设标志性的“Netflix光效”。AI在其中的应用并非直接生成内容，而是进行精准转录，帮助剪辑师快速梳理声音素材（sound bites），并按剧本结构标记归类。 - 网友Bobby Chipman在直播间调侃：“不过话说回来，他跑路线（route running）的技术确实挺顶级的！”但实际上眼尖的观众早就发现了破绽，在视频里他跑战术路线时甚至差点自己把自己绊倒，根本不可能具备职业运动员的身体素质。 --- ### [21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1293s) 洛杉矶Erewhon超市、真假“十亿富豪”之争与库克的高管薪酬 节目插播了一条洛杉矶高端有机超市Erewhon的趣闻：Erewhon正在千橡市（Thousand Oaks）筹建第18家门店，而根据联邦法律规定，一旦连锁规模达到20家，就必须在菜单上强制标注卡路里信息。网友Leo对此调侃道：“我们距离南加州爆发大规模暴乱，就差最后两家Erewhon了。” 随后主播将视线转向知名律师事务所Morgan & Morgan的创始人、亿万富翁约翰·摩根（John Morgan）在播客《The Iced Coffee Hour》上的言论。摩根在节目中对科技圈动辄自称“十亿富豪”的AI创始人冷嘲热讽，抛出了极其苛刻的定义：“如果银行账户里没有实打实的10亿美元真金白银，我就不认为他是十亿富豪。” - 摩根声称全美真正拥有10亿美元现金流动性的人可能只有20个左右。 - 主播们对此展开讨论，指出“棒约翰”（Papa John's）创始人约翰·施纳特（John Schnatter）曾表示自己套现12亿美元后，将其中10亿美元买入了股息率5%的收息股，但严格按摩根的纯现金标准甚至都不算。 - 科技上市公司创始人（如赛富时Salesforce首席执行官马克·贝尼奥夫 Marc Benioff）虽然拥有巨额股票且每天按预设日程减持，但受限于SEC规则并不能随时全额变现。 接着话题转向苹果公司（Apple）的高管薪酬变动。网络评论员Chase嘲讽道：“拿学位、找办公室工作、爬企业晋升梯子、65岁退休——恭喜蒂姆·库克，你完全按照体制的要求行事，而不是自己去创业。”库克现年65岁，转任执行董事长（Executive Chairman）后的新薪酬方案为每年4700万美元，不仅工作强度降低，时间也更自由。相比之下，接班呼声极高的约翰·特纳斯（John Ternus）薪酬明显偏低，全美大约有35名职业运动员明年的收入都将超过特纳斯，不过主播们认为作为起步这很合理，期待他未来能将业绩和待遇放大十倍甚至百倍。 --- ### [24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1454s) SpaceX入局动力涡轮机铸造：冲击寡头垄断与AI电力瓶颈 《华尔街日报》（The Wall Street Journal）近期刊文，对埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk）计划制造动力涡轮机核心部件的消息表示怀疑，认为这一领域极难跨越。但主播们笑称，马斯克向来以“每天咀嚼玻璃”（chews glass daily）般的硬核作风著称，迎难而上就是他的招牌。马斯克在社交平台X上正式确认，SpaceX将自主生产天然气动力涡轮机所需的关键叶片（blades）和导向叶片（vanes），以解决制约AI数据中心扩张的电力瓶颈。 马斯克在回应科技媒体《The Information》的报道时强调：“通过在SpaceX内部进行铸造，我们可以将天然气涡轮机并网发电的时间缩短多达18个月，这是一个极其重大的转折点（game changer）。”此前摩根士丹利（Morgan Stanley）就曾根据招聘信息披露，SpaceX正计划在德克萨斯州巴斯特罗普（Bastrop）建立专门的铸造厂。 涡轮机叶片市场长期处于高度集中的寡头垄断状态，制造技术壁垒极高，该消息直接震动了资本市场： ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 动力涡轮机关键部件市场格局与SpaceX冲击 accDescr: 展示涡轮机叶片供应链的现有寡头企业、估值倍数以及SpaceX自研铸造带来的直接影响 subgraph Oligopoly["现有核心玩家 (高估值卖水人)"] HWM["Howmet Aerospace (豪美新材)<br/>• 占据天然气涡轮机约50%全球份额<br/>• 业务多元化 (燃气轮机仅占11%营收)<br/>• 42倍远期市盈率"] PCC["Precision Castparts (伯克希尔哈撒韦旗下)<br/>• 航空航天与能源领域传统巨头"] DBC["Doncasters / 小型专精玩家 (DBC)<br/>• 40%营收依赖燃气轮机<br/>• 45倍远期市盈率 (最易受冲击)"] end subgraph Downstream["下游整机与客户"] TurbineMakers["涡轮机整机制造商<br/>• GE Vernova (33倍PE)<br/>• Caterpillar (26倍PE)"] DataCenters["AI数据中心 (电力极端渴求)"] end subgraph SpaceXEntry["SpaceX 垂直整合破局"] Foundry["德州Bastrop铸造厂<br/>自研镍基单晶超合金真空铸造"] end Foundry -.->|"缩短交付周期多达18个月"| DataCenters Foundry -->|"自造叶片与导叶，冲击溢价"| Oligopoly Oligopoly --> TurbineMakers --> DataCenters ``` - **市场估值与冲击**：动力涡轮机零部件制造商被称为AI淘金热中最昂贵的“铁锹股”。Howmet Aerospace和DPC的远期市盈率分别高达42倍和44至45倍，甚至远高于涡轮机整机厂商GE Vernova（33倍）和卡特彼勒 Caterpillar（26倍）。周一Howmet股价应声下跌超7%，而业务占比中有40%来自天然气涡轮机的小型厂商DPC抗风险能力最弱。 - **极端严苛的技术壁垒**：涡轮叶片必须在极高温度和高速旋转下运行。据SemiAnalysis分析师Nigel Chong介绍，其制造工艺要求极高，每生产一片都需要从头制作蜡模，且必须在真空炉中生长为单晶镍基高温合金（single crystal of nickel super alloy）。哪怕出现一粒杂乱晶粒或发丝级别的缺陷，整件产品就必须报废；新生产线的报废率可能会长期超过50%，良品率爬坡极其艰难。但这恰恰契合SpaceX在火箭发动机冶金与制造上的核心技术底蕴。 ### [27:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1666s) 豪梅特航空的高壁垒与 SpaceX 进军燃气轮机内部自研 探讨延续了工业燃气轮机制造的极高护城河。像豪梅特航空（Howmet Aerospace）这类行业巨头，其制造工艺极度保密且排他。一旦核心叶片与导向叶片部件铸造完成，生产过程中使用的陶瓷型芯与蜡模都会被彻底销毁。豪梅特首席执行官约翰·普兰特（John Plant）在年初的投资者会议上公开表示："我们不会被偷师，放心吧，我们稳得很。我们销毁了所有可能让别人仿制我们的痕迹。" 这种物理层面的彻底销毁，直接切断了任何竞品通过逆向工程进行仿造的可能。受能源转型与电力需求驱动，豪梅特来自工业燃气轮机的年营收呈现出近乎指数级暴增的迅猛态势，未来预测图表一路向上飙升。 针对市场传闻 SpaceX 进军燃气轮机领域的动向，摩根士丹利（Morgan Stanley）发布的研报指出，即使 SpaceX 在起步阶段面临较高的报废率（scrap rate），只要这些高精密部件是自产自销，高损耗就不是致命问题。分析师明确预计，SpaceX 不会成为向外部市场公开供应叶片与导流叶片的材料供应商，其所有产能都将用于自身的内部项目。 - **工艺防盗防线**：豪梅特航空通过销毁每一次铸造用蜡模和陶瓷芯，彻底杜绝逆向工程。 - **市场预期定位**：SpaceX 制造轮机叶片仅服务于自身战略生态，绝非对外销售的传统零部件供应商。 ### [28:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1718s) 马士基安装巨型旋翼帆与马格努斯效应 话题顺理成章转向重工业领域的另一项黑科技——航运业的风力辅助推进。《金融时报》（Financial Times）近日报道，全球航运巨头马士基（Maersk）计划在其集装箱货轮上安装风力风帆。初看货轮效果图时，普通人往往会大吃一惊甚至产生误解：甲板上立着一根高耸粗壮的巨柱，看起来活像个大烟囱，根本找不到传统意义上的白帆。 事实上，这种圆柱形结构被称为“旋翼帆”（Rotor Sail），是一种依靠流体力学而非传统迎风受力的推进系统。为了拆解其原理，主播播放了制造该设备的芬兰公司 Norsepower 的科普短片。正如运动场上棒球或足球的香蕉球与弧线球一样，旋转的球体在一侧压缩空气、在另一侧使空气变稀薄，两侧形成的压力差便产生了改变轨迹的侧向推力——这在物理学上被称为马格努斯效应（Magnus Effect）。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 旋翼帆马格努斯效应工作原理 accDescr: 展现电动机驱动圆柱旋转后利用气流压差产生推力的过程 subgraph PowerSystem ["驱动与旋转"] A["船载电动机主动驱动"] --> B["巨型圆柱形旋翼帆高速旋转"] end subgraph MagnusEffect ["气流相互作用 (马格努斯效应)"] B --> C["一侧气流加速并压缩"] B --> D["另一侧气流减速并变稀薄"] C & D --> E["两侧形成显著横向压力差"] end subgraph Propulsion ["推进效果"] E --> F["产生前向垂直推力"] F --> G["极端理想海况下推力甚至超过船舶主机"] end ``` 许多人常误以为旋翼帆是被海风吹得旋转，但真实情况是它由船上的电动机主动驱动旋转。视频播放期间，直播间观众还在弹幕中开玩笑互动。短片指出，在海况极佳的风力条件下，Norsepower 旋翼帆所产生的推进力甚至能超越货船的主发动机，为跨洋航行大幅节省燃油并降低碳排放。 节目的尾声，主播们分享了一张私人双体船（Catamaran）加装小型旋翼帆的照片，调侃这绝对是划算的好货。团队成员泰勒（Tyler）最近正在周边码头四处考察，甚至动了买下它搬去船上生活的念头。最后，主播向观众道别，提醒大家第二天早晨 11 点整准时锁定 TBPN 直播。 ## Notable quotes > [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1s) 准备好学‘Neuralese’吧，兄弟。 — Tyler > [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1s) 我希望能阻止一场由混乱报道引发的‘不可监测性竞赛’。 — Jakub Pachocki > [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) 行动中的笨蛋永远比静止的天才走得更远 > [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) 我训练时宛如从未赢过，我竞争时宛如从未输过 > [16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1005s) 看，这是 Google 说的，可不是我自己编的！ — Dejon Love > [18:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1097s) 不过话说回来，他跑路线（route running）的技术确实挺顶级的！ — Bobby Chipman > [21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1293s) 我们距离南加州爆发大规模暴乱，就差最后两家Erewhon了。 — Leo > [21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1293s) 如果银行账户里没有实打实的10亿美元真金白银，我就不认为他是十亿富豪。 — John Morgan > [21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1293s) 拿学位、找办公室工作、爬企业晋升梯子、65岁退休——恭喜蒂姆·库克，你完全按照体制的要求行事，而不是自己去创业。 — Chase > [24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1454s) 通过在SpaceX内部进行铸造，我们可以将天然气涡轮机并网发电的时间缩短多达18个月，这是一个极其重大的转折点 — Elon Musk > [27:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwdGUtPGtI&t=1666s) 我们不会被偷师，放心吧，我们稳得很。我们销毁了所有可能让别人仿制我们的痕迹。 — John Plant ## Mentioned OpenAI, Looped Transformers (循环 Transformer), Neuralese, The Information, Amir Efrati, Jakub Pachocki, Joshua Achiam, Dean Ball, Ilya Sutskever, SSI, Falcon, CrowdStrike, Markiplier (Mark Fischbach), GoPro, Mission One Pro, 《铁肺》(Iron Lung), Nick Woodman, Starman Optical, Hunter Weiss, Google AI Overviews, Dejon Love, 旧金山49人队 (San Francisco 49ers), FBI, Netflix, Erewhon, John Morgan, The Iced Coffee Hour, John Schnatter, Tim Cook, John Ternus, Elon Musk, SpaceX, Howmet Aerospace (豪美新材), Precision Castparts, Doncasters, GE Vernova, Caterpillar, SemiAnalysis, Nigel Chong, John Plant, Maersk (马士基), Norsepower, 旋翼帆 (Rotor Sail) ## Video description Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com Diet TBPN delivers the best of today’s TBPN episode in 30 minutes. 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[0:01] Tyler: 准备好学‘Neuralese’吧，兄弟。 [0:01] Jakub Pachocki: 我希望能阻止一场由混乱报道引发的‘不可监测性竞赛’。 [16:45] 行动中的笨蛋永远比静止的天才走得更远 [16:45] 我训练时宛如从未赢过，我竞争时宛如从未输过 [16:45] Dejon Love: 看，这是 Google 说的，可不是我自己编的！ [18:17] Bobby Chipman: 不过话说回来，他跑路线（route running）的技术确实挺顶级的！ [21:33] Leo: 我们距离南加州爆发大规模暴乱，就差最后两家Erewhon了。 [21:33] John Morgan: 如果银行账户里没有实打实的10亿美元真金白银，我就不认为他是十亿富豪。 [21:33] Chase: 拿学位、找办公室工作、爬企业晋升梯子、65岁退休——恭喜蒂姆·库克，你完全按照体制的要求行事，而不是自己去创业。 [24:14] Elon Musk: 通过在SpaceX内部进行铸造，我们可以将天然气涡轮机并网发电的时间缩短多达18个月，这是一个极其重大的转折点 [27:46] John Plant: 我们不会被偷师，放心吧，我们稳得很。我们销毁了所有可能让别人仿制我们的痕迹。

The New York Times: Silicon Valley’s newest obsession [21:33] John Morgan: a real billionaire [21:33] climb the corporate ladder and retire at 65 [16:45] Instadocs [7:15] The Dachshund Community [0:01] Neuralese [0:01] looped transformers [0:01] race to the bottom [7:15] neoclouds [28:29] rotor sails

[0:01] We have a lot of news to cover. We [0:03] barely covered the news yesterday. We [0:06] talked about Markiplier a little bit. I [0:07] dug way deeper. Got more into that [0:09] story. But first, uh, let's talk about [0:11] another AI safety kurfuffle that's hit [0:14] the timeline. Uh, yesterday, Amir over [0:17] at the information reported that OpenAI [0:18] is quietly quote quietly using loop [0:21] transformers that don't show the model's [0:23] thinking when scaled up, but they make [0:25] the model more efficient. This is also [0:27] referred to neural. Tyler, you had a [0:29] take on this, right? [0:30] >> Uh, I mean, [0:31] >> get ready to learn Nurles, buddy. [0:32] >> Get ready to learn Nurles. So, so Nurles [0:35] for like context is like the basically [0:37] it's like the raw vectors. It's not like [0:38] >> Oh. Oh. Oh. It's not like clawedish. [0:41] It's not like where the the text [0:43] degrades like when you look at the the [0:45] reasoning chains in the hugging face [0:46] attack. It feels like they're they're [0:48] speaking less and less English. Like [0:50] they're starting to speak like a a [0:53] dialect of English that's a little bit [0:55] messier. this is not intelligible to [0:58] >> I believe most people when they say [0:59] neries they're referring to like actual [1:01] >> okay just passing raw [1:02] >> vectors and and what [1:04] >> and you need to use some sort of like [1:05] interpretability to understand [1:06] >> yeah yeah the thing that I want to [1:08] understand is like usually these models [1:09] are trained so that they're changing [1:11] weights into text at some point so [1:14] they're pretty good at translation can't [1:16] we just build a translator that [1:18] translates snurles into English [1:21] >> yeah but the the whole point is like [1:22] when you take a vector turn into like [1:24] one single token you're losing a lot of [1:25] information that might be hidden in like [1:27] the the long tail. So if you're worried [1:30] about safety, right? Even if 80% of the [1:32] you can kind of figure out what 80% of [1:34] the the raw vector means, 20% might have [1:36] some dangerous thing. [1:37] >> Yeah. [1:37] >> Whatever that that's like the [1:38] interpability. [1:39] >> Yeah. There might be like sarcasm hidden [1:41] in the vectors doesn't make it through [1:43] to the actual tokens and you realize [1:45] that the AI was joking when it was [1:48] saying, "I won't turn you into a [1:49] paperclip." Wink wink. You got to watch [1:52] out for that. So, uh, what else did the [1:54] information say? They said, "Being able [1:56] to monitor a model's chain of thought [1:58] can provide both quote, "An early [2:00] warning system for various forms of [2:03] misalignment, deception, manipulation, [2:05] going after an goal, and insight into an [2:09] AI's action after the fact." So, some [2:11] reporting quickly set off a broad wave [2:13] of anxiety among the AI safety camp. [2:16] Their chief concerns being one not being [2:18] able to monitor chain of thought t makes [2:21] AI less safe and two by using neuroles [2:24] and thus abandoning chain of thought [2:25] openi starts a race to the bottom among [2:27] frontier labs everyone's got to use it [2:29] to stay ahead so everyone winds up [2:31] adopting the dangerous technique where [2:33] others were also abandoned chain of [2:34] thought for the benefit of efficiency [2:36] thus making all frontier AI less safe [2:38] that was the accusation but openai's [2:40] research director Jacob Pachki responded [2:43] to all this he said I want to prevent a [2:45] race to unmoniability kicked off by [2:48] confused reporting. He says, "The [2:49] reporting is confused." There's a little [2:51] more nuance here. He said, "OpenAI has [2:53] worked to preserve and utilize chain of [2:56] thought monitoring since our very first [2:58] reasoning models. We deeply care about [2:59] this technique as it can give us a view [3:02] into how model alignment generalizes [3:04] from its training distribution." What is [3:07] going on over there? [3:09] >> Chad is saying, "Gabe said, "Did Tyler [3:12] go to Sport Clip? What is this cut?" Oh, [3:16] we have an answer. [3:17] >> Chill. [3:18] >> We have an answer for why. [3:19] >> Show them the Why don't you show them [3:20] the answer to [3:21] >> Oh, you want to show the answer? [3:22] >> Yeah, I want to show the answer. [3:23] >> The reason that Tyler tussle No, he [3:26] doesn't need to put it on. [3:27] >> Go away for a second and come back and [3:29] show that. [3:30] >> No, no, no. You don't want to You don't [3:31] want to give too much of it away because [3:33] we might do a real stunt with it. But [3:35] there were some prosthetics, some [3:37] Hollywood magic in the studio this [3:39] morning. Uh, it messed up my hair a [3:41] little bit. It messed up Tyler's hair a [3:42] little bit. not ready for prime time, [3:45] but we're playing around with it. So, [3:47] um, let's go back to the actual news. I [3:49] do think it is a fragile and [3:51] unfortunately trending in the negative [3:53] direction for reasons not contingent on [3:55] architecture changes that I will write [3:57] about soon, but there are things we can [3:58] do to strengthen it and it's a core goal [4:00] of our current research program. In [4:01] other words, Jacob is saying that the [4:03] information's reporting is inaccurate, [4:04] but that the state of chain of thought [4:06] monitoring is not that great and in [4:08] fact, it is getting worse. And we were [4:10] talking a lot about this yesterday at [4:12] Valcon with Crowd Strike and how do you [4:14] monitor the agent state that might [4:16] emerge if a civilization emerges and [4:18] starts doing weird things? How are you [4:20] monitoring every step in the chain? [4:22] >> Seems very obvious. So that that uh [4:24] there's going to need to be a lot more [4:26] done than just like an obsession with [4:28] chain of thought, right? Because if you [4:29] have highly competent agents streaming [4:32] at tens of thousands of tokens a second [4:35] and they're copy and copy and pasting [4:37] themselves infinite times, right? Sure. [4:40] Like are you really going to be able to [4:42] just kind of read through the logs and [4:44] be like, are they are they messing with [4:45] us? Are we good messing with us? Yeah. [4:47] The interesting thing about the hugging [4:48] face is like it keeps going back to uh [4:51] the secret message board. And I'm and [4:53] I'm just surprised that there's not just [4:55] a public message board for agents that [4:58] are working together. Like when you [5:00] imagine a country of geniuses in a data [5:02] center, you would hope that the country [5:03] of geniuses can collaborate on things [5:05] and work together. But I guess that's [5:07] not exactly how things were designed. [5:08] >> I mean I mean in that case it was never [5:10] supposed to be able to access any like [5:12] anything on the on the on the web, [5:14] right? [5:14] >> Yeah. But you would think that uh that [5:17] collaboration between sub aents would [5:19] actually be uh like a core way to get [5:22] better results just like okay we're [5:24] going to send off you know a thousand [5:26] agents over here. They're going to talk [5:27] to each other while they work and that's [5:29] fine. They don't need to set up this [5:30] like phantom me message board this [5:32] hidden message board to communicate [5:33] because we just actually gave them [5:35] Slack, right? Something like that. you'd [5:38] think that that would actually improve [5:40] uh just improve the quality of the work [5:42] and then of course you could monitor it [5:44] as well but instead you wind up with [5:45] this they wanted to talk to each other [5:47] so then they set up this fake message [5:48] board very very odd scenario instead of [5:50] just giving them the the the approved [5:52] way to do it anyway uh former OpenAI [5:54] staffer Joshua Akim said made an [5:57] additional point here coordinating [5:58] everyone around a technique this brittle [6:00] is as is about as bad a safety or [6:03] strategy posture I could imagine it's [6:05] not just quote it will break eventually. [6:08] It's this is a fundamentally unsound [6:11] basis for safety. Dean Ball also chimed [6:13] in. He said, "We are now adjudicating [6:15] technically complex and nuanced claims [6:17] on the timeline with almost no ground [6:19] truth information about what is actually [6:21] happening. Communities form these [6:23] thought terminating taboss as run says [6:26] and then panic at everything that [6:28] vaguely resembles them and the trust [6:30] eroding reality of social media makes [6:32] the timeline an especially difficult [6:34] place to do this adjudication. Uh it is [6:37] frankly insane and crazymaking and [6:38] grading for everyone involved. It would [6:40] be like if we argued about what every [6:43] publicly traded company's financials [6:45] were by posting hyperventilating [6:47] hyperventilating on the timeline rather [6:50] than relying on the institution of [6:52] auditing and the audited financial [6:54] statements that institution produces. To [6:56] sum it up, if you're in the AI safety [6:58] camp, you're worried that OpenAI is [7:00] abandoning a technique for making AI [7:02] safety uh safer and that other frontier [7:04] labs will now follow suit. If you're [7:06] skeptical of the AI safety camp, the [7:08] information reporting is inaccurate. The [7:10] AI safety camp is unnecessarily [7:11] panicking and OpenAI is doing the best [7:12] it can. So, little bit of back and forth [7:14] on the timeline. [7:15] >> Well, IA hit the timeline yesterday. [7:17] Yes. [7:17] >> That neoclouds have limited cyber [7:19] security. Next time agents successfully [7:21] go rogue, they'll try taking over a [7:23] neocloud to run more copies. This is [7:25] bad. Thus, Neocloud should greatly [7:27] strengthen their cyber security and [7:29] every company with strong cyber model [7:32] should help with that. [7:32] >> That's a good point. Click on Ilia's [7:34] profile. [7:36] Then click on [7:38] who he follows. [7:41] Who does he follow? He follows OpenAI's [7:43] former employer, SSI. And what's that [7:45] one in the middle? The Dachon community. [7:47] >> Let's go. [7:48] >> My guy loves dogs. Look at this. This is [7:51] of the three accounts. the the first [7:54] company, the second company, nobody [7:57] else. [7:57] >> The most important account. [7:58] >> Scroll through. Scroll this. Scroll this [8:00] timeline. This might be one of the best [8:01] accounts on X. He is having the best [8:05] experience on the timeline. There's no [8:08] craziness. He's just scrolling this [8:10] looking at beautiful dog photos and uh [8:12] important updates from OpenAI and SSI, [8:15] the companies been involved with for [8:17] decades. [8:18] >> Great. We can head over to Markiplier, [8:20] but first little countdown here. Uh we [8:22] up on the screen you'll see [8:24] >> Oh, you put it up. [8:26] >> TVPN's road to Christmas. The road to [8:28] Christmas starts today. [8:29] >> Starts today. [8:30] >> 113 days. [8:32] >> It's only 113 days. [8:33] >> Yeah. [8:34] >> Wow. Start shopping. [8:36] >> 113 [8:38] days. [8:38] >> Okay. [8:39] >> Uh it's going to go by quick. [8:40] >> It will. [8:41] >> Uh and I want to cherish cherish the [8:44] road, right? It's about it's about the [8:45] journey. It's not just about the [8:46] destination. Obviously, things won't get [8:49] too Christmassy around here. [8:52] until things won't get too Christmassy [8:54] around here. [8:55] >> One's a hat on the screen. [9:00] >> Won't get too Christmassy around here [9:01] until December 1st, but uh you'll [9:03] probably see [9:05] >> certain elements coming in prior to then [9:07] starting with our countdown. So, we'll [9:10] leave this. [9:11] >> You know what? A great Christmas present [9:12] is a GoPro. Specifically, the Mission [9:15] One Pro, the hottest new product from [9:17] GoPro. Rave review from Markiplier. Yes, [9:20] he was paid to post it. Yes, he owned [9:22] it. [9:23] >> Yes, [9:24] >> he's the largest shareholder [9:27] shareholder. But but here's the hot [9:29] thing. I believe that he I believe that [9:31] this started with Markiplier being [9:33] actually bullish on GoPro. So I think [9:35] there there's a lot of confusion about [9:36] this. We both of us were confused when [9:38] we first talked about this, but it's [9:39] actually a very clear linear story and [9:41] it makes a lot of sense if you go [9:42] through it. Mark Fishbach, he goes by [9:44] Markiplier online. Uh YouTube legend, [9:46] also Hollywood uh blockbuster producer [9:50] now or director, filmmaker, recently [9:52] made a massively successful movie after [9:54] an equally successful but much lengthier [9:56] journey on YouTube. Uh we talked about [9:58] Iron Lung, his movie uh as part of the [10:01] breakout YouTube to Hollywood pipeline [10:04] uh that happened over the summer. Uh [10:06] while filming Iron Lung, Mark became [10:10] interested in GoPro's newest camera, the [10:12] Mission One Pro. So Mission One Pro, [10:14] GoPro body, interchangeable lens mount. [10:17] So you can go take an old lens from a [10:20] Leica or, you know, a Cook S1 if you [10:23] want. You can adapt anything on there [10:25] and you can get all the image texture [10:28] that comes from the glass into the [10:30] sensor. Yes, it's a smaller body, much [10:32] cheaper, but you're getting the the the [10:34] flavor of that lens. Maybe someone on [10:35] the production team can give us a little [10:38] 101 on what matters more, the sensor or [10:40] the lens. [10:41] >> The lens. [10:41] >> The lens. Yeah, the lens is important, [10:43] right guys? Um and and and so GoPro sort [10:47] of unlocked this ability and at [10:50] incredible cost or incredibly low cost. [10:52] So he put his favorite lenses on the [10:54] camera, realized that you can get a [10:55] cinema level output for $700 instead of [10:58] the usual $7,000. He was comparing it to [11:01] a RED system that he loves and he uses [11:03] and he owns. But uh but he was just [11:05] saying like it's cheaper to buy this [11:08] GoPro than rent the cinema camera for a [11:11] single day because a lot of these cinema [11:13] camera when they rent it's might be 800 [11:15] bucks for the day. Uh and you can just [11:16] buy this system. And so I think he's [11:18] looking out and saying the next [11:20] generation of YouTube to filmmaker [11:22] pipeline, they're not going to have the [11:24] balance sheet that I have because he I [11:26] mean the reported earnings are like [11:27] >> he's one of the largest shareholders of [11:29] Go, [11:29] >> but the reason he is is because uh like [11:32] Forbes estimated his creator earnings [11:34] prior to Iron Long at like 30 million a [11:36] year. So he's been making a lot of [11:37] money. So, he can go and spend $7,000 on [11:40] a on a cinema camera rig, but he knows [11:42] that there are smaller creators that are [11:44] going to try and break into more [11:46] cinematic productions and GoPro might be [11:49] the right tool for them. Good content, [11:51] product sponsorship, market fit. And [11:53] then, of course, he also uh bought the [11:55] stock. So, uh his enthusiasm for the [11:58] product led him to start buying GoPro [12:00] stock. He spent estimates roughly 10 [12:03] to12 million for 8% of the company or [12:06] something like that. Obviously the [12:08] company's gone up in value since it was [12:09] a big bet but estimates put you know him [12:11] at 30 million annual earnings. And then [12:13] of course Iron Long did 51 million at [12:16] the box office on a budget of 3 million. [12:18] Probably gets a lot of cash flow from [12:20] that. Not to imply that he took home 48 [12:22] million but Iron Long is going to [12:23] continue to produce cash and you know [12:24] he's he's in a fine position to to make [12:26] a big bet on GoPro. The story gets weird [12:29] on August 27th because he posts this [12:31] extremely positive sponsored video uh [12:33] reviewing the Mission One Pro. It's a [12:35] great video, lots of interesting detail, [12:37] and he just has a great on camera [12:38] presence, very funny, uh lots of great [12:40] editing. But uh people were like, "Ah, [12:43] this is a little circular, like he's [12:44] getting a sponsorship for a company that [12:46] he owns 8.5% of the stock." But the [12:50] founder and chairman of and the CEO of [12:53] GoPro, Nick Woodman, is still in control [12:55] of the company and still has uh class B [12:58] shares or super voting shares. So [13:00] Markiplier Yeah. Isn't that crazy? He's [13:02] held on this whole time. So Markiplier [13:04] actually only uh controls 3% of the [13:07] company. He doesn't have board seed. [13:09] Like it's not like he's going to be [13:10] approving his own sponsorship contract. [13:12] Probably a completely separate [13:13] discussion. So not a big deal to me. And [13:16] honestly, um, knowing the sequence of [13:17] events now, it makes me believe his [13:20] review more because it's like he used [13:21] the product, then he bought the stock, [13:24] then he promoted it and reviewed it. And [13:26] this all just feels like a very natural [13:28] >> friend of the show, Hunter Weiss just [13:30] texted me and said, "You guys have story [13:32] wrong. He bought two months ago in the [13:34] SEC filing came out and then Bloomberg [13:36] Yeah. jued it in a live stream last [13:39] night. He has half a percent of voting [13:41] power." [13:41] >> Oh, wow. Yeah. So, so he bought and then [13:44] the SEC filing dropped which released [13:46] the actual news and then that timed up [13:49] in the news as like, oh, he bought 5 [13:51] days ago, but in fact he was buying over [13:53] the spring and the summer. I think it [13:54] was like a a stage investment. The [13:56] weirder thing is that GoPro just gets [13:58] bought 5 days after the sponsored video [14:00] and the company that bought them is [14:01] Starman Optical. They proposed this [14:04] merger that pays uh $285 million in [14:06] cash. I think it retires the debt. uh [14:08] and GoPro shareholders retain 10% of the [14:11] post-transaction company as well. So the [14:13] acquiring company Starman is a holding [14:16] company that's controlled by this uh [14:17] Tabel Tabili family, Tibel family uh and [14:21] sits within a broader holding company [14:22] that owns consumer accessory brands such [14:24] as in case and Cypio and Kipio and [14:27] Griffin. Uh they make everything from [14:29] like USBC charger bricks and phone cases [14:33] and you can see GoPro sort of fitting in [14:35] there in the electronics accessories. Uh [14:38] they're not in any of the huge [14:39] categories but it's all similar supply [14:42] chain, similar distribution, similar uh [14:44] go to market strategies across the [14:46] portfolio. And there's an AI side to the [14:48] story which is uh where things have [14:51] gotten sort of awkward because people [14:53] are like GoPro's pivoting to AI. That's [14:56] not really what's happening, I think. [14:57] So, Starman has a new photonix division [15:00] separate from GoPro. Of course, they [15:02] might move some GoPro people over there [15:04] at some point. They own everything. But, [15:06] uh, really the new photonics division is [15:08] focused on making high-speed optical [15:10] networking equipment for AI data [15:11] centers, which of course is like [15:13] controversial now. And now Markiplier [15:14] has to answer for all of the AI [15:17] community probably and has to deal with [15:18] this. Um, but [15:20] >> yeah, he apparently said in the stream [15:21] he is anti- data center and AI. [15:24] >> Yep. and uh is upset with the timing of [15:29] all this. [15:29] >> Yeah. Because I think he really just [15:30] liked this new camera and was like, I [15:32] think GoPro can make a run at like the [15:35] next generation Hollywood filmmaker, [15:37] which is being born on YouTube. That's [15:39] his core community. Let's stay focused [15:41] on that. And then Starman comes in and [15:43] says, "Oh, we're actually doing [15:44] something completely different." So [15:45] weird scenario that he just got sort of [15:47] roped into. It looks like what actually [15:49] happened is that Markiplier got excited [15:50] about GoPro, bought the stock, then did [15:52] a sponsored video to promote their new [15:53] camera, then got blindsided by the [15:55] acquisition, and now has to grapple with [15:56] some confusion about the corporate [15:57] structure and potential AI baggage. But [15:59] for Starman, it's an interesting flow [16:02] because they get this solid brand that [16:05] fits nicely within their portfolio and [16:07] maybe even more importantly, they get a [16:09] public listing on the NASDAQ. So, [16:10] they're keeping the listing, which [16:12] effectively gives them access to the [16:13] public markets in a more streamlined [16:15] way. It's kind of like a spa or like a [16:16] reverse merger. It's not technically [16:18] like that, but uh because they're [16:20] merging in a sub company, but in [16:23] general, they now have a NASDAQ ticker [16:25] and so that's something that you can do [16:28] uh and and is is a little bit like this. [16:30] >> Yeah. Originally, I was confused as to [16:32] why it was still trading if it was [16:34] >> they're planning to keep it trading [16:35] forever. [16:35] >> Yeah. [16:35] >> Because it will be the ticker for the [16:37] holding company. [16:38] >> And of course, uh stock is on a tear [16:41] today. Up 30%. [16:43] >> Mhm. [16:44] >> Uh 33%. [16:45] >> Mhm. Let's go through some random [16:47] timeline posts because we didn't get to [16:48] much yesterday. We didn't get to much [16:50] the day before even it was busy news [16:52] day. But uh what where do where do you [16:54] want to start the timeline? An idiot in [16:57] motion will go farther than a genius at [16:59] rest. That just feels like good wisdom. [17:01] I don't know the importance of just like [17:03] retition. Yeah, golden retriever mode to [17:05] some to some degree. Um new quote for [17:08] board members just dropped. I train like [17:11] I've never won and I compete like I've [17:13] never lost. Huh? On purpose with J [17:16] Shetty? I don't know. Uh what else? The [17:20] uh the uh you want to go through this uh [17:23] this NFL wide receiver Dejon Love. Is am [17:27] I right? [17:28] >> Yes. This was uh my favorite post out of [17:30] the whole Dejon Love cycle. Andrew Reed [17:33] saying wearing the Allen company Allen [17:35] and Company Sun Valley jacket I found on [17:38] eBay. [17:39] uh what actually so the thing that's [17:42] been missed is that I think this is a is [17:44] an AI story because part of how he was [17:47] proving that he was a player outside of [17:50] just [17:51] >> basically laring was he had uh somehow [17:54] the Google AI overviews had picked up [17:56] that he was saying that he was a 49ers [17:59] player. [17:59] >> Oh, interesting. [18:00] >> And so it was just assuming that that [18:02] was the truth. I saw him post a [18:04] screenshot of the Google AI over [18:06] >> in a video. He'd be like, "And that's [18:08] Google. That's not me." Yeah, that's [18:10] Google saying that. [18:11] >> Yeah, but I I thought he had doctorred [18:13] the Google AI overview and was just [18:16] sharing the screenshot. [18:17] >> That's possible, too. [18:19] >> There's so many layers. [18:21] >> But what did this guy actually do? In [18:22] case you missed the story, it's just [18:24] insane. Feds say a 35-year-old man faked [18:27] being a 49ers player and allegedly [18:29] scammed 26 mil uh 26 women out of more [18:32] than 1.3 million through romance and [18:34] investment schemes. He reportedly used [18:37] fake 49ers career, fake Instagram, fake [18:39] bank statements, luxury cars, dating [18:40] apps. His IG even had free agency year [18:43] one and Super Bowl highlights. He was [18:45] arrested at an airport with an alleged [18:47] accomplice. Bau really created an entire [18:49] NFL career. Uh yeah, walking around with [18:51] a helmet everywhere is very very funny. [18:53] going shopping and I think the uh aren't [18:55] the real NFL players now like memeing [18:57] this a little bit like they'll just go [18:59] shopping with their actual helmets to [19:01] like get out of [19:02] >> it. Everyone's having fun with it. [19:04] >> I think I think the funny thing is uh [19:06] how much video evidence he created of [19:08] him of himself like lying, right? And [19:10] they were and they were extremely [19:12] egregious. Like he had a more he he was [19:14] saying that he had like the kind of real [19:16] estate portfolio that you would only [19:19] have if you were like a Hall of Fame [19:21] level player, right? It wasn't just [19:23] like, "Oh, yeah. I have a nice house." [19:25] >> Well, wasn't he also creating a fake [19:27] backstory about saying like his parents [19:28] were from Switzerland and wealthy and [19:30] they own Gucci stores on Saks Fth [19:33] Avenue, which is a store, not a [19:34] location. And there were a bunch of [19:37] other like sort of red flags where I [19:38] think he said his family owns they're [19:40] the majority shareholder in individual [19:43] Gucci stores, which is not how that [19:46] works at all. Um, but uh, you know, [19:49] >> sounded sounded good. [19:51] >> It sounds pretty good. Sounds pretty [19:52] good. [19:52] >> Yeah. The the question is how quickly I [19:55] saw something recently Netflix is doing [19:58] these like Insta docks they're calling [20:00] them where they'll they'll make a [20:03] documentary like incredibly quickly [20:05] about a um [20:07] >> like a new story [20:08] >> about a news story. And the question is [20:10] like there's so much footage here. I bet [20:13] you I like a documentary will be made [20:16] from this. [20:17] >> Yeah. Why why can't it be fast? Why [20:18] can't it be on a YouTube sort of like [20:21] time scale? [20:21] >> For sure. For sure. A lot of like what [20:24] goes into uh what goes into documentary [20:26] production because I've done it is just [20:28] like scheduling some sitdown interviews. [20:30] You bring a team, you get the lighting [20:31] right. The Netflix lighting. [20:33] >> Yeah. So, one of the one of the [20:34] instadocs they made is about the decoy [20:37] plane. [20:38] >> I don't know anything about [20:38] >> details of a secret plane switch used [20:40] during a presidential trip from a native [20:42] that just happened in Turkey. Yeah. Like [20:45] >> coming out. This is coming out uh on [20:47] Friday. Right. a story from last month. [20:49] Okay. Getting released now. [20:50] >> Yeah. I mean, you don't even need AI for [20:52] a lot of this production. It's just [20:53] being really I mean, of course, AI could [20:56] help like with transcriptions. Like [20:57] there's a lot of like you go and do the [20:59] sitdown interview and then you just need [21:00] to reorganize all the different sound [21:03] bites and having a perfect transcription [21:05] being able to go through and highlight. [21:07] Okay, this is where the person talked [21:08] about the thing that happened in act [21:10] one. Let's put it in the right side. [21:12] What do you [21:12] >> Bobby Chipman says, yo, that route [21:14] running was elite though. A lot of [21:16] people were were were clocking. No, they [21:19] were they were clocking it. Uh they were [21:21] saying like, "How could you believe this [21:22] was a professional athlete?" Because he [21:24] was he was certainly running routes. I [21:26] don't uh in one of the routes he posted, [21:28] he almost fell over, too. [21:30] >> Yeah. I think he'd at least practice or [21:32] something. I don't know. [21:33] >> Interesting news out of Arowan. Awan uh [21:36] is uh on their 18th location. This is [21:39] over in Thousand Oaks. And at 20, [21:42] federal law will force them to start [21:44] posting calorie information. Leo says, [21:47] "We are two arowans away from mass [21:49] rioting across Southern California." Uh, [21:52] let's head over to billionaire John [21:54] Morgan who was on the ice coffee hour. [21:56] >> Morgan and Morgan [21:57] >> um seemingly [21:59] >> flexing [22:00] >> like throwing some shots at at AI AI [22:04] founders who who say they're [22:06] billionaires but not necessarily a [22:08] billionaire in his book. Let's see. [22:09] Let's see what he has. definition. [22:11] >> I don't consider anybody a billionaire [22:13] that don't have a real billion in the [22:14] bank. Guess how many people have a real [22:16] billion liquid. [22:17] >> I How many? [22:18] >> Well, we had Yeah, I don't know how [22:20] many. [22:20] >> Maybe 20. [22:22] >> Papa John was one of them. [22:23] >> He doesn't have No. [22:25] >> No. Said he put a billion. He sold for [22:28] 1.2 and he said he put a billion in [22:30] dividends. [22:31] >> Dividend stocks earning 5%. [22:34] >> That's what he told us. I think it's on [22:36] it's on the record. It's on video. [22:38] saying there's only only 20 people that [22:40] have a billion dollars of equity. [22:42] >> My financial statement's got every [22:44] dollar [22:45] >> I think I I do think saying like you [22:47] actually have to have it in cash like [22:49] you can't like it can't be earning a [22:51] meaning you you can't have it invested [22:53] at all. [22:53] >> I mean yeah if you just look at public [22:55] company founders who still own shares [22:58] that are liquid. I mean, maybe there's [23:00] regulations about when they can sell and [23:02] he doesn't count that as liquid because [23:04] if you have to file a certain form with [23:06] the SEC and sell on a schedule like, you [23:09] know, I don't know, like Ben off sells [23:10] on a on on a regular basis [23:12] >> daily, right? [23:13] >> I think daily. [23:15] >> A lot of commentary on uh the new pay [23:18] packages over at Apple. Chase said, "Get [23:21] a degree, get an office job, climb the [23:24] corporate ladder, retire at 65." [23:26] Congratulations, Tim. You did exactly [23:28] what the system told you to do instead [23:30] of starting your own business. [23:33] >> He is 65. [23:36] Yeah. [23:36] >> Well, his new pay package as executive [23:39] chairman feels a lot better to me. Yeah. [23:41] >> Than his CEO pay package. [23:42] >> A lot more flexibility. [23:43] >> 47 million a year. [23:45] >> Hopefully less work. He deserves a [23:47] little a little little a little time [23:48] away from the action. [23:49] >> But Turnis making less. [23:51] >> Turn making less. I found there's 35 [23:53] professional athletes that like roughly [23:56] that are going to be making more than [23:58] John Turnis next year. [23:59] >> Okay. [23:59] >> Um and uh anyways, I I I I feel like [24:03] it's a fair place for him to start. I [24:04] hope he can climb. I hope he can 10x it [24:06] and then maybe 10x it again, [24:09] >> personally. Um couple more orders of [24:12] magnitude would be great, but he's got [24:14] to prove himself. [24:14] >> Yeah, for sure. Elon is making power [24:17] turbine components in the Wall Street [24:19] Journal. Skeptical. probably say it [24:20] won't be easy. Uh everything [24:24] >> has he ever done anything easy? The guy [24:27] like he chews glass daily. That's his [24:30] whole stick is is just doing things that [24:32] seem impossible. Uh stocks of blade and [24:35] vein manufacturers fell in response, but [24:38] the threat to them is still remote. So [24:40] let's see what the Wall Street Journal [24:42] had to say. Only a few companies make [24:44] the cru crucial components for power [24:46] turbines that AI data centers are so [24:48] desperate to get. Elon Musk wants to go [24:51] ahead and make his own that has unnerved [24:54] investors in this prized oligopoly. [24:56] Okay, we're going to learn about the the [24:58] power turbine market for a minute. Uh [25:01] over the weekend, Musk confirmed on X [25:02] that SpaceX will start making blades and [25:04] veins that go into natural gas power [25:06] turbines. [25:07] >> I think big turbine wrote this article. [25:10] >> Yeah, you think it's a little uh uh [25:12] coordinated counter counter messaging? [25:15] >> Yeah, they were enjoying their [25:16] oligopoly. Yeah, maybe uh by doing [25:18] in-house casting at SpaceX, we can [25:21] accelerate natural gas turbines coming [25:23] align coming online by up to 18 months, [25:26] which is a profound gamecher, he wrote [25:28] in his post. Uh responding to a report [25:31] from the information. Uh interesting. In [25:33] mid August, Morgan Stanley published a [25:35] report saying that SpaceX was planning [25:36] such a foundry in Bastrip, Texas based [25:39] on the company's job postings. Shares of [25:42] Helmet Aerospace fell more than 7% [25:44] Monday before partially rebounding on [25:46] Tuesday. Helmet and Berkshire Hathaway's [25:49] precision cast parts are the two biggest [25:51] players in the market for these parts [25:52] which also include blades and veins for [25:54] the aerospace and defense sectors. [25:56] Smaller players DPC's shares were also [25:58] hit. Uh it is premature to scout to [26:00] count SpaceX as a threat, the Wall [26:02] Street Journal says, but shares of [26:03] helmet aerospace and DPC might have been [26:06] due for a breather. They are among the [26:09] priciest artificial intelligence picks [26:11] and shovels plays at 42 times and 44 45 [26:15] times forward earnings respectively. Uh [26:17] turbine makers GE Vernova and [26:19] Caterpillar Fetch 33 times and 26 times [26:23] earnings for perspective. Uh and there's [26:25] a nice chart there to show you the price [26:28] to earnings or price to forward earnings [26:30] ratios for some of the AI bottleneck [26:33] plays and uh and the the blade and vein [26:37] manufacturers are up in the upper [26:39] echelon. DBC is the most vulnerable to [26:42] disruption in this space. It is small [26:44] and about 40% of the revenue comes from [26:46] natural gas fired turbines. While Halmet [26:49] holds about half the global market share [26:50] of components used in natural gas [26:52] turbines, it is diversified across [26:54] aerospace and defense with only 11% [26:56] coming from gas turbines. SpaceX will [26:59] face barriers to entry. One reason there [27:01] are so few companies in the sector is [27:03] that it's technically challenging to [27:04] make the blades, which must withstand [27:06] extreme temperatures and rapid [27:08] rotations. That feels like SpaceX's [27:10] bread and butter, though. The casting [27:12] process makes a uh involves making a new [27:15] wax mold from scratch each time. Making [27:18] these parts requires the blade to be [27:21] grown in a vacuum furnace as a single [27:24] crystal of nickel super alloy. According [27:27] to Nigel Chong, an analyst at semi [27:29] analysis. Huh. Semi- analysis getting a [27:31] shout out in the Wall Street Journal. [27:32] Even a stray grain or hairline defect [27:35] means the part has to be scrapped. He [27:37] added, "A new manufacturing line could [27:39] scrap over half of its production for a [27:41] long period, so yield will be difficult [27:43] to get up." Uh, it is also a highly [27:46] secretive process. Once the parts are [27:47] produced, the ceramic cores and wax used [27:49] to make them are destroyed. Helmet's [27:51] chief executive, John Plant, said at an [27:53] investor meeting earlier this year. He [27:54] says, "We're not getting distilled. [27:56] Don't worry about it. We're good. We [27:58] destroy every evidence that would lead [28:02] someone to be able to copy us." That [28:04] prevents competitors from reverse [28:05] engineering them. Uh, so Helmet [28:07] Aerospace's annual revenue from [28:09] industrial gas turbines is up and to the [28:12] right with incredible forecasts and you [28:15] can see the chart taking off. They're [28:17] going exponential right now. Um, a high [28:20] scrap rate might make might matter less [28:22] if SpaceX is making parts for its own [28:24] use. Morgan Stanley's report noted that [28:26] we would not expect SpaceX to be a [28:28] material supplier of blades and veins [28:30] for supply outside of SpaceX use. So, [28:32] they're going to uh use everything [28:34] internally. Speaking of industrials, we [28:38] got to talk about uh rotor sales. [28:42] >> So, there was news in the financial [28:44] times that uh that Marque is going to [28:49] put a wind sail on their container ship. [28:52] And there's a very interesting it's a [28:54] very interesting design because I see [28:56] the image for the ship and I'm like, [28:59] >> "Looks like a smoke stack. [29:00] >> Where's the sail?" Yeah. It looks like a [29:02] smoke stack. Uh, and I'm like, "Okay, [29:04] does the sail come out of that big round [29:06] thing?" And no, it doesn't. That is [29:09] what's called a rotor sail, which [29:11] actually produces wind force and and [29:15] accelerates the vehicle uh without any [29:18] traditional sales. What you think? So, [29:19] there's an explainer video from Norse [29:21] Power, who makes these that we should [29:22] watch a little bit of uh we can we can [29:25] kick this off. Uh, it's a one minute [29:26] video, but we we we can watch a little [29:28] bit of this YouTube video uh on Noreps [29:31] rotor sales because it's a fascinating [29:33] world I didn't know existed. [29:35] >> And you need to know this. [29:37] >> How do Norepower rotor sails work? [29:39] >> You might be familiar with curve balls [29:41] in sports. [29:44] >> Oh, yeah. [29:44] >> What exactly causes the ball's path to [29:46] curve? [29:48] >> A spinning ball compresses air on one [29:50] side and thins it on the other. The [29:53] pressure difference causes a thrust that [29:56] curves the path. [29:57] >> If you work in north power, a rotor sail [29:59] is a large cylindrical sail. A common [30:02] misconception is that wind spins it. [30:05] Instead, it is rotated actively by an [30:08] electric motor. The spinning sail [30:11] compresses air on Jasper in the chat [30:12] says, "Shut up." Spins it on the front. [30:14] >> I'm from the founding town in Denmark. [30:16] Don't believe in the sustain. [30:21] Thrust is created in the same way for [30:23] the football and the ship. [30:30] In good conditions, Norse power rotor [30:32] sails can actually produce more thrust [30:34] than the main engine. No horsepower [30:38] saving fuel and the planet. [30:40] >> And lastly, there's a photo of a rotary [30:43] sale on a small catamaran that we think [30:45] is a steal. I don't know how much this [30:47] thing would sell for. Yeah, Tyler was [30:49] looking at picking this up because he's [30:50] been exploring the marinas in the area. [30:53] He wants to potentially uh live on a [30:55] boat. [30:56] >> Yeah, we will see you tomorrow at 11 [30:58] sharp. Have a great rest of your day and [31:01] goodbye. Cheers.