## Detailed walkthrough
### [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=0s) The Reality of Crowd Work and the Art of Jokes
Joe Rogan and Ron White dive straight into a candid critique of modern stand-up trends, starting with Matt Rife and the explosion of crowd work on social media. While acknowledging Rife's charm, talent, and solid writing in the green room and on stage, Ron admits he does not understand the obsession with crowd interactions. For Ron, stand-up is about crafting and delivering sharp jokes. He strictly forbids his opening acts from bantering with the audience because it breaks the fourth wall and disrupts the hierarchy of the show: once the crowd thinks they are part of the act, they assume they can talk to Ron, "which they cannot." Ron remembers using crowd work only out of desperation when he was an up-and-coming comic trying to stretch 41 minutes of prepared material into a mandatory 45-minute set, forcing himself to talk to "these fucking hayseeds for four minutes" to kill time until he could finally write enough real material to fill the headlining slot.
Joe points out that crowd work relies on an intense, under-the-gun improvisational muscle where the tension makes off-the-cuff remarks seem far funnier than they would be in everyday conversation, even if the material is entirely disposable and can never be performed again. They contrast gimmicky crowd work with seasoned masters who seamlessly weave riffing into polished stand-up. Joe highlights Rick Ingraham for his effortless integration of crowd banter with prepared material, and Big Jay Oakerson for his exceptional stage presence, patient storytelling, and ability to hold a beat when an audience member says something absurd. Both lament that younger open-mic comedians mistakenly believe that crowd work is a mandatory skill to cultivate rather than focusing on the actual craft of joke writing.
- Ron White firmly refuses to allow openers to speak directly to the audience to prevent hecklers from feeling entitled to interrupt his own headliner set.
- Both comics praise Rick Ingraham and Big Jay Oakerson as rare examples of comedians whose improvisational crowd interactions enhance rather than replace genuine stand-up chops.
---
[02:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=155s) Kill Tony Breakouts: Brent Read and Dedrick Flynn
The conversation turns to the rapid ascent of comics passing through Austin, beginning with joke-writer Pat O'Neill before zeroing in on the previous Monday night's *Kill Tony* taping at the Comedy Mothership. Ron, who served as a guest host that night, brings up Brent Read, a young comedian from Alabama who works at the Mothership and had just earned a coveted Golden Ticket. Ron was so genuinely impressed by Brent's tight writing and performance that he immediately booked him to open his theater show that evening. After Ron extended the offer, an ecstatic Brent phoned his father to announce that he was officially opening for Ron White. Ron reflects that seeing live comedy rarely makes him laugh out loud anymore from the balcony, but Brent's set was so punchy and undeniable that it completely broke through his professional numbness.
Joe and Ron discuss how Brent had previously appeared on *Kill Tony* and bombed, but instead of giving up, he moved to Austin, took a job at the club, refined his material, and waited for his moment. When he returned to the stage, he was completely honest about his initial failure and had completely sharpened his delivery. Joe notes how rare it is for a comedian with only one previous appearance to receive a massive welcoming ovation from the crowd, reflecting how plugged-in the local scene has become. Ron and Joe also celebrate Dedrick Flynn, another standout comic originally stuck spinning his wheels in the Atlanta scene until moving to Austin, whose commanding, low-key stage presence earned him an opening spot on Ron's show as well.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: The Kill Tony Standup Pipeline
accDescr: Progression of comics from club grind to theater tours via Kill Tony.
subgraph Grind ["The Road & Club Foundation"]
A["Years on the Road / Club Staff"] --> B["First Kill Tony Appearance"]
B -.->|"Failure / Bombing"| C["Refining Jokes in Austin"]
C --> D["Return Set on Kill Tony"]
end
subgraph Breakout ["The Launchpad"]
D --> E["Golden Ticket Awarded"]
E --> F["National Touring & Headliner Openers"]
end
```
---
[04:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=287s) European Respite and the Phenomenon of Back-to-Back Golden Tickets
Ron briefly detours into his recent travels, having just returned from a three-week vacation across Lake Como, Verona, and Zermatt, Switzerland. He describes those twenty-one days of pure alpine relaxation as heaven, particularly since he managed to escape Texas's scorching 107-degree summer heat for 62-degree weather. Returning to the Monday night *Kill Tony* show, they look up the other Golden Ticket recipient who shared that historic episode with Brent: an eccentric French comedian going by the stage moniker Steve Francois, or "The Comedy Seller" (spelled like a merchant).
Joe recalls the sheer rarity of back-to-back Golden Tickets on a single episode. Francois had completely murdered the room during both his minute and the subsequent interview panel, leaving an extraordinarily difficult spot for whoever had to walk up immediately after him. Brent Read followed directly in Francois's wake, facing a hyped-up, high-stakes atmosphere, yet managed to score another home run on top of an already blazing set.
- Ron spent 21 days traveling through northern Italy and Switzerland to avoid the peak triple-digit Texas summer.
- Steve Francois ("The Comedy Seller") and Brent Read accomplished the rare feat of winning back-to-back *Kill Tony* Golden Tickets on the same night.
---
[06:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=404s) The Modern Sitcom Boom: How Kill Tony Revolutionized Stand-Up
Joe details why *Kill Tony* has become the single most effective launchpad in the history of stand-up comedy. If a comic has spent seven to ten years grinding on the road, learning how to feature and middle, and putting together a legitimate 45 to 60 minutes of material, a single hit 60-second set on the show instantly provides the audience they need to tour nationally. Joe cites Ari Matti's explosive rise, noting that audiences now lose their minds when he steps on stage, and mentions how rock band The Black Keys specifically contacted him asking to ensure resident regular William Montgomery would be performing at the club the night they visited.
Joe recounts telling Tony Hinchcliffe four or five years into the podcast's run never to abandon the format, predicting that his sharp, ruthless hosting style would make it one of the biggest forces in live entertainment. What began as an underground show in Los Angeles now routinely sells out arenas like Madison Square Garden two nights in a row. Joe compares the platform to the sitcom boom of the 1980s and 1990s: in that era, a comic's golden ticket was getting cast in a pilot like "Bob's Cousin," giving hope to everyone in the scene. Today, *Kill Tony* has replaced the Hollywood studio machine with an entirely self-sustaining stand-up ecosystem where comedians can build massive, independent touring careers strictly on the back of their jokes.
- Joe compares *Kill Tony* to the network sitcom boom of the 80s and 90s, serving as the modern comedian's express ticket to mainstream success without Hollywood executives.
- *Kill Tony* has scaled from small comedy club backrooms in Los Angeles to selling out Madison Square Garden for consecutive nights.
- Rock group The Black Keys specifically reached out to Joe to arrange a club visit around seeing *Kill Tony* regular William Montgomery perform live.
[10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=600s) The Stand-Up Comedy Grind, Blue Collar Tour, and Kill Tony
Reflecting on his life, Ron White notes that stand-up comedy is the only profession he has ever known—a strange, psychologically precarious way to make a living where there is nothing else to fall back on except jokes. Joe Rogan and Ron agree that comedy is full of emotional highs and brutal lows, where performers constantly battle to stay relevant and sell tickets while waiting for a breakthrough catalyst. For Ron, that turning point was the massive success of the *Blue Collar Comedy Tour*. While many younger fans may not fully recall its footprint, Ron notes that Jeff Foxworthy was the sole established superstar when the tour began, and Foxworthy generously shared his spotlight. Crucially, Ron had already put in fourteen years on the road—including eleven years headlining comedy clubs—meaning he had the stage chops to back up the sudden surge of mainstream fame.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Stand-Up Comedy Career Catalyst Flow
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating the paths of comics receiving a career catalyst based on whether they have put in the road time.
subgraph Preparation["Foundational Stage"]
A["10+ Years Grinding on the Road"] --> B{"Major Catalyst Opportunity"}
Z["Premature Exposure / Contest Win"] --> B
end
subgraph Outcomes["Career Trajectory"]
B -- "Prepared with Material" --> C["Sustained Success & Headlining"]
B -- "Unprepared / Green" --> D["'Death Spiral' / Crushing Pressure"]
end
```
Rogan compares that phenomenon to modern platforms like *Kill Tony* and its touring offshoots. When seasoned comics who have been grinding on the road for years finally get a slot on *Kill Tony*, it can instantly ignite a career because they are prepared for the spotlight. Conversely, Rogan warns that early exposure can be toxic: winning a contest or blowing up prematurely without the material to back up headlining ticket sales triggers an unavoidable "death spiral." They lament how fragile comics can be when navigating writing, stage presence, drug or drinking problems, and crushing tax debt to the IRS, making it all the more glorious when a talented performer finally breaks through and earns a comfortable living.
- Ron White spent 14 years doing stand-up, including 11 years as a club headliner, before the *Blue Collar Comedy Tour* exploded.
- Jeff Foxworthy was the single bona fide superstar who originally anchored the tour.
- Rogan highlights *Kill Tony* as the modern catalyst equivalent for road comics ready to pop, while cautioning that bombing when unprepared leaves people wondering what to do with their lives.
---
[12:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=735s) The Comedy Store Parking Lot, Fast Cars, and Spending Mindsets
Rogan recalls how clearly you could track a comic's financial trajectory simply by looking at the parking lot behind The Comedy Store. It was a stark binary: parked cars were either absolute beaters or gleaming luxury vehicles, with virtually nothing in between. You would see a parade of Ferraris, Porsches, Mercedes-Benzes, and Corvettes parked right next to a battered Chevy Vega. Rogan mentions how he repeatedly tried to convince Marc Maron and Ari Shaffir to treat themselves to a genuinely nice ride—specifically praising his own BMW M3 with carbon-ceramic brakes for turning everyday driving into an exhilarating roller coaster—yet they flatly refused to spend the money.
Ron explains that when he first came into real money, his instinct was to assume it would dry up overnight. Terrified the gravy train would derail, he resolved to work as hard as possible and bank every dollar before the enterprise inevitably collapsed. When the success never ended, Ron eventually tried to retire for a brief stretch, only to discover that performing was simply too much fun to walk away from. Rogan, by contrast, admits that as soon as he landed on television, he spent money freely and lived like a baller without saving a dime. Having already experienced repossession and rock bottom, Rogan operated on the belief that if he went broke again, he would simply find a way to survive, so he might as well enjoy the ride while the money was there.
- The Comedy Store parking lot was famous for having no middle-class cars: comics either drove beaters or high-end sports cars like Ferraris and Corvettes.
- Rogan attempted to talk Marc Maron and Ari Shaffir into buying nicer cars, raving about the handling and carbon-ceramic braking of the BMW M3.
- Ron's initial financial reaction to fame was stockpiling out of fear that the run would end, whereas Rogan spent aggressively on the logic that he had survived being broke before.
---
[14:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=890s) The Myth of Beach Retirement and Ron's Swiss Vacation
Rogan reflects on Ron's recent three-week holiday in Switzerland, pointing out that pure relaxation is only deeply rewarding because Ron works so relentlessly on stage, touring and writing year-round. They discuss Jordan Peterson's observation regarding the fantasy of retirement: people picture themselves sitting on a beach sipping margaritas all day, yet after a short while, total idleness breeds profound depression and boredom. Even buying a massive yacht eventually loses its luster if there is no constructive purpose behind it. At nearly 70 years old, Ron feels he has earned the right to kick back and take 20 days off, but both agree that permanent idleness is toxic for an active mind.
- Ron White recently spent three weeks traveling through Switzerland and visiting Lake Como.
- Rogan references Jordan Peterson's critique of the standard retirement dream—drinking endless drinks on a beach quickly turns into boredom and depression.
- Ron admits that while a 20-day luxury vacation is fantastic, a life entirely devoid of work and challenge is unsustainable.
---
[16:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=990s) Swiss Infrastructure, High-Speed Trains, and the Pay-Toilet Dilemma
Ron speaks in awe of Switzerland’s physical landscape and its immaculate civic infrastructure, drawing an unflattering comparison to the United States. With the U.S. sitting around $40 trillion in national debt and lacking reliable high-speed rail, Ron marvels at how effortlessly a 70-year-old can summit nearly any Swiss mountain using seamless connections: a high-speed train connects to a tunnel drilled straight through a peak, leading directly into a gondola ride up to the summit. Rogan points out that Switzerland's centuries of strict neutrality and massive banking sector mean their wealth stays inside the country rather than being burned on foreign wars.
The one grievance Ron harbored was the ubiquity of Swiss pay toilets. When nature called urgently, Ron discovered the turnstile demanded exactly one Swiss franc coin, rejecting both U.S. dollars and euros. Ron jokingly cried discrimination, asking why only those holding a specific coin had the right to relieve themselves, before a stranger behind him explained he could tap a credit card. Ron marveled at the absurdity of having to borrow money via card just to take a shit, while Rogan joked that charging a entry fee at least weeds out street riffraff—even if, as Ron pointed out, an locked door almost drove him to go right on the floor.
- Ron highlights the Swiss mountain transit system combining high-speed trains, mountain-boring auger tunnels, and gondolas.
- Contrasted Switzerland's infrastructure with the United States' roughly $40 trillion national debt and lack of modern bullet trains.
- Public restrooms in Switzerland charge one Swiss franc to enter, prompting Ron's comedic indignation about needing credit to swipe into a toilet stall.
---
[18:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1120s) Kicked Off a Viking River Cruise in France for Smoking Weed
Ron pivots to an international misadventure from the previous year, when he was kicked off a Viking river cruise in France. Knowing maritime rules were strict, Ron had boarded with weed and THC gummies anyway, planning to push his luck, deny everything if confronted, and smoke onshore whenever the boat docked each day. However, ship authorities clamped down aggressively.
The ship’s captain publicly confronted Ron in front of other passengers, speaking loudly and calling him a liar. While the hotel manager had previously been polite and merely asked Ron not to smoke inside his cabin, Ron had taken to smoking joints out on his private balcony with the doors shut. Because the boat was tied up directly adjacent to the dock, Ron was sitting in plain view in an unmistakable cloud of marijuana smoke, setting off an escalating showdown with the ship's furious captain.
- Ron brought marijuana and cannabis gummies onto a Viking river cruise in France a year prior.
- Although a courteous hotel manager warned him not to smoke inside the room, Ron smoked out on his stateroom balcony.
- The balcony opened right over the public dock, leaving him exposed in a thick cloud of weed smoke and sparking an aggressive public confrontation with the captain.
[20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1200s) Busted on the Boat and the Stigma of Weed
Ron White finishes recounting his cruise ship run-in with boat authority over smoking cannabis. After an employee initially told him where he could light up, Ron received a call saying the captain wanted an immediate word with him. The captain confronted him directly in the hallway to dress him down, accusing Ron of smoking in his cabin bathroom and letting marijuana smoke seep into the ship's central ventilation system. Ron fired back in disbelief, pointing out the crew member who had directed him outside and reminding the captain that he was a paying customer who bought an expensive suite: "You just made that shit up, dude. You just called me a liar." As the confrontation peaked, the captain abruptly walked back his aggression, offering a quiet compromise: "Well, listen, if you want to smoke pot on the top deck, maybe I could look the other way." Ron was baffled by the sudden change of tone, wondering why the man didn't just lead with that reasonable accommodation instead of "jumping my fucking ass."
Joe Rogan asks about the severity of marijuana laws in that region, and Ron concedes that while cannabis is technically illegal abroad, enforcement is often casual or contradictory—pointing out that in Paris, one can still navigate a medical-style system to walk into a shop and buy weed. Both men agree on the absurdity of strict prohibition lingering in modern society, though Rogan acknowledges the valid complaints of non-smokers and families traveling with children who find the pungent odor gross and overwhelming.
[21:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1280s) "Swiss" Cigars, Cohiba Counterfeits, and Cuban Embargo Laws
Pivoting from illicit weed to other contraband, Ron pulls out a cigar to smoke on the podcast. Rogan initially warns him that he cannot smoke weed on air, but Ron clarifies that it is an upscale cigar and hands one to Joe. Ron jokes that he cannot reveal the country of origin because doing so would constitute another felony. Rogan suspects it is Cuban and argues that possessing them is now legal under relaxed trade regulations, but Ron disagrees. Joe has young Jamie pull up the official regulations, which clarify that while travelers were briefly allowed to bring back limited Cuban cigars for personal use, that exemption was formally revoked in September 2020. Under current U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) guidance, Americans abroad may consume Cuban cigars where local laws allow, but importing any Cuban-origin tobacco into the United States remains strictly prohibited.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Legal Status of Cuban Cigars for U.S. Citizens
accDescr: Flowchart displaying current U.S. regulations regarding Cuban cigar purchase, consumption abroad, and importation bans.
subgraph Abroad["Outside the United States"]
A["U.S. Citizen Travels Abroad"] --> B{"Local Law Permits?"}
B -->|Yes| C["Legal to Purchase & Smoke on Site"]
B -->|No| D["Illegal Under Local Law"]
end
subgraph Domestic["U.S. Jurisdiction & Border"]
C --> E{"Attempt to Bring Back to U.S.?"}
E -->|Pre-Sept 2020| F["Limited Personal Exemption (Historical)"]
E -->|Current CBP Policy| G["Strict Importation Ban (Confiscation / Fine)"]
H["Pre-1962 Embargo Cigars"] --> I["Fully Legal to Own and Trade Domestically"]
end
```
Leaning into the legal gray area, Ron deadpans that because he bought the cigars in Switzerland, they are officially "Swiss," joking that the Swiss are masters of everything from cheese to luxury tobacco. Rogan notes the rampant counterfeit market for Cuban goods, and Ron agrees, stating that Cohiba cigars are easily the most counterfeited luxury items on earth. Ron recalls having a contact in England years ago who would ship him authentic boxes stripped of their cigar bands, mailing the loose paper bands in a separate envelope to bypass customs inspections.
[23:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1423s) Zeno Davidoff, Generational Rollers, and the Cuban Craft
The conversation moves into why authentic Cuban tobacco commands legendary status. Ron brings up Zeno Davidoff, the Swiss entrepreneur who originally manufactured cigars in Cuba but foresaw the political upheaval of the Cuban Revolution long before his contemporaries. Davidoff pre-emptively smuggled Cuban tobacco seeds to the Dominican Republic, established agricultural plantations, and relocated master rollers to secure his brand's future. Consequently, during the post-revolution trade vacuum, Davidoff became one of the few high-grade cigars widely available on the market.
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: The Cuban Tobacco Diaspora and Davidoff Transition
accDescr: Evolution of Davidoff cigar production migrating from revolutionary Cuba into the Dominican Republic.
subgraph Cuba["Cuba Origins"]
A["Zeno Davidoff rolls cigars in Cuba"]
B["Anticipates geopolitical revolution"]
A --> B
end
subgraph Migration["The Exodus"]
C["Smuggles Cuban seeds"]
D["Relocates generational rollers"]
B --> C
B --> D
end
subgraph Dominican["Dominican Republic Operations"]
E["Establishes new plantations"]
F["Produces premier post-embargo cigars"]
C --> E
D --> F
E --> F
end
```
Ron and Joe analyze the human element behind Cuban excellence, noting that Cuban cigars rely on generational master rollers who spend decades perfecting their touch. In traditional Havana rolling rooms, factories employed "lectors"—designated readers who sat at elevated podiums reading novels, newspapers, and classic literature aloud to rollers while they hand-crafted tobacco leaves. Ron highlights that rolling talent is so prized that American and international companies have purchased entire cigar companies strictly to assimilate their rolling personnel before immediately shuttering the acquired brand. Rogan recalls visiting boutique storefronts in Little Havana near the Miami Improv where Cuban expatriates rolled cigars live by hand on wooden cutting tables, delivering fresh rolls straight to patrons despite the murky origins of their imported leaf. While both praise cigars out of Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic, they agree that Cuba's specific terroir produces an unmatched smoking experience.
[25:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1514s) Pre-Embargo Stockpiles and JFK’s Hypocritical Heist
The conversation shifts to the rare, high-end collector's market for authentic "pre-embargo" Cuban cigars. Because the U.S. embargo prohibited the importation of Cuban goods beginning in February 1962, any Cuban cigars imported and sold in America before the embargo are entirely legal to own, trade, and smoke, provided they have been continuously preserved in climate-controlled humidors for over six decades. Ron explains that a century ago, domestic cigars cost a penny while Cubans commanded a nickel. Wealthy American collectors stockpiled immense quantities of Cuban cigars right before the border closed, constructing massive walk-in humidors in their estates. As these collectors passed away, their vintage collections resurfaced at auctions for fortunes. Ron recalls staying at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco, which housed an exclusive cigar outlet selling authentic pre-embargo rolls from 1962 for $200 each.
Joe brings up the ultimate historical irony involving President John F. Kennedy. On the eve of signing the trade embargo against Cuba in 1962, JFK ordered his press secretary, Pierre Salinger, to secretly scour cigar shops across Washington, D.C. to purchase as many Petit Upmann Cuban cigars as possible. Only after Salinger returned having successfully secured roughly 1,200 cigars did Kennedy open his desk drawer and officially sign the embargo decree into law. Rogan roars at the audacious hypocrisy: "You motherfucker! You did that, and then you made them illegal!"
[26:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1610s) Online Cigar Sleuthing, NSFW Reddit Filters, and Live Purchasing
Jamie begins searching for vintage pre-embargo cigars online, but gets stopped by Reddit's content filters, which require an age confirmation because casual photographs of cigars are classified as "NSFW" (not safe for work). Joe and Ron laugh at the absurdity of a cigar forum being flagged as adult content, with Joe cracking: "It's porn for cigar people, right? They just want to stare at them... I felt it move." This leads into a riff on male collector psychology. Ron observes that once wealthy men have purchased every basic luxury they desire, their obsessive attention shifts exclusively to scarce, forbidden, or unobtainable goods.
Jamie finds an online listing advertising Camacho pre-embargo cigars at what appears to be a fraction of the expected price—around $25 a stick or $300 for a bundle. Both Ron and Joe immediately suspect it is a counterfeit scam, comparing the low price tag to internet shoppers falling for knockoff fake Air Jordans. Jamie digs through the product reviews on Cigar City to see what buyers are reporting:
- **Draw Issues:** One customer noted his first five-pack had an awful, plugged draw with virtually no airflow, which he noted was common across Camacho sticks.
- **Customer Service:** The reviewer still gave four stars because the company included a handwritten thank-you card that convinced him to give them another shot.
- **Flavor Profile:** His second batch delivered an exceptional smoking experience, praising the complex transition between each third of the cigar and lamenting the impending day when the original Cuban leaf runs dry.
Despite the obvious risk of buying knockoffs, Rogan urges Jamie to order a five-pack on the spot so he and Ron can test them at the Comedy Mothership club: "I'll take a swing at five cigars. Fuck it... We'll be all right. I bought dumber shit."
[30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1800s) Ron's 1956 Restomod Corvette and Kurt Busch's Track Setup
Joe asks Ron about his custom Corvette, leading Ron to reveal that television producer Jay McGraw has been trying to buy it off him. Joe urges Ron never to sell, noting that the car is practically an extension of him and will one day command a fortune at an auction. Ron explains that although he originally had a custom liquor bar installed in the trunk, he ended up pulling it out because the car lacks a top, laughing at his own impulse: "I took it out because it didn't have a top because I wanted that bar for whatever fucking reason, Joe." Work on the car was split across different shops, including Colvin Automotive in Austin with Casey Colvin, custom builders in Atlanta, and final tuning handled by NASCAR champion Kurt Busch’s race team.
Busch had invited Ron out to bring the Corvette to an oval track where Busch was doing tire tests. Ron recalls the terrifying thrill of watching Busch take the fresh build onto the track: footage online shows Busch pushing the car to 170 miles per hour and ripping aggressive donuts on the asphalt right after Ron had paid for a brand-new paint job. When Busch pulled back in, he diagnosed the chassis instantly, telling Ron they needed to drop the front end by an inch. When Ron tried to ask why, Busch cut him off, asserting total authority over the setup. Joe and Ron marvel at how elite race car drivers sense microscopic changes through the chassis—detecting minute shifts in understeer, suspension geometry, or tire wear purely through how the car feels beneath them.
The Corvette packs over 500 horsepower into an exceptionally light frame, making it a bit scary yet exhilarating to drive. Ron recently ditched the old carburetor setup in favor of modern electronic fuel injection, eliminating the rough cold starts and the heavy smell of raw fuel that previously flooded the cockpit. While Joe admits that the raw gasoline aroma of vintage muscle cars evokes deep American childhood nostalgia, both agree that modern restomods deliver the best of both worlds. Like Ron, his Corvette was born in 1956—approaching 70 years of age—yet beneath its classic fiberglass shell sits a thoroughly modern machine.
- **Builder & Setup Credits**: Casey Colvin at Colvin Automotive (Austin), Atlanta shops, and race setup dialed in by Kurt Busch's crew.
- **Powertrain Details**: Upgraded from a finicky carburetor to electronic fuel injection, pushing over 500 horsepower in an ultra-lightweight classic chassis.
---
[32:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1971s) Joe's Supercharged Restomod Corvette and Steve Strope's Build
Ron considers Joe’s custom Corvette restomod to be the single prettiest Corvette he has ever laid eyes on, joking that he never expected anyone to beat his own car in that department. Joe explains that his car was far from pristine when he first acquired it. It had been assembled with a dismal interior featuring cheap C4 or C5 Corvette bucket seats, an awkward shifter, and an underpowered, naturally aspirated motor. Joe handed the project over to renowned hot rod builder Steve Strope of Pure Vision Design, who kept the car's Art Morrison chassis but re-engineered nearly everything else from the ground up.
Strope upgraded the suspension, overhauled the brakes, and installed a supercharged LS engine that puts out roughly 550 horsepower. He completely restyled the interior with supportive, high-grip bucket seats and swapped out the car's original red accents and red racing stripe for a sleek black finish. Strope also fitted the car with custom wide-lip wheels. Joe admits the wheels are polarizing—people either love them or hate them—but both agree they give the car an aggressive, unmistakable stance. Joe's Corvette was famously featured on *Jay Leno's Garage*, and Leno remains the only other person Joe has allowed behind the wheel. When Ron notes that he saw Joe leaving in a green car the previous night, Joe confirms that was his other Corvette, and generously offers to let Ron take his 550-horsepower supercharged build for a spin.
---
[35:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2128s) Joe's New Trackside Studio and the Intersection of Racing and Golf
Joe reveals that he is building a secondary podcast studio directly at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack outside Austin, targeting a debut around November to coincide with the Formula One United States Grand Prix. The vision is to record episodes on-site with F1 drivers, visiting musicians, and comedians, interspersed with high-speed track sessions. Joe wants to collaborate directly with automakers—pointing to the 600-horsepower Ford Mustang Dark Horse as the kind of high-performance car he wants to feature, letting guests flog it around the track before sitting down to talk.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Racetrack Podcast Studio Workflow
accDescr: Concept flow of Joe Rogan's trackside studio pairing track drives with podcast interviews.
subgraph TrackActivities["Trackside Activity"]
A["Auto Manufacturers\n(e.g., Mustang Dark Horse)"] --> B["High-Speed Track Laps\n(F1 Drivers, Comedians, Guests)"]
end
subgraph StudioProduction["Studio Production"]
B --> C["Trackside JRE Studio\n(COTA Austin)"]
C --> D["On-Site Podcast Recording"]
end
```
Ron notes that many professional racing drivers spend their downtime golfing at Driftwood Golf and Ranch Club, where Ron frequently plays. Joe admits he has avoided taking up golf because he fears getting completely consumed by it, drawing a comparison between golf and his passion for bowhunting. In both disciplines, no two shots are ever identical; variable distances, crosswinds, and changing angles demand micro-adjustments. However, Joe highlights a critical biomechanical distinction: drawing a compound bow stores all mechanical energy into the cams and limbs before release, whereas a golfer must generate every ounce of kinetic energy dynamically from their own body mechanics.
---
[37:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2225s) Driving Distance: Rory McIlroy, Jamie's Drives, and 500-Yard Long-Drive Champions
The discussion turns to driving mechanics when Joe brings up producer Young Jamie's impressive power off the tee. Ron invites Jamie out for a round at Driftwood, prompting a breakdown of realistic versus elite driving distances:
| Golfer / Category | Typical Driving Distance | Notes & Performance Context |
|:--- |:--- |:--- |
| **Ron White** | 235 – 240 yards | Can stretch to ~255 yards when flushing the sweet spot; exceptional for a golfer approaching 70. |
| **Young Jamie** | 300+ yards (Peak) | Personal long drive; emphasizes that course management and hole layout dictate whether hitting 300 is wise. |
| **Rory McIlroy (PGA Tour Elite)** | ~325 yards (Average) | Consistent tour average; drives land accurately down the fairway under tournament pressure. |
| **World Long Drive Competitors (e.g., Kyle Berkshire)** | 400 – 579 yards | Specialized equipment, extreme 180-degree rotational swings, tailwinds, and elevated tee boxes. |
Jamie pulls up footage of World Long Drive champion Kyle Berkshire smashing an eye-popping 579-yard drive. Joe and Ron watch in amazement at Berkshire’s hyper-athletic swing, which features an exaggerated 180-degree torso coil and violent torque release. While acknowledging the physical feat, Jamie and Ron point out that extreme long-drive specialists use oversized, ultra-stiff equipment in specialized conditions and typically play at a 2 or 3 handicap—meaning their raw distance does not translate to competing against elite PGA Tour pros like McIlroy on a full 18-hole course. Ron likens the dynamic to pool, where an exhibition player might boast a devastating break shot without possessing the subtle touch and shot-making ability needed to clear the table.
[40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2400s) Athletic Golfers, Gaethje’s Recovery, and Stretch Zone
Joe and Ron marvel at elite athletes transitioning into golf, noting how bonkers it is when someone can bomb a drive 410 yards onto the green. Joe points out that LeBron James recently took up the game, launching a YouTube channel to document his journey, and has shown remarkable progress in just a single year despite a demanding schedule. They also discuss UFC fighter Justin Gaethje, who took extensive time off to let his body and brain heal after his brutal knockout loss to Max Holloway at UFC 300. During that recovery period, Gaethje dedicated himself to playing golf every single day for roughly a year. Joe recalls Daniel Cormier raving about just how absurdly skilled Gaethje became in that short window, underscoring how elite fighters possess the loose body mechanics, athletic IQ, and discipline to master almost any physical pursuit they commit to.
The conversation turns to mobility, prompting Ron to reveal that he had just come from Stretch Zone earlier that day. He describes practitioner-assisted, resistance stretching on a specialized table as "the best thing in the world" for golfers. With straps pinning the client securely down, a single practitioner can twist and manipulate limbs into angles impossible to achieve through unassisted stretching, completely decompressing the lower back and opening up the hips. Ron swears by the routine, insisting that every golfer struggling with tightness ought to be on that table.
- **LeBron James**: Recently took up golf and created a YouTube channel; displaying rapid skill acquisition despite limited free time.
- **Justin Gaethje**: Spent nearly a year golfing daily while recuperating from his fight with Max Holloway, dramatically leveling up his swing.
- **Stretch Zone Protocol**: One-hour sessions using resistance stretching while strapped to an adjustment table to free up the hips and lower back.
---
[42:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2535s) Kettlebells, Ozempic, and Hormone Replacement Therapy
Joe urges Ron to complement his golf mobility with a light strength routine, specifically recommending kettlebell training to build rotational power and core stability for his swing. Ron is initially hesitant, joking that video clips of Joe swinging massive bells look like something that "would break me in half," suggesting instead that he stick to light rubber bands. Joe reassures him that he does not need heavy iron; simply moving through a rotational sequence with a modest 35-pound kettlebell is enough to break a sweat, loosen connective tissue, and dramatically improve driver speed. Ron admits he lost significant lean muscle while shedding weight on Ozempic and recognizes that preserving lower-body strength is the ultimate secret to staying mobile into his eighties.
Ron shares how impressed he was with his stamina on a recent trip to Switzerland, where he was able to power up steep inclines because of his regimen of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and human growth hormone (HGH). Joe agrees that proper hormone optimization makes an aging body function like a youthful one, lamenting the ideological stigma that prevents many older men—particularly his left-wing friends—from considering TRT. Joe emphasizes that returning hormone levels to where they were at age thirty improves sleep, strengthens the immune system, and revitalizes overall well-being. Ron corroborates this completely, reflecting on how he used to drink heavily, carried 30 extra pounds, and constantly felt sluggish before working with Ways2Well; now, his physical vitality and stand-up comedy are sharper than ever.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Ron White Physical Longevity Protocol
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating the components of Ron White's health and longevity regimen discussed with Joe Rogan.
subgraph WeightLoss["Metabolic Management"]
C["Weight Reduction via Ozempic"]
D["Eliminating Heavy Drinking"]
end
subgraph Movement["Mobility & Strength Goals"]
E["Stretch Zone Assisted Stretching"]
F["Light Rotational Kettlebell Work"]
G["Leg Strength Preservation"]
end
Hormones --> H["Restored Stamina & Tissue Health"]
WeightLoss --> H
Movement --> I["Long-Term Mobility into 80s"]
H --> I
```
---
[45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2700s) The Farmer’s Carry, Daily Sanity, and Hiring Trainers
To build functional, whole-body durability without joint strain, Joe recommends the farmer's carry. He details his personal routine of grabbing two 70-pound kettlebells—one in each hand for a total of 140 pounds—and walking 200 yards up and down a hill on his property every other day. Joe explains that carrying heavy, awkward loads over uneven ground intuitively connects the entire kinetic chain, taxing grip strength, traps, and core far better than stationary gym machines. For Joe, training daily is not just about physical maintenance; it is an essential tool for psychological survival:
> "The real thing is sanity. The world's nuts. One great way to alleviate some of the pressure of paying attention to how nuts the world is, is do something really hard. Do a hard workout. Do a yoga class. Do something difficult."
Ron agrees and expresses a desire to return to regular yoga, noting how incredible it was for his body when he practiced daily. He jokes about previously having an attractive private yoga instructor visit his home, an arrangement that ended when his former girlfriends grew uncomfortable with her presence. Determined to get back on track, Ron and his partner recently met a female trainer through their friends John Paul and Eloise DeJoria and plan to hire her for home training sessions, with Ron quipping that he is far more accountable and willing to work out if a woman is waiting on him.
- **Joe's Carry Routine**: 140 pounds total (two 70 lb kettlebells) carried for roughly 200 yards up and down a hill every other day, taking about 15 minutes.
- **Mental Relief**: Joe uses daily physical strain as an active mental release valve against the chaos of modern news cycles and societal stress.
- **Home Training**: Ron plans to hire a trainer connected through the DeJorias to institute a structured home fitness routine.
---
[48:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2920s) Online Criticism and the Mothership’s "Walled Garden"
Ron suddenly pivots the discussion to ask Joe why people online, particularly on TikTok, have begun attacking their club, the Comedy Mothership. Joe responds by recounting a conversation he had with a philosopher friend who predicted this backlash long before the club even opened. The friend warned Joe that when a tight-knit group of successful friends creates an exclusive space and appears to be having the time of their lives, outsiders who cannot get in will inevitably perceive it as an elitist "walled garden" and feel an instinctive urge to tear it down. Rather than reflecting the reality inside the venue, the hostility stems from outside envy toward an authentic, closed artistic sanctuary.
[50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3000s) Comedy Mothership Green Room Culture and Brian Holtzman's Dark Satire
Joe Rogan and Ron White discuss the private, unvarnished atmosphere of the green room at the Comedy Mothership, where an intimate circle of comics jokes freely without anticipating outside judgment. The issue arises when outsiders eavesdrop on conversations, misunderstand the intent, and gossip about things said purely for shock value and laughs. Rogan highlights how audiences often misread the club's edgier acts, singling out veteran comic Brian Holtzman. When people get upset that Holtzman goes on stage and screams abrasive jokes, Rogan compares his style to "the comedy version of death metal." While it might not appeal to someone who prefers opera, offstage Holtzman is one of the sweetest people around, whereas onstage he deliberately inhabits an unhinged, offensive persona.
Ron White admits that it took him a while to appreciate Holtzman because he once saw him eat it in front of a tough crowd, but notes that Holtzman now draws devoted audiences who know exactly what they are in for. Both comedians agree that comedy requires absolute freedom to push boundaries: "Is it offensive? A hundred percent... But you've got to leave room for that. There's always got to be room for everything." If a bit fails, the crowd will not laugh, the comic will not return, and the market naturally sorts it out; but when the crowd roars with laughter, policing the premise misses the entire point of satire.
[51:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3104s) Debunking the "Right-Wing Club" Myth and Navigating Green Room Politics
The conversation shifts to the broader public perception that the Comedy Mothership is a right-wing comedy club. Rogan rejects this label as complete nonsense, pointing out that the vast majority of people performing and working at the venue lean heavily to the left. People often make false assumptions simply because Tony Hinchcliffe is visibly conservative or because Rogan endorsed Donald Trump. Rogan explains that despite having supported Trump to counter systemic overreach, his own foundational views have leaned left his entire life. White agrees, affirming that his own outlook is largely left-leaning, even if he carries a firearm, believes in the death penalty, and looks like a typical conservative from the outside.
Examining the political makeup backstage, Rogan notes that comedians like Brian Simpson and Ron White are firmly on the left, while Tony Hinchcliffe is one of the rare unapologetically right-wing, MAGA voices in their circle. Rogan and Hinchcliffe frequently debate policy, but Rogan insists that the critical dividing line in modern culture is no longer left versus right, but rather "rational and insane."
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Political Dynamics at the Comedy Mothership
accDescr: Breakdown of comedian alignments and shared pushback against perceived ideological extremes.
subgraph GreenRoom["Green Room Perspectives"]
L["Left-Leaning Comics<br/>(Ron White, Brian Simpson, Staff)"]
R["Right-Wing Voice<br/>(Tony Hinchcliffe)"]
M["Populist / Anti-Overreach<br/>(Joe Rogan)"]
end
subgraph Grievances["Rejection of 'Insane' Policies"]
B1["Open Borders & Lack of Border Security"]
B2["Coercive COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates"]
B3["Online Censorship & Compelled Speech"]
B4["Unelected Bureaucracy Running the White House"]
end
L --> Grievances
R --> Grievances
M --> Grievances
```
- **Green room ideological balance**: The overwhelming majority of the club's roster and staff identify as liberal or left-of-center.
- **Specific examples of perceived policy overreach**: Unchecked open borders, federal vaccine mandates that forced compliance under threat of job loss, speech policing on Twitter involving deadnaming and mandatory pronouns, and a hollowed-out White House where unelected staffers ran policy behind Joe Biden.
[53:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3228s) Voting for Kamala Harris and the Fight for Reproductive Rights
Rogan argues that the push toward Trump stemmed from a desperation to break the grip of unelected bureaucrats who appeared to run the country behind Joe Biden—a dynamic he believes would have simply continued unchanged under Kamala Harris. Ron White responds candidly by revealing that he voted for Harris. Explaining his decision, White states that he refused to vote for Trump and felt obligated to defend women's bodily autonomy against mounting political attacks: "I'm going to side with the women, because I don't like any kind of candidate, but I'm going to vote. And then the women didn't go, and they left me out there like a dumbass... holding my dick going, 'Well, where were y'all?'"
White emphasizes his personal stake in reproductive freedom, excitedly sharing that he is about to become a grandfather in a few months. He reflects that while grandfatherhood arrived later in life, he hopes to take care of his health and live as long as his mother so he can watch the child graduate high school. When it comes to pregnancy, White maintains that men cannot truly comprehend what a woman experiences when a partner abandons her or when severe medical complications arise, meaning decisions must stay strictly between a family and their doctor rather than the state.
[55:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3318s) Late-Term Abortions and Massachusetts Legislation
While agreeing that the government should stay out of personal lives, Rogan brings up his distress regarding late-term elective abortions. Although defenders argue late-stage terminations occur almost exclusively due to fatal fetal anomalies or immediate threats to maternal life, Rogan recounts an unsettling real-life situation in New York where an acquaintance underwent a late-term abortion purely because the couple had procrastinated and the father ultimately did not want the baby. To inspect current legislative trends, Rogan pulls up a recent Massachusetts bill that joined nine other states and Washington, D.C., in removing gestational age restrictions.
Reading through the details, Rogan and White examine how the Massachusetts statute allows abortions past the prior 24-week threshold when doctors identify late-term medical risks or fetal abnormalities, supported by groups like the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine and activists like Kate Dineen. While Rogan acknowledges that late-stage procedures are rare and designed to prevent women with dying fetuses from facing criminal prosecution, he remains unnerved by laws lacking clear cutoffs when a fetus is fully formed. Both men vehemently denounce fringe hardline positions that ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest, with White mockingly comparing forced-birth rape laws to barbaric Viking times.
[57:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3435s) James Talarico and Christian Nationalism in Public Schools
The discussion turns to Texas state politics, where Rogan asks White about Texas State Representative James Talarico. White speaks very favorably of Talarico, specifically praising the Democratic lawmaker's vocal opposition to mandating the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. Despite Talarico being a devout Christian and former public school teacher, he has argued forcefully that imposing biblical scripture on students amounts to coercive Christian indoctrination that ultimately repels kids from faith rather than welcoming them.
Rogan echoes Talarico's constitutional stance, arguing that public institutions have an explicit obligation to maintain the separation of church and state. He questions how lawmakers can justify singling out the Ten Commandments while refusing to display texts from Hinduism, Islam, or Mormonism. Rogan points out that the political drive behind these education bills does not stem from everyday religious devotion, but rather from wealthy Christian nationalist donors intent on asserting institutional dominance.
[01:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3600s) Religion in Schools, James Talarico, and Texas Politics
The conversation opens on the topic of state-level religious overreach and the effort to reshape Texas public institutions. Joe Rogan expresses deep alarm over attempts to take over the school system and force Christian dogma on students, calling that brand of ideological coercion genuinely scary. Rogan argues that if a person leads an exemplary life with genuine kindness, people will naturally be drawn to their church; forcing ideology down people's throats only drives them away. He emphasizes the core American ideal: having the fundamental freedom to do whatever you want as long as you do not harm others, whether that involves believing in an ancient forgotten religion or living entirely outside traditional faiths.
Ron White connects this dynamic to Texas politics, recalling how he first took notice of state representative James Talarico when Talarico aggressively pushed back against the state's proposed school voucher program. White highlights that vouchers take vital funding out of the public school system and hand it over to private schools. In practice, vouchers overwhelmingly benefit families whose kids are already enrolled in private institutions, while most rural Texas counties do not even have private schools to begin with. Private schools also retain the right to reject any student without cause. White praises Talarico as a smart, honest leader fighting to bolster public schools, hire more teachers, and improve education standards. Moving to broader Texas governance, White takes aim at Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, flatly asserting that Paxton is "just too corrupt" and has no business remaining in high office.
[01:02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3738s) Cannabis Prohibition and Lost Tax Revenue
The hosts shift to the crackdown on cannabis and hemp-derived products across Texas. Rogan decries the alcohol lobby’s moneyed influence and the push by state officials to recriminalize cannabis, make possession a felony, and shut down stores. White mentions checking in with a local head shop owner who had invested everything into legally selling Delta-8 products, only for sudden state bans to pull the rug out from under him, destroying livelihoods, killing jobs, and leaving owners wondering whether to simply burn unsold inventory. Rogan fumes at the absurdity, pointing out that modern adults will never buy the outdated "Reefer Madness" myth equating marijuana to PCP:
> "Regulate it and tax it, you fucking idiots. You're missing out on so much money, and also leave grown adults to do whatever they want to do... You can't decide what other people do and don't do... Either you're too fucking stupid to be a leader, or you're on the take."
Rogan and White look up the colossal tax windfalls that states like California and Colorado pull in from legal marijuana. White quips that even when certain products were semi-legal in Texas, he preferred picking up his weed from Oklahoma, which Rogan jokingly warns him not to confess publicly. Looking over official figures showing California raking in hundreds of millions annually and massive overall economic activity, Rogan notes that the alcohol lobby could never match the billions of dollars the state leaves on the table. White argues that those tax dollars could easily fund struggling public schools rather than being lost to stubborn, outdated prohibition.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Texas Cannabis and Gambling Revenue Drain
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how prohibition and bans drive Texas tax dollars to neighboring states and off-track markets.
subgraph TX["State of Texas"]
A["Outdated Restrictions / Bans<br/>(Cannabis & Full Casinos)"]
B["Underfunded Public Schools &<br/>Damaged Local Businesses"]
end
subgraph Outflow["Out-of-State Revenue Drain"]
C["Border States & Rivals<br/>(WinStar Casino, OK Weed, Vegas)"]
D["Billions in Lost Tax Revenue<br/>Flows Out of Texas"]
end
A -->|"Drives Consumers Out of State"| C
C -->|"Captures Capital"| D
A -->|"Rejects Legalization Taxes"| B
```
[01:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3900s) Casino Gambling and Border Economics
The conversation turns naturally from cannabis revenue to the hypocrisy around legalized casino gambling. White argues passionately that Texas is shooting itself in the foot by banning full-scale commercial casinos, thereby sending an unending stream of residents and cash across the Red River into Oklahoma. The world's largest casino by gaming floor, WinStar World Casino, sits merely hundreds of yards north of the Texas state line explicitly to harvest Texas money. White admits that while he frequently performs there, it is frustrating to watch Texas refuse to capture that income.
When Rogan asks whether easy casino access ruins lives through compulsive gambling addiction, White dismisses the restriction as pointless theater. Anyone prone to gambling already has immediate 24/7 access on their phone through apps like DraftKings, or they can simply drive into Louisiana or hop a cheap $79 flight to Las Vegas. White notes that Texas already permits horse racing—mentioning races shifting over from Ruidoso Downs—making the arbitrary prohibition against full casino gaming feel entirely antiquated.
- **WinStar World Casino**: Positioned roughly 300 yards north of the Texas-Oklahoma border to capture North Texas wealth.
- **Accessibility counterargument**: Mobile sportsbooks like DraftKings already give gamblers instantaneous access anywhere in the country.
[01:07:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4031s) Pool Hustlers, Chelsea Billiards, and Tony Annigoni
Rogan reflects on the degenerate gambling scenes he experienced firsthand while playing competitive pool in New York City during his younger days. Chronic gamblers would start early in the morning at off-track betting (OTB) parlors wagering on horse races, only to show up at the pool halls in the afternoon to lose whatever cash they had left. Rogan reminisces about Chelsea Billiards, an iconic 24-hour New York pool hall frequented by a wild mix of hustlers, degenerates, and homeless people who would literally crawl under unoccupied tables on the slow downstairs floor to sleep through the night.
This subculture was captured in the book *Playing Off the Rail* by David McCumber, a former editor for Hunter S. Thompson. McCumber spent months on the road acting as the financial backer (the "stakehorse") for Rogan's friend, world-class professional pool player Tony Annigoni. Rogan recalls Annigoni as a fascinating anomaly: an intensely disciplined, macrobiotic-eating, non-smoking, non-drinking master of the game who would play 24-hour marathon gambling matches fueled solely by water. Rogan somberly recounts learning years later that Annigoni had died by suicide after jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. Reflecting on the tragedy, Rogan describes the lingering, chilling helplessness that haunts friends left wondering what signs they missed or what they could have said to intervene.
[01:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4200s) Checking in on Friends and the Tragic Loss of Brody Stevens
Joe Rogan and Ron White reflect on the emotional lifeline of male friendships, pointing out how Joey Diaz routinely calls out of nowhere just to say he loves them. Rogan emphasizes how crucial it is to actively check in on friends because men so often bottle up their agony in stoic silence until it is too late, leaving everyone around them haunted by whether they could have stepped in. This brings up the painful memory of comedian Brody Stevens. Rogan recalls knowing Brody was having a difficult time, yet never imagining he would take his own life. Onstage, Brody remained brilliant, hilarious, and beloved by everyone in the comedy scene, leading his friends to assume he would eventually pull through. Rogan describes the utter, disorienting shock of receiving that phone call and being completely unable to process the news.
Breaking the heavy mood with pitch-black humor, White makes Joe swear to an absolute pact regarding his own mortality: "Well, if anybody ever says that I killed myself, I didn't. I am not that kind of person. You go find out, Joe, who killed me." Rogan immediately accepts the mission, promising without hesitation that he will track down whoever did it because he would never believe White died by suicide either.
[01:11:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4297s) Anti-American Sentiment in Europe and Palmer Luckey on Iran
White recounts a recent two-and-a-half-hour drive through Switzerland from Zermatt to Interlaken with a British driver named Andrew, who had married a Swiss woman and moved there twelve years prior. While White anticipated hostility in Paris and found none, he noticed a distinct cold shoulder while traveling through Switzerland and northern Italy. When he asked Andrew if the chilly reception was just in his head, the driver bluntly set him straight: "Mate, if you want to know the truth, they don't like your fucking war. Those guys can hit everybody but you, and you're slinging missiles, and they also don't like the tariffs." The driver explained that Europeans do not care if Americans wreck their own country, but they deeply resent US military actions and trade policies when the fallout spills into Europe.
Rogan agrees that enthusiasm for the conflict is virtually nonexistent among regular Americans as well. The only notable figure Rogan heard mount an intelligent defense of striking Iran was tech entrepreneur Palmer Luckey. Luckey argued on a podcast that Iran was actively accelerating its missile production program beyond normal thresholds, and allowing them to amass such an extreme arsenal while pursuing nuclear capability posed an unacceptable global threat. Rogan weighs this against the widespread counterargument that the military strike suffered from terrible timing: had the United States intervened when Iranian citizens were actively revolting in the streets and facing brutal government executions, both the Iranian public and the international community might have rallied behind the effort. While acknowledging that Luckey is a brilliant patriot, Rogan points out that Luckey also designs high-tech military drones and defense hardware for a living. Even so, Rogan underscores that the Iranian regime is genuinely terrifying, ruling with an iron fist, sponsoring terrorism, and murdering its own people for protesting.
[01:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4500s) Endless Conflicts, Defense Spending, and the California High-Speed Rail
Rogan and White discuss the cyclical history of Western intervention in the Middle East, noting that Iran once had a thriving, Westernized society before foreign powers meddled with its government in the 1950s and 1970s—largely over oil. They observe that foreign policy often resembles a reckless game of Russian roulette, leaving neighboring Gulf states like Bahrain and Qatar caught in the crosshairs of retaliatory missile barrages even as their governments quietly support curbing Iran's nuclear ambitions. Rogan notes that Donald Trump's primary appeal to many voters was his pledge to end pointless foreign entanglements; yet despite these hopes, the country once again finds itself bogged down in an undeclared military conflict reminiscent of the Vietnam War. White mentions asking an AI tool (Grok) about American history and learning that, aside from a brief stretch between 1891 and 1897, the United States has been embroiled in armed conflicts almost continuously, especially every single year since World War II.
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: California High-Speed Rail Disconnect
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating the broken journey of the California High-Speed Rail system requiring a bus transfer.
subgraph RailSection["High-Speed Rail"]
A["Short Track Segment"] --> B["Train Terminus"]
end
subgraph TransitGap["Unfinished Gap"]
B --> C["Regular City Bus"]
end
subgraph FinalLeg["Final Destination"]
C --> D["Bakersfield to Los Angeles"]
end
```
Rogan argues that these endless wars are fueled by the massive financial machinery of the defense budget, which absorbs resources that could otherwise modernize domestic infrastructure. He contrasts this with California's catastrophic attempt to build a high-speed rail network. Despite spending billions of taxpayer dollars, the state has produced virtually no functional track and designed an absurd transit route where passengers are forced to disembark and board a standard city bus to travel between Bakersfield and Los Angeles. Rogan expresses outrage over Governor Gavin Newsom staging press conferences in front of trains to celebrate progress on a project that feels like an outright financial grift: "Bitch, that thing ain't ever going to work. It's just a grift. They're just stealing money."
- Ron White's query on Grok revealed the US has avoided armed conflict in only a handful of isolated peacetime windows (such as roughly 1891–1897), remaining at war continuously since WWII.
- California's high-speed rail has consumed billions while remaining wildly behind schedule, forcing riders to transition onto standard highway buses to complete the journey into Los Angeles.
[01:18:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4705s) The California Condor "Grift" and Copper Bullet Mandates
The conversation takes a comedic detour when White compares the rail project to wildlife preservation campaigns, flatly declaring that he does not believe the California condor crisis is real: "I don't think there's a shortage of them. I don't. I think we just got the right amount of condors, and it's nature's way of taking care of itself. It's an ugly bird." When Rogan asks if he considers condor conservation a fundraising grift, White confirms his skepticism, arguing that humans should simply leave the species alone: "If they don't want to fuck anymore, quit fucking."
Rogan pushes back with the environmental science, explaining that condors were pushed toward extinction because they feed on hunter-killed animal carcasses and suffer fatal lead poisoning from bullet fragments. As a result, California enacted strict laws requiring hunters to ditch traditional lead ammunition entirely in favor of non-toxic copper bullets for both rifles and shotguns when hunting big game like elk.
[01:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4800s) Hunting, Copper Bullets, and California Condors
Joe and Ron discuss hunting methods and the environmental restrictions surrounding ammunition. While Joe primarily bow hunts, he notes that copper bullets are genuinely effective, recalling a rifle hunt where he cleanly took an elk in California using solid copper ammunition. However, both express deep skepticism regarding the rationale behind California's ban on traditional lead ammunition, which was ostensibly passed to protect the endangered California condor.
They question the sheer plausibility of the premise: condors fly exceptionally high, leading Rogan and White to wonder how many hunters are actually losing animals to the point where gut piles and stray lead bullets are pervasive enough to decimate an entire bird population. While acknowledging that ingesting lead is unquestionably toxic, Rogan finds the official narrative "squirrely" and bordering on kooky, wondering aloud whether solid data actually links bullet fragments in game carcasses to population-level raptor mortality.
[01:21:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4890s) California Tire Regulations and Energy Mandates
The conversation transitions from hunting restrictions to California's escalating regulatory reach, specifically a contentious new standard targeting passenger vehicle tires. Rogan highlights a mandate where an estimated 70% of replacement tires currently on the market will effectively become illegal to sell in California. Reading the details of the California Energy Commission’s ruling, Rogan explains that the regulation targets rolling resistance, mandating that aftermarket replacement tires meet the same energy efficiency standards as original equipment (OEM) tires fitted to brand-new vehicles to lower fuel consumption and extend EV range.
Ron and Joe tear into the real-world economic consequences of such mandates on working-class drivers and independent businesses. For someone driving an everyday commuter car like a Toyota Camry, hunting for a $59 or $79 tire simply to make it to the next payday, eliminating budget options forces consumers into expensive, high-spec tires they neither need nor can afford. They also lament the logistical nightmare imposed on independent tire retailers who find themselves holding vast inventories of now-unsellable stock.
- **Regulatory Body**: California Energy Commission (CEC).
- **Adoption Date**: Unanimously adopted the replacement tire efficiency rule on August 17, 2026.
- **Core Metric**: Rolling resistance—aftermarket tires must match the energy efficiency of OEM tires to save fuel and improve EV range.
- **Market Impact**: Approximately 70% of previously available replacement tires face being phased out, disproportionately penalizing budget-conscious drivers.
[01:24:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5060s) The California Coastal Commission vs. Texas Red Tape
The discussion broadens to the bureaucratic hurdles that drive longtime residents out of California. Ron brings up his friend Matt, who lost his home in the Pacific Palisades fire. Despite having ample financial resources to rebuild immediately, Matt found himself completely stalled by months of endless administrative red tape, environmental reviews, and shifting construction requirements. Joe contrasts this regulatory gridlock with Texas, where rebuilding after a disaster simply involves presenting building plans that meet code, receiving a permit, and getting straight to work.
Both agree that the California Coastal Commission and local planning boards have become excessively hostile to homeowners and developers. While recognizing that Southern California's climate and geographical diversity—offering mountains, deserts, and beaches within a two-hour drive—are virtually unmatched anywhere in the world, they marvel at how bad governance and stifling regulations have pushed so many people to relocate.
subgraph CA["California Process"]
A["Loss of Home (Wildfire)"] --> B["Coastal Commission & City Review"]
B --> C["Shifting Codes & Ecological Red Tape"]
C --> D["Years of Stalled Construction"]
end
subgraph TX["Texas Process"]
E["Loss of Home"] --> F["Submit Rebuild Plans"]
F --> G["Code Verification"]
G --> H["Immediate Construction"]
end
```
[01:25:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5140s) Rogan's Audience Scale and Ron's 40th Comedy Anniversary
Ron reminisces about visiting Joe years ago, recalling the moment Joe mentioned looking at buying a massive ranch in Montecito or Santa Barbara. At the time, Ron had no concept of Joe's financial scale or the power of podcasting, wondering how a comic with just a podcast and a couple of shows could afford premier coastal acreage. Today, with Rogan commanding over 20 million subscribers on YouTube alongside a massive footprint on Spotify, Ron reveals he was talking to his partner Angela that very morning, joking about having to face an audience of 20 million people when he felt like he had nothing substantial to say.
Reflecting on the sheer fortune of their careers, Ron announces a major milestone: celebrating exactly 40 years in stand-up comedy, having performed his very first comedy set on September 17, 1986. Coming off a four-month hiatus, Ron is marking the anniversary by kicking off a new run of tour dates, beginning with a milestone performance in Dallas, Texas.
- **Rogan's Digital Footprint**: Over 20 million subscribers on YouTube, with comparable numbers on Spotify.
- **Career Milestone**: Ron White hits 40 years in stand-up comedy (September 17, 1986 – September 17, 2026).
- **Upcoming Tour Stops**: Kickoff performance in Dallas, followed by dates in Florida (Daytona) and California.
[01:27:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5220s) Houston Venue Disasters: The Cursed Downtown Theater
Discussing their favorite Texas tour stops, Ron mentions that while he loves playing Dallas, he has completely stopped performing inside the city limits of Houston, opting instead to play the massive 6,000-seat theater out in Katy (frequently renamed for corporate sponsors like Toyota). Ron explains that he avoided downtown Houston after a nightmarish, double-tragedy double-header at an old downtown rock venue he describes as a "concrete vomitorium" where floors were cleaned by washing vomit out with a hose.
During his early show at the venue, Ron was on stage when he heard screams and thought an overhead light fixture had crashed down into the crowd. In reality, an audience member weighing 180 pounds fell 26 feet straight out of the balcony, landing directly on top of another woman and flattening a metal chair; both victims had to be wheeled out on stretchers by paramedics. Unbelievably, during the late show that exact same evening, an audience member suffered a fatal heart attack. Convinced the venue sat on an "Indian burial ground," Ron swore off the downtown theater permanently.
[01:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5400s) High-Rise Anxiety, Balconies, and Living 600 Feet in the Sky
Reflecting on steep theater balconies where someone could tumble over with a single misstep—recalling an incident where a woman lost her balance and plunged right over the ledge—the conversation turns to the vertigo of modern high-rise living. Joe admits to a guilty pleasure of watching YouTube real estate tours featuring ultra-luxury properties he would never buy, specifically highlighting a $70 million Miami penthouse where the balcony edge is protected by little more than a chest-high sheet of glass hovering seventy stories above the pavement. Beyond the sheer fear of falling, Joe notes a specific, neurotic dread involving his smartphone: while falling himself would be terrible, dropping a phone that could plummet dozens of stories and crush a pedestrian below is an unbearable thought, especially since the device could be traced directly back to him. Both agree that as a sensible life rule, one should never live in a space where taking a single misplaced step guarantees certain death.
Ron mentions that he still owns a penthouse twenty-two floors up, noting dryly that twenty-two stories is "more than enough to die." Jamie chimes in about living downtown roughly six hundred feet in the air, describing recurring, surreal *Inception*-style dreams where the entire skyscraper slowly topples over, and noting that he regularly watches the water sway inside his toilet bowl due to the tower's wind drift. Horrified by the description of structural sway, Joe immediately urges him to pack his bags and relocate to Dripping Springs, even while acknowledging that the panoramic city views from that altitude can be astonishing.
- Joe's rule of thumb for real estate: avoid living in any home where an extra step off a ledge leads to guaranteed death.
- Ron's high-rise residence sits twenty-two floors up, which he considers plenty high enough to be lethal.
- Jamie describes the structural sway of living 600 feet up downtown, including shifting toilet water and dreams of the skyscraper tipping over.
---
[01:33:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5594s) City Views, Binoculars, and Broadway Shows
Joe recalls visiting a friend’s father who owned a 30th-floor corner apartment in New York City wrapped in floor-to-ceiling glass. Instead of looking out toward a distant skyline, the unit was hemmed in by neighboring skyscrapers, creating a dense, sci-fi atmosphere where one could look straight into other people's lives and watch the street traffic crawl below. The discussion quickly pivots to the unspoken reality of high-density city living: everyone watching their neighbors through high-powered optics. Ron cracks up the room by revealing his own failed surveillance efforts: "I got a big old fucking tripod. I ain't seen titty one with it. I don't know how much I spent on that goddamn thing. I ain't seen one tit." Joe reflects that while high-density living might appeal to a young bachelor, packing human beings tightly on top of one another forces people to absorb the chaotic mental energy of thousands of strangers, which cannot be healthy.
Ron looks back fondly on trips to Manhattan with his late mother, who loved attending the theater. On one excursion, he bought tickets to *The Phantom of the Opera* without realizing it was an actual, operatic performance. Despite the clue in the title, Ron assumed it would be staged like a standard theatrical play and admits he never would have attended had he known it was sung straight through. On that same trip, however, they caught *The Book of Mormon* featuring the original Broadway cast, which Ron found completely brilliant and hilarious.
- Ron bought a tripod-mounted binocular setup for his high-rise apartment but jokes that he has yet to spot a single naked neighbor.
- Ron took his late mother to see *The Phantom of the Opera* on Broadway, mistakenly expecting a regular drama rather than full opera.
- Ron praises Trey Parker and Matt Stone's Tony-winning musical *The Book of Mormon* after seeing the original cast perform it in New York.
---
[01:34:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5685s) The Genius of 'South Park' and the Dawn of the Internet
Praising Trey Parker and Matt Stone, Joe and Ron celebrate the creators of *South Park* as comedic forces who have remained completely untouchable because they are filthy rich, wildly funny, and entirely indifferent to corporate pressure. They recall the legendary pre-internet origins of the franchise in the 1990s, when bootleg VHS copies of *The Spirit of Christmas* (featuring Santa Claus and Jesus fighting over the holiday) circulated through Hollywood agencies before the show debuted on Comedy Central. Ron remembers getting a copy through a woman he was dating at an agency, and Joe recites the iconic musical question: "What would Brian Boitano do if he were here right now? He'd make a plan and follow through."
The conversation drifts into the mid-1990s timeline of residential internet adoption. Joe got online around 1994, while Ron recalls accessing the early web via CompuServe and AOL chat rooms around 1995 and 1996. Today, Ron actively avoids the modern internet and social media comment sections, explaining that reading what strangers write is toxic for mental health: "I cannot read what people fucking say. And every once in a while, I think I can for a second, and I'm like, no, just don't, put it down."
- *South Park* originated as animated holiday shorts (*The Spirit of Christmas*) passed around Hollywood on VHS cassettes before its 1997 television debut.
- Joe first got on the internet in 1994, while Ron used early dial-up providers like CompuServe and AOL around 1995–1996.
- Ron purposefully avoids reading internet comments and browsing online, recognizing the urge as an unhealthy trap.
---
[01:37:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5835s) The Sherp Rescue Vehicle in Wimberley
Ron shifts to a meaningful joint achievement, reminding Joe of the specialized Sherp amphibious rescue vehicle they teamed up to purchase for local emergency services in the Texas Hill Country. Exactly one year after acquiring it, the same catastrophic storm system struck the Wimberley riverbed area again, and first responders deployed the vehicle for days straight to pull stranded residents to safety. The rescue efforts made the local news, and the department has since added a second unit, publicly crediting Rogan and White for donating the original life-saving machine.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Sherp Amphibious Vehicle Capabilities
accDescr: Diagram highlighting the features and emergency deployment of the Sherp rescue vehicle.
subgraph SherpSpecs["Vehicle Specifications"]
Engine["55 HP Diesel Engine<br/>High low-end torque"]
Tires["Massive Paddle Tires<br/>Self-inflating & deflating"]
FuelStorage["Internal Wheel Disk Fuel Storage<br/>Extended expedition range"]
end
subgraph Capabilities["Terrain & Rescue Capabilities"]
Terrain["Traverses flooded riverbeds,<br/>boulders, mud & ice"]
Greenland["Expedition proven:<br/>crossed the interior of Greenland"]
Deployment["Wimberley Flood Rescue:<br/>deployed for days saving lives"]
end
SherpSpecs --> Capabilities
```
Joe and Ron marvel at the extreme engineering of the Russian-designed Sherp. Despite having only a modest 55-horsepower diesel motor, the vehicle is geared entirely for low-end torque and high fuel economy, allowing its massive, ribbed paddle tires to claw over gigantic boulders, crawl up near-vertical riverbanks, and float across deep water without bogging down. Joe highlights that an expedition team successfully drove a Sherp entirely across the middle of Greenland over several weeks. He also notes a unique design feature: auxiliary diesel fuel can be stored directly inside the hollow centers of the massive wheel disks, though both comedians spend a few moments puzzling over how fuel lines can siphon gas out of wheels that are actively spinning and constantly self-inflating.
- Joe and Ron partnered to fund an amphibious Sherp vehicle for first responders around Wimberley, Texas, which saved multiple lives during subsequent Hill Country floods.
- The Sherp is powered by an efficient 55-horsepower diesel engine built specifically for torque rather than top speed.
- The vehicle features self-inflating low-pressure tires capable of storing reserve diesel fuel inside the wheel disks, and has completed an overland trek across the Greenland ice sheet.
[01:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6000s) The Engineering Behind the Sherp ATV
Joe Rogan and Ron White pull up a video to inspect the unusual mechanical design of the Ukrainian-made Sherp all-terrain vehicle. Ron is fascinated by how the machine carries its fuel: rather than sitting in a conventional central gas tank, fuel is stored directly inside the wheel hubs within sealed tanks that sit completely separate from the tire air chambers. Despite each wheel housing its own tank, the Sherp features an automatic weight-balancing system so that the vehicle will not tilt or destabilize even if an individual tank runs dry. Another standout engineering feature is that the oversized tires are self-regulating, utilizing engine exhaust gases to automatically adjust tire pressure on the fly without needing an onboard compressor. Looking at the footage, Ron initially thinks the wheels have to be removed to refuel, but Joe notes the external connection points that allow an operator to pump fuel straight out of the hubs and directly into the engine's main feed.
Ron reflects on the vehicle's rugged Ukrainian origins, remarking that a representative once told him their testing protocol essentially amounted to taking prototypes out to the front lines, letting the Russians shoot at them, and dragging them back to improve the design. Given the deep mud and harsh conditions across Ukraine, the platform was conceived as an indestructible workhorse. Joe and Ron agree that while almost nobody living in regular suburban areas actually needs one, it is an incredible tool for people managing massive ranches or navigating dangerous flood zones along volatile rivers.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Sherp Wheel Hub and Fuel Distribution System
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how the Sherp vehicle stores and balances fuel within the wheel hubs while regulating tire pressure.
subgraph HubSystem["Wheel Hub & Tire Assembly"]
Hub["Sealed Wheel Hub<br>(Fuel Storage Tank)"]
AirChamber["Separate Tire Chamber<br>(Air Pocket)"]
Exhaust["Engine Exhaust Gas Feed"]
end
[01:42:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6135s) Texas Hill Country Flash Floods and the Tragedy at Camp Mystic
The conversation shifts to the extreme vulnerability of riverfront properties, focusing on the flash floods that periodically hammer the Wimberley and Texas Hill Country areas. Ron brings up the shocking occurrence of catastrophic floods striking almost exactly one year apart, both over Fourth of July weekends. Despite local officials labeling the initial disaster an unprecedented "thousand-year event," another disaster struck just twelve months later, leading Ron to joke dark-humoredly that it was actually just a "one-year flood." Joe points out the geological reality of the region: because the terrain sits on vast sheets of solid granite, rainwater cannot absorb into the ground. Instead, severe storms drop water that immediately cascades across the rock faces and funnels violently into the Guadalupe River, causing water levels to spike at terrifying speeds.
They discuss the heartbreak surrounding Camp Mystic, which sat directly in the flood path with its name painted in giant letters on the structure. Ron notes that while some people inevitably tried to assign political blame to figures like the President, in reality nobody could have predicted the freakish alignment of worst-case conditions—a massive stalled storm system hitting zero-communication rural terrain. The site had stood peacefully for roughly a century without such destruction, but once the river roared through, the damage was catastrophic. Ron observes that while ownership explored reopening, the pushback from people was fierce and understandable, making it unlikely the historic campsite will ever operate again.
- **Granite Runoff Dynamics:** The Texas Hill Country's granite bedrock acts as an impervious barrier, preventing ground absorption and instantly channeling cloudbursts into riverbeds.
- **Camp Mystic's Location:** The camp occupied a scenic riverside site for nearly a century before consecutive historic flash floods washed through the grounds.
[01:44:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6282s) Glacial Dam Bursts and Avalanches in the Himalayas and Alps
The destructive power of moving water prompts Joe to ask Ron if he saw the footage of the catastrophic avalanche and dam break in Nepal. Ron mentions that he happened to be traveling abroad when it occurred and watched the disaster dominate international news cycles. He details the specific two-stage sequence of events: first, a massive rockslide choked off the valley and impounded a large lake; subsequently, an enormous glacier broke off, plummeted into the newly formed reservoir, and blew the natural dam wide open. Joe reflects on seeing similar glacial vulnerability while traveling through Switzerland during an unusually scorching summer, where the melting ice caps were sending uncharacteristic torrents of water down through alpine river networks.
Joe and Ron recount the sheer horror of watching the Himalayan flood video, emphasizing how impossible it is for humans to outrun such an event. The debris flow—composed of shattered ice, massive boulders, cars, and uprooted trees—hurtled down the valley at speeds nearing 150 kilometers per hour, surging water levels by as much as nine meters in just thirty minutes. Joe dismantles the common misconception that an individual can simply run to safety when water approaches, pointing out that a multi-story wall of hyper-dense slurry crushes and obliterates anything in its path, turning what looks like a flood into total mechanical mayhem.
[01:46:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6388s) Meteor Impacts and the Reality of Planetary Defense
Examining the fragility of human settlements leads the pair to discuss cosmic threats, specifically the meteor impact craters scattered across the globe. Ron points out an enormous crater in Australia that went undiscovered until relatively recently, alongside famous landmarks like the colossal crater in Nevada. Joe explains that because individual human lives span mere decades, people operate under the illusion that major asteroid strikes are statistically negligible; in reality, on geological timescales, impacts by space rocks the size of houses or larger are inevitable, purely random occurrences capable of wiping out modern civilization in seconds.
When Ron asks whether current military technology could shoot down an incoming space rock, Joe is blunt: human civilization possesses no operational defense system capable of intercepting a massive asteroid on short notice. While theoretical models exist, humanity has never built or tested an integrated shield capable of coordinating launches from the United States, China, and Russia to deflect a planetary killer. The threat is compounded by blind spots, such as asteroids approaching from behind the glare of the sun, which telescopes cannot detect until impact is imminent. When Ron suggests putting Elon Musk on the problem, Joe agrees that Musk might be one of the rare minds capable of engineering a solution, though early detection remains the biggest hurdle.
[01:48:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6488s) Eliminating Big Money, Billionaires, and Lobbyists from Politics
Ron abruptly shifts the discussion to the corruption of the American democratic process, asking Joe what he thinks about imposing strict legal caps on political donations. Ron offers his own uncompromising view: there ought to be an absolute, low ceiling on what any individual can donate to a candidate or party, and "if they donate one dime more than that, they're hung by the neck until dead." He argues forcefully that billionaires must be completely purged from having direct financial sway over political campaigns.
Joe agrees entirely, insisting that the exact same ban must apply to corporations and paid lobbyists. He observes that campaign cash has become so deeply intertwined with governance that most people cannot even imagine a system without it. Joe illustrates the absurdity by proposing a hypothetical: if corporate donations were not already legal, nobody in their right mind would ever agree to let companies that pollute rivers, ravage ecosystems, and exploit developing nations spend unlimited funds to buy access to the politicians writing their industry regulations. Ron concludes with dry sarcasm: "What a great idea. Yeah. I wish I was one."
[01:50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6600s) Political Grift, Chinese Meritocracy, and the Myth of the Benevolent Dictator
The conversation centers on the corruption embedded in governance, with Joe Rogan and Ron White agreeing that the fundamental purpose of lawmaking should be serving society rather than enriching corporations, donors, or politicians through insider trading. White bluntly summarizes the state of American governance: "We're being grifted, Joe," to which Rogan immediately responds, "100%." White brings up the Chinese political model, clarifying that while he rejects communism, there is something compelling about a system where leadership is built on proven administrative competence rather than a democratic popularity contest. Rogan pushes back against romanticizing China, pointing out the severe human cost: complete authoritarian control, the arbitrary imprisonment of dissenters in camps, state control over every major enterprise, and the chilling disappearance of even high-profile billionaires who dare to step out of line.
While Rogan acknowledges the hypothetical appeal of a "benevolent dictator"—a selfless leader who possesses absolute power yet desires nothing other than improving the world—he insists such figures simply do not exist in reality. The brutal gauntlet required to reach top political office tends to filter out decent people, selecting instead for power brokers, narcissists, and opportunists. Rogan observes that the official presidential salary of roughly $400,000 to $500,000 a year places leaders in rooms full of billionaires whose wealth dwarfs their own, creating an inevitable revolving door where former presidents exit public service only to collect half-million-dollar speaking fees from Wall Street banking conferences. White notes that Jimmy Carter was perhaps the singular modern exception, living an uncorrupted, modest life until his final years.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Power and Political Incentives Flow
accDescr: Diagram contrasting democratic electoral incentives with post-office financial extraction and authoritarian stability.
subgraph DemocraticSelection ["Democratic Office Realities"]
A["Brutal Public Campaigns"] --> B["Attracts Power Brokers & Narcissists"]
B --> C["Official Salary: ~$500k/year"]
C --> D["Proximity to Corporate Billionaires"]
D --> E["Post-Presidency: $500k Speaking Gigs"]
end
subgraph AuthoritarianModel ["Chinese State Model"]
F["Ground-Up Meritocracy"] --> G["Deep Administrative Experience"]
G --> H["Zero Accountability / Absolute Rule"]
H --> I["Camps, Disappearances, Total Censorship"]
end
```
[01:53:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6803s) James Talarico, "Non-Binary God," and Biological Reality
White suggests that Texas State Representative James Talarico represents a rare breed of principled, uncorrupted public servant. Rogan agrees that it is always wise to hope for the best in people, but he raises eyebrows at some of Talarico's past progressive rhetoric—specifically his public declaration that "God is non-binary." While Rogan and White both concede the theological point—that God as an infinite, transcendent creator cannot be reduced to human biological sexes—Rogan worries about the creeping confusion between spiritual metaphors and biological facts.
Rogan draws a hard distinction between personal identity and objective science. While he advocates for personal liberty and calls for treating everyone with baseline respect—remarking that anyone can go by Carol, Bob, or whatever identity they prefer—he insists society must preserve scientific clarity. Rogan points out that true non-binary conditions in biology refer strictly to rare intersex phenomena, such as individuals with XY chromosomes who have androgen insensitivity syndrome, possessing internal testes while presenting phenotypically as women. Confusing medical and genetic conditions with subjective feelings or psychological gender dysphoria harms scientific discourse. Rogan emphasizes that compassion should not override material reality, especially in fair competition like women's sports and tennis divisions, nor should society conflate someone suffering from genuine dysphoria with predatory bad actors attempting to exploit changing social standards.
- Rogan emphasizes "facts over feelings" when dealing with medical science, sports classifications, and biology.
- White advises that individuals in the public eye must cultivate a thick skin, noting that people will inevitably be mean and critical regardless of intent.
[01:56:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7005s) Gender Transitions in Youth, Detransitioners, and Ken Paxton's Scandals
Rogan expresses deep alarm over the medicalization of gender non-conforming minors, criticizing the administration of hormone blockers and surgical interventions to adolescents whose brains and identities are still developing. He likens GnRH hormone blockers directly to the chemical castration medications historically administered to sex offenders, warning that young people are easily swayed by cultural fads and social media trends. He highlights the plight of detransitioners—individuals who underwent irreversible chemical or surgical procedures, deeply regretted the damage, and found themselves excommunicated and gaslit by progressive and transgender communities claiming they were "never really trans to begin with."
White shares the view that permanent surgical procedures should be prohibited before the age of 18, but he uses the standard of legal and fiscal accountability to pivot back to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. Contrasting Talarico's clean record with Paxton's extensive legal troubles, White recounts how Paxton cost Texas taxpayers millions:
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Ken Paxton Whistleblower Scandal Timeline
accDescr: Sequence of events detailing how Ken Paxton's whistleblower lawsuit resulted in a taxpayer-funded judgment.
A["2020: 8 Senior Paxton Aides Report Him to FBI for Fraud & Bribery"] --> B["Paxton Retaliates: Fires 4 Whistleblowers"]
B --> C["Fired Staff Includes Decorated 50-Year Texas Ranger"]
C --> D["Whistleblowers File Retaliation Lawsuit"]
D --> E["Paxton Attempts $3.3M Settlement via State Budget"]
E --> F["Texas House Refuses to Fund the Payout"]
F --> G["Whistleblowers Win $6M Judgment Paid by Texas Taxpayers"]
```
- In 2020, eight of Paxton's highest-ranking deputies blew the whistle to the FBI, accusing him of bribery, fraud, and abuse of office.
- Among those fired in retaliation was a veteran law enforcement officer with five decades of service in the Texas Rangers.
- Paxton originally negotiated a $3.3 million settlement to make the whistleblower lawsuit go away using state funds.
- When the Texas House of Representatives refused to allocate taxpayer money for the payoff, the dispute escalated to an eventual $6 million judgment—a financial burden White reminds listeners was ultimately extracted directly from everyday Texas taxpayers.
[02:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7200s) Texas Politics, Marijuana Prohibition, and Corruption
The conversation opens with a blunt critique of the political establishment in Texas, specifically zeroing in on the impeachment of Attorney General Ken Paxton—noting how his own party in the Texas House voted overwhelmingly to impeach him (121 to 23), only for the Texas Senate to acquit and reinstate him to preserve political power. Ron White pulls no punches, labeling him a criminal, while remarking on how surprised pundits were when Democratic state representative James Talarico showed strong polling numbers against him. Ron argues that everyday Texans are simply exhausted by single-party rule, pointing out that Republicans have controlled the state government for three decades: "They've been in control for 30 years. What have they given us? Let somebody else fucking drive." For Ron, the grievance hits close to home because state officials continue to restrict cannabis: "They're jacking with my marijuana, and I'm ready to get them out."
Joe agrees that marijuana prohibition is completely irrational, citing national polls showing that roughly 70% of the American public supports legalization. The hosts argue that policy on personal autonomy should be decided directly by the people rather than dictated by entrenched special interests. When Joe brings up how deeply politicians have been compromised by the alcohol lobby to keep weed illegal, Ron jokingly demands the ultimate punishment: "Hung by the neck until dead. That's what I'm saying. Let's get some severe penalties in there." Joe underscores how detrimental this hypocrisy is to Texas’s self-styled reputation as a beacon of individual freedom, pointing to California pulling in $7 billion—"with a B"—in tax revenue from regulated cannabis without suffering catastrophic fallout.
- The Texas House of Representatives voted 121 to 23 to impeach Ken Paxton before the Senate acquitted him.
- Polling in Texas shows rising fatigue with long-term GOP governance, reflecting shifting margins in state races.
- National public opinion overwhelmingly favors cannabis legalization at roughly 70%.
- California's legal cannabis market generates roughly $7 billion in tax revenue.
---
[02:02:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7334s) The Decline of Alcohol, Generational Shifts, and Camera Culture
Addressing why the alcohol industry fights so aggressively against legalization, Joe points out that the real catalyst is that commercial alcohol consumption is in freefall. Sales of wine, spirits, and tequila have plummeted by 20% or more across the board. Ron attributes this downturn directly to the younger generation's changing habits and financial realities. Young people simply lack the disposable income to spend lavishly at bars every night because they are saddled with crushing student loan debt—often upwards of $80,000—that previous generations or wealthy families never had to grapple with. Instead of paying for overpriced drinks and nursing miserable hangovers the next morning, younger people prefer to smoke some weed before going out to socialize.
Ron reflects on his own journey of sobriety from hard liquor, admitting that while he fundamentally needs some kind of buzz to get through life, alcohol ended up being destructive for him and he had to find healthier alternatives: "There's more than one way to skin a goddamn cat." Joe re-emphasizes that maintaining bans on marijuana, psilocybin mushrooms, and plant medicine stems purely from political corruption and an authoritarian impulse to police human consciousness. Ron then floats an additional cultural factor behind declining youth drinking: the omnipresence of smartphone cameras. He wonders if young people avoid heavy drinking out of fear of being recorded doing something humiliating and ending up viral on social media. While Ron laughs that cameras would have never stopped him in his wilder days, Joe concedes that social embarrassment and the dread of permanent online exposure likely play a genuine role in moderating modern public behavior.
---
[02:04:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7470s) The Jelly Roll Backlash and Jimmy Kimmel Appearance
The discussion shifts to the intense public backlash surrounding country music and hip-hop star Jelly Roll after his guest-hosting monologue on *Jimmy Kimmel Live!*. Ron and Joe discuss how quickly critics turned on him after he made a joke referring to Donald Trump as a "fat pig" and allegedly followed it up by telling Trump supporters not to listen to his music. Ron expresses bafflement and sadness over the uproar, calling Jelly Roll a sweetheart who has been a devoted fan of Ron's comedy since childhood. Both men speculate that Jelly Roll likely did not write the monologue jokes himself, suspecting that Kimmel’s writing staff—known for their hardline anti-Trump stance—provided the material, effectively walking a country artist into a political buzzsaw.
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Jelly Roll Career Backlash Factors
accDescr: A flowchart illustrating the overlapping pressures leading to the Jimmy Kimmel monologue controversy.
subgraph PersonalChanges["Major Life Changes"]
A["Lost 300 lbs"]
B["Ways2Well Protocol"]
C["Recent Divorce"]
end
subgraph Ambition["Creative Expansion"]
D["Practicing Stand-Up at Clubs"]
E["Guest Hosting Jimmy Kimmel Live!"]
end
subgraph Fallout["Public Backlash"]
F["Monologue Jabs at Trump"]
G["Backlash from Country Music Base"]
end
Joe notes that Jelly Roll has been navigating massive, disorienting life transitions all at once. He lost roughly 300 pounds, embraced rigorous fitness, worked with Ways2Well to overhaul his health, and went through a painful divorce. On top of that, he had been practicing stand-up comedy sets at the Comedy Mothership in Austin, and likely jumped at the high-profile Kimmel gig to test his chops on national television before fully mastering the craft. Joe highlights the inherent risk involved: as a country-adjacent artist whose audience leans heavily conservative, alienating Trump voters amounts to alienating a substantial portion of his core fanbase. While Joe acknowledges that stepping into political humor was a miscalculation, he maintains that Jelly Roll is a remarkably gifted songwriter and singer who will ultimately weather the storm.
- Jelly Roll dropped approximately 300 pounds through a fitness overhaul and medical optimization through Ways2Well.
- Prior to hosting Kimmel, he had been doing developmental stand-up sets at Austin comedy venues.
- The country music demographic contains a substantial pro-Trump base, making late-night political jokes particularly volatile.
---
[02:07:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7625s) Dissecting the Monologue Joke and Entertainment Resilience
Joe and Ron evaluate how prominent figures navigate cancellation, drawing a comparison to Kanye West. Joe observes that despite extreme public controversies—such as wearing a diamond-encrusted swastika necklace—Kanye continues to sell out massive arenas worldwide purely on the back of undeniable talent and relentless creative drive. They reflect on how the internet harbors a vicious desire to tear down anyone reaching the pinnacle of success, with critics projecting their own insecurities by relentlessly attacking beloved public figures on platforms like TikTok. Ron points out the irony of people being outraged over insults when Donald Trump himself popularized aggressive schoolyard name-calling in modern politics, recalling when Trump labeled Ellen DeGeneres "Ellen DeGenerate."
To settle what actually happened, Joe and Ron have Jamie pull up the actual transcript and footage of Jelly Roll’s monologue on the screen. The reporting reveals the exact premise: Jelly Roll joked about losing 300 pounds, saying he had essentially lost an entire Donald Trump's worth of weight. He then referenced past disparaging comments Trump made about others' weight, delivering the punchline: "Well, Mr. President, from one fat pig to another, take it from me that physical fitness is very important." Hearing the joke in its true context, Joe and Ron immediately push back on the outrage. They agree the joke was self-deprecating, clever, and completely innocuous, concluding that the manufactured controversy had far more to do with the polarized political climate and appearing on Jimmy Kimmel than the content of the joke itself.
- Kanye West remains a prime example of an artist whose talent allows him to survive controversies that would end other careers.
- The scrutinized joke referenced Jelly Roll's 300-pound weight loss as shedding the equivalent of Donald Trump.
- The punchline—"from one fat pig to another, take it from me that physical fitness is very important"—relied primarily on self-deprecation rather than outright malice.
[02:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7800s) Jelly Roll’s Monologue, Weight Loss, and Trump Calling People Fat
Joe Rogan and Ron White review a clip of musician Jelly Roll performing a comedic awards monologue centered around his dramatic weight loss. In the routine, Jelly Roll jokes about tipping the scales, having shed around 300 pounds over recent years—quipping that he has essentially "lost an entire Donald Trump," and adding that judging by current approval ratings, most of the country would like to do the same. The set playfully mocks Trump's habit of body-shaming others, contrasting his self-professed refusal to disparage people's appearances with a montage of real clips showing Trump relentlessly calling adversaries "a big fat slob" and repeatedly mocking Chris Christie as a "fat pig." Jelly Roll concludes his bit by noting that from one former fat guy to another, losing the weight offers the added bonus of being surprised by your own anatomy again.
Ron and Joe break down the mechanics of the performance. While Rogan acknowledges it was clearly written for him and read off a teleprompter like a standard award-show monologue, he and Ron agree Jelly Roll did an admirable job and looked remarkably handsome and healthy. Rogan highlights Jelly Roll’s incredible physical transformation, recalling when the artist came into the studio for a podcast recording and casually ran six and a half miles on the treadmill while carrying on a full conversation, while Rogan was lifting weights in front of him.
Rogan shares another vivid anecdote from Austin at Matthew McConaughey’s annual "Mack, Jack & McConaughey" charity benefit: after finishing his musical performance, Jelly Roll bounded off the stage, grabbed the stairway railing, and vaulted right over it with feline agility. Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe were watching from backstage, and Joe shouted over to him in disbelief that a man who used to weigh 500 pounds had just cleared a handrail like a cat. Though Rogan notes that making political or weight jokes about Trump will always trigger blowback from rabid fans who take it personally, both men emphasize how genuinely great a person Jelly Roll is.
- Jelly Roll joked that dropping 300 pounds meant losing the equivalent of "an entire Donald Trump."
- The comedy bit spliced together archival clips of Donald Trump calling various politicians "a big fat slob" and a "fat pig."
- Rogan recalls Jelly Roll running 6.5 miles on a treadmill without losing his breath during a studio workout.
- At Matthew McConaughey’s Mack, Jack & McConaughey charity auction, Jelly Roll hopped clean over a backstage staircase railing.
---
[02:14:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8040s) The Cult of Political Leadership and the Democratic Primary System
The conversation broadens from the reaction to Trump jokes into the broader psychology of American politics. Rogan and Ron White observe how Trump's most fervent followers treat him as far more than an elected official, viewing him almost as a Christ-like savior who will single-handedly fix their lives. Rogan laments society's persistent tendency to look at political leaders as messianic figures fundamentally different from all who came before. Ron notes that for desperate people living without hope or education, promises of quick wealth are an illusion; realistically, someone like Bernie Sanders pushing to raise the minimum wage would have offered tangible economic improvements for working people trying to earn an extra couple of bucks an hour.
Rogan reflects on his own past support for Bernie Sanders, recalling when he stated on Jimmy Dore's program that Sanders made the most sense because he was staunchly anti-war and proposed funding social programs with a tax on Wall Street stock market speculation. However, Rogan explains that his enthusiasm waned after Sanders yielded to the Democratic establishment during the 2016 primary against Hillary Clinton rather than calling out the party apparatus for rigging the process. Rogan argues that the Democratic Party has gone over a decade without hosting a truly open, competitive primary, pointing to the rapid, closed-door installation of Kamala Harris as the presidential nominee after Joe Biden withdrew from the race without a single primary vote cast for the top of the ticket.
---
[02:17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8250s) JD Vance and the Casual Acceptance of the "End Times"
The topic shifts toward apocalyptic rhetoric in modern politics when Ron White asks whether human civilization will collapse due to artificial intelligence or the biblical apocalypse. Rogan mentions listening to Tim Dillon roast a speech given by Vice President candidate JD Vance regarding the end of the world. Pulling up the audio on Twitter, Rogan plays the clip where Vance addresses an audience:
> "While I wouldn't be shocked if we are living in the end times, what I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, okay. And if that leads to us building a better world that thrives and survives for a very long time after I'm gone, that's great too."
Rogan and Ron express complete bafflement at Vance’s priority order and nonchalance toward universal destruction. Rogan points out the absurdity of shrugging off the end of humanity with an "okay," while treating the preservation and flourishing of a peaceful civilization merely as an acceptable alternative. They argue that anyone genuinely seeking to lead should place building a thriving, beautiful world as the sole objective and completely discard apocalyptic fatalism. Rogan connects this mindset to deep religious dogmatism, discussing Vance's devout Catholic faith and spiritual writings, emphasizing how dangerous it is when leaders governing modern civilization genuinely believe that end-times prophecies are imminent or acceptable.
[02:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8400s) Whitley Strieber's *Communion* and J.D. Vance's Name Evolution
Joe Rogan and Ron White begin by sorting out a book title mix-up. Rogan recalls *Communion*, the famous 1987 book by Whitley Strieber about alien abduction that was adapted into a 1989 film starring Christopher Walken, comparing it to J.D. Vance's titles following his breakout memoir *Hillbilly Elegy*. The conversation shifts toward Vance's background and the multiple legal name changes he went through during his upbringing. Rogan pulls up the details: Vance was born James Donald Bowman, became James David Hamill after his mother's third husband adopted him (the name he went by through high school), and eventually adopted the surname Vance in 2013 prior to graduating from law school to honor his maternal grandparents, "Mamaw" and "Papaw," who played a central role in raising him.
While White acknowledges there is an understandable family logic behind each shift rather than an attempt to dodge taxes or break the law, he and Rogan both find changing one's legal identity three or four times unusual. They ponder whether such frequent identity shifts signal someone constantly attempting to reinvent themselves. The discussion takes a sharper turn toward Vance's public rhetoric, with Rogan expressing deep discomfort with apocalyptic, "end times" political talk, labeling it unsettling "crazy talk" that immediately erodes his trust.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Evolution of J.D. Vance's Legal Names
accDescr: Flowchart tracking the four stages of J.D. Vance's name changes from birth to law school graduation.
subgraph Names["Name Changes"]
A["James Donald Bowman<br/>(Birth name)"]
B["James David Hamill<br/>(Adopted by mother's 3rd husband; used in high school)"]
C["James David Vance<br/>(Adopted in 2013 before law school graduation)"]
D["J.D. Vance<br/>(Public & political persona)"]
end
A --> B
B --> C
C --> D
```
- **Whitley Strieber's *Communion***: 1987 alien abduction memoir adapted into a 1989 feature film starring Christopher Walken.
- **Vance's Names**: Born James Donald Bowman, later James David Hamill, and legally adopted James David Vance in 2013 in honor of his maternal grandparents.
---
[02:22:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8565s) Baptist Upbringings, Speaking in Tongues, and *The Righteous Gemstones*
Rogan clarifies that while he understands the value of religion as a moral and ethical framework, he checks out whenever dogmatists claim absolute certainty about cosmic outcomes: "I'll absolutely quit listening to them talk if that's what they come at me with: 'I know and you don't know.'" This prompts White to reflect on his own childhood in the Texas Panhandle, where he was deeply involved in the Southern Baptist church. White's uncle was a Baptist preacher who served as his childhood hero—the one man he believed was telling absolute truth—until years later, around age ninety and suffering cognitive decline, the uncle boldly hit on White's girlfriend Jeannie and asked her to marry him right after a comedy show.
White describes the small-town religious divide in Texas between Baptists and the Church of Christ, an autonomous restorationist tradition with deep Texas roots. His grandmother belonged to the Church of Christ and would gather local ladies for services where she regularly stood up and spoke in tongues. White recalls sitting beside her as a boy, dying of embarrassment every Sunday morning, especially when the preacher's wife stood up claiming the spiritual gift of interpretation—which unfailingly translated the divine tongue into an urgent command for the congregation to dig deep into their pockets for church fundraising. Rogan laughs at the sheer convenience of the scam, which leads both men to rave about Danny McBride's satirical televangelist series *The Righteous Gemstones*, calling it one of the funniest and most spot-on depictions of ministry culture ever made.
---
[02:25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8700s) Preachers as Orators and the Comedy Connection
White points out that televangelist excess has deep historical ties to stand-up comedy, noting that legendary comic Sam Kinison started out as a fiery Pentecostal revival preacher. White credits his own stage presence directly to watching his preacher uncle command audiences every Sunday. His uncle was an exceptional orator who could make an entire sanctuary laugh while saving souls every week. Watching him work convinced White that he wanted to command a stage in the exact same way—he just wanted to tell dick jokes instead of preaching scripture. Rogan observes that Chris Rock and Larry the Cable Guy shared similar roots, pointing out that Larry's father was both a preacher and a pig farmer, a blend of showmanship and blue-collar grit that perfectly birthed his comedic persona.
Rogan emphasizes that the inherent danger of religious preaching is people's desperate desire to believe that an authority figure holds all the answers to existence. Threatening people with eternal damnation over behavioral rules is an age-old human impulse to enforce conformity. White notes that while he personally does not believe or follow dogma, he refuses to mock genuine personal faith because he could just as easily be wrong about the universe. The true trouble begins when believers insist on imposing their worldview on everyone else.
---
[02:27:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8820s) Tour Dates and Wrapping Up
With both men scheduled to perform at the comedy club later that evening, Rogan calls time so they can get ready for their sets. White confirms he is closing Thursday night's shows to prepare for an upcoming run in Florida and a busy stretch across Texas. Jamie pulls up the schedule on `tatersalad.com` to review White's upcoming appearances:
- **Jacksonville, Florida**: September 11th
- **Daytona Beach, Florida**: September 12th
- **Sarasota, Florida**: September 13th
- **Grand Prairie, Texas**: September 18th (celebrating his 40th anniversary in stand-up comedy)
- **Las Vegas, Nevada**: Upcoming shows at The Cosmopolitan's 2,300-seat theater (The Chelsea), where White enjoys staying at The Mansion at MGM Grand and playing golf.
Rogan congratulates White on his four-decade career and high-end Vegas living, and the two exchange affectionate farewells before wrapping up the episode.
## Video description
Ron White is a comedian, actor, and author. He is currently on tour.
Comedians Joe Rogan and Ron White argue that creative independence and personal autonomy are increasingly threatened by political corruption, corporate lobbying, and institutional overreach. Drawing on their decades in entertainment, they assert that lasting fulfillment requires purposeful work, physical discipline, and free expression untainted by dogmatic censorship.
The Modern Stand-Up Ecosystem and Creative Autonomy (6:44)
Rogan and White examine the changing mechanics of stand-up comedy, drawing a sharp distinction between disciplined joke writing and disposable crowd work popularized on social media. White strictly prohibits his opening acts from bantering with the audience to maintain theatrical boundaries and show hierarchy. Rogan argues that live platforms like Tony Hinchcliffe's Kill Tony have replaced the legacy Hollywood sitcom model, creating an independent infrastructure that catapults seasoned road comics directly into national arena tours.
Addressing online backlash labeling the Comedy Mothership an exclusive 'walled garden,' Rogan attributes outside criticism to resentment of an authentic artistic space. Both comics emphasize that live comedy requires absolute leeway to push boundaries—highlighting veteran comic Brian Holtzman's abrasive, dark style—arguing that audiences, rather than ideological censors, must naturally dictate what succeeds or fails on stage.
Reproductive Freedom, Autonomy, and Texas State Politics (53:48)
White reveals he voted for Kamala Harris primarily to defend women's bodily autonomy against state interference, arguing that pregnancy complications and reproductive choices must remain strictly between families and their physicians. While Rogan expresses deep unease regarding late-term elective abortions that lack gestational limits—referencing recent Massachusetts legislation—both strongly condemn hardline statutes that prohibit abortion in cases of rape and incest.
The conversation expands to state-level governance in Texas, where White commends Representative James Talarico for opposing school voucher programs that divert public tax dollars to selective private institutions. White and Rogan criticize Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton over his impeachment and taxpayer-funded whistleblower settlements. They also criticize state leaders for prohibiting recreational cannabis and commercial casino gaming, noting that prohibition merely surrenders substantial state revenue to bordering tribal facilities like Oklahoma's WinStar World Casino.
Systemic Corruption, Foreign Entanglements, and Political Grift (108:08)
Rogan and White denounce the corrupting influence of money in American politics, with White advocating strict legal caps on campaign donations and Rogan urging an outright ban on corporate donors and paid lobbyists. Rogan dismisses the theoretical concept of a 'benevolent dictator,' arguing that political institutions inevitably filter for power brokers and opportunists. He criticizes the messianic devotion directed at Donald Trump as well as the Democratic Party's managed primaries that sidelined candidates like Bernie Sanders.
Discussing foreign policy, White recalls encountering cold receptions across Switzerland and Italy, where a local driver explained that Europeans deeply resent American military strikes and trade tariffs. White and Rogan review historical data indicating near-continuous American military engagements since World War II, lamenting that campaign promises to halt foreign conflicts routinely give way to protracted, undeclared foreign operations.
Aging, Physical Optimization, and Rejecting Idle Retirement (14:50)
As White approaches his 70th birthday and marks 40 years in stand-up comedy, both men reject the conventional ideal of a passive retirement. Rogan cites Jordan Peterson's observation that indefinite leisure on a beach breeds depression, maintaining that an active mind requires ongoing challenge and creative output.
To sustain long-term mobility, White describes his use of testosterone replacement therapy and human growth hormone, which provided significant stamina during mountain hikes in Switzerland, while Rogan recommends rotational kettlebell exercises to preserve core power and offset lean muscle loss from Ozempic. Their shared civic engagement in Texas is underscored by their joint donation of an amphibious Sherp rescue vehicle, which local emergency personnel deployed for multiple days to rescue residents during severe flash floods in Wimberley.
While Rogan and White find personal agency through artistic independence, physical maintenance, and local civic contributions, they leave unresolved how an electorate can overcome institutional gridlock, campaign grift, and entrenched party dominance without structural campaign finance reform.
## Background
本期节目由 YouTube 频道 PowerfulJRE 于 2026 年 9 月 17 日发布，时长约为 2 小时 28 分钟。视频简介介绍嘉宾罗恩·怀特（Ron White）是一名资深脱口秀演员、演员兼作家，目前正在进行全美巡演。
## TL;DR
在长达两个半小时的深度对话中，乔·罗根与老牌脱口秀巨星罗恩·怀特回溯了各自数十年喜剧生涯的残酷打磨，细致对比了从当年的“蓝领喜剧巡演”到如今现象级节目《Kill Tony》对行业生态的重塑。两人一边抽着神秘雪茄、畅谈经典美式肌肉车的改装与高尔夫竞技，一边对加州的官僚繁文缛节与得克萨斯州的政治腐败、大麻及博彩限制展开犀利讽刺。对谈还深入探讨了欧洲地缘冲突、自然灾难救援、宗教原教旨主义与末日论，展现了两位喜剧老将对社会荒诞现状与人生哲理的透彻审视。
## Atmosphere & style
整场播客散发着老友重逢般的惬意与松弛，弥漫着雪茄烟草与老派美式幽默的醇厚气息。两位老将的互动在荤冷不忌的自嘲调侃与严肃深刻的社会伦理反思之间自如切换，情绪弧线从早年苦熬岁月的江湖豪情，自然过渡到痛斥官僚腐败时的辛辣激昂，最终落脚于对生死与修行的平静释然。聆听时宛如坐在深夜昏暗的脱口秀后台绿室，亲历一场既火花四溅又充满烟火温情的真实交心。
## Bulletin
- [10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=600s) Ron White 迎来脱口秀生涯40周年，回顾早年通过“蓝领喜剧巡演”（Blue Collar Comedy Tour）突破瓶颈的历程，并强调扎实文本创作远比现场互动（Crowd Work）更为根本。
- [35:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2145s) Joe Rogan 透露正在奥斯汀美洲赛道（COTA）筹建全新播客演播室，计划紧扣 F1 美国大奖赛档期，融合超级跑车赛道试驾与深度嘉宾访谈。
- [01:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4800s) 加州能源委员会通过替换轮胎能效新规，强制要求降低滚动阻力，Rogan 与 White 批评其官僚作风剥夺了低收入群体购买平价轮胎的选择权。
- [01:02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3738s) 两人对德克萨斯州政坛现状与大麻禁令展开尖锐批评，揭露酒精游说集团对政策的绑架，并痛批总检察长 Ken Paxton 贪腐丑闻让纳税人承担了数百万美元损失。
## Key takeaways
- [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=0s) 现场互动（Crowd Work）常被年轻演员当作填补时长的工具，脱口秀的核心底色始终是扎实的文本与叙事功底。
- [07:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=420s) 《Kill Tony》成为现代脱口秀生态的“新好莱坞”，直接反哺纯粹的线下脱口秀巡演票房，替代了过去依赖传统电视情景喜剧试镜的成名路径。
- [10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=600s) 在遭遇重大曝光契机前，演员必须经过长期俱乐部主咖的底层磨砺，缺乏扎实内容的过早曝光往往会导致毁灭性的票房反噬。
- [15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=900s) 退休与无所事事容易导致空虚与抑郁，唯有经历长期的高强度专注与辛勤付出，休假与身心放松才具有实质意义。
- [22:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1365s) 古巴雪茄的核心壁垒不仅在于特定区域的风土条件，更依赖世代传承的手工卷烟师团队与深厚文化底蕴。
- [30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1800s) 专业赛车手的感官敏感度非比寻常，能够通过细微的底盘动态与轮胎抓地力瞬间做出极致调校与判断。
- [42:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2529s) 力量训练与荷尔蒙替代疗法（HRT）的核心目标不是健美类固醇滥用，而是对抗机能衰退、维系充沛精力并保持心理健康。
- [52:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3153s) 社会当前的主要矛盾在于“理性与疯狂”的对立，过度意识形态化和非黑即白的站队掩盖了对常识与人道底线的审视。
- [01:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3600s) 德州公立学校推行的教育券政策本质上挪用了公共预算补贴私立机构，损害了偏远县区公立教育的基础资源与师资力量。
- [01:02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3738s) 大麻合法化遭遇阻碍的背后是酒精游说集团的政治献金操控，而年轻人远离酒精与选择大麻正在引发传统酒类市场的全面衰退。
- [01:16:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4594s) 巨额国防军工预算维系着无休止的外部军事冲突，直接导致国内关键基础设施与民生建设长期停滞与资金匮乏。
- [01:49:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6558s) 政治体制中的游说制度与无限政治献金彻底腐蚀了公共权力，导致出台的法律服务于资本财团而非广大民众的根本福祉。
- [01:56:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7010s) 对待性别焦虑应保有同理心，但绝不能让情绪化表达凌驾于客观生物学事实之上，尤其应严禁对青少年过早实施不可逆的激进医疗干预。
- [02:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7500s) 在网络极化与社交监控时代，公众人物偶尔的跨界失言极易被无限放大，但真正具备顶级才华的艺术家通常具备强大的职业韧性。
- [02:22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8550s) 宗教末世论往往削弱了人们建设美好世界的动力，很多殿堂级单口喜剧演员的舞台煽动与控场技艺最早正是脱胎于传统教会布道。
## Detailed walkthrough
### [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=0s) 暖场规矩、现场互动（Crowd Work）与脱口秀打磨
节目开场，Joe Rogan 与知名脱口秀老将 Ron White 闲聊起在后台绿室遇到的年轻演员，提到了 Matt Rife 的表现。两人随即针对脱口秀行业里越来越普遍的“现场互动”（Crowd Work）展开了探讨。Ron White 直言自己并不感冒现场互动，甚至在巡演中立下铁律——绝对禁止自己的暖场嘉宾在台上和台下观众互动。Ron 解释道，如果开场嘉宾跟台下聊起天来，观众就会误以为待会儿自己登台时也能随便插嘴搭话，“那绝对不行”。在 Ron 看来，现场互动最初只是年轻脱口秀演员的“拖时间工具”：当年自己手里只有 41 分钟的好段子，却必须撑满 45 分钟的时长，为了把空缺填上，不得不和台下那帮“乡巴佬”闲聊四分钟；一旦自己打磨出了扎实完整的段子，他就坚决只讲写好的笑话。
Joe Rogan 虽理解 Ron 的立场，但指出高质量的即兴互动确实依赖极其强大的即兴喜剧肌肉，因为在聚光灯与众目睽睽的高压之下当场想出包袱难度极大，这种紧迫感往往会让一句平常的话产生奇佳的现场笑果。然而两人也承认其局限性：这类包袱是一次性的，演完就无法复用。他们提到了极少数能将互动与传统段子无缝融合的大师，例如 Rick Ingraham 以及 Big Jay Oakerson。Joe 盛赞 Big Jay 懂得以极佳的节奏控制全场，面对观众的离谱发言能够沉得住气停顿留白，且本身就是一位极其擅长讲故事的顶级脱口秀演员，绝非那种只靠互动掩盖创作缺陷的半吊子。Ron 对此深有同感，常听到如今的年轻演员感叹“我得去练练现场互动了”，但脱口秀的核心底色始终还是扎实的文本与段子创作。
- **禁止开场互动的深层原因**：防止台下观众形成可以随时打断台上演员的预期，确保主秀登台时场面不受干扰。
- **互动大师范例**：Rick Ingraham 的无缝衔接能力，以及 Big Jay Oakerson 顶级的控场节奏、停顿留白和叙事功底。
- **同行趣事**：两人提及 Pat O'Neill 极其高产的写段子能力，称其为不折不扣的“段子机器”（Joke Machine）。
---
### [03:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=180s) 《Kill Tony》的金牌入场券与年轻黑马们
话题转向了当红现场播客节目《Kill Tony》。Ron White 提到前几天周一晚在俱乐部录制时，有一位来自阿拉巴马州的年轻演员拿下了节目的“金牌入场券”（Golden Ticket）。Joe 和制作团队核对名字后确认该演员是 Brent Reid。Brent Reid 之前曾在俱乐部打工做服务工作，第一次上《Kill Tony》时表现不佳当场搞砸；随后他在得州奥斯汀沉下心打磨内容，第二次登台时坦诚且松弛，凭借极高质量的文本彻底引爆全场。Ron 透露自己当场就被这小伙子逗乐了，主动邀请他担任自己今晚巡演演出的暖场嘉宾。Brent 当时兴奋到难以置信，立刻给父亲打电话报喜：“我要去给 Ron White 暖场了！”Ron 感叹自己看脱口秀早已审美疲劳，在看台上能让自己笑出声的年轻人凤毛麟角，Brent 的写作水准确实非常过硬。
与 Brent 同场竞技的还有另一位演员，以类似自嘲式的艺名“The Comedy Cellar”（Steve Francois）登台，同样凭借出众的现场采访对话和极其幽默的表现拿下了当晚的另一张金牌入场券，成就了极为罕见的“连续两张金牌入场券”。面对前一位演员炸场的巨大压力，Brent Reid 依然顶住压力把场子彻底引爆。此外，两人还盛赞了同在当晚阵容中的 Dedrick Flynn。Dedrick 曾困在亚特兰大的喜剧圈里原地打转、陷入瓶颈，搬到奥斯汀登上《Kill Tony》后一战成名。Joe 强调，这种平台是天赐良机，但前提是演员必须在私下做好万全准备，否则机会闪过时只会沦为过眼云烟。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Kill Tony 喜剧新人跃升路径
accDescr: 展现年轻脱口秀演员通过线下打磨、节目爆火并最终获得顶级巡演资源的路径。
subgraph 打磨积累阶段
A["巡演跑场 / 俱乐部打工 (7-10年磨炼)"]
B["沉淀完整段子 (克服初次登台失误)"]
end
subgraph 爆发跳板阶段
C["登上 Kill Tony (1分钟炸场表现)"]
D["赢得 Golden Ticket / 征服全场"]
end
subgraph 资源跃升阶段
E["大牌演员提携 (如 Ron White 巡演暖场)"]
F["全美知名度与个人专场巡演"]
end
A --> B
B --> C
C --> D
D --> E
D --> F
```
- **欧洲度假闲聊**：Ron 顺带提到自己刚从欧洲度过 21 天假期归来，途径意大利科莫湖（Lake Como）、维罗纳（Verona）以及瑞士采尔马特（Zermatt），成功避开了得克萨斯州 107 华氏度（约 41.7 摄氏度）的酷暑。
- **Dedrick Flynn 的突破**：从亚特兰大的漫长沉寂中突围，依靠舞台上独树一帜的松弛台风一举成名。
- **平台的残酷性**：若演员没有七到十年的扎实积累，面对一分钟的巨大曝光舞台极易露馅；但一旦准备就绪，这一分钟就能彻底改变职业轨迹。
---
### [07:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=420s) Tony Hinchcliffe 的天才主持与脱口秀界的“新好莱坞情景喜剧”
Joe Rogan 与 Ron White 对 Tony Hinchcliffe 及其打造的《Kill Tony》给予了极高的赞誉。Joe 回忆道，早在该节目在洛杉矶创办大约四五年的时候，他就曾郑重告诫 Tony：“无论发生什么，绝对不要停下这个节目。”当时 Joe 就预言这会成为喜剧界有史以来体量最庞大的现象级节目，因为 Tony 敏锐且尖锐的即兴主持功底天下无双，没有任何人能够替代。如今，《Kill Tony》已经能够连续两晚售罄纽约麦迪逊广场花园（Madison Square Garden），其火爆程度让 Ron White 也不禁自嘲“连我都希望自己能卖爆麦迪逊花园两晚”。
两人深入分析了《Kill Tony》对当代脱口秀生态的重塑。在过去，脱口秀演员改变阶级命运的唯一传统通道是“被好莱坞看中去演情景喜剧”，当年圈内朋友只要在某部情景喜剧中混到一个配角，大家就会觉得看到了出头希望；而如今，《Kill Tony》成为了脱口秀界的“新好莱坞”。像 Ari Matti、William Montgomery 等演员，通过这个舞台迅速积累起全美甚至全球范围的狂热死忠粉——连摇滚乐队 The Black Keys 来俱乐部时，都专程指名想要在后台见到 William Montgomery。更重要的是，这个新时代的跳板不再要求演员妥协转型去演电视剧，而是让脱口秀演员凭借纯粹的单口喜剧功力，直接获得支撑自身专场巡演的完整职业生涯。
- **麦迪逊广场花园战绩**：《Kill Tony》创下连续两晚门票全部售罄的行业奇迹。
- **正向因果与行业生态**：脱口秀新人不用依附传统电视网试镜，优秀的新面孔能直接被观众和老牌大咖（如 Ron White 亲自挑选暖场）看到并接纳。
- **新旧成名路径对比**：传统模式依赖情景喜剧试镜角色，而《Kill Tony》模式直接反哺纯粹的线下脱口秀巡演票房。
### [10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=600s) 脱口秀的残酷生态与“蓝领喜剧”的破局时刻
罗恩·怀特（Ron White）坦言，脱口秀是他这辈子唯一干过的工作，这是一门极其奇特且不稳定的行当——除了讲笑话，你没有任何退路或跳板。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）深表赞同，指出几乎所有脱口秀演员在心理上都极其脆弱，长年深陷在票房起伏、维持存在感的焦虑中，拼命等待生命中的那个“催化剂”。对罗恩而言，那个颠覆人生的转折点正是“蓝领喜剧巡演”（Blue Collar Comedy Tour）。虽然现在的年轻观众可能早已对这个名字感到陌生，但在当年它是一场现象级的风暴；许多同辈人至今仍感到不可思议：为什么后来没有其他四位同级别的顶尖喜剧演员成功复制这种组团巡演的模式？
罗根将这种模式与如今托尼·欣奇克利夫（Tony Hinchcliffe）的现场喜剧秀《Kill Tony》中的“杀手军团”（The Killers of Kill Tony）相提并论。罗恩指出，当年蓝领巡演启动时，唯一下得起票房重注的真正巨星只有杰夫·福克斯沃西（Jeff Foxworthy），正是杰夫毫无保留地愿意与他共享舞台，才彻底点燃了他的事业。但这份成功绝非偶然：在登上那个舞台之前，罗恩已经在脱口秀界摸爬滚打了整整 14 年，其中更有 11 年是在全美各地的喜剧俱乐部担任压轴主咖（Headliner）。
两人探讨了打磨基本功与突获名声之间的危险平衡。脱口秀没有任何捷径，唯有在巡演路上用时间堆砌经验。罗根指出，《Kill Tony》这类舞台最残酷的地方在于，它能让那些苦熬多年、处于破局边缘的人一飞冲天；但如果你毫无准备，搞砸了就只能灰溜溜回去继续送 Uber Eats 外卖。罗恩庆幸自己没有在羽翼未丰时过早走红——很多年轻演员仅凭赢得某场比赛就突然能卖出大量门票，但腹中空空根本撑不起整场演出，最终只会迅速坠入万劫不复的“死亡螺旋”。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 脱口秀演员职业路径对比
accDescr: 对比长期打磨与过早曝光两种不同路径对演员职业生涯造成的截然相反的后果。
subgraph Prep ["基本功打磨阶段"]
A["常年俱乐部巡演磨砺<br/>（10年以上俱乐部主咖经历）"]
B["过早赢得比赛或爆红<br/>（缺乏成熟舞台内容支撑）"]
end
subgraph Catalyst ["机遇催化点"]
C["遭遇重大曝光契机<br/>（如蓝领巡演、Kill Tony）"]
end
subgraph Outcome ["终局对比"]
D["承接流量并稳定变现<br/>开启体育馆/影院巡演"]
E["遭遇舞台滑铁卢<br/>坠入票房暴跌的死亡螺旋"]
end
A --> C --> D
B --> C --> E
```
- 罗恩·怀特在加盟蓝领喜剧巡演前，已从事脱口秀 14 年，担任俱乐部压轴主咖 11 年。
- 杰夫·福克斯沃西是当时四人组中唯一的既成巨星，他的提携促成了巡演的爆发。
- 演员在台下常常承受极端的生活压力：酗酒、吸毒、背负国税局（IRS）高达 5 万美元的税债；而当这样千疮百孔的艺术家终于冲破瓶颈并赚到体面的生活时，那种场面令人动容。
---
### [12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=750s) 喜剧店停车场的豪车与“暴富后今朝有酒今朝醉”的消费观
罗根回忆起老牌喜剧俱乐部“喜剧工坊”（The Comedy Store）后方停车场的魔幻景象。那个停车场就像脱口秀行业的即时经济晴雨表，停放的车辆极端两极分化，从来见不到中间档次的家用车：要么是快要报废的破烂雪佛兰 Vega，要么就是一夜暴富后买下的全新奔驰、法拉利、保时捷或科尔维特。演员们要么穷得叮当响，要么兜里揣着大把现金，一旦赚到钱就会立刻换一辆顶级新车。
罗根提到自己曾极力劝说马克·马龙（Marc Maron）和阿里·沙菲尔（Ari Shaffir）买辆好车犒劳自己，但两人死活不肯。罗根当时买了一辆宝马 M3，他极力向马龙推销这款车“驾驶感妙不可言，配有碳纤维陶瓷刹车，开起来稳如轨道车，不用开太快就能享受操控乐趣”，但马龙一听价格就彻底打了退堂鼓。罗恩对这种心态深有体会：在刚开始赚大钱时，他时刻坚信这副盛景随时会轰然倒塌（绝大多数艺人最终确实如此），因此心态紧绷，只想趁大厦倾覆前尽可能疯狂演出、疯狂揽钱。但令他意外的是，他的事业不仅没有崩盘，反而一直红火下去；后来他甚至尝试主动退休放慢脚步，但发现这行实在太好玩，根本停不下来。
罗根坦言，自己年轻时即便上了电视节目也毫无攒钱意识，花钱大手大脚，尽情享受暴发户般的派头。他的逻辑非常直接：“如果好运到头了，那我就接受；但我绝不会为了‘以后能一直过普通生活’而‘现在委屈自己过普通生活’。”他早年经历过汽车被贷款公司收回（Repossession）的赤贫日子，因此毫不畏惧再次破产，当下的信条就是“既然现在有钱上电视，那就给我提辆好车，今晚叫所有人来我家狂欢”。
- 喜剧工坊停车场生态：要么是破旧代步车，要么是豪车超跑（Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette），没有中产阶级过渡车型。
- 罗根极力向马克·马龙推荐宝马 M3 的操控性与碳陶瓷刹车系统，但马龙因价格望而却步。
- 罗根的消费哲学：宁愿把钱花光也不在当红时期为了遥远的未来压抑消费欲望，做好随时重新破产的心理准备。
---
### [15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=900s) 瑞士的顶级基建、退休悖论与一美元的“付费厕所”
刚在瑞士度过了三周奢华假期的罗恩感叹，那种生活确实享受，但他绝不可能常年如此过下去。罗根非常赞同并引用了乔丹·彼得森（Jordan Peterson）关于“退休悖论”的观点：大众常常将退休幻想为“坐在沙滩上喝着玛格丽塔酒”，但现实是，一个人到底能喝多少杯鸡尾酒？在沙滩上无所事事地坐上几周，人就会陷入严重的抑郁和空虚，即便买得起豪华游艇，在上面漂一阵子也会无聊到发疯。罗根认为，罗恩之所以能享受度假，是因为他在台下倾注了海量心血打磨段子、常年高强度巡演，“唯有先付出汗水，悠闲躺在阳光下让人端茶递水的放松才有意义”。年近七十的罗恩深表认同，但他觉得 20 天的高端度假已经足够，必须回归工作。
谈到瑞士，罗恩赞不绝口。除了令人屏息的自然风光和隔壁迷人的意大利科莫湖（Lake Como），最让他震撼的是瑞士的公共基础设施。对比美国深陷 40 万亿美元的国债却连一条像样的高铁都造不出来，瑞士甚至能让一个 70 岁的老人轻松登顶任何一座险峻山峰：无缝衔接的列车、直接贯穿山体内部的螺旋隧道工程，紧接着换乘高空缆车直达顶峰。罗根指出，瑞士历史上著名的中立国地位以及庞大的银行业聚集了天文数字的财富，且他们从不在战争上耗费一分钱。
然而，瑞士之行唯一让罗恩抓狂的是当地的“付费公厕”。他内急想去大便，却发现公厕闸机要求必须投入 1 瑞士法郎的硬币：
- **支付壁垒**：投币机不收欧元，也不收美元现金。
- **荒诞的信用借贷**：罗恩气得质问这简直是“排泄歧视”——难道身上没硬币的人就不配拉屎？他一度被逼得想直接拉在地上，直到排在后面的游客提醒他可以刷信用卡。罗恩自嘲道：“我居然得靠向银行借钱、分期付款，才能拉出一泡屎！”
- 罗根听后大笑，调侃道至少这种机制把流民挡在了厕所门外，但也认同如今连上厕所都应该普及 Apple Pay，直接一刷闸机就能冲进隔间。
---
### [17:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1065s) 维京邮轮风波：在阳台上飞叶子被船长当众驱逐
话题从欧洲的经历延伸开来，罗恩讲起了自己大约一年前在法国乘坐维京内河邮轮（Viking Cruises）时被直接赶下船的荒诞遭遇。
登船前，罗恩就清楚此行大概率会惹上麻烦，因为他的行李里塞满了大麻（Weed）和 THC 软糖。但他抱有一种侥幸心理：“先看看能瞒过什么，被抓了就抵赖，大不了每次靠岸停泊时我走下船去抽，反正我无所谓。”然而维京邮轮管理层的铁腕手段远远超出了他的预期。船长最终在一大群乘客面前公开找他对质，态度极其严厉、嗓门极大，当众痛斥罗恩是个“骗子”（Liar）。
罗根好奇地问他当时到底有没有说谎。罗恩辩解称自己其实没说谎，事情的起因是此前酒店经理（Hotel Manager）曾亲自找过他。那位经理态度非常温和友善，明确向罗恩交代规矩：“听着，你绝对不能在客舱房间里吸大麻，但如果你想在自己的私人阳台甲板上抽，那是可以的。”罗恩自以为拿到了“许可”，便心安理得地坐在阳台上吞云吐雾；但他粗心大意地没有把通往室内的滑动玻璃门关严，导致浓烟倒灌并向外飘散。更要命的是，邮轮的码头栈道正好紧挨着他的阳台，码头上人来人往，而罗恩正神情自若地瘫坐在一大团大麻浓烟之中吞云吐雾，直接将整艘船的管理层逼向了暴怒的边缘。
### [20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1200s) 邮轮上的大麻风波与随之点燃的“神秘”雪茄
罗恩·怀特（Ron White）分享了自己在邮轮上吸大麻惹来的麻烦。当时邮轮船长找他谈话并在走廊里当面将他训斥了一顿。罗恩反驳说自己是在工作人员指定的位置抽的，但船长却坚持指控他是在套房浴室里抽的，导致大麻味飘进了全船的通风系统。罗恩对此极为恼火，直斥船长是在凭空捏造、当面叫他骗子，并提醒对方自己花大价钱买了套房是尊贵客户。然而，船长在训完之后话锋一转，悄悄表示如果罗恩愿意去最顶层甲板抽，自己可以“睁一只眼闭一只眼”。罗恩无语地吐槽：“你一开始就这么说不就结了，何必先劈头盖脸把我骂一顿？”
乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）顺势探讨了大麻在欧洲的法律地位。罗恩表示，虽然自己可能理亏，且大麻名义上违法，但在巴黎等地随便办张卡就能买到，管制并没有那么严苛。罗根感慨如今还把大麻当成违法重罪简直荒谬，尽管他也承认大麻的气味对不抽烟的人和带小孩的家庭来说确实极其刺鼻。
紧接着，罗恩在录音室里掏出雪茄，开玩笑说是“重罪物品”。他给罗根也分了一支，并神秘兮兮地表示不能透露其产地，只含糊地称来自“某个外国”。罗根调侃这莫非是古巴雪茄，并坚称现在拥有古巴雪茄可能是合法的，怀疑目前对古巴雪茄有一定数量的豁免配额。两人点燃雪茄后赞不绝口，罗根直呼这味道让人仿佛置身南佛罗里达，品质极其纯正。罗恩则打趣说自己是在瑞士买的，所以它们“肯定是瑞士雪茄”。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 邮轮大麻冲突与雪茄合规性讨论
accDescr: 展示罗恩在邮轮上的大麻风波以及随后引出的古巴雪茄法律与历史话题
subgraph CruiseIncident["邮轮大麻风波"]
A["罗恩按指引吸食大麻"] --> B["船长指控烟味进入浴室通风管"]
B --> C["双方争执后达成默契：<br/>允许移步顶层甲板抽"]
end
subgraph CigarLegality["雪茄法律与来源"]
D["罗恩拿出神秘高档雪茄"] --> E["探讨古巴雪茄合法性"]
E --> F["查阅CBP政策：<br/>2020年取消个人免税带入<br/>海外购买严禁带入美国本土"]
F --> G["罗恩调侃：在瑞士买的<br/>所以算'瑞士雪茄'"]
end
CruiseIncident --> CigarLegality
```
- **古巴雪茄进口禁令规定**：杰米（Young Jamie）协助检索了美国海关及边境保卫局（CBP）的法规。在2020年9月之前，美国旅客曾被允许携带限量古巴雪茄回国供个人享用，但该豁免政策随后已被彻底取消。根据最新规定，受美国管辖的人员在境外某些情况下可以购买古巴商品，但严禁将古巴原产的烟草制品进口至美国。
- **高仿泛滥与运送手段**：罗恩透露高希霸（Cohiba）是全世界被仿冒最多的雪茄品牌。他以前有个英国朋友帮他寄雪茄，为了避税与通关，对方会把雪茄环标全剥下来装进单独的信封，再把光溜溜的雪茄整盒寄给他。
---
### [22:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1365s) 大卫杜夫的传奇迁移与古巴卷烟师的世代传承
聊到瑞士，罗根和罗恩谈起了传奇雪茄品牌大卫杜夫（Davidoff）的创始人季诺·大卫杜夫（Zeno Davidoff）。大卫杜夫原本在古巴制作雪茄，但他嗅觉极其敏锐，在古巴政局变动和禁运风暴全面来临之前，就率先把雪茄烟草种子转移到了多米尼加共和国，并在当地开辟种植园，同时将古巴顶尖的卷烟师团队一并迁了过去。禁运爆发后的一段时期内，大卫杜夫几乎成了市面上唯一能买到的顶级雪茄。
两人深入探讨了古巴雪茄为何无法被超越。除了极少数特定区域独一无二的风土条件外，最核心的壁垒在于世代传承的卷烟师（rollers）。在古巴传统的卷烟大厅里，甚至会专门安排朗读员坐在前方高台给工人们读书读报，卷烟工人在文化熏陶中手工卷制出一支支口感惊艳的经典雪茄。由于卷烟师的手艺如此不可替代，历史上甚至有大烟草公司为了抢夺某批卷烟师而直接收购一整家雪茄厂，随后彻底停掉原有的产品线。罗恩回忆起过去在迈阿密喜力即兴喜剧俱乐部（Miami Improv）演出时，常去当地的小哈瓦那观看从古巴流亡过来的老手艺人现场切叶、卷烟并直接销售，手艺叹为观止。虽然多米尼加和尼加拉瓜如今也能产出极佳的雪茄，但与真正的顶级古巴雪茄相比，依然存在着微妙的差距。
---
### [25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1500s) 禁运前古巴雪茄的收藏狂潮、JFK的囤货轶事与网购测伪
罗恩提到了雪茄界一个合法的特殊品类——“禁运前古巴雪茄”（Pre-embargo Cuban cigars）。根据法律，只要是在1962年禁运生效之前卷制并运入美国的古巴雪茄，在本土流通和交易完全合法。这些老雪茄必须长年保存在严格控温控湿的雪茄保湿盒（humidor）中。罗恩讲述了当年的历史：一百多年前普通雪茄只卖一便士，而古巴雪茄要卖五便士；起初大家觉得没人会买，结果因品质出众大受欢迎。禁运消息走漏前夕，许多美国富豪疯狂扫货并建造大型保湿库，等这些富豪去世后，其遗产中的老雪茄便流入了拍卖市场。罗根补充道，前总统约翰·F·肯尼迪（JFK）在签署对古巴的贸易禁运法令前，就曾派人秘密在市场上大肆搜刮、囤积了极大量的古巴雪茄，随后才正式签署禁运法令，罗恩忍不住连骂肯尼迪“真是个精明的混蛋”。
| 雪茄类别/话题 | 核心背景与细节 | 市场与法律状态 |
|:--- |:--- |:--- |
| **禁运前古巴雪茄 (Pre-embargo)** | 1962年贸易禁运实施前生产并运入美国的正品古巴雪茄。肯尼迪在签署禁运令前夕曾指派助手大量囤购该类雪茄。 | 在美国完全合法流通，是富豪收藏品，单支售价极高（如旧金山费尔蒙酒店单支售价曾达200美元以上）。 |
| **Reddit/网购分级判定** | 制作团队在Reddit搜索禁运前古巴雪茄图片时，发现相关帖子被标记为NSFW（工作场所不宜/18禁内容）。 | 两人笑称雪茄对爱好者而言如同“视觉软色情”。 |
| **网上低价雪茄包** | 搜到所谓禁运前或古巴烟草雪茄（如Camacho相关产品），标价仅25美元左右一捆（5支装）。 | 价格过低引发假货质疑；罗根与罗恩决定当场下单买一捆送去脱口秀俱乐部亲自“人肉试抽”。 |
在查找资料时，杰米发现Reddit上关于1962年禁运前雪茄的照片居然被系统自动标记为“NSFW（18禁/不适合上班浏览）”，这让两人大为费解，开玩笑说雪茄简直成了烟民的“纯色情片”。当看到网上有一款标称含有禁运前古巴烟草的雪茄包竟然只要25至300美元不等（甚至出现5支装仅几十美元的极端低价）时，罗恩和罗根一致断定这绝对是假货，这就好比在网上低价买假Air Jordan球鞋一样容易踩坑。
不过，评论区里充满戏剧性：一名用户留言称自己买的第一包吸阻极大、完全抽不动，但因为卖家附赠了一张手写感谢卡，他又买了第二包，结果体验惊为天人，称其为“无可挑剔的年度最佳”。出于强烈的好奇心，罗根当场指示杰米直接加入购物车下一单买五支，表示自己和罗恩要带去喜剧俱乐部（Comedy Mothership）亲自点燃验货，笑称“反正自己买过的蠢东西多了去了，就算被骗也无所谓”。
### [30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1800s) 罗恩·怀特的1956年克尔维特：纳斯卡车手调校与肌肉车情怀
乔·罗根向罗恩·怀特问起他那辆经典的雪佛兰克尔维特（Corvette）。罗恩透露，菲尔·麦格劳博士的儿子杰·麦格劳（Jay McGraw）一直想从他手里买下这辆车，但罗恩坚决不卖。罗根也强烈支持他留着，直言这辆车独一无二，“等你哪天去世了，这车拿去拍卖绝对能值一大笔钱”。罗恩早前曾在这辆车的后备箱里定制了一个小酒吧，但后来拆掉了，因为车子没有顶棚，下雨或暴晒都很麻烦。这辆车的改装是由奥斯汀本土著名的 Colvin Automotive（凯西·科尔文主理）以及亚特兰大的团队共同操刀，而底盘悬挂调校则大有来头——由纳斯卡名将库尔特·布施（Kurt Busch）的专业车队亲自完成。
当时布施正好在椭圆赛道上进行轮胎测试，得知罗恩正在组装这辆车，便让他把车运到赛道进行专业设定。罗恩回忆起当时的画面依然心惊肉跳：网上甚至有视频记录了布施开着这辆刚喷完漆的爱车在赛道上飙到每小时170英里并疯狂甩尾画甜甜圈，罗恩当时在场边心疼得直骂娘。测试结束后，布施给出了不可置疑的专业建议：“我们必须把车头降低一英寸。”罗恩刚想开口讨论，对方就直接打断表示“你不需要问为什么”，罗恩只能乖乖照办。罗根感叹专业赛车手的感官敏感度非比常人，“他们是用屁股在感受赛车”，哪怕外倾角差一点点、推头或转向过度，甚至轮胎抓地力的细微变化，他们瞬间就能察觉。
这辆车极其轻巧，马力却超过500匹，开起来甚至让罗恩感到一丝畏惧。为了解决过去冷车启动不顺畅的问题，罗恩最近给它换装了燃油喷射系统（Fuel Injection），告别了老旧的化油器（Carburetor）。两人感慨起老式化油器虽然会让车厢弥漫刺鼻的汽油味，但对从小看着肌肉车长大的一代人来说，那种汽油味代表着无可替代的纯正美式情怀。罗恩调侃道，这辆克尔维特是1956年出厂的，跟他同岁（接近70岁），车子虽然“老骥伏枥”，但除了外壳和部分车架，里子已经全换成了现代高性能赛车零件。
- 杰·麦格劳多次求购罗恩的1956年雪佛兰克尔维特，罗恩拒绝出售。
- 纳斯卡冠军库尔特·布施在椭圆赛道以170 mph（约273 km/h）极限测试并甩尾，随后强制要求将前悬挂降低1英寸。
- 动力系统由化油器升级为燃油喷射系统，输出功率超过500马力。
### [33:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2010s) 乔·罗根的机械增压克尔维特与史蒂夫·斯特鲁普的深度改装
罗恩转而盛赞罗根拥有的那辆克尔维特是他见过“最漂亮的一辆”，原本自诩在克尔维特收藏上难逢敌手的罗恩在第一次看到罗根的车时也被深深折服。罗根解释说，这辆车刚买来时完全不是现在这副模样，当时内饰极其廉价粗糙，用的是类似C4或C5克尔维特那种松垮糟糕的座椅，排挡杆手感极差，动力也显得疲软。唯一可取的是它已经安装了高规格的 Art Morrison 底盘。
为了彻底拯救这辆车，罗根把它交给了知名汽车定制大师史蒂夫·斯特鲁普（Steve Stroop）。斯特鲁普团队升级了全套悬挂系统，换装了带机械增压（Supercharger）的 LS V8发动机，输出功率跃升至约550马力，车身自重依然非常轻盈。同时，整车内饰被推倒重做，换上了包裹感极强的桶形赛车座椅，升级了更宽的高性能轮胎与刹车系统，并将车身红色的拉花条纹改成了极具质感的纯黑。最具辨识度的是那套定制轮毂，罗根表示这套轮毂在车迷圈评价两极分化严重，“大家要么爱死它，要么恨死它”，但装在这辆车上堪称绝配。这辆车曾登上过《杰·雷诺的爱车屋》（Jay Leno's Garage），而传奇脱口秀主持兼顶级藏车家杰·雷诺也是除罗根之外唯一获准驾驶过这辆车的人。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Joe Rogan Corvette Restomod Architecture
accDescr: 乔·罗根的克尔维特改装演进流程，包含原始状态、底盘悬挂与动力总成升级，以及内饰外观定制。
subgraph Original ["初始购入状态"]
A["Art Morrison 赛车底盘"]
B["劣质C4/C5风格内饰与座椅"]
C["未装机械增压 / 动力平庸"]
end
subgraph Modification ["史蒂夫·斯特鲁普 (Steve Stroop) 操刀重构"]
D["悬挂升级 + 宽胎 + 强化刹车卡钳"]
E["机械增压 LS V8 发动机<br>(输出达550匹马力)"]
F["重新定制座舱与高包裹性桶椅"]
G["车漆拉花转黑 + 定制风格轮毂"]
end
subgraph Outcome ["最终成品与认证"]
H["自重超轻的终极肌肉驾驶机器"]
I["登上《Jay Leno's Garage》节目由雷诺试驾"]
end
Original --> Modification
Modification --> Outcome
```
### [35:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2145s) 赛车场播客演播室企划与福特野马Dark Horse
话题延伸到驾驶乐趣，罗恩表示自己的爱车绝不外借，但唯独愿意让罗根开一次。罗根随即兴奋地透露，他正在奥斯汀美洲赛道（COTA）筹建一个全新的播客演播室。演播室计划在11月左右落成，目标正好赶上世界一级方程式锦标赛（F1）美国大奖赛奥斯汀站的档期。罗根计划届时邀请F1车手、各路音乐人和脱口秀喜剧演员前往赛道演播室录制节目。
罗根构想了一种将赛道狂飙与深度访谈结合的节目形态：他打算拉拢各大汽车制造商合作，把他们最疯狂的新车开上赛道体验。例如福特最新推出、拥有600马力的 Mustang Dark Horse，“我们可以让嘉宾直接下场飙车，尽情体验推背感，拍完照片再回演播室录播客侃大山”。罗恩也深有共鸣地提到，许多职业赛车手在比赛闲暇时都是疯狂的高尔夫球爱好者，他们来到奥斯汀时常常会去罗恩常驻的 Driftwood 高尔夫俱乐部挥杆打球。
- 罗根的赛道播客演播室预计于11月落成，紧扣奥斯汀 F1 赛事节点。
- 节目构想引入汽车厂商高性能车型（如 600 匹马力的 Mustang Dark Horse）供嘉宾试驾，随后展开无拘无束的对谈。
- F1车手及赛车圈业内人士多为高尔夫狂热玩家，常在奥斯汀 Driftwood 球场聚集。
### [37:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2235s) 高尔夫对决射箭、击球码数与579码极限长打王
罗根承认自己未来可能也会“被迫”涉足高尔夫，并将高尔夫的击球逻辑与复合弓射箭进行了对比。罗恩指出两者的相通之处在于每一次出击环境都不相同（距离、风向时刻在变），但关键差异在于机械储能与身体发力机制：射箭拉满弓弦时，能量已经预先储存在器械中，射手只需要专注瞄准与释放；而高尔夫挥杆则要求身体在瞬间自我生成所有的爆发力，发力机制复杂得多。
谈到挥杆距离，罗根夸赞播客制作人杰米·弗农（Jamie Vernon）击球势大力沉，罗恩当场邀请杰米一起去 Driftwood 打球。当被问到开球最远距离时，杰米谨慎地表示自己打出过超过300码，但这取决于球洞布局与进攻策略，并不是纯粹追求码数。罗恩分享了自己的击球数据：作为一个快70岁的人，他的常规击球距离大约在235至240码之间，偶尔击中甜点区能达到255码。罗恩打趣道：“像罗里·麦克罗伊（Rory McIlroy）这种世界顶级职业选手的平均开球距离在325码左右，而且能稳稳停在球道中央，足足比我远了100码！”
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Mechanical Comparison: Archery vs Golf Swing
accDescr: 对比复合弓射箭与高尔夫挥杆在能量储存与释放机制上的本质区别。
subgraph Archery ["传统复合弓射箭"]
direction TB
A1["拉弓蓄力"] --> B1["器械内部储存全部机械势能"]
B1 --> C1["射手主要负责稳定与精确瞄准"]
end
subgraph Golf ["高尔夫挥杆击球"]
direction TB
A2["身体扭转旋转"] --> B2["人体肌肉与核心自发电能与动量"]
B2 --> C2["挥杆击球瞬时释放全部动能"]
end
```
杰米补充澄清，偶尔打出300码与“平均300码”有着天壤之别，不能将职业球员剔除失误后的平均码数同业余选手的极限纪录简单对比。罗根与罗恩随后讨论了专门从事极限远距离击球挑战赛（Long Drive Championship）的选手。这类选手会做出夸张的180度身体反向旋转暴击高尔夫球，开球距离动辄达到400甚至500码以上。罗恩评价道，这种技巧与九球/美式普尔台球里的“开球暴力冲球”（Break Shot）非常相似：极限长打选手使用的是专门定制的高弹性超长球杆，虽然单项爆发力逆天，但往往在正规巡回赛的精准推杆和短杆走位中并不具备统治力。杰米随后调出了世界冠军凯尔·伯克希尔（Kyle Berkshire）轰出不可思议的579码击球录像，超半英里的惊人射程让在场所有人倒吸一口凉气。
- 杰米·弗农开球个人极限超过 300 码；罗恩·怀特平均击球 235-240 码，极限甜点区约 255 码。
- 顶级职业高尔夫球手（如罗里·麦克罗伊）在正规球道上的平均开球距离约在 325 码。
- 极限长打锦标赛世界冠军凯尔·伯克希尔曾借助场地海拔与顺风打出 579 码的惊人世界纪录。
### [40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2400s) 顶级运动员打高尔夫与拉伸诊所的魔力
谈到高尔夫击球距离，打出410码远且能稳稳落在果岭上简直不可思议。两人聊到职业运动员跨界高尔夫的惊人潜力：勒布朗·詹姆斯（LeBron James）最近也开始打球并开了YouTube频道，虽然他日程繁忙没太多时间，但仅仅一年的进步速度就已经非常惊人；UFC名将贾斯汀·盖奇（Justin Gaethje）在与马克斯·霍洛威（Max Holloway）的那场硬仗受伤后，给身体和大脑放了长假，整整一年时间里几乎天天打高尔夫，连丹尼尔·科米尔（DC）都惊叹盖奇的球技突飞猛进。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）指出，顶级MMA拳手只要下定决心，无论玩滑板还是干别的都能做到顶尖，他们身体不仅强壮，而且极具松弛感（loose）。
罗恩·怀特（Ron White）随即分享了自己的身体保养秘诀——去Stretch Zone做拉伸。他形容这是全世界最棒的体验：整整一小时的阻力拉伸，人躺在专用理疗床上，工作人员用束缚带将你固定住，然后以人体自身绝不可能做到的角度和力度进行深度拧转与扭动。怀特表示每次拉伸完下床去打高尔夫，下背部感到前所未有的舒展和解放，并感叹所有打高尔夫的人都应该去试试。
### [42:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2529s) 力量训练、荷尔蒙补充与年轻体态
当罗根询问怀特除了打高尔夫是否做其他力量训练时，怀特坦白自己目前完全不做，顶多愿意尝试弹力带。罗根则极力推荐轻量壶铃训练，他解释说无需大重量，自己状态不佳时也会只拿一个35磅的壶铃做一套流式动作，纯粹为了活动组织、流点汗并增强旋转发力，这对高尔夫击球的爆发力和身体控制至关重要。怀特承认自己此前使用司美格鲁肽（Ozempic）减重时流失了部分肌肉，而想要活到80岁还能活动自如，腿部力量是决定性的核心。
怀特提到自己前阵子在瑞士旅游时状态神勇，爬陡坡时虽然喘气但双腿毫无疲惫感，这很大程度上归功于他在Ways2Well诊所接受的睾酮与生长激素等替代疗法。罗根深表赞同，痛斥社会对补充睾酮的偏见与污名化。他提到很多左翼朋友出于意识形态对睾酮极度抗拒，但其实这并非健美选手的滥用类固醇，而是将体内随衰老而枯竭的激素水平安全地拉回30岁时的黄金状态，让人体免疫系统、睡眠质量和整体精力全面回春。怀特感慨，比起当年刚搬来奥斯汀时酗酒、体重超标30磅且整天昏昏沉沉的状态，如今的他感觉前所未有的强大，甚至连脱口秀演出的状态都达到了新巅峰。
- 怀特在瑞士爬山虽然心肺气喘，但腿部肌肉力量充沛，能够自如登顶。
- 罗根强调荷尔蒙替代疗法（HRT）不是搞大剂量的类固醇滥用，而是让身体机能重拾年轻状态。
- 怀特如今身体状态大幅逆转，彻底告别了过去过度酗酒导致的沉重与迟钝。
### [45:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2700s) 农夫行走、对抗世界疯狂的修行与美女教练
为了在不给关节施加多余压力的情况下增强力量，罗根极力向怀特推荐“农夫行走”（Farmer's Carry）。罗根分享了自己的硬核日常：两手各提一个70磅重的壶铃（总计140磅），在自家门外的坡道上来回负重行走几百码，上下坡全程耗时约15分钟。这种训练能极大地强化握力、核心稳定性和背部肌群，把全身肌肉整合成一个整体。罗根强调自己每天都必须做高强度训练，不仅是为了身体不倒退，更核心的诉求是“保持精神理智”（sanity）——面对这个发疯的世界，唯一能摆脱焦虑的方式就是逼自己去完成一件极其艰难的事，比如练瑜伽或硬核举重。
怀特对此深有共鸣，表示打算重新捡起瑜伽，这对延长高尔夫运动寿命大有裨益。他打趣分享了自己以往放弃瑜伽的原因：过去曾雇过一位身材火辣的美女私教每天上门授课，开启元气满满的一天，但当时交往的女友们因为教练长相太性感而醋意大发、天天找茬，怀特自嘲自己本来上课的心思就不太单纯，懒得顶着巨大感情压力，索性就停掉了。不过，他最近通过朋友约翰·保罗（John Paul）和埃洛伊丝（Eloise）认识了一位新的女性健身教练，正准备雇她来家里带练。怀特笑着坦白，只要教练是漂亮女性，他就更有动力按时打卡训练。
### [48:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2913s) 喜剧母舰（Comedy Mothership）引来的非议与“高墙花园”
随着身体健康状况好转，罗根鼓励怀特继续强化肉体，因为除了不可抗力的伤病，人没有任何借口任由自己衰弱下去。怀特也充满信心地表示生活只会越来越好。随后，怀特突然话锋一转，抛出了一个近期困扰他的社交媒体现象：“为什么网上总有人在狂黑咱们的俱乐部？”
怀特表示自己在 TikTok 上刷到不少针对罗根在奥斯汀创办的喜剧俱乐部“喜剧母舰”（Comedy Mothership）的负面攻击。罗根淡定地回应，很久以前就有一位哲学家朋友向他发出过预警：母舰俱乐部必须提防外界的这种心态。因为俱乐部里聚集的都是志同道合的好友，大家在里面玩得太开心、凝聚力太强，而在圈外那些无法融入的人看来，这里就像是一个戒备森严、排他的“高墙花园”（walled garden）。这种难以企及的距离感和嫉妒心，自然让某些局外人迫不及待地想要向它泼脏水。
### [50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3000s) 喜剧的死亡金属与俱乐部政治光谱
两人谈起喜剧俱乐部绿幕休息室（Green Room）内的私密氛围。Joe Rogan 指出，那是一个亲密的朋友圈子，大家经常在里面百无禁忌地胡扯开玩笑；但令人担心的是，万一有外人走进来听了这些随口说的胡话，转头跑去大嘴巴乱传，或者对某些耸人听闻的段子大惊小怪，就会引发不必要的麻烦。在那个屋子里，大家常常会说一些极度离谱、糟糕透顶的话，但没人是认真的，纯粹只是为了搞笑。
谈及冒犯性喜剧，Rogan 提到了演员 Brian Holtzman。有人在俱乐部听到 Holtzman 在台上大声咆哮同性恋群体，感到无法接受，但 Rogan 形容 Holtzman 的表演风格就是“喜剧界的死亡金属”。就像不是所有人都喜欢死亡金属或歌剧一样，你不喜欢大可不听；但 Holtzman 台下是全世界最甜、最和善的人，一登上舞台就会化身为彻头彻尾的狂人，那本质上是一种讽刺艺术和舞台人格。Ron White 也承认自己花了一段时间才领会 Holtzman 的幽默，因为曾亲眼见过 Holtzman 搞砸冷场，但他确实非常搞笑。Rogan 强调，这种内容百分之百具有冒犯性，甚至连他自己有时听了都会惊呼“上帝啊，Holtzman”，但喜剧必须给所有风格留下空间；如果不奏效观众就不会笑，自然无法生存，可现实是观众笑得前仰后合。
随后他们驳斥了外界将 Comedy Comedy Mothership 贴上“右翼俱乐部”标签的偏见。Rogan 指出，俱乐部里绝大多数工作人员和演职人员其实都是左翼人士，外界之所以产生误解，很大程度上是因为将 Tony Hinchcliffe 以及 Rogan 本人与俱乐部画上等号。White 开玩笑说这可能是因为自己长了张右翼的脸，而且自己确实帮过特朗普，但他一辈子骨子里都是左翼观念。不过，White 也补充道，自己虽然在大部分议题上偏左，但他随身携带武器，并坚决支持死刑。
- Brian Holtzman 的舞台风格被比作喜剧界的“死亡金属”，台下性格极好，台上则是刻意为之的极端狂人讽刺角色。
- 喜剧俱乐部休息室里的政治倾向非常多元，Brian Simpson 与 Ron White 均偏左，而公开持有鲜明右翼立场（MAGA）的主要是 Tony Hinchcliffe。
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### [52:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3153s) 常识对抗狂热：选票与大选分歧
Rogan 强调，当前社会的核心矛盾根本不是左翼与右翼之争，而是“理性与疯狂”的对立。他列举了一系列在他看来完全丧失理智的政策：失控的开放边境政策、疫情期间强制接种疫苗的政令、网络言论审查，以及强迫人们使用性别代词、一旦“叫错曾用名（deadnaming）”就会被永久封杀推特账号等觉醒（woke）乱象。在 Rogan 看来，乔·拜登在长达四年的任期内根本算不上真正的掌权总统，幕后是一帮未经选举的官僚在操纵国家机器；如果卡玛拉·哈里斯胜选，依然会是同一批人在幕后继续推行这些政策，因此社会迫切需要踩一脚刹车，走出这种疯狂状态。
Ron White 则坦承自己在大选中把票投给了哈里斯，因为他坚决无法接受特朗普，更重要的是他无法容忍共和党对女性身体自主权的剥夺。White 幽默地自嘲道，自己决定与女性站在一起，把宝押在捍卫女性权益上，结果大选时大量女性选民自己都没去投票，反而把他一个人像个傻子一样晾在那里，手里攥着票纳闷：“你们人都去哪儿了？”
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### [54:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3297s) 堕胎权争议与晚期堕胎的伦理边界
White 解释，当他谈到捍卫女性权益时，指的核心就是堕胎权。他动情地透露自己几个月后就要升级当外公了。尽管年纪有点大才迎来这一刻，但他感到无比兴奋，甚至盘算着如果自己能像母亲那样长寿，好好保养身体，就能一路看着外孙读完高中。正因为设身处地地想到年轻女孩的境遇——万一遇到不负责任的男人致孕后逃跑，或是怀孕过程中突发严重医疗意外——White 坚信生育抉择应当完全由当事家庭与其医生自行决定，政府不该横加干涉。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 堕胎权立场对比
accDescr: 展现 Ron White 与 Joe Rogan 围绕女性自主权与晚期堕胎伦理边界的探讨逻辑
subgraph SW["White 的核心出发点"]
A["私人家庭与医生决策"] --> B["反对政府公权力强制介入"]
B --> C["反对极端禁令<br/>(如禁止强奸/乱伦受害者堕胎)"]
end
subgraph JR["Rogan 的现实担忧"]
D["认同早期自主选择权"] --> E["警惕无限制晚期堕胎"]
E --> F["亲历案例：因男方悔意拖延至极晚期终止妊娠"]
end
subgraph LEGISLATION["立法走向争议"]
G["马萨诸塞州等取消孕周限制法案"]
G --> H["支持者：保障极端胎儿异常与母体危急医疗"]
G --> I["担忧者：8个月以上健康胎儿终止妊娠等同剥夺生命"]
end
C -.-> G
F -.-> I
```
随后，两人的讨论延伸到了复杂的晚期堕胎（late-term abortion）问题上。Rogan 坦言晚期堕胎让他感到极度不安。虽然许多人辩称晚期堕胎仅发生于母体生命受威胁等极端医学状况下，但 Rogan 分享了一个发生在纽约的真实身边案例：一对情侣由于男方不想要孩子而一拖再拖，最终在孕晚期实施了堕胎，这让 Rogan 震惊不已，直呼这在本质上已经等同于杀死一个活生生的婴儿。
他们在节目中检索了马萨诸塞州通过的新法案。该法案取消了原本 24 周的堕胎限制，使马萨诸塞州成为继华盛顿特区和另外九个州之后，允许在妊娠任何阶段进行堕胎的地区。法案得到了包括母胎医学协会（Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine）、马萨诸塞州医学会等专业医疗机构的支持，其初衷是为了保护那些在孕晚期发现胎儿畸形或面临生命危险的产妇（例如活动人士 Kate Dineen，其孩子在 33 周时胎死腹中），避免她们因繁琐的豁免审查而丧命。然而 Rogan 和 White 都同意，当胎儿已经长成完整生命（如妊娠八个半月）时，若非医学必要进行堕胎令人毛骨悚然；但 White 坚持，剥夺因强奸或乱伦而怀孕女性的堕胎权利更是荒唐至极，犹如把现代文明拉回中世纪或维京时代。
- 马萨诸塞州近期通过法案取消了 24 周孕期堕胎限制，成为全美允许在全孕期特定情形下实施堕胎的十个行政辖区之一。
- 绝大多数堕胎均发生在怀孕的前三个月（First Trimester），24 周后的案例极罕见，往往涉及严重的胎儿晚期畸形或母体生命危险。
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### [58:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3510s) 公立学校十诫立法与政教分离
话题转向得克萨斯州的政治动态。Rogan 问起 White 对得州众议员 James Talarico 的印象，White 表示自己很喜欢他。两人探讨了 Talarico 反对在公立学校强制张贴《十诫》（Ten Commandments）的立场。
Rogan 指出，Talarico 本人是一位非常虔诚的信徒，正因如此，他的论点极具说服力：在公立学校强行张贴《十诫》，本质上是在把基督教教条硬塞给学生，这种强制手段反而会让年轻一代对基督教产生反感与疏离。此外，如果公立学校可以强推基督教教义，那为什么不同时挂上印度教经典、摩门经或伊斯兰教经文？公立学校属于政府运营的公共机构，宪法明确规定了政教分离（separation of church and state）。Rogan 赞同 Talarico 的判断，指出这项推动公立学校宗教化的立法背后，主要是受极少数极其富有的“基督教民族主义者”（Christian Nationalists）的政治献金与意识形态所驱动。
### [01:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3600s) 德州公立学校、教育券与宗教干预之争
罗恩·怀特（Ron White）与乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）就某些势力试图接管德克萨斯州教育系统、将其彻底“基督教化”的动向表达了强烈的警惕与反感。罗根指出，强推任何宗教意识形态都令人毛骨悚然。他认为，吸引他人信仰的唯一正途是身体力行：如果你品行端正、生活善良充实，别人自然会对你的教会产生好奇；反之，若试图通过权力强行灌输，只会把所有人推向对立面。“美国的立国之本，就是在不伤害他人的前提下，人们拥有做任何事情的自由。”罗根强调，无论某人选择信仰什么古老神话，外人根本无权横加干涉。
怀特随后谈到德州州众议员詹姆斯·塔拉里科（James Talarico）。塔拉里科因极其坚定地反对德州教育券（School Vouchers）政策而赢得了怀特的尊重。怀特痛陈教育券制度的不公：该政策打着给家长择校自由的旗号发放代金券，但实际上真正享用这笔补贴的，全是那些原本就付得起私立学校学费的富裕家庭。在德州绝大多数乡村县区，根本连一所私立学校都没有；更过分的是，私立学校享有绝对的招生挑选权，可以毫无理由地拒收任何学生。
这种政策的实质，是从本就捉襟见肘的公立教育系统中吸走资金，再补贴给私立学校。怀特愤怒地指出，德州的公立教育正在被无情摧毁，当地急需更多优秀教师、更高的薪资待遇以及被充实的公共教学资源。他高度评价塔拉里科是一个聪明、诚实且敢于硬碰硬的政治家。紧接着，两人将矛头直指德州总检察长肯·帕克斯顿（Ken Paxton），怀特直言不讳地痛斥帕克斯顿劣迹斑斑、极端腐败，“德州绝对不能再让这个烂人继续掌权”。
- 德州教育券政策的弊端：公立预算被挪用至私立系统，私立学校缺乏问责且具备随意拒收学生的特权，大部分偏远郡县压根没有私立教育资源。
- 怀特力挺民主党籍州众议员詹姆斯·塔拉里科，赞赏其捍卫公立教育的清醒立场，同时痛批现任总检察长肯·帕克斯顿过于腐败。
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### [01:02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3738s) 德州大麻与 Delta-8 禁令：酒精游说集团与荒唐的刑事重罪
两人随即将话题转向德州在大麻政策上的荒唐倒退。怀特揭露，酒精游说集团向政客注入了巨额政治献金，正联手推动将大麻和各类衍生品彻底取缔并定性为刑事重罪（Felony）。不久前德州对合法售卖的 Delta-8 等大麻素产品发动突击式封杀，给本地实体零售店造成了毁灭性打击。怀特提到自己认识的一位烟具店（Head Shop）老板，这些店主原本倾家荡产、合法合规地全盘投入经营，却一夜之间被政客勒令下架所有货品，被迫就地焚毁库存，导致数十亿美元的经济损失与数以千计的就业岗位蒸发。
罗根对此感到极其荒谬与愤怒。他直斥执政者是一群傲慢脱节的“书呆子（Dorks）”，竟然妄想在21世纪重新上演20世纪30年代《大麻狂热》（Reefer Madness）的恐吓把戏：“现在早就不是那个愚民时代了，谁都知道大麻到底是什么，休想骗大家说大麻跟 PCP 苯环己哌啶一样危险。”罗根强调，成年人应当拥有自主决定生活的权利；如果有人吸大麻过量变疯，那解决方法就是别吸过量，这与酗酒过量需要克制毫无二致，政府没有权力剥夺成年人的选择自由。
罗根一针见血地指出，如今但凡主张把大麻使用者关进铁笼、判处重罪的政客，“要么蠢到没资格当领导人，要么就是收了黑钱受贿（Either you're too fucking stupid to be a leader, or you're on the take）”，绝无第三种可能。加州和科罗拉多州每年通过大麻合法化征收数以十亿计的巨额税收，而德州不仅白白放跑了高达70多亿美元的潜在税收收入，还让黑市横行。怀特笑言哪怕在德州严格管制的时期，自己抽的烟草也是从邻近的俄克拉荷马州运进来的；罗根则半开玩笑地提醒他千万别在播客直播中公开承认非法跨州带货。
---
### [01:05:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3912s) 赌场合法化争议与温斯达赌场的资金外流
除了大麻税收，怀特认为德州在博彩合法化上的保守态度同样荒谬至极。德州严禁开设正规赌场，结果导致每年数以亿计的本州财富白白流入邻州。最典型的例子便是紧邻德州边界、位于俄克拉荷马州的温斯达世界赌场（WinStar World Casino）——作为全球面积最大的赌场之一，它距德州边界仅300码之遥，挤满了成群结队前去送钱的德州赌客。怀特调侃称自己经常在那里的场馆做脱口秀专场，虽然“希望大家继续买票去看我演出”，但德州本土白白错失这笔税收实在太蠢。
罗根提出了社会上常见的反赌论点：如果在州内遍地开设赌场，降低成瘾门槛，是否会彻底毁掉那些自控力极差的嗜赌者的生活？怀特反驳称这种隔离毫无实际意义：在如今移动互联网时代，任何人掏出手机就能通过 DraftKings 等在线平台随时随地参赌；即使没有本地实体赌场，德州人也可以花79美元买张廉价机票飞往拉斯维加斯，或者开几十分钟车跨过州界去路易斯安那州。
随后两人聊到了德州目前唯一的合法竞猜项目——赛马。由于新墨西哥州鲁伊多索（Ruidoso）当地赛道遭遇灾情变故，原本设在新墨西哥州的鲁伊多索唐斯赛马赛事近期被临时转移到了德州境内举办。
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### [01:06:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4018s) 纽约切尔西台球馆的赌徒往事与托尼·安尼戈尼的悲剧
赛马的话题勾起了罗根早年在纽约打台球的浪荡岁月。罗根回忆，当年纽约有一帮深陷赌瘾的纯种赌徒，他们的标准作息是清晨先去场外投注站（Off-track betting）赌马，输个精光或赢了微薄彩头后，下午再转战台球馆继续豪赌台球。
罗根当年最常泡的场馆是位于曼哈顿的“切尔西台球馆”（Chelsea Billiards）。那是一个24小时不打烊的地下传奇据点，汇聚了全纽约最狂野、最底层的边缘人群——流浪汉、毒瘾患者、职业台球骗子（Pool hustlers）与各路堕落之徒。罗根回忆，到了深夜如果没排上比赛，那些身无分文的赌徒就会直接钻进地下室闲置的台球桌底下呼呼大睡，整个场馆弥漫着浓郁的江湖草莽气息。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 纽约切尔西台球馆赌徒生态与人物关系
accDescr: 展示切尔西台球馆的各路底层人物、戴维·麦坎伯记录的著作以及职业选手托尼·安尼戈尼的生平与悲剧结局。
subgraph PoolHall["纽约切尔西台球馆 (Chelsea Billiards)"]
Gamblers["赌马客 / 街头流浪汉 / 瘾君子"]
Sleepers["深夜钻入台球桌底睡觉的赌徒"]
end
subgraph Literature["纪实著作《Playing Off the Rail》"]
Author["作者：戴维·麦坎伯<br/>(David McCumber，原亨特·S·汤普森编辑)"]
Protagonist["传主：托尼·安尼戈尼<br/>(Tony Annigoni，世界级职业台球手)"]
Author -->|"出资赞助并跟队记录全国巡回赌局"| Protagonist
end
subgraph Rogue["乔·罗根的记忆与友人悲剧"]
RoganMemories["罗根与安尼戈尼相识并共同解说比赛<br/>生活极度自律：不烟不酒、纯水禁食、东方禅修"]
TragicEnd["旧金山跳桥自杀身亡<br/>留下无法挽回的震惊与幸存者内疚"]
Protagonist --> RoganMemories
RoganMemories --> TragicEnd
end
PoolHall -.->|"滋生纪实文学背景"| Literature
```
罗根提到，曾担任著名荒诞新闻主义作家亨特·S·汤普森（Hunter S. Thompson）编辑的戴维·麦坎伯（David McCumber）曾写过一本极度写实的纪实名作——《借台出杆》（*Playing Off the Rail*）。麦坎伯以“金主出资人（Stakehorse）”的身份，全资赞助并贴身跟拍了罗根的生前好友、世界级职业台球名将托尼·安尼戈尼（Tony Annigoni），记录两人开着车横跨全美进行地下台球赌局的真实传奇。
安尼戈尼在球界堪称一位异类天才：他被赞誉为“纯绿呢台呢上的走位诗人”，同时是一名东方宗教研习者。与充斥着烟酒毒品的传统赌徒不同，安尼戈尼遵循严格的长寿宏量营养饮食（Macrobiotic diet），既不抽烟也不喝酒，甚至能在长达24小时的顶级高额台球赌局中仅凭饮用纯净水保持巅峰对决状态。
然而，就是这样一位才华横溢、生活自律的天才球手，最终却以极其惨烈的方式终结了生命。罗根声音低沉地回忆，90年代他曾与安尼戈尼在加州一起搭档解说台球赛并同台切磋，后来两人分别定居洛杉矶和旧金山，渐少联系。数年后的一天，罗根突然接到朋友的噩耗电话：托尼跳桥自尽了。罗根陷入了深深的沉思与无力感，感慨面对身边悄无声息走向自毁的人，活着的朋友往往永远无法揣度他们内心深渊的真正裂痕，只剩下“如果当年能多打一通电话”的终生遗憾与自责。
### [01:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4200s) 关照朋友与布罗迪·史蒂文斯的离世之痛
乔·罗根与罗恩·怀特谈及维系友情的重要性。罗根感慨道，像喜剧演员乔伊·迪亚兹（Joey Diaz）就经常毫无由头地突然打电话过来，只为了说一句“我爱你”，这种互道关心的举动能让人心里一暖。然而现实中许多男性在面对心理痛苦时极其隐忍坚毅，绝口不提自己究竟承受着多大的折磨，外人根本无法探知其严重程度，往往要等到无可挽回的悲剧发生后才知晓。罗根十分痛心地回忆起喜剧演员布罗迪·史蒂文斯（Brody Stevens）的自杀，坦言自己当时完全无法相信。在旁人眼里，布罗迪即便私下挣扎，但只要一走上舞台就才华横溢、幽默至极，深受圈内所有人喜爱，大家都以为他能挺过去。惊闻噩耗时，那种难以置信的震惊至今仍让人心碎自责，总会忍不住去想：“我是不是本可以说点什么？做点什么？”
面对沉重的话题，罗恩·怀特用他特有的冷面幽默打破了悲伤的气氛。他一本正经地对罗根交代：“要是哪天有人说我自杀了，那绝对不是真的。我根本不是那种人。乔，到时候你可得替我查清楚到底是谁杀了我。”罗根毫不犹豫地接话，承诺要是真发生这种事，自己一定会去查明真相。
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### [01:11:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4292s) 瑞士之旅与欧洲人对美国对外战争的反感
罗恩·怀特分享了他近期前往瑞士的旅行见闻。他当时雇了一位从英国移居瑞士已十二年的专职司机安德鲁（Andrew），驱车两个半小时从采尔马特（Zermatt）前往因特拉肯（Interlaken）。怀特原以为在向来被认为不太待见美国人的法国巴黎会遭到冷遇，结果在巴黎反而没感受到排美情绪；反倒是在瑞士和意大利北部，他明显感觉到当地人态度异常冷淡。
怀特在车上忍不住向司机求证，询问这是否只是自己的错觉。安德鲁直言不讳地告诉他，当地人之所以给美国游客脸色看，核心原因在于“他们痛恨你们发动的该死战争”。欧洲人认为，中东那些武装势力打不到大洋彼岸的美国本土，反而容易波及欧洲周边，而美国却肆无忌惮地在那里倾泻导弹；此外，美国推行的贸易关税政策也惹恼了欧洲。司机表示，如果美国人瞎折腾只祸害自己，欧洲人根本不在乎，但一旦把欧洲也拖下水，大家自然满怀怨怼。罗根对此深表认同，指出不仅是欧洲，美国国内绝大多数普通民众也认为这场战事极其糟糕。
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### [01:12:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4376s) 帕尔默·拉奇的军工视角与伊朗局势的历史纠葛
罗根提到，在他听过的极少数支持打击伊朗的高智商人士中，国防科技公司创始人帕尔默·拉奇（Palmer Luckey）最具代表性。拉奇在一档播客中辩护称，伊朗此前正以前所未有的速度加速导弹研发，建立起了极其庞大的导弹储备储备库，一旦其拥有核武器，局势将不可收拾，因此先发制人是必要的防御举措。但罗根同时也冷静地指出，拉奇本身就是顶尖军工武器与无人机制造商，虽然自视为主张“强大国防”的爱国者，但其观点难免带有军工复合体的商业立场。此外，不少批评者认为美国的行动时机极其糟糕——如果美国真要对付伊朗政权，理应在伊朗爆发大规模民众抗议、独裁政府在街头残酷处决示威者时采取行动，那样不仅能赢得国际社会的道德支持，也能得到饱受铁腕镇压的伊朗人民的呼应。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 对伊军事行动与历史地缘争议逻辑
accDescr: 梳理军火商帕尔默·拉奇的鹰派理由、外界对打击时机的批评，以及美伊历史干涉渊源。
subgraph DefenseView["军工鹰派立场 (Palmer Luckey)"]
A["伊朗极限扩充常规导弹库存"] --> B["防范获取核武后形成致命威胁"]
B --> C["主张先发制人摧毁威胁"]
end
subgraph TimingCritique["时机与民意批评"]
D["错过伊朗国内反抗示威节点"] --> E["当前行动缺乏道德与国际呼应"]
F["中东海湾国家支持遏制伊朗核武"] --> G["但美国民众厌恶无休止战争"]
end
subgraph HistoryContext["历史与现实背景"]
H["20世纪美方干预推翻伊朗政权与石油利益"] --> I["长期地缘博弈与导弹互掷恶性循环"]
end
```
谈及历史，罗根与怀特感慨美国早在上世纪就曾为了石油等利益深度插手伊朗政局、推翻原有秩序。看老照片能发现当年的伊朗社会曾经非常世俗化和西方化，如今却沦为高度专制的极端政权。怀特叹息各国政府总在别国领土上肆意妄为，“就像所有人都在那里玩俄罗斯轮盘赌”。海湾阿拉伯国家虽然乐见伊朗核能力受到遏制而支持美军行动，但美国绝大多数选民对无休止的海外泥潭早已厌倦透顶，当年许多人支持唐纳德·特朗普（Donald Trump）的核心诉求正是“结束荒谬的战争”。官方如今甚至不愿将其称为战争，而是换上了越战时期的修辞——轻描淡写地称为“军事冲突”（military conflict）。
- 制作室调取历史数据指出：从1891年到1897年之间，美国曾短暂没有卷入任何武装冲突；但自二战结束以来，美国几乎每一年都卷入某种形式的军事行动或对外冲突中。
- 罗根总结道，这背后正是庞大的国防军工机器在轰鸣运转，其难以想象的天文数字预算必须靠持续不断的外部冲突来维系。
---
### [01:16:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4594s) 永不停止的海外冲突与加州高铁的巨额烂尾
罗根指出，正是因为数以万亿计的财富被无底洞般的海外战事与国防预算吞噬，美国本土甚至连一条像样的高速铁路都建不起来。怀特随即将话题引向加利福尼亚州臭名昭著的高铁项目。
两人疯狂吐槽加州高铁的荒唐乱象：政府砸进了数十亿美元，工期一拖再拖、预算严重超支，至今许多路段甚至连铁轨都还没铺设好。更荒谬的是其运行规划——旅客坐上极短的一段高铁后必须中途下车，换乘一辆慢吞吞的普通大巴从贝克斯菲尔德（Bakersfield）颠簸前往洛杉矶。怀特大骂道：“既然最后还得坐普通大巴，那大家为什么不一开始就直接坐大巴去目的地？”两人嘲讽加州州长加文·纽森（Gavin Newsom）前几天还在列车前摆拍召开新闻发布会，吹嘘高铁建设正在稳步推进。怀特直言不讳地痛斥这整套项目完全就是一场彻头彻尾的“敛财骗局”（grift），各方势力不过是借着项目的幌子在疯狂中饱私囊。
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### [01:18:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4725s) 加州神鹫是骗局吗？加州铜弹猎枪规定
顺着“环保与政府骗局”的话题，罗恩·怀特冷不丁地抛出了一个暴论——他坚信加州神鹫（California condor）所谓的“濒危”根本就是人为编造的骗局。他直言神鹫这种鸟长得又丑又难看，大自然本就有自我调节的法则，根本不存在神鹫数量短缺的问题。在怀特看来，所谓的“保护濒危神鹫”就是某些机构借机吸金的工具：“骗局就是‘给我们钱，让我们去拯救神鹫’，钱一到手，到底有没有救神鹫天晓得。”当罗根追问难道任由神鹫灭绝也没关系时，怀特戏谑地回答：“如果它们自己想灭绝就灭绝呗。全看它们自己，要是它们不想再交配了，那就别交配了。”
罗根随后向怀特科普了神鹫保护背后的一条真实法规：科学家曾发现许多加州神鹫是因为食腐吃下了猎人射杀的动物残留物，从而死于铅中毒（lead poisoning）。为了保护神鹫，加州随后颁布了强制法律，严禁猎人使用传统铅弹，无论是打霰弹枪还是步枪猎鹿，都必须全面换装纯铜子弹（copper bullets）。怀特对此感到不可思议，追问在加州用步枪狩猎麋鹿是否真的已经全面禁止铅弹。
### [01:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4800s) 铜子弹、加州秃鹰与轮胎能效新规
讨论从狩猎弹药延伸开来。Joe Rogan 提到自己平时并不怎么用步枪打猎，主要依靠弓箭，但他曾在加利福尼亚州用步枪配铜制子弹成功射杀过一头麋鹿，证实铜弹确实有效。然而，他对加州“为了保护加州秃鹰而禁用铅弹、强制使用铜弹”的政策深感怀疑。两人纳闷：加州秃鹰飞得那么高，到底有多少猎人打丢了猎物，以至于野外遗留了海量含铅子弹被秃鹰吃下导致铅中毒？Rogan 认为这根本说不通，如果鸟类频繁吞食铅弹确实致命，但在野生环境中形成群体性铅中毒听起来极度怪异。
随后话题转向加利福尼亚州层出不穷的奇葩管制。Rogan 爆料加州最近通过了一项匪夷所思的法规，据称将导致市面上 70% 的轮胎在当地变为非法。经查阅具体规定，加州能源委员会（California Energy Commission）于 2026 年 8 月 17 日全票通过了“替换轮胎效率计划”（Replacement Tire Efficiency Program）。该政策并非禁止车主继续使用现有轮胎，而是严格限制未来可在加州销售的乘用车替换轮胎——要求所有新替换轮胎的能效（以更低的滚动阻力为技术衡量指标）在平均水平上必须不低于新车原厂配套轮胎（OE Tires）。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 加州轮胎能效新规机制
accDescr: 展示加州能源委员会新规如何从技术指标传导到普通消费者的经济负担
subgraph Policy ["政策出台"]
A["加州能源委员会通过新规<br/>(2026年8月)"] --> B["限制替换轮胎销售标准"]
end
subgraph Technical ["技术要求"]
B --> C["必须达到或优于原厂胎能效"]
C --> D["强制降低滚动阻力 (Rolling Resistance)"]
end
subgraph MarketImpact ["市场与民生冲击"]
D --> E["淘汰约70%的廉价轮胎"]
E --> F["轮胎店现有库存面临报废风险"]
E --> G["低收入群体被迫承担高昂换胎成本"]
end
```
Rogan 与 Ron White 痛斥这种官僚作风完全脱离底层民生：
- 官方冠冕堂皇的理由是通过降低滚动阻力来改善燃油经济性或提升电动车续航，声称长期来看能节约数百万加仑汽油。
- 这一政策的实质代价是变相剥夺了低收入人群购买廉价轮胎的权利。开着一辆旧丰田凯美瑞（Toyota Camry）勉强维持生计的普通人，根本不在乎什么极致操控或原装能效，只求在发薪日之前花 59 美元换个能跑的便宜轮胎应个急。
- 当地轮胎店的存货也面临巨大风险。如果像 Tires R Us 这类备足了 90% 车型库存的商铺突然被告知旧库存全部不能合法售卖，商家只能吞下巨大的商业损失。
---
### [01:23:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5025s) 加州繁文缛节与得州式自由的对比
从轮胎禁令谈起，加州深入骨髓的过度监管让两人大吐苦水。Ron White 提到了他的一位朋友 Matt。Matt 的豪宅在太平洋帕利塞德（Pacific Palisades）的山火中被烧成平地，由于其自身财力雄厚，原本打算立刻重建。然而在加州繁冗的审批流程面前，哪怕过了很久，工程连动工的影子都看不到。
当地的建筑与防火规范繁琐至极，甚至伴随着荒唐的红线约束，尤其是加利福尼亚海岸委员会（California Coastal Commission）的干预更是出了名的严苛野蛮。相比之下，得克萨斯州的办事流程则干脆利落：房主拿好建筑图纸去工务部门审核，工作人员只要确认符合基本建筑安全规范（Up to code），盖个章说一句“祝你好运，去建你的房子吧”，工程当天就能动工。
两人一致感叹好在自己已经彻底退出了加州的房地产市场。加州南部的自然风光和气候固然在全球无与伦比——两小时车程内就能换好几种截然不同的壮丽地貌——但极其糟糕的政治治理、层层加码的税收与行政壁垒，让无数原本热爱这里的人不得不选择逃离。
---
### [01:25:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5135s) 播客神话、40年单口喜剧生涯与惊魂剧场往事
Ron White 回忆起多年前 Rogan 考虑在圣巴巴拉或蒙特西托购买大农场时的趣事。当时 White 根本不知道 Rogan 这么有钱，心想一个搞单口、兼做播客的家伙怎么买得起那种顶级庄园。最早去录播客时，White 甚至完全不知道播客是什么概念，结果发现 Rogan 已经凭借庞大的听众基数卖爆了巡演门票。如今 Rogan 在 YouTube 和 Spotify 上的订阅用户双双突破了 2000 万。White 透露当天早晨妻子 Angela 问他去干嘛，他坦承：“我要去 Joe 的播客上跟 2000 万人聊天，但我脑子里其实根本没准备什么想说的大道理。”他笑称这种体量不能深思，一想就会让人发慌。
感触于两人如今优渥而幸运的人生，White 提到下周（2026 年 9 月 17 日）将迎来他单口喜剧生涯整整 40 周年的纪念日——他是从 1986 年 9 月 17 日第一次登台讲笑话的。为了纪念这个日子，他将在达拉斯举办专场，随后开启佛罗里达州（如代托纳）等地的全新巡回。
谈及得州的演出场馆，两人都对休斯敦（Houston）和达拉斯情有独钟。White 谈到他现在去休斯敦只去凯蒂（Katy）那座拥有约 6000 个座位的大型场馆，因为休斯敦市中心原先由老摇滚演艺厅改造的老旧混凝土场馆实在让他心有余悸：
- 那个老场馆内部粗糙得像个“能直接拿消防水龙冲洗呕吐物的大坑”。
- 曾经在一场演出中，一位重达 180 磅（约 81.6 公斤）的女性观众从 26 英尺（约 8 米）高的二层看台意外坠落，径直砸穿了楼下一位女观众，当场砸瘪了一张金属折叠椅。
- White 在台上起初还以为是天花板的顶灯掉落，场内瞬间尖叫四起，最终救护车进场将两名伤者抬上担架送医。
- 更加离奇的是，就在同一天晚上的第二场演出中，台下又有一名男子突发心脏病当场猝死。接二连三的事故让 White 认定那座老场馆仿佛被恶灵诅咒，发誓再也不会踏足该地。
### [01:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5400s) 陡峭的剧场看台与令人恐高的高楼阳台
谈话以剧院看台的陡峭危险展开。朗·怀特（Ron White）回忆起自己在同一晚连演两场的疯狂经历，并感叹有些剧场的高层看台斜度简直吓人——坐在那里心里总会忍不住犯嘀咕：“到底有什么东西能拦着人不掉下去？”答案是什么都没有，曾经就真有女性观众失去平衡直接摔了下去。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）随之联想到他在 YouTube 上看过的迈阿密豪宅视频。罗根自嘲是个“爱看房产节目的笨蛋”，特别喜欢围观那些自己一辈子都不会买的高级公寓。他提到迈阿密一套标价高达 7000 万美元的顶层豪华公寓（penthouse），阳台玻璃护栏居然只有“齐胸高”，往下看就是整整 70 层的悬崖绝壁。罗根直言自己受不了这种视觉冲击，尤其是手里拿着手机的时候感觉更糟：自己掉下去倒无所谓，但如果手机脱手砸死楼下的人，那绝对得由自己担全责，而且警方轻而易举就能追查到源头。
罗根表示，在纽约市也经常见到这种令人不安的阳台设计。在自己家里居然存在一个“只要多迈一步就必死无疑”的区域，这从根本上就很反人类，也极易引发焦虑症，更别提吸大麻后从高处往下看了。朗·怀特提到自己在奥斯汀市中心也有一套顶层公寓，不过“只有”22 层。罗根打趣说，这高度绝对足够让人摔死好几回了。
### [01:31:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5497s) 高空摩天大楼的生活体验与纽约街景
罗根透露，自己其实住在离地约 600 英尺的高空中。他有时会做非常离奇的怪梦，梦见整座大楼宛如《盗梦空间》（Inception）里的场景一样，并非剧烈坍塌，而是非常缓慢、诡异地倾倒向地面。在高楼顶层，人完全能感受到建筑物的晃动；罗根甚至说自己经常能看到马桶里的水在晃荡。朗·怀特听后连连劝他“赶紧搬出来”，建议他在德州的滴水泉（Dripping Springs）买套带地的房子。
尽管高层建筑令人心惊肉胆，但两人也承认其视野无比震撼。罗根谈到自己一位朋友的父亲在纽约市 30 层左右拥有一套转角公寓，两面全是大落地玻璃，周围被密密麻麻的摩天大楼所包围，车辆与人流在下方穿梭，宛如科幻电影。朗·怀特感慨，每扇窗户背后都有数不清的人生故事；不过他也吐槽，身处那种环境里大家都在互相窥视，几乎人手一个双筒望远镜查看对面有没有人在做爱。怀特笑称自己也花大价钱买了一个架在三脚架上的巨型高倍望远镜，但“连一个胸脯都没瞧见过”。罗根则认为，年轻单身汉或许喜欢这种扎堆的感觉，但常年与千百号人紧密挤在一起，随时承受周围嘈杂的磁场与情绪，对人的身心健康其实并无益处。
- 罗根对过高阳台的核心生存法则：“别住在多跨一步就能让你丧命的地方。”
- 朗·怀特购置了高规格三脚架望远镜，原本好奇都市生活，结果自嘲一无所获。
- 摩天大楼在风力或地基微动下的摇晃（Sway），连卫生间马桶里的水波都能肉眼可见。
### [01:33:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5623s) 从《歌剧魅影》到《摩门经》与《南方公园》的犀利幽默
朗·怀特回忆起以前母亲还在世时，母亲非常热爱百老汇戏剧，他常常带她去纽约看剧。有一回两人去看了《歌剧魅影》（Phantom of the Opera），怀特逗趣地表示自己当时根本没意识到那真是一场“歌剧”，还以为会像改编电影或普通话剧一样，早知道是纯正歌剧他绝对不买票。不过，他们后来去看了原班人马出演的音乐剧《摩门经》（The Book of Mormon），怀特盛赞那部剧简直太搞笑了。《摩门经》正是由《南方公园》（South Park）的两位创作者特雷·帕克（Trey Parker）和马特·斯通（Matt Stone）打造的，罗根也大赞这两人才华横溢。
两人随即聊起了《南方公园》近期的恶搞动态：据说为了调侃特朗普，创作者直接把节目名称（乃至官网）改成了《南美洲》（South America）。怀特表示自己在家里看手机刷到这个消息时当场笑出声来，认为这种无厘头恶搞简直妙不可言。罗根感叹，在这个行业里谁也拿这两个人没办法，因为他们既绝顶聪明搞笑、又完全不在乎外界评价，而且极其富有。他们几乎是喜剧中心（Comedy Central）唯一无法干涉和搞砸的存在，因为这部剧取得的巨大成功赋予了主创无与伦比的话语权。
### [01:35:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5710s) 前互联网时代的录像带病毒式传播与早期网络记忆
罗根与怀特追溯起《南方公园》的起源。在互联网尚未普及的年代，创作者制作的短片是以 VHS 录像带的形式在私下圈子里疯传。罗根哼唱起剧中的经典插曲《布莱恩·博伊塔诺会怎么做？》（What Would Brian Boitano Do?），并感慨这部神作的诞生比家家户户通网还要早。怀特回忆起自己当年约会过一个在经纪公司工作的女孩，对方在 1995 年前后就拿到了一盘名为《圣诞之灵》（The Spirit of Christmas）的拷贝，里面讲述了耶稣与圣诞老人大打出手的故事（其实早在 1992 年他们就做过第一部关于雪人的短片）。
话题顺势转向互联网在美国家庭普及的时间节点：
- 罗根表示自己在 1994 年第一次接触并接入了互联网。
- 随后在 1995 至 1996 年左右，大家纷纷开始使用 CompuServe（早期商业在线服务）和 AOL（美国在线）聊天室。
- 朗·怀特则笑称自己到现在家里基本上都不用网络。虽然今年办了宽带，但他平时碰都不碰。怀特清醒地解释道，自己绝对不能去网上看那些恶评；哪怕偶尔闪过一丝“看一眼也无所谓”的念头，也会立刻制止自己把手机放下。
### [01:36:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5780s) 善举救人：捐赠 Sherp 全地形水陆两用车抗洪救援
朗·怀特向罗根分享了一则激动人心的后续消息。此前德州（如温伯利 Wimberley 一带的河道区域）遭遇罕见暴雨引发特大山洪，罗根与怀特联手发起筹款，出资为当地救援队购买了一辆 Sherp 全地形全地形车（甚至被称为水陆救援消防车）。令人欣慰的是，整整一年之后，完全相同的恶劣风暴系统再次重创该河流流域，洪水肆虐数日，救援人员正是驾驶着这台他们捐赠的车辆日以夜继地救出了多名受困群众。
新闻媒体在现场对此进行了广泛报道，并提到当地如今拥有的两台救援神器中，有一台就是由乔·罗根与朗·怀特共同捐赠的。两人看着现场照片中挤满获救儿童的救援车，深感欣慰与骄傲，认为能用实际行动做出切实的改变，是人生中最棒的事情之一。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Sherp救援车捐赠与实战救援流程
accDescr: 展示乔·罗根与朗·怀特从发起筹资购买Sherp全地形车到一年后在特大洪水中救援群众的过程
subgraph Fund["善举筹资"]
A["德州洪灾隐患"] --> B["乔·罗根 & 朗·怀特联合筹资"]
B --> C["购置 Sherp 全地形多功能车"]
end
subgraph Impact["实战抗洪与成效"]
C --> D["一年后风暴再次袭击同一河道"]
D --> E["救援队连续多日出动车辆搜救"]
E --> F["成功救出大量被困儿童与群众"]
end
```
### [01:37:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5857s) 征服极端地形的工业怪兽：Sherp 的神奇机械构造
罗根向怀特详细介绍了 Sherp 这种全地形机械的惊人性能。不仅能毫无阻碍地爬过河岸上的巨型乱石，甚至有人驾驶着它耗时数周完全横穿了格陵兰岛的冰原腹地。这台机器极其硬核而特殊：
- **动力与扭矩**：整车仅搭载一台 55 马力的小型发动机，虽然速度不快，但轮上扭矩极大，且在极端恶劣环境下极其省油。
- **轮胎储油设计**：它的巨型超低压轮胎内部竟然可以额外充填燃料，极大延长了极端探险与深水救援中的续航能力。
- **自动充放气系统**：轮胎配备自适应充放气系统，能够根据泥沼、水面或碎石路况实时调整胎压。
怀特和罗根在节目中一度陷入对这个机械设计的困惑探讨：既然轮子在高速旋转，车辆究竟是如何在行驶中把燃油从旋转的轮胎里抽出来供应发动机的？两人反复揣摩这套巧妙的管路与转阀结构，连连感叹这台越野怪兽不可思议的工程智慧。
### [01:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6000s) 乌克兰全地形越野车 Sherp 的硬核设计
Joe Rogan 和 Ron White 观看了一段介绍全地形车 Sherp 燃油系统的科普视频。视频中展示，Sherp 的每个轮毂中心都内置了一个独立的密封油箱，这种设计不仅与气室完全隔开，而且配有自动平衡配重系统；即便单个轮毂油箱耗尽，整台车也不会倾斜失衡。更令人惊叹的是它的轮胎自调节功能——车辆在行驶过程中会直接利用发动机排出的废气来自动调节轮胎气压，车身甚至不需要搭载专门的空压机，即使轮胎被子弹射穿也能继续前行。他们原本以为加油时必须拆下巨大的轮子，但仔细观察操作后发现，直接通过轮毂中部的专用接口即可完成燃油加注与输送。
Ron White 提到这种车辆产自乌克兰。据当地人介绍，他们测试车辆的方法极其硬核：直接开到前线让俄军朝车子开枪射击，如果被打坏了就拖回来改进设计再造，凭借乌克兰广阔的泥泞地形不断迭代测试。两人感叹这绝对是一台设计极其天才的小怪物，普通人平时根本用不上，除非拥有超大面积的私人狂野农场，或者生活在经常面临特大山洪暴发的河道沿线、需要参与紧急救援。
- **轮毂油箱设计**：燃油储存在四个轮子的中心轮毂内，与轮胎气室完全隔离，系统能自动均衡配重。
- **废气调压系统**：行驶中利用发动机废气自动调节胎压，无需额外配备车载空气压缩机。
- **产地与测试背景**：车辆研发并制造于乌克兰，利用当地烂泥地形与实战前线环境进行抗损测试与工程迭代。
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### [01:42:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6150s) 德州洪灾与营地悲剧的反思
话题自然转向了德克萨斯州温伯利（Wimberley）地区的致命山洪。Ron White 指出当地曾连续发生两次毁灭性洪灾，两次几乎都恰好发生在7月4日独立日假期前后，时间跨度仅仅隔了一年。原本这类山洪被气象专家定性为“千年一遇”的罕见灾害，结果仅仅一年后就再次重演，直接成了“一年一遇的常态”。Joe Rogan 解释称，该地区的地质结构多为致密的花岗岩基岩，一旦暴雨云系停滞在上方，雨水根本无法渗透到地下，只会疯狂地顺着地表汇聚奔流，最终全部涌入瓜达卢佩河（Guadalupe River），激引发毁灭性的洪峰。
Ron White 提到他们前几天刚开车去灾区现场看过，至今仍能看到满目疮痍的破坏痕迹。山洪肆虐时，坐落在河边的“神秘营”（Camp Mystic）首当其冲，巨大的招牌依然立在那里。Ron 感叹尽管事后很多人试图将灾难归咎于特定政客（比如拜登等人），但平心而论，在通讯中断、极端暴雨落入极恶劣地理位置的极端情况下，这场惨剧根本是人力无法预见和阻挡的。该夏令营地在当地依水而建上百年，环境优美，如今由于公众的恐惧与抵触，恐怕再也无法重新开业。
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### [01:44:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6288s) 尼泊尔雪崩冰湖溃决与自然灾害的恐怖力量
谈到水灾的不可抗力，Joe Rogan 提到了尼泊尔发生的由雪崩与冰川滑坡引发的冰湖溃决灾难。Ron White 表示事件发生时他恰好在海外，整个欧洲的新闻都在轮番滚动播报这一灾难。当时他正在瑞士，注意到欧洲酷暑导致冰川大量融化，原本不应有如此大水量的河流全都咆哮奔腾，当地人也极度担忧高山冰坝的安全隐患。两人随后厘清了尼泊尔灾难的连环成因：最初是岩崩滑入河谷堵塞形成堰塞湖，随后整块高山冰川突然崩塌砸入湖中，巨大的冲击力瞬间冲溃大坝，形成沿山谷席卷而下的致命洪流。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 尼泊尔冰湖溃决灾害成因链
accDescr: 展示从岩体滑坡到冰川崩塌砸入堰塞湖，进而引发时速150公里的致命泥石洪流的过程
subgraph Phase1["地质堵截阶段"]
A["高山岩崩 / 滑坡"] --> B["堵塞河道形成高山堰塞湖"]
end
subgraph Phase2["冰川冲击阶段"]
C["巨型冰川断裂崩塌"] --> D["直接砸入堰塞湖中"]
end
subgraph Phase3["溃决下泄阶段"]
B & D --> E["冰坝/土石坝瞬间破裂溃决"]
E --> F["时速接近150公里的冰石泥流巨浪"]
F --> G["30分钟内下游水位暴涨9米，彻底摧毁沿途一切"]
end
```
两人回想起灾难现场的视频录像，感到极其毛骨悚然。破碎的冰块、巨石和洪水以接近每小时150公里的速度狂飙而下，下游水位在短短30分钟之内暴涨多达9米。Joe 指出很多人总有一种天真的幻想，以为洪水来了撒腿跑就行；但真正的山洪巨浪就像一堵如楼房般高耸的移动实体墙，里面裹挟着巨大的滚石、原木、浮冰和被卷走的汽车。面对这种千万吨级别的大自然暴击，人类完全没有生还可能，只会被瞬间碾成碎片。
- **流速与涨水速度**：溃决引发的混合泥流速度接近每小时150公里，30分钟内水位垂直攀升9米。
- **冲击破坏力**：洪水中充斥着巨石、冰块与粗大树干，其破坏机制主要是重物重击碾碎，而非单纯的溺水。
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### [01:47:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6424s) 小行星撞击危机与地球的无力防线
从地表灾害延伸开来，两人聊到了地球表面残留的陨石坑。Ron White 提到了澳大利亚最近才确认的一个被房屋大小的小行星撞击的陨石坑，内华达州也有着极其壮观巨大的火山口状陨石坑。Joe Rogan 强调，在宏观的地质与宇宙时间尺度面前，人类短暂的寿命微不足道。数以亿计的人类生生死死数千年没碰上大撞击，就会盲目乐观地认为这种概率极低，然而从长远来看，这只是纯粹的随机事件，只要有一颗“文明杀手”级别的巨大小行星正中地球，整个人类文明就会被彻底归零。
Ron 提出疑问：“我们现在难道不能开火把它击落吗？”Joe 果断回应称人类目前根本没有这种防御能力。现有的偏转小行星理论从未在面对真正的大体量杀手时实战验证过，全球各大国根本没有联合建立起一套靠谱的预警与拦截发射系统。即使寄希望于埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk）这样的科技狂人，很多近地天体往往从太阳背后的盲区方向高速袭来，地面望远镜和探测器在它们近在咫尺之前根本察觉不到，等发现时一切早就为时已晚。
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### [01:49:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6558s) 金钱侵蚀政治：对政治献金与游说制度的愤怒抨击
在探讨完生存危机后，Ron White 突然将话题转向了政治体制：“你觉得限制向政党捐款的金额怎么样？”Ron 愤怒地表示，必须为所有人的政治献金设立严格的绝对上限，而且惩罚应该极其严厉：“如果有人多捐了一分钱，就应该把他们吊在绞刑架上吊死，直到断气为止。这就是我的看法，必须让亿万富翁彻底滚出政治。”
Joe Rogan 完全赞同这一观点，并进一步指出不仅是富豪个人，跨国巨头公司和背后的职业游说集团（lobbyists）也必须被彻底驱逐出政治领域。Joe 痛陈，金钱对美国政治的腐蚀与绑架已经如此根深蒂固，以至于普通大众甚至觉得“取消政治献金”是一个不切实际的天方夜谭。他辛辣地讽刺道，如果现行体制一开始不存在，现在有人提议：“不如我们允许那些经常往河流里偷排有毒废物、肆意污染生态系统、在第三世界国家大搞非法勾当的大型跨国公司，向政客无限制地塞钱，从而用巨额资金直接操纵和左右监管法律的制定，大家觉得怎么样？”那么任何人都会觉得这个提议荒谬透顶、纯属犯罪，然而这恰恰就是当下政坛真实上演的荒诞现实。
### [01:50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6600s) 政治腐败、威权体制与“仁慈独裁者”的空想
乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）与罗恩·怀特（Ron White）深入探讨了政治体系中普遍存在的利益输送与腐败现象。两人一致认为，一个理想的政府体系应当彻底将金钱隔绝在外，确保出台的每一项法律都是为了造福整个社会和大众，而不是服务于个别大型企业或特殊利益集团。公职人员理应获得公平的薪酬，但绝不应被允许利用职务便利进行内幕交易。罗恩直言不讳地指出：“我们被骗惨了，乔（We're being grifted, Joe）。”罗根对此百分之百认同，认为现行体制毫无疑问就是在搜刮民众。
随后，话题转向了不同的政治运作模式。罗恩提到自己最近听到了关于中国政治体制的讨论。尽管他明确强调自己绝不认为共产主义是解决任何问题的答案，但其官员选拔制度确实不是靠煽动民意的“人气比拼”来决定的；高层领导人通常是从基层摸爬滚打、经历数十年治理考验一步步提拔上来的，具备极强的国家运转与治理经验。罗根赞同高层职位确实需要丰富的行政资历，但他随即指出这种体制的致命弊端：领导人拥有绝对权力且无法被民意罢免，任何敢于公开发声批评政府的人都面临被关入集中营或秘密监狱的下场，甚至连超级富豪都会被“被消失”；政府与企业之间紧密捆绑，没有任何商业活动能够脱离官方的严密控制。罗根总结道，虽然这种模式在集中国家力量方面效率极高，但对个人自由而言却是一场噩梦。
针对“理想领导者”的讨论，罗根提到了常被政论家探讨的“仁慈独裁者”（benevolent dictator）概念——一个真心实意关心民众、道德高尚、自身无欲无求，仅仅想让世界变得更美好的领袖。但两人立刻承认，这种人现实中“根本不存在”。罗根剖析了权力顶层的心理机制：真正爬到权力巅峰的人，要么是渴望对外发动侵略的好战分子，要么是沉迷权色的色情狂，本质上都是贪恋“称霸全场”感觉的权力掮客。通往权力顶峰的道路布满荆棘与恶毒抹黑，普通的好人往往根本不愿承受这种人格摧残；而且美国总统表面上约五十万美元的年薪虽然对普通工作来说很丰厚，但与围绕在权力身边的千亿资本相比微不足道。结果便是政客们在离任后立即通过为银行家发表单场五十万美元的演讲来变现影响力。罗恩感叹道，吉米·卡特（Jimmy Carter）几乎是唯一一个卸任后始终保持简朴、从未靠特权发横财的前总统。
- 政治利益输送的核心问题：议员与官员通过内幕交易发财，卸任后以数十万美元的高额商业演讲形式获取延后利益。
- 选拔体制与自由的代价：经验丰富的官僚梯队在国家执行力上有其优势，但缺乏制衡的集权直接摧毁了言论自由与人身安全。
- 权力筛选机制的悖论：真正善良、无私的人往往不愿承受政坛肮脏残酷的人格攻击，导致最高职位往往被野心家占据。
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### [01:53:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6810s) 塔拉里科的言论、生物学事实与性别的边界
话题顺势转移到了得克萨斯州政坛的新兴人物、州众议员詹姆斯·塔拉里科（James Talarico）。罗恩认为塔拉里科或许能像卡特那样保持清正廉洁，罗根虽希望如此，但也指出塔拉里科此前发表过一些备受争议的言论，例如声称“上帝是非二元性别的”（God is non-binary）。罗恩解释说，普通大众听到“非二元”这种学术词汇容易感到紧张，但他能理解塔拉里科的初衷——上帝本身是一种无限的慈爱力量，并非世俗意义上的有性生物，不存在男女性别之分。
罗根表示理解这一哲学层面的比喻，但他强调，在现实社会讨论中，必须严格区分个人感受与客观生物学事实。罗根指出，成年人有权用任何自己喜欢的方式称呼自己，自称卡罗尔（Carol）或鲍勃（Bob）都无可厚非，但决不能让情绪化表达侵蚀科学分析。从生物学角度来看，人类由 XX 和 XY 染色体构成；极少数天生属于“双性人”（intersex），例如患有雄激素不敏感综合征（Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome）的个体，即便染色体为 XY 且睾丸存在于体内，外表却呈现出非常女性化的特征，这才是生物学意义上的异常形态。然而，当下社会中许多人仅仅是因为对自己的身体感到不适，便抗拒男性或女性的标签。
罗根强调，面对“性别焦虑症”（Gender Dysphoria），社会应当保有同理心，但这并不意味着可以扭曲现实。同情心不能凌驾于冷酷的客观现实之上，盲目妥协只会带来混乱与不公。他特别提到了体育竞技领域：一个生理男性即便心理上渴望被承认为女性，也绝不能被允许跨入女子网球等女子体育项目中竞技。同时，社会必须保持清晰的理性边界，能够明辨一个真正饱受性别焦虑折磨的人，与一个为了混入女性空间而声称自己是女性的性侵犯者之间的本质区别。
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### [01:56:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6990s) 青少年性别医疗干预的伦理危机与文化盲从
罗根进一步对当前针对未成年人的性别议题推崇表达了强烈反对。他回顾道，如果在二十年前，根本没有人会预料到性别认同会成为整个西方社会公共讨论的最核心议题。他最为反感和担忧的是针对心智尚未成熟的青少年进行激进医疗干预，包括过早进行变性手术以及服用青春期阻断剂。
罗根直接指出，所谓的青春期阻断剂等化学药物，其药物机理本质上与司法系统对性犯罪者实施“化学阉割”时使用的药物完全属于同一种类别。给甚至尚未弄清楚自己是谁、处于严重青春期迷茫中的孩子施加这种永久性的身体摧残，是极其不负责任的。罗根提到了近年来日益庞大的“去转变者”（de-transitioners）群体：许多年轻人在成年后对当初的医疗干预追悔莫及，然而当他们试图回归原本性别时，却往往遭遇跨性别社群和激进进步派团体的无情排斥，甚至被冷酷地攻击为“从一开始就不是真正的跨性别者”。
罗根批判了这种虚伪的政治话语。他指出，肤色或发色是与生俱来的稳定生理特征，而强行通过化学药物和外科手术改造他人身体，事后却以一句“你原本就不是同类”将受害者弃之不顾，是令人发指的逻辑。他强调，社会必须承认年轻人极易受到外界环境的影响，许多人仅仅是因为变性议题在当下的流行文化中具有极高的曝光度和话语权，出于对时尚潮流与社会归属感的盲从，才盲目说服自己做出了无法挽回的错误抉择。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 青少年过度医疗干预的恶性循环路径
accDescr: 展示文化思潮影响、青少年认知迷茫、激进医疗干预至去转变受阻的整个连锁反应链条。
subgraph Culture["社会文化与心理诱因"]
A["流行文化推崇与网络舆论影响"] --> B["青少年青春期身份认同迷茫"]
B --> C["自我诊断或社会诱导为性别焦虑"]
end
subgraph Intervention["不可逆的激进干预"]
C --> D["使用青春期阻断药物（化学阉割同类药）"]
D --> E["未成年阶段的外科变性手术"]
end
subgraph Aftermath["认知觉醒与次生伤害"]
E --> F["心智成熟后产生严重后悔（去转变者）"]
F --> G["遭遇原跨性别社群与进步圈子排挤放逐"]
end
```
---
### [01:58:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7110s) 肯·帕克斯顿的举报人丑闻与六百万美元纳税人账单
罗恩·怀特赞同对未成年人必须严加保护，坚决反对在十八岁之前进行任何不可逆的手术，但他随即把话题拉回了得克萨斯州政坛的现实腐败对比中。罗恩将年轻的塔拉里科与现任得州总检察长肯·帕克斯顿（Ken Paxton）进行了鲜明对比，指出塔拉里科从未让得克萨斯州承受数百万美元的罚款与诉讼赔偿，而帕克斯顿却劣迹斑斑。
罗根询问帕克斯顿究竟做了什么导致了六百万美元的巨额损失。罗恩详细讲述了2020年爆发的举报人丑闻：当时，帕克斯顿办公室内部的八名高级助手因发现其涉嫌贪腐与贿赂行为，联名向联邦调查局（FBI）进行了实名举报。在这批举报人中，甚至包括一名拥有长达五十年（半个世纪）卓越服役记录的得克萨斯州骑警（Texas Ranger）。面对指控，帕克斯顿非但没有正视问题，反而迅速实施报复，直接开除了包括这名老资历骑警在内的四名助手。
随后，这批遭到非法解雇的助手对帕克斯顿提起了恶意报复诉讼。帕克斯顿在意识到自己必输无疑后，曾试图私下拟定一份三百三十万美元的和解协议来平息事态。然而，得克萨斯州众议院拒绝动用公共预算为他的个人丑闻埋单。随后举报人继续诉讼并最终胜诉，赔偿金额飙升至六百万美元。罗恩愤怒地指出，最终填补这笔因帕克斯顿受贿与滥用职权所引发的六百万美元诉讼黑洞的，正是像罗根和他这样的得州普通纳税人。
- 举报事件核心：2020年，帕克斯顿总检察长办公室内部八名核心助理联名向 FBI 举报其涉嫌受贿和滥用公权力。
- 滥权报复行径：帕克斯顿直接开除了其中四名举报人，其中包括一名在得州骑警系统服役五十年的资深执法官。
- 纳税人买单：帕克斯顿私自达成的三百三十万美元和解协议被州众议院否决，后续法律判决导致得克萨斯州纳税人最终被迫承担了高达六百万美元的赔偿金。
### [02:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7200s) 德州政治腐败、大麻合法化与酒类行业的衰退
对话由德州政坛的腐败丑闻切入。两人谈到了德州总检察长肯·帕克斯顿（Ken Paxton）此前遭众议院弹劾的往事——众议院以 121 票对 22 票的压倒性优势通过了对他的弹劾，然而参议院最终却让他官复原职，纯粹是为了保住党派席位。罗恩·怀特（Ron White）对此深感愤怒，痛斥其为“彻头彻尾的罪犯”。对于民调显示民主党新秀詹姆斯·塔拉里科（James Talarico）在民调中处于领先地位，两人一点也不意外，因为德州民众对掌权 30 年却毫无建树的当权者感到极度厌倦，认为“该换个人来开这辆车了”。
随后，两人将矛头直指德州在推动大麻合法化上的停滞不前。全美民调显示约 70% 的人支持大麻合法化，但在德州，掌权政客却死守禁令。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）和怀特一致认为，这背后完全是酒精游说集团等既得利益者的金钱操控；在提倡自由的德州，这种行径不仅是对自由的讽刺，更是赤裸裸的腐败。反观加利福尼亚州，仅大麻税收就达到了惊人的 70 亿美元，且并未引发严重的社会问题。酒类游说团体之所以恐慌并全力阻击大麻，是因为当下酒类市场正在暴跌——葡萄酒、烈酒、龙舌兰等销量普遍下滑了 20% 以上。
究其原因，年轻一代已经不热衷于每晚买醉。年轻人背负着高达 80,000 美元的沉重学生贷款，钱包空空，根本无力消费昂贵的酒水。他们去俱乐部更倾向于抽点大麻，既便宜又不会有难受的宿醉体验。怀特坦言自己生活中需要某种微醺状态，但在尝遍各种方式后，他发现酒精是最糟糕的，而大麻和致幻蘑菇显然好得多。罗根补充道，所有反对大麻和蘑菇合法化的人，要么从未接触过、不懂自己在说什么，要么就是骨子里带有专制思维，妄图让政府全盘掌控公民的行为。
- 德州众议院曾以 121:22 投票弹劾总检察长肯·帕克斯顿，但参议院因党派利益将其复原。
- 全美约 70% 的民众支持大麻合法化；加州的大麻税收已达到 70 亿美元。
- 全美酒类消费（含葡萄酒、烈酒、龙舌兰等）全面下滑超过 20%。
- 年轻人远离酒精的主因包括：沉重的学贷债务负担（普遍达 80,000 美元）、抗拒宿醉，以及更青睐大麻带来的放松体验。
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### [02:02:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7364s) 社交媒体的监控焦虑与 Jelly Roll 的舆论风波
话题转向年轻人的行为习惯变化。罗根提出疑问：年轻人如今不去烂醉搞事，是否也与智能手机摄像头的普及有关？在短视频和社交媒体盛行的当下，任何人犯傻失态都会被录下来瞬间疯传全网，导致大家在公开场合变得拘谨小心。怀特打趣称这虽然从来没能阻止过自己喝大，但对当代年轻人而言，害怕在网上社死确实是一个不容忽视的心理负担。
这种对“被抓包、被网暴”的恐惧在公众人物身上更为极端，两人随即聊起了乡村音乐明星 Jelly Roll 近期遭遇的舆论围剿。作为一名正在事业巅峰的歌手，Jelly Roll 因在电视节目上的言论被部分保守派网民彻底抵制。怀特表示自己虽和 Jelly Roll 不算特别深交，但见过几次，深知对方是一个为人极其友善的大好人，而且 Jelly Roll 自幼就是怀特的忠实粉丝；即便如此，怀特也认为 Jelly Roll 在公开场合发表涉政言论绝非明智之举。
罗根推测，当时 Jelly Roll 是在客串主持《吉米·坎摩尔直播秀》（Jimmy Kimmel Live!），开场独白极有可能是节目组编剧撰写的。鉴于吉米·坎摩尔一贯鲜明的反特朗普立场，Jelly Roll 可能是缺乏经验，在不知不觉中被这帮编剧当了枪使，结果一句话将自己推到了舆论的风口浪尖。
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### [02:05:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7500s) 巨变中的阵痛、脱口秀试水与网络舆论的宽容度
罗根分析指出，Jelly Roll 最近的人生正经历着翻天覆地的剧变：他成功减重 300 磅并开始狂热健身，整个人生和体态彻底重塑，随后又经历了离婚的打击。在情绪和生活剧烈波动的阶段，他又尝试涉足竞争残酷的脱口秀领域，并在《吉米·坎摩尔直播秀》这类聚光灯下登台。脱口秀的成长之路极其漫长且艰难，Jelly Roll 虽然在俱乐部演过几次也获得了笑声，但作为一个新手，在国家级电视台上直接去触碰特朗普这类极度敏感的政治话题，无异于直接激怒了他核心的乡村乐迷基本盘。
尽管遭遇反噬，怀特与罗根都坚信凭借 Jelly Roll 卓越的创作天赋和唱歌实力，他终究会走出低谷。罗根以坎耶·韦斯特（Kanye West）为例：坎耶此前戴着嵌有纳粹标志的钻石项链到处晃荡，发表了极其疯狂的言论，但一年后依然能在大型体育场爆满开唱。真正具备顶尖才华的人往往具有惊人的回血能力。至于那些在网上疯狂围剿 Jelly Roll 的狂热网民，罗根认为人们往往出于对自己犯错的极度恐惧，才会对跌下神坛的名人表现出嗜血般的攻击欲望。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Jelly Roll 舆论风波的成因与发展脉络
accDescr: 展示 Jelly Roll 从生活剧变、涉足脱口秀，到节目失言引发网络围剿及两人对其后续职业韧性的分析。
subgraph Background["人生剧变与跨界挑战"]
A["生活发生巨大重构<br/>(减重300磅、离婚)"] --> B["尝试脱口秀演艺道路<br/>(在俱乐部打磨段子)"]
B --> C["受邀客串主持<br/>《吉米·坎摩尔直播秀》"]
end
subgraph Incident["争议爆发与网暴反应"]
C --> D["独白中引用特朗普言论<br/>调侃'从一头肥猪到另一头肥猪'"]
D --> E["保守派乐迷不满与反噬<br/>社交媒体掀起抵制狂潮"]
end
subgraph Assessment["罗根与怀特的评估"]
E --> F["新手涉政脱口秀缺乏经验<br/>触碰了核心乐迷敏感神经"]
F --> G["才华极高且为人友善<br/>终将跨过坎坷迎来反弹"]
end
```
为了弄清 Jelly Roll 到底说了什么，两人在节目中查找了原始新闻和视频片段。原来，Jelly Roll 当时只是拿自己减重 300 磅开涮，笑称自己减掉的体重相当于“一整个唐纳德·特朗普”；随后他引用了特朗普过去评价他人体重的言辞，调侃道：“总统先生，作为‘一头肥猪对另一头肥猪’的忠告，根据我的经验，身体健康是非常重要的。”看罢原文，两人均觉得这个段子本身无伤大雅，甚至还挺幽默，只是在极端极化的政治氛围下，加上他随后喊话“如果是特朗普支持者就别听我的歌”，才被网络情绪无限放大。播客随后播放了节目的原始切片以继续求证细节。
### [02:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7800s) 杰利·罗尔的脱口秀表演与惊人的减肥历程
节目一开始播放了一段乡村摇滚歌手杰利·罗尔（Jelly Roll）的舞台脱口秀片段。视频中，杰利·罗尔拿自己的体重调侃唐纳德·特朗普（Donald Trump），打趣称特朗普现在体重飙升到将近 240 磅，而自己这几年减了 300 磅，“相当于减掉了一整只唐纳德·特朗普”。他接着讽刺根据支持率来看，大半个美国也都想甩掉特朗普，并翻出以往特朗普攻击克里斯·克里斯蒂（Chris Christie）等政客是“大胖猪”、“胖懒汉”（fat slob）的搞笑历史镜头，随后以“同为胖猪”的口吻建议特朗普注意身体健康，“相信我，瘦下来后能再次看到自己的阴茎，你会非常开心的……我前不久刚看了一眼，还挺意外它长得挺可爱的”。
乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）和罗恩·怀特（Ron White）看完后会心一笑。怀特评价这属于非常初级的单口喜剧，听起来更像政客在做公开演讲，但承认表现得相当不错；罗根则指出，这完全是脱口秀开场白（Monologue）的风格，明眼人一看就知道是有写手代笔，杰利·罗尔只是照着提词器念稿子，根本不是即兴发挥。不过两人一致肯定他的整体状态与形象大有改观。罗根感叹杰利·罗尔现在变得非常英俊且健美，并分享了两次震撼的亲眼见闻：
- **播客录制时的体能表现**：杰利·罗尔来罗根的工作室录节目期间，罗根在前面撸铁健身，杰利·罗尔居然在跑步机上一口气跑了 6.5 英里，而且全程一边跑一边气定神闲地大声聊天，心肺耐力惊人。
- **慈善演出的敏捷身手**：在马修·麦康纳（Matthew McConaughey）举办的“Mack, Jack & McConaughey (MJ&M)”大型慈善拍卖晚会上，杰利·罗尔受邀演出。退场时，站在后台左侧的罗根和托尼·辛奇克利夫（Tony Hinchcliffe）亲眼目睹杰利·罗尔单手抓着带扶手的楼梯栏杆，“像猫一样轻巧地翻了过去”。罗根当时当场惊呼：“你知不知道你刚才干了什么？你以前可是有 500 磅重，现在居然能像猫一样翻越栏杆！”
罗根感叹杰利·罗尔完全脱胎换骨成了另一个人，这种转变极具鼓舞性。但谈到他在舞台上拿特朗普开涮的那些政治段子，罗根无奈地表示“有时候收益远远抵不上带来的麻烦”（the juice is not worth the squeeze），因为拿特朗普开玩笑很容易惹怒那些狂热的支持者。
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### [02:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8100s) 政治狂热、伯尼·桑德斯与民主党初选机制
罗根与怀特随后将话题延伸到政治偶像崇拜。怀特指出特朗普的支持者极其疯狂狂热，特朗普在他们眼里已经超越了凡人，宛如“基督”降临。罗根分析道，现代社会中民众面对生活的无力感，总渴望一个能拯救大家的领袖，把所有希望寄托在一个人身上，而政客恰恰擅长兜售这种廉价的虚妄希望。
怀特回忆起自己过去常说的观点：如果你生活潦倒、身无长物又没有受过良好教育，伯尼·桑德斯（Bernie Sanders）才是真正该支持的人，因为桑德斯提倡提高联邦最低工资，能让你实实在在地每小时多挣几块钱；指望天降横财或者救世主拯救人生是根本不现实的。
罗根表示赞同，但也剖析了自己对桑德斯态度的转变：
- **最初的力挺与遭遇网暴**：罗根提到，当年吉米·多尔（Jimmy Dore）上他的播客问他打算给谁投票，罗根公开表示如果非要选一个，他会投伯尼·桑德斯，因为桑德斯是当时唯一坚定的反战派，且主张通过征收华尔街金融投机税来支持社会福利项目。那也是罗根人生中第一次因为政治立场遭受到全网的大规模围剿。
- **对桑德斯妥协的失望**：罗根解释自己如今不再像当年那样狂热支持桑德斯，主要原因在于桑德斯最终屈服于民主党建制派。在 2016 年与希拉里·克林顿（Hillary Clinton）竞争时，民主党全国委员会被曝出操纵初选，但桑德斯却选择逆来顺受、任由建制派碾压，没有拍桌子公开反抗这种系统性舞弊。
- **抨击民主党剥夺初选权力**：罗根愤怒地批评民主党声称代表进步和变革，但实际上已经有十多年没有办过一场真正合法的党内初选。他举例指责 2024 年大选换将的过程极其荒谬：在乔·拜登（Joe Biden）辩论表现崩溃、身体状况堪忧后，建制派直接强行塞入卡玛拉·哈里斯（Kamala Harris），根本不顾党内规矩和选民初选流程。怀特讽刺拜登“不过是打了会儿盹”，罗根则感叹拜登居然还能撑到现在，直言自己此前一直担心拜登身体撑不过下一个完整的四年任期。
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### [02:18:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8280s) J.D. 万斯的“末日论”演讲与宗教世界观
聊到政治现状，罗根随口叹了口气说“反正一切很快就要完蛋了”，怀特追问他是指 AI 还是世界末日，罗根回答是末日浩劫，并顺势提到了副总统候选人 J.D. 万斯（J.D. Vance）在蒂姆·狄龙（Tim Dillon）节目上被热烈讨论的一段公开演讲。罗根与怀特随后在手机上找出了这段被全网热议的原视频音频并播放：
> “……虽然如果说我们正生活在末日时代（end times），我并不会感到意外，但我现在试图专注于尽可能多地践行上帝的事业。如果这带来了末世，那也可以（okay）；而如果这带来了我们建设一个更加美好的世界、在我死后依然生生不息繁荣长存，那当然也很好……”
听完录音，罗根与怀特对万斯的表述顺序与逻辑感到极度荒谬与震惊：
- **颠倒的目标导向**：罗根当场质疑万斯的言论，指出他的潜台词听起来竟然是将“建设美好世界”排在次要顺位，而把“走向世界末日”轻描淡写地称为“那也可以”（okay）。
- **宗教末日情结的危害**：怀特犀利地指出，人类的目标必须是建设一个繁荣、快乐的美丽世界，绝不能把末日作为理所当然甚至可以接受的选项。罗根对此深表认同，强调这就是某些坚信“既定圣经末日预言”的狂热宗教徒最危险的地方——他们打心底里渴望预言兑现，因此并不敬畏毁灭。
- **万斯的宗教信仰背景**：怀特好奇万斯是真信徒还是立人设的假宗教徒，罗根证实万斯是一名虔诚的皈依天主教徒，不仅在各种场合大谈个人精神信仰历程，还曾撰文并谈及自己的精神转变与归信之路。罗根回忆万斯登上自己播客时，两人也详细探讨过这方面的内容。
### [02:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8400s) 惠特利·斯特里伯的《圣餐》与 J.D. 万斯的改名风波
两人由一本书的标题展开闲聊，发现它与惠特利·斯特里伯（Whitley Strieber）描写自己遭遇外星人绑架的著名畅销书《圣餐》（Communion）重名；乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）顺势提到该书在 1989 年被改编成了电影，由克里斯托弗·沃肯（Christopher Walken）主演。朗·怀特（Ron White）则表示自己之前只知道《乡下人的悲歌》（Hillbilly Elegy），对新动态不太了解。话题随后转向了 J.D. 万斯（J.D. Vance）多次更改姓名的事情。屏幕前的制作人杰米（Jamie）调出背景资料，梳理了万斯从出生到成年改换姓名的来龙去脉：
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: J.D. 万斯的姓名变更历程
accDescr: 流程图展示了 J.D. 万斯从出生到法学院毕业期间经历的三次改名和四个名字演变。
A["出生名：James Donald Bowman"] --> B["母亲再婚后：James David Hamill<br/>（高中时期自称 J.D. Hamill）"]
B --> C["2013年法学院毕业前：James David Vance<br/>（改随外祖父母的姓氏 Vance）"]
```
怀特和罗根讨论认为，虽然万斯每次改名背后都有家庭层面的逻辑（比如母亲改嫁、由继父领养，以及最终为了致敬抚养他长大的外祖父母“嬷嬷”和“公公”而改随母系姓氏），并非为了逃税之类的勾当，但在一个人的一生中改名三到四次，依然显得异乎寻常。罗根不禁揣测这是否属于一种想要“彻底重塑自我”的心理驱动。随后话题延伸到了宗教中的“末世论”（end times talk），罗根明确表示自己极度反感并警惕这类言论，直言宣扬末日降临的人听起来像疯子，让人感到毛骨悚然；他赞同宗教为社会提供道德与伦理框架的价值，但一旦有人以绝对权威的姿态宣称自己洞悉终极真相、预言末日何时到来，他便会彻底关上交流的大门。
### [02:22:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8550s) 浸信会舅舅的荒唐求婚与方言募捐
朗·怀特借此分享了自己在得克萨斯狭长地带（Texas Panhandle）小镇浸信会环境中的成长经历。他的舅舅曾是一名浸信会牧师，怀特从小深度参与教会活动，视舅舅为生命中唯一的精神偶像与真理代言人。然而这份崇拜在成年后遭遇了哭笑不得的崩塌——这位已经 90 岁高龄、身上甚至隐隐带着尿骚味的老牧师，居然在一次演出间隙背着外甥，向怀特的女友珍妮（Jeannie）当场求婚。怀特演完第一场回公寓时发现客厅空无一人，珍妮随后告诉他：“他刚才向我求婚了。”怀特起初以为在开玩笑，珍妮回绝老牧师说“我爱的是你外甥”，结果老牧师竟反问：“那他向你求婚了吗？”这段荒谬的往事让两人捧腹大笑，罗根也打趣说老人当时肯定是脑子糊涂了。
怀特进一步回忆起家族在宗教观念上的撕裂。镇上的人基本非浸信会即基督会（Church of Christ），而两派之间甚至水火不容。基督会作为发源于得州的教派，规矩极为严格。怀特的祖母就是虔诚的基督会信徒，每逢周日都会开着车载上一车老太太去聚会。坐在祖母身旁的怀特经常感到尴尬无比，因为祖母每逢礼拜天早上就会当场“说方言”（speaking in tongues）；而更绝妙的是，牧师的妻子随后必然会站起来行使所谓的“方言翻出来”的恩赐（gift of interpretation），但每一次翻译出来的“神意”，无一例外都是号召大家“掏空钱包为教会奉献”。罗根辛辣地讽刺道：“可真够巧的。”这段经历让他们自然联想到了 HBO 讽刺巨型教会与福音商人家庭的喜剧剧集《宝佑吾民》（The Righteous Gemstones），怀特盛赞该剧是他这辈子看过最搞笑、最入木三分的作品。
### [02:25:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=8700s) 讲台与舞台的渊源及终场告别
朗·怀特指出，这种带有强烈煽动性的传道风格其实是很多殿堂级单口喜剧演员的技艺源头。比如传奇喜剧演员萨姆·基尼森（Sam Kinison）最早就是巡回布道牧师出身；怀特自己也是在台下看舅舅布道时，第一次领悟到了舞台演讲与控场的魅力：
- 舅舅在讲台上极富幽默感，每周都能把台下逗得前仰后合，一边把人逗乐一边“拯救灵魂”，怀特当时便立志也要成为掌控舞台的人，区别仅在于他想把宗教教条换成下流的荤段子。
- 克里斯·洛克（Chris Rock）的家庭长辈中同样有牧师血统，这种布道节奏深度融入了他的表演风格。
- “电缆工拉里”（Larry the Cable Guy）的父亲同样是兼任养猪场主的布道牧师，罗根戏称“猪农加牧师”的配方自然能孕育出拉里这样的舞台形象。
罗根总结道，宗教最大的危险在于人们本能地渴望权威给予答案，以至于盲从那些宣称“不按我说的做就下地狱受永恒煎熬”的狂热分子；每个人都可以保留自己的信仰，怀特也承认自己一生中犯过无数次错误、并不自认掌握真理，但当信徒试图将个人教条强加于他人意志之上时，便成了人类社会绵延千年的灾难。
随着夜色渐深，罗根提议收工，因为两人当晚还有现场脱口秀演出。怀特让制作人帮忙查询了自己即将到来的巡演日程，两人在温馨的互道感谢与兄弟深情中结束了整场播客对谈：
- 怀特将于周四晚在俱乐部压轴连演两场，为随后的佛罗里达巡演热身。
- 佛罗里达及后续巡演站点包括 9 月 11 日的杰克逊维尔（Jacksonville）、12 日的代托纳比奇（Daytona Beach）、13 日的萨拉索塔（Sarasota），以及 9 月 18 日在得州大草原城（Grand Prairie）举行的个人从业 40 周年专场纪念演出。
- 拉斯维加斯站则选在拥有 2,300 个座位的大都会酒店（The Cosmopolitan），怀特笑称届时将入住美高梅大酒店（MGM Grand）的豪宅套房，在巡演间隙尽情打高尔夫球。
## Notable quotes
> [00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=0s) 那绝对不行 — 罗恩·怀特
> [07:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=420s) 无论发生什么，绝对不要停下这个节目。 — 乔·罗根
> [12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=750s) 如果好运到头了，那我就接受；但我绝不会为了‘以后能一直过普通生活’而‘现在委屈自己过普通生活’。 — 乔·罗根
> [15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=900s) 我居然得靠向银行借钱、分期付款，才能拉出一泡屎！ — 罗恩·怀特
> [30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=1800s) 我们必须把车头降低一英寸。 — 库尔特·布施
> [48:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=2913s) 为什么网上总有人在狂黑咱们的俱乐部？ — 罗恩·怀特
> [01:00:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3600s) 美国的立国之本，就是在不伤害他人的前提下，人们拥有做任何事情的自由。 — 乔·罗根
> [01:02:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=3738s) Either you're too fucking stupid to be a leader, or you're on the take — 乔·罗根
> [01:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4200s) 要是哪天有人说我自杀了，那绝对不是真的。我根本不是那种人。乔，到时候你可得替我查清楚到底是谁杀了我。 — 罗恩·怀特
> [01:16:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=4594s) 既然最后还得坐普通大巴，那大家为什么不一开始就直接坐大巴去目的地？ — 罗恩·怀特
> [01:31:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=5497s) 别住在多跨一步就能让你丧命的地方。 — 乔·罗根
> [01:49:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6558s) 如果有人多捐了一分钱，就应该把他们吊在绞刑架上吊死，直到断气为止。这就是我的看法，必须让亿万富翁彻底滚出政治。 — 罗恩·怀特
> [01:50:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=6600s) We're being grifted, Joe — 罗恩·怀特
> [02:10:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SIbt2s28Y&t=7800s) 你知不知道你刚才干了什么？你以前可是有 500 磅重，现在居然能像猫一样翻越栏杆！ — 乔·罗根
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Source quotes
[0:00] 罗恩·怀特: 那绝对不行
[7:00] 乔·罗根: 无论发生什么，绝对不要停下这个节目。
[12:30] 乔·罗根: 如果好运到头了，那我就接受；但我绝不会为了‘以后能一直过普通生活’而‘现在委屈自己过普通生活’。
[15:00] 罗恩·怀特: 我居然得靠向银行借钱、分期付款，才能拉出一泡屎！
[30:00] 库尔特·布施: 我们必须把车头降低一英寸。
[48:33] 罗恩·怀特: 为什么网上总有人在狂黑咱们的俱乐部？
[60:00] 乔·罗根: 美国的立国之本，就是在不伤害他人的前提下，人们拥有做任何事情的自由。
[62:18] 乔·罗根: Either you're too fucking stupid to be a leader, or you're on the take
[70:00] 罗恩·怀特: 要是哪天有人说我自杀了，那绝对不是真的。我根本不是那种人。乔，到时候你可得替我查清楚到底是谁杀了我。
[76:34] 罗恩·怀特: 既然最后还得坐普通大巴，那大家为什么不一开始就直接坐大巴去目的地？
[91:37] 乔·罗根: 别住在多跨一步就能让你丧命的地方。
[109:18] 罗恩·怀特: 如果有人多捐了一分钱，就应该把他们吊在绞刑架上吊死，直到断气为止。这就是我的看法，必须让亿万富翁彻底滚出政治。
[110:00] 罗恩·怀特: We're being grifted, Joe
[130:00] 乔·罗根: 你知不知道你刚才干了什么？你以前可是有 500 磅重，现在居然能像猫一样翻越栏杆！
Original transcript
[0:00] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! I like him though, I mean, he's a nice kid, I've talked to him a little while in the green room, and then I thought he had a pretty good set. He's funny, Matt's funny, Matt Reif is very funny. What the fuck's going on? I don't get fucking crowd work. It's not my thing, but I get it, you know, it's a tough skill. They're really good at it. I guess they are, but I won't let my opening act do it. Oh, it becomes a problem. Because then they feel like they can talk to me, which they cannot. Yes. Because I just, I always looked at it as a time killer back when I had 41 minutes, but I was supposed to do 45 minutes. And I'm like, I got to talk to these fucking hayseeds for four minutes and get this thing wrapped up. But once I had the jokes, you know, I just do the fucking jokes. Yeah. I mean, I don't knock it. It's cool. It's a different thing. It's a different thing. It relies on a very strong improvisational muscle because you're under the gun to come up with something funny to say. But it is always funnier because it's under the gun than it would be in a normal circumstance, like the things that you're saying. But you can never use it again. I mean, you can use the skill all the time. I mean, I guess some people are that good at it. Ingram's really good at it. Rick Ingram. So often. Oh, yeah. So kind of blend the two together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He seamlessly integrates the two of them together. He's really good at it. Big Jay, Big Jay Oakerson, he's really good at it. He's really good at it because he knows how to hold a moment. Yeah. He knows how to hold, like, when someone says something ridiculous. He knows how to pause. He knows how to, like, he's got great storytelling. Yeah, he's a nice guy, too. He's a great guy. But he also is a great comic. Like, he just does funny stand-up comedy on top of that. So it's like, yeah, the crowd work is nice, but it's not the only thing he does. Right. Whereas some people, that's their whole thing. Well, I hear these young comics at the club. I've got to work on my crowd work. work and I'm like, well, you don't, but... Is your Pat O'Neill's joke about that? I don't want to give it up on the air, but it's really hilarious. He's funny, man. That guy's a joke machine. Pat O'Neill. I think Pat is, you know, I had him on my show, too, right after I saw him on Kill Tony. So funny. And, you know, it's amazing. Kill Tony, what was the kid's name that opened last night? Oh, you weren't there Monday night. I was there Monday night. The young kid, he's from Alabama. Do you know who I'm talking about? I do know. He just got the golden ticket until Tony. Yeah, when I was hosting. And you were there that night. Let me text Tony. I'll find out. Find out. It might not have been aired yet. Has it airs? No, I just don't know his name. Fucking kid's hilarious. He works at the club, too. Cool kid, too. And, you know, I was living in Alabama. Decided to take a chance. Brent Reid? Brent Reid. Yeah, Brent Reid. He's opening for me tonight. Funny motherfucker, dude. And he was saying, that's right, because he was saying, like you said, after you saw him on Kill Tony, hey, I'd like to have you open for me. And he was like, holy fucking shit, man. He had called his dad. Yeah. He's like, I'm fucking opening for Ron White. He just said about his comedy career. Stand-up, you know, stand-up's not as funny as it used to be to me. It's very, very rare that I'll sit and watch somebody do stand-up and laugh out loud if I'm up on the balcony. But that kid cracked me up. He's very good. Great writing. What's amazing is that... When he came back on Kill Tony, he'd only been on one time. One time. Actually not. And they already knew who he was. I mean, they gave him a round of applause. Like, it was one of the biggest comics in the country, and he'd been on once. Yeah. And the second time was... He'd actually – I thought that too. But he had actually been on before and bombed. And he talked about that, about how he came back. And this set, he was just – he'd been working at the club. He'd been living in Austin. It's way more comfortable. He built his act up. And he was, like, super honest about it. We're all chilling in the back. Very cool guy. We were just talking about it. He's like, yeah, I just had to get my shit together, man. I didn't figure out what the fuck I'm doing. And the first time I did, I kind of froze. But this time I was like – and this time he had to follow that other dude. Who was that other dude who also got a golden ticket? Right, right. Two in a row. Who was that guy? That guy was funny. Have we seen him since? I haven't seen him back up at the club. I haven't seen him since, but that guy's fucking talented, too. He was very funny. So they got two golden tickets in a row. Who was the other guy that got a golden ticket in a row? He had a fun name, like a made-up name. Give me a second, sorry. Yeah, it was like Sir... I don't remember. Something. I don't remember. I don't either. I don't remember, but it was hilarious. It was ridiculous. Whatever his name was was ridiculous. So I just got back from Lake Como and Verona and Zermatt, Switzerland,
[5:00] Oh, damn, dude. Fucking 20, 21 days. Wow. Of just pure relaxation. And I got to tell you, I dug every goddamn minute of it. It was 107 degrees here in Texas. It was, oh, the high today is 62. Yeah, that guy right there. What is his name? - Shit. Thomas right here. It's French, I think. Yeah, I know it. Francois something, right? I think it's a fake name. Let's see if he says it here, sorry. Does he say it? I can't hear. I'm fine, I'm fine. Okay, tell me what it is. But that dude is very funny, too. Yeah, he's talented. Super funny in the interview, too. Like, very funny back and forth. Just a funny dude. Right. So two golden tickets in a row. But anyway, that guy killed so hard that when the other guy came on after him, it's like, holy shit. Like, you got a tough spot here. And he murdered. And he murdered right on top of it. didn't work. I mean, it wasn't like play in a kill tony crowd that's right right it's a different little crowd and so uh but he he got his footing back and uh you know and and uh and did a great job for me so and then is it didrick the the other guy the yes dedrick yeah dedrick flynn yeah fucking hilarious yeah i think he's one of the best around absolutely just his demeanor on stage he's on the show tonight too leave Atlanta. He was stuck in Atlanta and just spinning his wheels and he couldn't make it happen. And then he came out here and got on Kiltonium. Boom. It's just such a great opportunity if you're ready for it. If you're not, it's just another passing moment and the crowds love it too. I mean, the crowds get it, but if you're not ready, it ain't going to happen. Steve Francois. Francois, yeah. Comedy seller. I think he has that added. That's what he calls himself, the Comedy Cellar, like S-E-L-L-E-R, unlike the club. That's right. That was his crazy name, the Comedy Cellar, but very funny, dude. Yeah, I mean, it's the greatest thing for comedians in the history of comedy in terms of having a real platform that if you've been banging it out on the road for seven, eight, nine, ten years, you put together a solid half hour, hour, you're really starting to tour, you're middling for guys. Right. You're really starting to feel like a real comic, and you got one banger minute on Kill Tony. Boom. Next thing you know, you show up. Like, look at all these guys. Look at Ari Matty. Ari Matty goes on stage. They go fucking bananas now. Yeah, they do. They fucking do the black keys asked me to bring William Montgomery to the club because I was going up that night and they're coming to the club They go. Hey, is William Montgomery coming? I'll make sure he comes. I called him up. I Fuck, man. It's so much fun. Even though I enjoyed it when I first saw it out in L.A., I did not see, I did not have the vision that Tony has, you know, that what it could be someday. I just thought it was a great idea, and I didn't know if it would ever go anywhere, but good God. I'm sorry. I told him Maybe like four or five years in, I go, whatever you do, don't stop doing this. I go, this is going to be one of the biggest shows in comedy. I go, this is so unique and so huge and so different. And the way you host and the way you do it is different than the way anybody else would do it. And nobody else could do it. It's all him. He really is pure genius, the show is. He's a genius host. People hate on that guy. You have no idea how talented he is. That improvisational talent that he has off the bat like that. Oh, I have an idea. Second to none. No. Second to none. Second to none. It's incredible. He's like, really? You think so? I go, do not ever stop doing this show. This show's going to be fucking huge. Fuck, and it is, too. And now it sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row. Two nights in a row. Yeah, well, I wish I could do that. It's amazing. I love it. I'm so happy for him. And it's so cool to watch. And it's such a positive karma show because all the comics that leave that show and they take off. country. I love it, man. I love it when somebody hits it. Well, it's great for all of us. It is. It's great for the club. It's great for the young people coming up to see that it's possible that someone else can make it there. It's like, it's the new Hollywood, you got a sitcom thing. You know what I mean? It's like very similar. Because back in those days, when one of your friends got a sitcom, you're like, holy shit, Mike got cast on fucking Bob's Cousin, whatever the fuck it is. Some stupid ass sitcom. everybody was like, wow, maybe I can make it too. This is the new version of that. You're seeing guys, but now it's just stand-up. You have a real career in stand-up from it.
[10:00] That's all I've ever done is stand-up comedy. And so that's kind of a weird... career, you know, not to be able to bounce to here off of anything other than just jokes. Stand-up comedy is a weird career, period. Because, you know, everyone's like psychologically fragile, right? And then you're going through these ups and downs and you're trying to sell tickets and you're trying to be relevant and... And something's got to happen. Something's got to happen. Right. I mean, there's got to be a catalyst. Right. And for me, it was all, you know, the blue collar comedy tour, which now people don't even remember what that is. But at one time, it was a big deal, you know, and it it most people my age remember it. Most people are also shocked that there's not another one. Some other guys haven't figured out how to do something like that. Like, take that level of comics, like four of them, put them together, and go on tour. Right. Well, you know, with the killers that killed Tony, it's kind of like that. It's a little bit like that. A group of some guys. Not as big as Foxworthy, and Foxworthy was the only real star of that show when it started. He was willing to share a stage with me, and that was the catalyst for me. But I'd also been doing stand-up for... 14 years, and I've been headlining comedy clubs for 11 of them. That's the thing, right? There's no substitute for the time in. And there's so many guys that are, like, right about to crack. You know, that's where Kill Tony really comes along. Guys that have really put that time in, really been on the road. Yeah, if you're prepared for the opportunity, then that's the best thing out there for you. And if you're not, then it was just another fucking day at the park, you know? No big deal. Then you have to figure out what the fuck you're going to do with your life. Yeah. Good luck. Because you bomb on Kill Tony and you're an Uber Eats driver and you're like, oh no. Man. What is my life now? Yeah, you know, I'm glad that I didn't really get weird exposure early. That's the worst thing that can happen is you win a contest or something, and you don't have the show to back it up with, but all of a sudden you can sell tickets, and that's just a death spiral is what that is. Yeah, that could do you in. It's all there's a such a dance like what works and what doesn't work guys trying to find their voice on stage and trying to write and trying to figure out what to do and then also might have a drinking problem. Also might do cocaine. Right. Also might have owe the IRS fifty thousand dollars. You know, they're like some of these guys are so fucked up. But like there's some of our favorite artists. Yeah. And when they crack through and then all of a sudden become comfortable and make a living, it's a fucking glorious thing to say. at the comedy store because all the comics park in that parking lot. And you could tell when something happened because it's either shitty cars or great cars. There was no medium cars out there. You were either broke or you had cash. And if you had cash, you had a new car. I know. There would be times you go back there. It was like Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette. Right. Vega. Well, there was always a lot of people that drank. I always tried to talk Mark Meredith to get a nice car. He would never do it. Him and Ari. Like, I had an M3 once. Sensible car. This is not too crazy. It's not to look at me fun. It's so fun to drive. I go dude It makes driving a ride. You don't even have to go fast just the way it handles the way it accelerates the braking carbon fiber brakes It's got carbon ceramic brakes man. It's fucking incredible. It's cool. It's on rails this thing I was like he goes how much is it and we were going back. He just couldn't be that I was the same way when I first started making money because I just assumed it was all going to end, right? So, which it does normally. And so I was like, fuck, man, I just got to be ready for when this I got to make as much money as I can and work as hard as I can before this whole thing comes tumbling fucking down. Wow. And it never fucking did. So now then I was like, well, somebody's got to put a stop to this. And then I tried to quit for a little while, but fuck, it's just too much fun. Every penny I had for years. I didn't give a fuck even when I was on TV. I was living like a baller. I was just spending all my money. I I didn't save anything. I was like, if it doesn't go, if it goes out, I'm not living normal now so I could live normal forever. I'll figure out a way to live normal. Right. Like, right now, I'm on fucking television. Like, give me a car. Let's go. Over to my house. I was like, look, if I go bankrupt, I've had my car repossessed before. I've been broke before. Like, okay, I'll be broke again. But right now, I'm not broke. So I'm going to live like I'm not broke. Yeah. I was living like I wasn't broke this year. past three weeks in Switzerland. That's a nice way to live, man, but I don't think you could do it forever. I think that's the thing. You have to work as hard as you do. You're always touring. You're always working on your material. You're always writing. You're always doing sets. You're at the club all the time. You're always
[15:00] banging it out. So for you, you've earned that. Like when you kick back and you got a fucking pina colado, you don't drink anymore, but you're sitting back with whatever you're doing, just taking in that sun, not a damn thing to do. People are feeding you food. Yeah. The work's already been done. Yeah. But you have to earn that. If you just do that, that's not good on its own. People look to that thing as if it's like Jordan Peterson's talked about that before, like the people imagine their retirement. Sitting on a beach drinking margaritas. How many margaritas can you drink? How long can you sit on that beach before now you're depressed? Or even if you bought a yacht. How long can you sit on that? That's crazy. Before you're bored out of your skull. But yeah, at almost 70 years old, fuck yeah, I deserve all the... I get to do whatever I want. Yeah, you get to do whatever you want. But again, 20 days is good. Have you ever been to Switzerland? I have not. Fuck. It's beautiful. It's so gorgeous. And it's not even that. It's the infrastructure of it. And, you know, we're $40 trillion in debt. We don't have a high-speed train to anywhere. Where's our shit, you know? But you can get to the top of almost any mountain there at 70 years old. You'll take a train to here, a fucking auger cut through a mountain here, then a gondola over there, and then over the top. and come back. It was fucking gorgeous. The only thing I didn't like... was pay toilets. Because you have to have a dollar in Swiss francs. To take a shit? To take a shit. And I'm like, that's discrimination. Why is it discrimination? Only people with a... Dollar can shit here? And then... And it wouldn't take a euro, and it wouldn't take American money, but then I found out, oh, you can use a credit card, so I have to borrow money to shit. Yeah, and make payments. It's a dollar. A dollar to shit. Yeah, but if you don't have one of those dollars, you've got to get your credit card out and swipe it on this. I guess after a while, everybody adjusts, and you just keep a dollar with you if you're going to go out in case you have to shit. And that way, at least you keep the riffraff out of the toilets. Yeah, well, riffraff got to shit somewhere. They do. You don't want them shitting on the street. And I was about to shit on the floor if I couldn't find a way in. And finally, another guy behind me says, your credit card works. I'm like, You should be able to do Apple Pay. Yeah, straight through to the shitter. Yeah, can't you? But I loved it. I had so much fun. Lake Como was so beautiful. Well, you know, Switzerland has... famously been neutral. That's Switzerland. And a lot of banks. A lot of banks go over there. A lot of money, and they don't spend any of it on war. Yeah, they spend a dime of it on war. it was kind of interesting because, um, I went to France almost exactly a year before, and I got kicked off that cruise ship, the little Viking cruise. Did I ever tell you that story about kicked off of that fucking thing? This episode is brought to you by NBC. When you put agents from the Secret Service, U.S. Marshals, DOJ, and FBI together, it makes for pretty lively dinner table conversation. of law enforcement agents. Each week they work together on high-stakes cases, taking down the country's most dangerous criminals. Like any family, the Hollingsworths don't always see eye to eye, but they always have each other's backs. After all, working in the federal government isn't just their job, it's the family business. Line of Fire premieres Monday, September 21 at 10, 9 central, after The Voice on NBC and the next day on Peacock. I knew it was going to be a problem right because i got weed and gummies and shit and i'm like i don't know if this is going to work or now but i'll just see what i can get away with right and then uh and then i'll deny it and then do something different you know we we park the boat every day i can just get off the boat and smoke i don't really care and the fucking people came down on me so hard at viking cruises and uh the captain of the ship confronted me in front of a bunch of people really loud and aggressive Called me a liar. Were you lying? No, I was smoking pot out on my deck, which is where the first guy came in and said, hey, listen, you can't smoke pot in your room, but if you want to smoke pot on your deck, well, that's what I had been doing, but I hadn't been real careful about keeping the doors shut. And this was the hotel manager guy, not the captain of the ship, and he was the nicest guy ever. And he meant me no harm, just figure this out, you know. and the dock was right there, right off my balcony. And I'm sitting there in a cloud and a puff going in.
[20:00] anywhere. And he calls and says, hey, the captain wants to talk to you. And I'm like, do I know what it's about? And he goes, yeah, you know. And I'm like, all right. And they came in just in the hallway, just dressed me down. And I said, no, I was smoking pot where that guy told me to. And pointed right at the other dude. And he goes, I think you were smoking pot in your bathroom. And he got in the ventilation system. I'm like, you just made that shit up, dude. You just called me a liar. I'm one of your customers. I bought a suite on this goddamn thing. And at the end of it, he goes, well, listen, if you want to smoke pot on the top deck, maybe I could look the other way. Why didn't you open with that instead of jumping my fucking ass? How illegal is pot over there? Oh, you know, I was in the wrong. You know, it's probably illegal. But I mean, how illegal? Not very. I mean, you can still buy in Paris. You can get a fucking card and go in and buy weed. Okay. Well, that's silly, man. God, the whole thing's so silly that that's still an issue. It is gross, especially to non-smokers and people with families. Yeah, I forget how strong the smell is. Yeah, it's strong. I get that. I understand that. That makes sense to me. But the laws against it are just stupid. They're just fucking stupid. Speaking of felonies. You can't do that on the air. Huh? I'm not. It's a cigar. Oh, okay. You can smoke that on the air. I brought you one, too. Oh, thank you. Let's go. It's, uh... Actually, I can't tell you where it's from. Uh-oh. Because, uh... Thank you. That's a felony, too, but... Why? Huh? Oh, is this from that other country? Some foreign country. I actually bought it and... I think those are legal to have. No, they're not. I think Cuban cigars are legal to have, and that's not what we're talking about because these definitely wouldn't be Cuban cigars. But I think Cuban cigars are legal to have. I think you're allowed to have a certain amount of them now where it used to be there was an embargo to all trade to Cuba. And I think there's a limited amount of Cuban cigars you're allowed to possess. Let's look that up. I don't think that's right. I believe that's the case. Do you need a lighter, sir? There you go. Thank you very much. Ron White, ladies and gentlemen. What a gentleman. Boy, this smells like South of Florida. Yeah. for us is tough. Damn, these are legit. Damn, this is a real thing, Ron White. Yeah, it is. Mmm. There's like a loophole. Isn't it weird how some countries are just way better at certain shit? Can you buy Cuban cigars at a U.S. shop? No. Can you order Cuban cigars online for delivery to the U.S.? No. Yeah, you can. Smoke a Cuban cigar while abroad where the law permits it. Generally, yes, but do not bring it back. What? That's crazy. Imagine they're telling you whether or not you can smoke a Cuban cigar if you're in England. Right. Right. I used to get them from England. I had a dude in England that would send them to me. This is way back in the Dizze, and he would send me a box of them with no bands on them, and then he would send me a separate bag with all the bands in it in an envelope. Because these don't have bands on them. That's the thing, yeah, but there's so many fake ones. No, that's the most counterfeited thing in the world is Cohiba Cigars. It says, "For a period ending September 2020, travelers could bring limited Cuban cigars back for personal use. That exemption was removed." "Exception was removed." "Current CBP guidance says people subject to US jurisdiction may acquire Cuban goods while outside the United States in certain circumstances, but may not import Cuban origin tobacco products into the country." Well, thank God these aren't Cuban. Yeah, thank God. Well, I bought them in Switzerland, so I assume they're Swiss. They must be. They must be. They're really good at everything over there, including cheese. Well, they're good at cigars. That's Zeno Davidoff from Switzerland. Oh, really? Yeah. Where do they get their tobacco? Yeah. Well, he was rolling cigars, he was making cigars in Cuba, but he smelled the whole thing coming before everybody else did and moved to Dominican Republic. Before he did that, he moved seeds over there, started plantations, moved his rollers over there. So, really, when that all went down, the only really good cigar you could get was Davidoff. It's kind of crazy how the Cubans really are. so much better. There's like a level, they're a level above. They're a level above and one of it is the rollers. Uh, you know, they just had generational rollers and they have these big rolling rooms where somebody would sit up in front of the thing and read them books and they'd just sit there and roll these beautiful fucking classic cigars that smoke gorgeous and taste gorgeous. Well, if you don't have that, there have been companies that have bought other cigar companies just to get their rollers and then discontinue the line altogether. There was a place in Miami where we
[25:00] go to when we would do the Miami improv and you could go and watch these people who were used to be in Cuba and now they're in Miami rolling cigars. Watch them do it. And make them cut it and roll it out. Right. And they'd sell you the cigars right there. It's like incredible. You watch them do it. And that is pure contraband, too, you know, because they're that tobacco is coming from somewhere. And I don't know where they're getting it. They didn't. I don't know if they even said I don't cigars from Nicaragua. Great cigars in the Dominican Republic, but there is a difference. Yeah, there's a difference. It's crazy. You know, it's a really small area, too, where they grow the best. It's a little tiny place. And actually, you can still buy pre-embargo Cuban cigars in America. So if it was rolled and brought into the country before the embargo, they're legal, and there's a market for them, and they're expensive. Pre-embargo Cuban cigars. How old are those? Well, they have to have been kept the whole time in humidors. But these big rich guys that, you know, cigars were a penny. And then Cuban cigars came available and they were a nickel. Nobody gonna pay a nickel. You know, this was 120 years ago. But it turns out they did pay a nickel and they were just that much better. And then those guys, when they heard about that embargo, they bought everything there was and built these huge humidors. And when they died, those things went on the market. Oh, wow. I stayed at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco, and they have a Cuban cigar outlet in that hotel. Whoa. I bought one because it was like $200. So it was like a 1960 cigar? '62 or something like that. That's crazy. Yeah. See if you can find those online. Are those available online? I'm sure they are. That's a crazy thing. Yeah, it's pre-embargo Cubans. You know what JFK, or RF, yeah, JFK, rather. JFK did that before he made the embargo. He bought a shitload of cigars, brought them back. You motherfucker. Yeah, and he knew what he was doing. You motherfucker. He knew what he was doing. You motherfucker. Yeah. You did that, and then you made them illegal. yeah but What's up? I had to click. I was 18 plus on Reddit to look at a picture of him. It says it's NSFW content. And it's just pictures of cigars. Why is that not safe for work? I have no idea. It looks like the whole cigar thing is all NSFW. Pre-embargo 1962. Are those for sale or are they just photos? I was just finding a photo. I thought that was super strange. That is super strange. I probably can't find them on eBay, I bet. It's porn for cigar people, right? They just want to stare at them. I felt it move. What is it about men who love collecting things that are hard to get? Well, I think that once you have money and then you... all the things you thought you wanted, you get those, and then you want something you can't have. This is not too bad. This is one that's $300. For one cigar. Wonderful bundle of $25. What? Really? I think it's a bundle of $25. That's ridiculous. That's really cheap. That's cheap for any Cuban cigar. Wow, that can't be possible. No. I paid more than that for it. These guys are fucking you. Probably fake. This is how you get... I bet. Maybe it's not. Stumble across fake sneakers really quickly. But is that really? Look at the reviews. You think it's real? It's all four stars. I would just say, if you guys are already saying the price isn't right, this is some fake shit. I don't know. Ron would be the one to know. I didn't even know about this until 20 minutes ago. Maybe it's real. That's just how people, I'm telling you, say you buy Faye Jordans. Jamie, let's order a box. I can't imagine that this would be real. Order a box, please. Add to cart. Who's going to smoke it first and test it? Me. I will. Ron and I will. We'll bring it to the club. Ugh. MR PRICE: Um… Just pause that. Just put that aside. Send it to me. I'll order a box. We'll see what's up. All right. It's totally legal? Yeah, it's totally legal. If it's pre-embargo. It didn't say that in the other thing. It didn't say pre-embargo. Here's a review. First five-pack I bought was not good. Every single cigar was plugged and didn't have a smooth and easy draw. not just from this particular cigar but camacho as a whole yeah and he still gave him four stars However, the handwritten thank you card I received I never forgot and gave Cigar City a second chance for the latest five-pack I bought was well worth the price. It's a sad day when the Cuba tobacco bundlers for this cigar are all used up. This may be my number one favorite cigar hands down. The transition between each third is absolutely incredible. So the first five-pack sucked, and the second five-pack was insane. Interesting. Huh. Well, they're cheap. Maybe they have... They have 10 reviews total. Seven or fives and three or fours. Hmm. I'm just saying. Eight. I'll take a swing at five cigars. Fuck it. You can handle it. Yeah, we'll see what's up. We'll see you get beat out of it. We'll be all right. I bought dumber shit. Thank you.
[30:00] No. For sure. How's that fucking Corvette you got, baby? How's that thing? Somebody wants to buy it from me, you know who? Who? Who? Jay McGraw. Does he? Oh. Yeah. He can get one of those. He can get one built. You don't want to sell yours. Yeah. yours is yours yeah that's my car that thing's beautiful man yeah you can't sell that You have to keep that. Someday when you die, that'll go on auction. It'll be worth a fuckload of money. That thing is beautiful. And it's got a bar in the trunk. It doesn't have it anymore. You took the bar. I took it out because it didn't have a top because I wanted that bar for whatever fucking reason, Joe. Did you get Colvin in Austin? Did they do the work on it? I think they did, right? Yeah. Casey? Yeah, he's the best. They've done some of the work. Some of it was done in Atlanta. was done in Atlanta, but the setup on it was done by Kurt Busch's race team. He was testing tires at his oval track, and he said, bring it out here, because he knew I was building it, and he said, I'll have a guy set it up for you. Oh, that's awesome. There's footage on the internet of him driving it 170 miles an hour on an oval track and me going, what the fuck, dude? He's doing donuts in it. I'm like, god damn, I just had that fucking paint job. You could drive it, set it up. Yeah. And he said, we need to drop that front end. an inch and I said well yeah what if we drop that front run We need to drop the front end and the edge. You don't need to ask questions. I'm like, okay. Drop the front end and the edge, buddy. You know more about this shit than I do, don't you? Those guys, I can't really drive. I can drive. I mean, I've been around a track a few times. I know how to drive. But not like these guys. No, they feel things that you and I wouldn't feel. They're like, oh, the left camera's off. This is off. There's something going. It's, you know, the understeer is off. Something's off. I don't like these tires. Like, they feel it with their ass. Yeah. Yeah. did a beautiful fucking job on it. And it's so much fun to drive. It scares me a little bit because, you know, it's just got so much power. It's so light. And nothing to it but running over running over 500 horsepower. I just had fuel injection put on it. Because it was running kind of rough early on, you know, when I'd get it started, start cold. But now it just boom. Yeah. Was it a carburetor set up before that? Yeah. Yeah. Those stink, too. The problem is they make your whole car stink like gasoline. Like, whew. Those old – I used to like that. I used to like that. I still like the smell of gasoline. There's something about you getting an old muscle car, you smell that gasoline. You're like, yeah. Yeah. America! But it's just, a lot of it is nostalgia, you know, nostalgia from the time when I was a kid. Muscle cars were the thing. Well, mine was born the same year I was, 1956. So it's been around 70 years that car, just like me, still running, just like me. Right, but it's got all new parts. Yeah, it's not the same car. We've got to work on that with you. We could have driven away what we didn't use. There's nothing in that other than the outside. Right. That's all mine is, too. Some of the frame. I mean, everything. Dashboard and some of that stuff. Everything else, you know, it's got an Art Morrison chassis on it and coilover springs and disc brakes and supercharger. It's got an LS engine in it. That thing is, there's nothing about that that's an old car. I got to tell you, that yours is the prettiest Corvette I've seen. And when I first saw that one, I was like, man, I didn't think anybody could beat me in the Corvette department. That thing's stunning. That thing's a dream boat. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, shit. When I first saw it, it was a lot different. I brought it to my friend Steve Stroop. When I first saw it, it had the grossest interior. four Corvette or a C5. They were terrible seats and the interior sucked and the shifter sucked and it was a little underpowered. It didn't have the supercharger in it and I brought it to Steve Stroop, but it did have the chassis. And so we upgraded the suspension and then he upgraded everything else and completely redid the interior and put like really solid bucket seats that grip you and wider tire and brake set up. And we got those cool wheels. Those wheels are sick. And Yeah, that's what really set it off. Show a photo of that, Jamie. There's a photo of me with Jay Leno when I did Jay Leno's garage with it. The wheels are controversial. People either love them or they hate them. I fucking love them. I wouldn't like them, I don't think, on many cars, but on that car, it's like the perfect wheel for it. What's that green car? I saw you driving out last night. Yeah, that's... That's my other Corvette. Oh, yeah. Look at that son of a bitch. Look at that. Those wheels rule, dude. Those are fucking badass wheels, man. They rule for that car. That thing is sick.
[35:00] So that was all red. The stripe was red. Steve Stroop turned it black and did the wheels and did everything. He really tuned it in nice where it's just dialed in. Yeah, that's badass. It's so fun, man. That's me and Jay. He's the only other guy that's driven it other than me. That thing's fun. And again, it weighs nothing. It's probably got 550 horsepower now. with the supercharger. Yeah, I won't let anybody drive mine, but I'll let you drive it. All right. Let's go. Well, you know, we're setting up a studio at the track. A what? We're setting up another studio at the racetrack. Oh, yeah. You told me about that at the races a couple years ago. So sometime around like November ish, we'll start doing podcasts out of there. I hope to get it done right around the time Formula One is in town. That would be fun so I can get some drivers on and do some podcasts from there. Oh, yeah. So we'll be able to do all of them there? No, some of them, both places. So we'll be able to go around the track, take guys around the track, take people that have never been around the track. And what I want to do is bring in car companies. So Mustang has this new dark horse Mustang. It's a crazy 600-horsepower, crazy Mustang. Let's let people drive it. You want to sell some Mustangs? just for funsies, we'll take some pictures and then we'll do a podcast. Talk some shit, you know, with whatever, musicians, comics, people. Yeah. And then, you know, have fun on the racetrack. Yeah, we see a ton of those guys that have driftwood out of my golf course. A lot of those guys are golfers, and they all go out there and play golf whenever they're in town. Oh, I'm sure. Race car driving and golfing. You know, I really wish I could get into golf, and I probably will someday. I probably will. I'll probably be forced into it. It's a lot like shooting a bow. don't tell me that because then i'll then i can't do it yeah i mean in that in that you never do the exact same thing twice you know there's the shot's going to be either further or shorter or the wind's going to be coming from some other way or whatever so you're it's you really have to and the big difference is when you cock a bow or whatever you call it uh that's where all the power is right it's already in it it's built in you don't have to generate it now right you just aim you have to generate all the power with your body. Yeah. Which is hard to learn how to do. Well, I watched Jamie. I watch Jamie do it all the time. You ever seen Jamie whack a ball? That fucking dude can get some distance. Jamie can whack a ball. Jamie, you want to come out to Driftwood and play golf with me? I'd love to play at Driftwood. Drift is a great place. I'd love to play there anytime. I'll take you out there. What's your furthest drive? It's all dependent, but I've hit it over 300 yards, which isn't that important, as Ron would know. It's all about what hole you're hitting it on. And is it worth it hitting 300 yards on that hole? Yeah. How far can you drive a ball? You know, I hit the ball at 235, 240, something like that. You know, if I really get into one, I catch a sweet spot, you know, maybe 255, which is nothing compared to 300. But if you find a 70-year-old dude that can do it, then... What is, like, an elite golfer, like the best driver? How far do they do it? It would be Rory McIlroy probably at about 325 average. So 100 yards. They hit the ball 100 yards further than me. I played with... Jamie, you're only 25 yards off of some of the best golfers? No, no, no, no. That's not how I would even word it. Yeah, they're in the middle of the fairway. You're saying, like, how far have I ever hit it? Which is what I'm answering. It's not how far do I hit it, which is, like, your average. Would you take out your tops, take out your lows? I see what you're saying. What's your average? Well, that's very humble of you. I'd be bragging my ass off. 300 yards, bitch. No, because then I'm on their ass. I have a shirt made. I can't prove it. Fucking hat. I'm on their ass. I'm going to hit 320. Have you seen those guys that go to those driving ranges, and they have these crazy swings, spin and then rotate their body. They do almost like do a 180 and then smash it and, Those guys, it's got to be way over 300. Yeah, they're hitting at four. They're sometimes 500 yards in some cases. That's crazy. They're using specialized equipment. They're playing in a specialized place. Yeah, but they still can't play the game of golf. Right. That's definitely right. Or usually. I mean, usually they might be a two or three handicap. They'll be decent at golf. Right. But the elite guys, they can't touch them in the game. Yeah, there's a similarity in pool, and that's the break shot. This guy's the... Current champion, 579. Jesus, Kyle. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah, that's like fucking half a mile, isn't it? It is. This isn't even like 425. This is on a course. He's probably got a 3-1. Oh, my God. He's a big dude. He's also playing out, and he's getting a little bit of help with Elevation.
[40:00] there. You can tell he's out in the mountains. Right. Right. A little help. But that's what you want. You want to hit it on the green. That's kind of what's way more important. 410 yards. Yeah, if you can do that, that's bonkers. That's bonkers. Wait until some of those super athlete NFL players get involved in golf. LeBron's gotten involved recently. Oh, God. And he started a YouTube channel, but he obviously doesn't have a ton of time to play. Right. He's busy. But his growth in the year he's played is pretty remarkable. Of course. He's a super athlete. Same with Justin Gaethje. Yeah. Really good to start, but he's played forever. Justin? Yeah, I think, didn't he say he took six months off or three months off and played every single day? Well, what happened was when he got hurt in the Max Holloway fight, he didn't do nothing for like a long time. And he just let his body heal, let his brain heal, and he played golf every day for like a year. And DC was saying, like, dude, he got so fucking good. But of course, he's an athlete. Like, if you're a world champion MMA fighter, you can kind of do anything if you set your mind to it. Right. He could skateboard. He could do whatever the fuck he wants. Because those guys also are ridiculously flexible, right? He's not that flexible. He's loose, though. That's what matters more. I mean, I went to stretch zone today. That's where I go to. You go to stretch zone? Do you go to someone who stretches you? It's the best thing in the world, man. It's kind of resistant stretching, which takes an hour. And they just have you on a table, and they're just bending you around. And, boy, you can play some golf when you get off of that. Really? Nothing frees up your lower back. You've got to be able to. How many people are doing it? Just one person. One guy just holding you down and twisting you. Yeah, but they've also got straps where they strap you to the table. So, I mean, they can do things to you. That you can't do to yourself. You just can't get that kind of stretch in. Interesting. And I fucking love the place. And it seems like, and it's never busy. guys out there playing golf, every one of them should be on that table. It fixes everything. Do you do anything to work out to strengthen your body other than playing golf? No. You should probably do a light kettlebell routine. I'm not going to do a kettlebell, but maybe some rubber bands or something. Kettlebells are not hard, man. You don't have to be lifting something heavy. I've seen video of you doing it. It looked like it would break me in half. Yeah, but you don't have to do that weight. You can do a real light weight. A light weight Like if I'm not feeling that good, I'll do just a routine that I do with a 35-pound kettlebell. I just want to break a sweat. I don't want to really exert myself, but I want movement and I want my tissue to loosen up. I'll do a whole routine with a 35-pound kettlebell. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I should do more. It would be great for your golf, though. There's a lot of things you do, like rotational twists, things, that would be really good for just generating force with your drive and just control of your body, just overall body control. Yeah. I know that I lost some muscle when I was just losing weight with the Zempic or whatever it was. So I know I could get more, and I know that the whole secret to me getting to be 80 and still mobile is because of his leg strength. Yeah. kind of impressed with myself in Switzerland because I was getting around pretty good you know because I do you know I do uh whatever testosterone and human growth and all that kind of stuff so it does make my muscles stronger because I was I was doing things I'm like there's no way I get up to the top of that thing and I just chug on up there out of breath but my legs are fine you know yeah it makes you but your body behave like a younger body that's the whole key People miss out on that because they're afraid of the stigma attached to taking testosterone like look your body doesn't make it anymore when your body makes it you feel better get all this ideological shit out of your head especially like a lot of my like left-wing friends are very adverse to the idea of taking testosterone like look you don't have to take a lot of it it's not it's not what we're saying we're not saying get on steroids we're saying is bring your body back to levels that it had like when you were 30 and you'll feel so much better your immune system will work better you'll sleep better look I mean just look at me the difference from when I came to Austin and you came to Austin. And, uh, I, I, I, And then I was still drinking really, really hard and ridiculously hard. But I was 30 pounds heavier and sluggish. I never felt good. And today, just after going to Ways the Well and taking all that stuff, I got to tell you, I feel better than I have in fucking ever. I'm just... I think that everything in my life is stronger than it was then. I mean, I think the stand-up's even stronger. I think it is, too. I think you add on to that a little bit of weightlifting. I don't mean anything crazy. And one of the best
[45:00] Things you could do is it's called a farmer's carry. Just get a couple dumbbells and just walk. You can walk around your property. You can walk around your street. You know, I do like a couple hundred yards and then a couple hundred yards back. I go up a hill and then I go down a hill. The whole thing takes me like 15 minutes. It's phenomenal for your body. Like carrying things, like carrying heavy things is really good for you, man. It's great for your grip strength. It's great for your back, your core, like everything. Everything felt like right when I first started doing it, my body was like, oh, yeah, do more of this. It's like intuitively I was like, oh, this is tying everything together. moving weight around I think is very important not just standing there and like pressing and doing stuff like it's stationary I think there's some real benefit in like walking with stuff because you got to balance it it's heavy and you're moving your grip gets tired you have to set it down and then you fucking how much weight are you carrying 200 yards 140 pounds oh fuck yeah you don't saw two little weights in your hands well these the kettle this might me doing that. But these kettlebells, they're each 70 pounds. So I have one in each hand. And so it's 140 pounds total. And I'm walking up this hill, and then I'm walking down the hill. And I do it every other day. It's phenomenal. And then you work out every single day. Every day. Every day I do something. I have to do something. Just for sanity. Yeah. I guess if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards. I just want to maintain. And also sanity. The real thing is sanity. The world's nuts. One great way to alleviate some of the pressure of paying attention to how nuts the world is, is do something really hard. Do a hard workout. Do a yoga class. Do something difficult. Just something that takes you out of it for a minute and just relaxes you. I'd like to get back into yoga again. I did that for a while. That's one of the best things I bet for golf. Oh yeah, it is. No doubt about it. And you'll play forever. I had this hot little yoga instructor come over to my house and it was just a great way to just fucking start the day and I did it every day. What happened? Well, other girlfriends didn't like her because she was too hot. I'm like, I don't know if I'm willing to fade all the heat, but just for some yoga where all my motives suck anyway. I just wanted to be near the... There's something very hot about yoga ladies, too. A really good one. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm going to get back into that. We met a female trainer the other day that's friends with John Paul and Eloise. And so we're going to hire her to start coming over to the house. Oh, there you go. That's a good move. Start working. There you go. Because I'll do more. with a woman. Really? Just to show her that you can do it? I don't know. I just show up for it if it's warm. For some fucking reason. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Imagine waking up tomorrow with perfect discipline. Whatever you decide you're going to do, you just do it. No procrastinating, no negotiating with yourself, no making excuses. Yes, it's a little unrealistic, but everyone wants to be better at something, right? Better is a feeling defined by you. And for BetterHelp, it's a BetterHelp therapist who really gets you. It's a focus on global emotional well-being with thousands of therapists and millions of members in over 100 countries. So while it can't magically help you keep plants alive, it can help in other ways, like teaching you how to set and stick to goals as you chase your horticultural dreams. 10% off at betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. That's better, H-E-L-P dot com slash J-R-E. But yeah, that's what I need to focus on for next, you know. Yeah, you got to keep the body healthy. You know, your body's healthier now that it's been before. Now you got to start strengthening it. It's Real simple. And you can. Like, there's no reason to get weak. Other than an injury, other than something that's wrong with you, it's out of your control – There's no reason. No reason to just be weak. You could be healthier. Yeah. I'm after it. It's fun to deal. You have more energy for other stuff, you know, your life. has more, you have more vitality. It'll only get better, Joe. It'll only get better. That's what I'm saying, dog. How come people are ragging on our club, man? Who's ragging on our club? I'm watching on TikTok. People are in that goddamn mothership. It's a walled garden. someone warned me about that a long time ago this philosopher guy that I know he said you gotta be careful because like it looks like you guys are having too much fun and other people can't get in and they feel like it's a walled garden because they want to shit on it you know the thing is like people like because we're all friends in there it's because like it's a very
[50:00] intimate group of friends. And we don't know when somebody else is going to come in there and listen to us bullshitting and then go jabber away to some fucking buddy else. Or get upset at some of the things that someone says, because some people say horrible things in that room, don't even mean it because it's funny. They say it to be funny. And then there's, I've seen some of that. One of the things that I've seen is people that are talking about like the kind of comedy that they hear there. And what they're talking about is Brian Holtzman. And they were talking about this guy. He's yelling about gay people. Like, you... Hold on. You're talking about Brian Holtzman. Like... That what that is is like the comedy version of death metal. Okay death metal people some people like death metal, right? You don't have to like death metal you don't have to watch it or listen you might be in the opera, but That guy is fucking hilarious and offstage the sweetest nicest guy. Yeah, I mean person there is on stage He becomes this fucking maniac, but it's a it's like satire. It's on purpose. It's not a real person. Yeah, it took me a while to get it Like, he's fucking hilarious. Is it offensive? A hundred percent. Yeah. Some of the things he's going to say will offend the fuck out of you. They will offend the fuck out of you. They offend me. I'm like, Jesus Christ, Holtzman. But you've got to leave room for that. There's always got to be room for everything. There's room for everything. And if it doesn't work, the people won't laugh. And if they don't laugh, you won't come back. You know? After a while, that's it. But they laugh. We laugh hard. And you could say, this is awful that they're laughing at that. And you've got a point. But that's not what it is. Right. No, I'm telling you, I didn't get it at first because I saw him eat it one time. And I was like, because he can. You know, he can find a crowd that's tough. Yeah. But that can happen. But a lot of now he's got his own crowd. Yeah, his own crowd. They're they're looking for the other thing that people keep saying is that it's like a right wing club. The vast majority of the people that are in that club working in that club are left wing. That's crazy talk. People just assume because they connect Tony, you know, and people also connect me to that when I don't. I think I mostly I think that's because they don't know me, but and I because I look right wing and because I did kind of help Trump. But yeah, I think that might be what left wing my whole life. But yeah, I know you have a very left wing views on a lot of fucking things. And I have very left wing views on a lot of things. But I also recognize when government is taking over. our lives. And, uh... What we were sold with the Trump administration would be that would end. And, you know, there'd be a drain the swamp. It's not been ideal, like in that regard. I think it's, yeah, well, you know how I feel about it. A lot of people laugh. And I always have. I mean, I'm the left of... certainly left of some of it, but I also... carry a weapon and I believe in the death penalty and you know I but I for the most part, You know, I'm a left-leaning... faction in the green room, you know, I mean, you and Brian Simpson, Brian Simpson's very left too. But, you know, Tony's the only one who's like on the right. Tony's like legitimately right wing. He's MAGA. That's kind of well. I guess. I don't know. I don't even know if you would say that, but he's like pretty openly right wing to me and him argue about left wing, right wing stuff all the time. But it's like, The problem is not left wing, right wing. The problem is like rational and insane. Yeah. Like the open borders was insane. That was horrible fucking. Yeah. A horrible fucking move. The COVID mandates were insane. Nearly dead president. Forcing people to get vaccinated was insane. All that stuff was insane. That stuff scared the shit out of me. The censorship online was insane. All the woke nonsense forcing you to use pronouns and forcing you to never deadname someone or you get kicked off of Twitter for life. There was so much insanity that we needed some sort of a break moving away from that. That was my position. I was like this is going to continue because obviously Biden was not really the president for four years. So the people that were running the country will continue to be running the country. non-elected people. It wouldn't be him. And then when she's in, it would be the same fucking people. It would be the same people. I voted for her. I bet you did. I did, because I wouldn't vote for Trump. And also, they were going after women's rights. Well, I'm going to side with the women, because I don't like any kind of candidate, but I'm going to vote. And then the women didn't go, and they left me out there like a dumbass party. holding my dick going, well, where were y'all? When you say women's rights, you mean abortion, right? Yeah. Yeah, because, I mean, I'm going to be a grandfather in a few months.
[55:00] I don't know if you knew that or not, but congratulations, huh? Yeah. I'm so fucking excited about it. And I mean, it's just I mean, it's happening a little late in life for me. But, you know, now I'm looking like, well, if I play my cards right and I live as long as my mother did, I can I can see this kid through fucking high school. I have no idea where some guy gets you pregnant and it takes off and you've got to make a decision. Or if there's medical issues coming up. It should be between a family and their doctor. I really... I can't say anything. But... There's a weirdness to like late term abortions. And I know most people say that late term abortions are only in the case where it threatens the mother's life and no one really wants to do that. I know someone who got a late term abortion in New York. And it was just because the boyfriend didn't want to have the baby and they waited too long and she was pregnant. And it would scare the shit out of me. I'm like, you guys just killed a baby. Um... I'm not saying that happens all the time, but I'm saying just the fact that that can happen scares the shit out of me. Well, aren't there laws against... Even before these laws were passed, weren't there laws saying, well, it's not passed this? What did they just pass in Massachusetts? Didn't they just pass some new abortion law in Massachusetts? I think the rational thinking is that most women would never want to abort their baby late term, right? And if someone's doing that, it has to be extenuating circumstances and that it has to be because of – to eliminate the possibility and to put someone through like life-threatening situation because they really do need an abortion and the law says they can't have an abortion unless they get some exemption. So they have to prove it and then the person – their life is at risk. term abortion so that this can never present itself. Yes. Massachusetts expands abortion access to any point during pregnancy. On Monday, I joined nine states and Washington, D.C. in eliminating gestational restrictions on abortions. So what does this mean exactly? Let's scroll down. I think this means anytime during a pregnancy. So this means like – Eight months, two weeks, you can get an abortion. Most abortions happen when the first trimester. Very few take place after 24 weeks. The previous limit for abortion in the Bay State. Those that do occur after that point often involve situations in which doctors discovered a fetal anomaly late in the pregnancy. Massachusetts law was championed by major medical groups, including the National Society for Maternal Fetal Medicine, the Massachusetts Medical Society, and the state's chapter of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The law received support from Kate Dineen, the abortions rights activist whose son died in utero at 33 weeks. What is it saying? I can go to a different website I was looking at. Yeah. So a lot of people... are scared of this because you can... have an abortion like really late when the baby is a baby. Thank you. Yeah, well, fuck, I'm not for that, but I'm for a woman's right to choose if... I think it's a very good thing. But for the same reason you just said, I'm not a woman, I don't know what it's like, I don't want the government involved in my... Well, there's some people that think even the cases of rape and incest you shouldn't be able to, which is crazy. Well, right, because then you get to, if you're a rapist, you get to go, "Oh, I want that chick to have my baby." Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, well, whatever. What are we, in the medieval days? In the old Viking days. So what are we going to do about the Texas Senate? You met Tallarico. You liked the guy, right? I did like him. I like his thoughts on the Ten Commandments in schools and public schools. I don't think – I think he's right, and he's a very religious guy, and his position is when you put the Ten Commandments in public schools, what you're really doing is you're forcing Christianity to them, and you're not – You're probably pushing them away from Christianity. You're forcing it on them. And if you're going to do that, how can you do that and not have scripture from the Hindu text, scripture from the Book of Mormon, Muslim, Islamic text? Why is it just the Ten Commandments? Yeah, why isn't there a separation of church and state? That's a state-run organization. Yes. So his position is that, and I think he's probably right about this, otherwise he'd get sued, very wealthy people who are Christian nationalists and they want to, um,
[60:00] take over the school system and turn Texas completely Christian. And Yeah, I think that's scary. That kind of shit is scary. Pushing whatever your ideology is. Look, if you invite people into your church and you're a person who is of exemplary character and you're a wonderful guy and there's something about this guy like, wow, this guy, the way he lives his life, man, I think he's really cool and kind. Right. I like to see what this church is all about. That's how you get people to be interested in what you're doing and the way you're promoting life. going to push them away from it. It always happens that way. You... You force it. You can't decide that your way is the way that other people have to live. That's the whole idea of America is you're supposed to have the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're not hurting others. And if you want to believe in whatever, some ancient religion that people gave up on thousands of years ago, who fucking cares? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I first noticed him when he really came out against that school voucher program, which I was against also. What was that? Which one was that? School vouchers. And he lost. He fought so hard against it because they wanted to give school vouchers so you could take this money and go to a private school. But the only people that were using them were people that already had their kids in private schools. Most Texas counties don't have a private school, and a private school can also... Decide who they want for no reason. They can eliminate anybody. They'll take a student or not take a student. And that came out of the public school system, that money, and went into the private school system. And Tallarico really fought hard against that because we need better teachers. We need more teachers. We need the public school system beefed up. We're getting the shit beat out of us in education. And I think Tallarico was really, really good for that. And I think he's a smart, honest man. all the money, like most people do, but you really can't put Ken Paxton back in the office in the state of Texas. That guy's just too corrupt. Yeah. he's just a bad egg and we don't need him around here. There's a lot of shenanigans with weed in this state right now. Where there's a lot of alcohol lobby money and a lot of people are trying to ban weed and they're trying to make it a felony. They did it. I know, but they're fighting in court now. There's a bunch of cases. It's really stupid. It was such a big step backwards. I was asking one of these guys that owns a head shop that I I don't like that Delta 8 or whatever they were selling anyway. But, you know, but these guys really went all in on these businesses that were legal and all of a sudden, snap, here's the stuff you've got to take out. What do you got left? And that's really brutal for somebody that really, you know, waited all in. Billions of dollars lost. Thousands of jobs. And I guess they burned the weed. That's what I asked him. I said, what did you do with all that weed? Crazy. It's also look regulated and tax it you fucking idiots you're missing out on so much money and also leave grown Adults to do whatever they want to do you're not going to convince people that weed is fucking PCP Yeah, you're not this ain't reefer madness days, right? Throw out there we know it's bullshit. We know what weed is now. Yeah, can you go crazy if you just smoke too much weed? Yeah? Don't smoke too much weed. Can you go crazy if you drink too much? Yeah, don't drink too much. It's the same goddamn thing don't you? tell people what to do right you don't have the right especially when I look at these guys like you guys are dorks you dorks can't decide what other people do and don't do and it seems like they'd you know that did enough of motor died the that a new set of faces would come around they're gonna lose elections I'll tell you that young people aren't tolerating this bullshit you know right like this is stupid not even young people most people most people realize the only way you can come to this that there should be laws and felonies, that people should be locked in cages for weed, is if you are either retarded or you're on the take. Yeah. It's one of those two things. One of those two things. Either you're too fucking stupid to be a leader, or you're on the take. Right. Right. Because this is dumb. And also you're missing out on so much tax revenue. How much does California make in tax revenue? How much does Colorado make in tax revenue? A fucking buttload. A buttload. And, uh... you know even when Eww. Some weed was legal in Texas. I got mine from Oklahoma anyway. You shouldn't say that online. People, they'll come for you. They will. It's probably like getting those Cuban cigars. Fake, not real Cuban cigars. How much revenue does California – get every year? There's a state-by-state breakdown. Okay. And we can put that money in the public schools. 7.5.
[65:00] 765 billion billion dollars billion dollars Wow. That is fucking crazy. That's so much money. They're missing out on $7 billion. And they're missing out on how much did the alcohol lobby give you? It could have been $7 billion. No, I don't think so. So somebody is either retarded or corrupt. Corrupt, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm so sick of it. I'm so sick of it. Texas could be making a shitload of revenue with legal marijuana. And bring in some goddamn gambling. We're sending everybody right across the border to fucking Windstar, although I work there. Don't quit going. But they just, poor old, just dump money into Windsor, because Casino in the world is about 300 yards north of Texas. What do you think about that? Do you think that casinos should be everywhere? And what do you think about, like, the argument that... If you're promoting gambling and you have these casinos, you're going to ruin people's lives because you're going to give them easy access to something that they're addicted to. They've already got access with fucking DraftKings. You can gamble from anywhere. But they can still go to somewhere else and do it. They go right across the border, go to Louisiana, or fly into Vegas for $79. Right, but there's an argument that you don't want it in your state. make it more difficult to go to these casinos. We have horse racing here, right? Do we? Yeah? You gamble on that? Not much, but they moved Rio Dosa down to Texas. The races that were in Rio Dosa, New Mexico, or New America. I remember when I was playing pool in New York, the real Gambling junkies. They would start their day at off-track betting. They'd go and gamble on horse races, and then they would come over to the pool hall later in the afternoon. And lose the rest of it. Yeah, or have stories about how they lost. Yep. that's a wild group of folks that you were hanging out with in the New York playing pool oh yeah homeless people junkies Pool hustlers. Like some of the wildest people I've ever met in my life. It was really fun There's this one place that I used to go to in New York City. It was called Chelsea Billiards. I And it was a 24-hour place. And then regularly you have guys that were sleeping under tables. While it was open? Yeah, because it was open 24 hours. So at nighttime, and they didn't get games, they would just... crawl under a table and go to sleep. Because there's a whole downstairs area that was rarely used unless it was like really packed. But it was a real pool hall. A real 24-hour pool hall. I met so many degenerates there. There's a great book about that place. There's a great book called Playing Off the Rail by this guy David McCumber. He was Hunter S. Thompson's editor when Hunter S. Thompson was writing. I think he was working for a newspaper in the Pacific Northwest for a while. McComber is a very, very interesting guy, great writer. And he took my friend Tony Anagoni, who was a world-class professional pool player, and they traveled around the country gambling and wrote this book. It's a great book, really accurate, honest book. Playing Off the Rail? It's called Playing Off the Rail is the name of the book. And the guy, Tony, who was a friend of mine, I did commentary with him on a pool match once in California back in the 90s and hung out with him a bunch of times, played pool with him. And then one day I got a call from a friend of mine who told me he jumped off the bridge. No shit. 17 when he did that. He was 17. He was stricken with road fever. No, no, 22 years later. He got the chance. So when he was 17, he tried to do it. So 22 years later, he got the chance to follow that dream, not as a player, but as a steakhorse, financial backer for Tony Anagoni, a non-smoking, macrobiotic-eating, renaissance pool hustler, student of Eastern religion, and master of the pure green felt poetry of the dead stroke. Tony was a brilliant guy, like an incredible pool player. And again, didn't smoke, didn't drink. He would play for like 24 hours and only drink water. He plays like long gambling matches with like high-end pool players. He was like a world champion caliber pool player. But... He jumped off the bridge, man. Oh, shit. Yeah. I don't know what was going on. You know, I wasn't close with him at the time. I hadn't seen him in a few years. You know, he was living in San Francisco. I was living in L.A., And then, Somebody call me. It's um... It's such a scary thing when you... you don't know that a guy would do that and then they do it and you're like, you're always like, what could I have done? Could I have said something? You know, sometimes someone will call you and say something.
[70:00] picks you up and you feel joey diaz will do that all the time he just call you up tell you he loves you yeah he does that to me he's the best and i do it to him too it's like it feels good it's like you you check in check in with your friends yeah and sometimes when your friend's going through it and you don't know the extent of it like a lot of men are stoic about that shit they don't tell you how bad they're suffering they don't tell you what's going on Okay. You don't know until it's over. And then you're always like, what could I, could I have said something? Could I have done something? Should I have told other people what could I have done? Yeah. Like Brody. Brody was a rough one. Brody was a rough one. I had no idea. you know, I knew Brody was struggling. I never thought he would take his own life. I thought he was just like, he just struggled, uh, You know, like... to keep it together, but he would get on stage and he'd be brilliant. And I was like, this guy's clearly like great comic, hilarious guy. Awesome. Awesome guy to be around. Everybody loved hanging around with him. So he'll be fine. I had no idea. And then all of a sudden you get that call. You're like, Brody took his own life. And you're like, what? No. You know? Like, what? You can't even believe, you don't believe it's real. It's like, how, would it, say it again? I don't believe it's real. past. Well, if anybody ever says that I killed myself, I didn't. I am not that kind of person. You go find out, Joe, who killed me. I will find out. Yeah, I won't believe it. Yeah. I knew you would. I will. Oh, that's what I was going to tell you, that I went to that trip in Switzerland. Yes. And then we were taking a ride in a car for two and a half hours from Zermatt to Interlochen. And I had this driver from England, Andrew, and he had married a girl from Switzerland and moved there 12 years ago. And when I was in In Paris, I really was expecting to get some anti-American sentiment because they don't really like us that much anyway. But I really didn't feel it. And I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'm building this up more than it is. But in Switzerland and also in northern Italy, I felt like I'm getting a cold shoulder in these places. And I asked him about it. I said, is this in my head? He goes, mate. If you want to know the truth, they don't like your fucking war. They don't like your war. Those guys can hit everybody but you. and you're slinging missiles, and they also don't like the tariffs. If you're doing things over there that fuck you up, they don't care. But if it fucks us up, yeah, we care. I'm like, well, I didn't have anything to do with it. But that war is sitting pretty, pretty nasty with just about everybody, I think. Everybody here, too. There's very few people here that think it's a good idea. are the only people that I've heard that I think are very intelligent people that think it's a good idea. One of them was Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky is a tech guy, a very, very smart guy. And one of the things that he was on a podcast and he was explaining was – that Iran had ramped up its missile production above and beyond. They were actively accelerating their missile program. If they did acquire a nuke it would have been a real problem because they have an insane reserve of missiles. This is what he's saying. He's saying if we continue to allow them to ramp that up, and obviously – The other thing people have said is the timing was poor. And that really if the United States was going to attack Iran, they should have attacked Iran when they had the protests. When they had people in the streets and they were revolting against the government and the government was executing civilians, that's the time. And if they did it then, I bet the whole world would be with them and I bet the people probably would be with them. The people of Iran would be with them. Who knows what the fuck would have happened? It would have been a different thing. But the timing was way off. And his position Also interesting because he makes weapons, right? He makes drones. He makes like super sophisticated and military technology, but he does it because he thinks is, well, also it's his business, but he does it His rationale is that it's important to have a very strong defense and that he's a patriot. That's his position. And his position is that This government is a dangerous government, and they were – actively trying to ramp up their missile program again you have to take it from perspective that he's also a weapons man right he's also he is a brilliant guy yeah and it's not like they're like the Iranian government's really cool and we're misrepresenting them they're fucking executing people for protesting against the government they're doing that in the street they run their government they run their country with an iron fist it's scary there's they definitely sponsor terrorism they definitely
[75:00] But also, you know, they they've been attacked. They've been overthrown. You know, we installed their government. Yeah. You know, like we monkeyed with Iran in the 70s or the 50s, whatever it was, when you see those photographs of it, like it was very Western. Like they were they had a fuck. Yeah, it looked nice over there. Yeah, we fucked it all up. It was a big part of us fucking it all up. And I bet a lot of it had to do with oil. I bet it did. I bet it did. It's so spooky. The kind of shit that... We've been doing and they've been doing and all these governments have been doing all around the world, monkeying with other people's fucking – countries It's like, Jesus Christ, everybody's out there playing Russian roulette. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, and Israel's right in the middle of all that missile slinging also. Always. But, boy, they don't like it. They don't like it. And I don't think they understood that the only thing that keeping Iran from bombing other people was us. So when we started bombing them, we're like, what the fuck? I'm going to start shooting some stuff out to Bahrain and Qatar. That's the other thing is all the other Gulf states that support the attack in Iran. That's kind of nuts. They support it. They don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon. They don't want Iran to have that kind of power. But most people in America are like, this was the whole reason why one of the things that people loved about Trump was no more bullshit wars. No more wars. No more unnecessary wars. That was the one thing I couldn't argue with. You know, like, okay, well, yeah, we don't need to be in a war. Yeah, and that's what we hoped. You know, but it seems like we're in one. Seems like it. They won't call it that, but that's what it seems like to me. What are they calling it? A conflict? Yeah, military conflict. Same as Vietnam. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Like that was a good idea. I looked up something crazy last night. I think I asked Grok or one of the things. Could you talk just a little louder? Sure. How many years has the United States... been in conflicts, I think, just like in general total. And it said that like only from the years from 1891 to 1897... Were we not in a conflict? And since... World War II, we've been in some sort of... Something every year. Yeah. Every single year since whatever. Not a thing like Switzerland. We're in all of them. All of them. Woo. And I think it's a lot of it is just exactly what you were talking about, is the big machine that is defense. Yeah. It's a huge machine. The budget is insane. The amount of money is insane. And they want to keep making that money. That's why we don't have our high-speed rails. Also, they try to do that in California. Seems like people stole the money. I don't know what the fuck they did there. You know how much they spent on the high-speed rail in California? Uh-uh. It's insane. It's like they haven't even laid the tracks yet. They've spent billions. They're way over budget. It's going to take forever. And even then there's a part. that you have to take a bus. Who was explaining that to us? It's not a high speed bus either, a regular bus. No, it's a regular bus. Regular bus. You take the high speed, goes to a very short distance, you get off, you get on a bus, and you go from like Bakersfield to LA on a bus. They spent billions of dollars on this. They didn't figure out the end of it. It's so stupid. You can just take a bus where you're going. It's so stupid. And then they had Gavin Newsom posed in front of trains the other day, did a press conference talking about how they're moving forward with the high-speed rail. Bitch, that thing ain't ever going to work. It's just a grift. They're just stealing money. Like those goddamn condors. What about the Condors? I don't think they're real. What do you mean? I just don't think they're real. I don't think there's a shortage of them. I don't. I think we just got the right amount of condors, and it's nature's way of taking care of itself. It's an ugly bird. So do you think that when people were saying that the condors were endangered, do you think that there's a grift attached to that? That's what I think. What would be the grift? The grift is give us money so we can save these condors. And then, boom, you got money. And are you saving condors with it? Well, we don't know. Are you in a position that Condor should be allowed to go extinct? Good what? Should they be allowed to go extinct? If they want to. I can leave it up to the condors. If they don't want to fuck anymore, quit fucking. One of the things that they've said was that a lot of them were dying from lead poisoning – From Bullets. from hunters. And so they made the hunters switch over to copper bullets. Do you know that? And that doesn't. California, you have to have copper bullets now. In your shotgun? Yeah, and in rifles, too. Like if you shoot an elk with a rifle in California, you have to have a copper bullet.
[80:00] No shit. Yeah, and I think... Do you use copper bullets anyway? No, I don't. I don't really hunt with a rifle. Oh, you're just a bow guy, right? Yeah, but... It's effective. They work. I've killed an elk with a copper bullet before. It does work. I shot an elk in California with a rifle. But it's weird because I don't know if that's really what's killing the condors. I don't know. Does that really – how many birds die from lead poisoning from bullets? That seems kind of – They fly awfully high. How many hunters are losing animals that there's that many bullets that are just laying around that birds are eating? I don't know. I don't think that's right. That seems – like a weird connection. Like, see, if a bird made a habit of eating lead, yeah, it would be fucking terrible for you. But is that really affecting the population? There's that much lead out there? I wouldn't think so. Well, It sounds kooky. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't either. You know, but... this... You know, there's always these... weird, like regulations they put down on things to protect wildlife. It gets super squirrely. Is there any data that shows that animals were dying from lead poisoning for bullets? I wonder why they would make... Because California just passed some crazy law where they made 70% of all tires illegal. What? I know. 70% of tires? 70% of the tires that are being sold in California will now be illegal. Because of what? some crazy new regulations about what kind of tires you're allowed to have. What they're made out of? How they're made, their construction method, the quality of them, blah, blah, blah, how efficient they are. whatever it is. 70%. What are they going to use for tires? Well, they're just going to be able to sell 30% of the tires. They're going to have to sell more of those tires. But it's going to probably cost the consumer a lot more money. It's probably going to fuck up the manufacturers, fuck up their businesses. And it's some regulation that's supposed to work with – it's supposed to – Save gas somehow the more efficient tires over time will save millions of gallons of gas like say the fuck out of people's business you cunts California has approved a new replacement tire efficiency program not a ban on tires you already own right but it right but it bans the tires you can sell This is a weird way to frame it It regulates tires are gonna wear out and then you gotta replace them with these it regulates which new replacement tires may be sold in California for pasture vehicles What changes? California Energy Commission unanimously adopted the rule on August 17, 2026. Its purpose is to ensure replacement tires are, on average, at least as energy efficient as original equipment tires fitted to new vehicles. The key technical measure is rolling resistance. Lower rolling resistance generally means less energy is needed to keep the tire rolling, which can improve gas mileage or EV range. So it's basically like you can't buy cheap tires. You have to buy the same kind of tires that your car came with. Thank you. Well, so they're really kind of putting a ban on shitty tires. Are there people out there just making shitty tires and they're trying to get rid of them? Well, they're probably making tires that are less expensive and still pretty good. Like if you're driving a Camry, do you really need original equipment tires? Your car sucks. Your car doesn't handle. Oh, no, I would be looking for the cheapest tire I could put on that car just to get to the next payday. Exactly. So if you're broke and the difference is like a $79 tire or a $59 tire, it's basically the same to you. Yeah. We have to put them on the Camry. Yeah, and now all of a sudden these tire shops, they can't sell them anymore? What? So what if you have inventory? Do you have to get rid of your inventory? Do I have to dump all my – what if you're a guy, like he works at Tires RS, and you said, you know, it would be cool if I could ensure that I had every fucking tire for 90% of the cars right away. I'll stack them. I'll stock them here, and that way I'll get a whole ton of business. We have your tires. Right. Get rid of all those tires? We ain't got your tire no more. That's crazy. Seems like there'd be a lot of other things to worry about. Well, I have my buddy, Matt, who was at the club last night. His house burnt down in the Pacific Palisades fire, and... The he's like the regulations you're going through to try to rebuild your house are fucking insane. He's like, we're not even close to starting construction. And he's got money. And he, you know, he's like... he could just start construction. They're just going to change the way they build houses there to make them less fireproof. I don't know what they're doing, man. They're just making it. The regulations are insane. It's just like, there's so much red tape before you can begin construction again. Whereas in Texas, if your house burnt down, you go, Oh, here's the plans for the new house. They go, Oh,
[85:00] Looks good. It's up to code. Good luck. Build your fucking house and you just build your house. That's it. Right. You're on that California Coastal Commission. Bro. Yeah. They are brutal. Those people are brutal. Yeah. I'm glad I'm out of the real estate fucking California. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I got out when I did. A lot of people are trying to get out now. Yeah. I know a bunch of friends that are trying to get out and they can't sell their house. there play golf and hang out with my, you know, I still know a lot of people down there. Southern California is beautiful. Oh, it's beautiful. That fucking climate is just untouchable anywhere in the world. Which is amazing that they fucked it up so bad that people want to move from there. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's awesome. It's not just awesome. It's like the variety of environments you can get to within two hours. It's crazy. Remember, you were going to buy that big ranch out in Montecito or Santa Barbara or somewhere. I didn't even know you had money then. Whenever you first told me that, I was like, oh, yeah. All right, you have no idea what it costs to buy a fucking piece of property. And what do you got, a podcast and a couple of fucking shows? First time I did your podcast, I didn't even know what it was. You asked me to do it, and I said, I'll come do your podcast. I had no idea. and tickets, and I'm like, man, damn, Joe, what do you got going on over here? Well, it was... You know back then is like kind of under the radar people didn't know what podcast was But still millions of people were listening to them. How many subscribers do you have now? Do you even know? I I think on YouTube, what do we have? 20-something? 20-something. Yeah, we're over 20, I think. 20 million on YouTube and... Same on both. Same on Spotify. It's like 20 million subscribers. Fuck. That's a lot of people. Yeah, that's... I was talking to Angela about it this morning. She said, what are you doing? I'm doing Joe's podcast. I'm going to go talk to 20 million people, and I really don't have anything to say. So she goes, well, Joe will lead you through it. You'll be fine. I'm like, I know, but it's still 20 million fucking people. You can't think about it. Yeah, I know. When you think about it, it'll fuck your head. I just started thinking about it. Fuck me up. Don't do it. Let it go. Do I know any of them? I know a lot of them. Listen, they're just folks like you and me. That's why it works. Yeah. lucky lives. We have lucky lives, Joe. Very lucky lives. Lucky lives. That's the best way to put it. I'm going to do, you know, next week I'm celebrating 40 years in stand-up comedy. That's amazing. September 17th, 1986 is when I first started telling jokes. Are you doing a set that night? I am. I got a show in Dallas that night. Oh, nice. And I'm leaving this weekend for the first, I've been off for four months, so I'm going to Florida, I think Daytona, and I don't know, California. I always love to stand up in Dallas. Dallas is a fun city. Yeah, it is. That's fun. I always loved Dallas. I always loved Houston, and I always loved Dallas. Yeah, I love Houston, too. I just have that one big play out in Katy, that big, gigantic room out there. I don't even go into Houston anymore. I just go to Katy. That's as far as I go. What is the place? Oh, I don't know. It's that 6,000-seater. You played it, right? That big old huge thing. They can block parts of it off. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that spot. Big fucking. I think they change the name of it every two years to put a new sponsor on it. It was a Toyota something. Yeah, they always do stuff like that, right? Yeah. weird It's always a bank or some corporation or something. I could never find a room in that town that I liked. The really nice one was too small, and they had this big concrete vomitorium downtown that used to be a rock house. You could just wash vomit out of it with a fucking hose. Had a lady fall out of the fucking balcony, 26 feet, landed on another lady, flattened a fucking metal chair. Oh, no. Both of them left. And I thought a light fell from the sky. I didn't know. and people are going, people screaming. I'm like, fuck, fuck. And I turned the lights on and we got fucking ambulance, fucking stretchers coming out. They both left on fucking stretchers. Oh my God. Big lady too, buck 80, fucking flattened another woman and her chair. Then the next show, the same night, guy has a heart attack and dies. And I'm like, is this an Indian burial ground or some shit? Christ! What the fuck? And that was my only play there. And then they opened that big building out in Katy. I'm like, okay, this is mine, boys. That place is haunted. Fuck, yeah. I'm not going back there. Have you ever talked to anybody else that had
[90:00] weird things happen in that place? I really hadn't but I you know... Two nights, two shows, or two shows. Two shows in one night. That's nuts. Yeah. And I always thought, man, these balconies are awfully fucking steep because you could go up there and sit in it and go, what keeps them from falling over? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. A woman just lost her balance and went right over the fucking edge. Whenever I see those penthouses in Miami, I think of that. I was watching some YouTube video. I like watching those real estate shows where guys are like, look at this incredible apartment. Look at the amenity. I don't know why. I'm a moron. I like real estate shit. I like watching condos in places I'll never buy a condo. So he's at this crazy condo that's a penthouse in Miami. It's like $70 million, and it's got this... glass wall that's like titty high and then down like 70 flights. It's just glass wall and then look over the side. I can't swing that. I don't like that feeling. I don't like it worse if I have my phone in my hand because I can fall off. That's fine, but I can't let that phone go. What if the phone hits somebody in the head and kills them? It'd be on you, wouldn't it? It would be on you. It'd be easy to trace that motherfucker right on back to where it came from. It's just like... The balcony thing, I see that in New York City, too. Some of those apartments that have balconies and you just look over the ledge like that's too weird. It's too weird that there's a place in your house where you could definitely die if you take an extra step. Right. I would say don't live in a place where you could definitely die if you take an extra step. Just generally as a rule. That's got to fuck with your anxiety, too. Imagine getting high up there. And looking down. I've still got that penthouse, but it's only 22 floors. That's enough. Yeah, that's plenty. I've been to your place. That's enough. That's more than enough to die. More than enough. I live like 600 feet in the sky. I know you do, dude. You live way the fuck up there. I asked someone who lives up there, too. I have a couple weird dreams sometimes where the building is falling over. It's not like a crash or a big event, but like... It's just weird inception, like mind-bending. just falling to the ground very slowly and weirdly. It's fucked. Cause you can feel the, the, Sway. I see my toilet water move all the time. Fuck that, dude. Get out. Where do you live? I live downtown also. Don't. Get out now. Get out now. That's fun. Get yourself a place in Dripping Springs. I have a really cool view. You can't. Like, the view is insane. Oh, yeah. Your view is sick. Yeah, I mean there's pros to it for sure like whenever I'm in New York City if I know somebody that has an apartment I My friend's dad had an apartment in New York City, and he had this corner building, this building where his apartment had glass on one side, glass on the other side. It was just all city, and it was in the middle of everything. And I was like, this is the view. A lot of people have the view of the city in the distance, but the city right on top of you. And he was like 30th floor or something like that, and there's all these other buildings. It's like a sci-fi movie. windows and all these buildings around you and looking down, seeing the cars and traffic. All the fucking stories, man. Yeah. Everybody has, you know. And everybody's like watching everybody else. Everybody's got fucking binoculars. They're looking into other people's windows and seeing if people are fucking. I've got them. I got a big old fucking tripod. I ain't seen titty one with it. I don't know how much I spent on that goddamn thing. I ain't seen one tit. I mean, I think... I get it. If I was a single guy and I was younger, I kind of get it. But someone like, to me, just being on top of people like that is not good for you. I don't think it's good for you to be smushed in with so many people, like to feel all their vibe around you all the time. Yeah, I love to go there. I used to take my mother. My mother used to love to go to a fucking theater there. So my mother was alive. I would take her to New York. And we went to see a Phantom of the Opera. uh, I didn't realize it was an opera. Well, it's in the name. I know, but I still didn't know it was going to be a fucking opera. Oh, you thought it was going to be like the movie? A play of, yeah. I didn't know it was going to be just a straight-up fucking opera. I wouldn't have gone. But we also went to see Book of Mormon with the original cast, and that was so fucking funny, man. Book of Mormon's amazing. God, what a great fuck. Those fucking South Park boys. South America. Didn't they change the name of their show to South America? Yeah. for Trump? I think it's just... Or is it an episode? No, it's the next year. That's what it's going to be called. For the next year? Yeah. That is the best joke. I laughed out loud. I read it on my phone by myself at the house and laughed out loud. I'm like, that is fucking rich. That is so silly. Those guys, you can't fuck with those guys. They're funny and they don't give a shit. And they're super rich. Yeah, it is.
[95:00] Super fucking rich. The website has it as South America now. Fucking amazing. I couldn't live without South Park. That means we'll get a new theme song. They're like the only thing the Comedy Central didn't fuck up. They were too big for coming to fuck it up. They had so much power with the success of that show, I guess they don't fuck with us. I remember when the first tape was going around, the VHS tape. Jesus. Yeah. What would Brian Boitano do? Remember that? What would Brian Boitano do if he were here right now? He'd make a plan and follow through. That's back before the internet. That's what's really crazy. South Park was around before the internet was everywhere. Five? Right? Yeah, I think so. When did the first... It debuted on Comedy Central in 99, I think, or 97. But there was a tape that they had made that was going around. Yep. There's the Spirit of Christmas, and there's something, I think, that's Jesus for Santa Claus. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah. It was a Christmas card or something. Yeah. What year was that made? Because I remember I was dating a gal who worked in an agency, and she got a copy of it. 5 but something just said 92. Hold on. Interesting. So it was like the Internet really became a thing in people's – first release, that's weird, something was released in 92 and then something in 95. Okay. The first in 92, short films. I think the earliest that I could have seen it was 95, I believe. Jesus, the kids play some magic hat on Frosty. I don't really remember that one, but definitely remember seeing the second one, Jesus and Santa. So when was the internet really in everybody's house? I got the internet for the first time in 94. When did you get the internet? 95. I got CompuServe first. Like AOS, like 95, 96. What was CompuServe? What was the difference between that and... It was like AOL. Okay. Like chat rooms. Yeah. I had AOL. Yeah. I still don't have the internet. I still don't have it. You don't have internet at your house? This year. This year you're going to get it? I do, I do. I don't use it, but I've got it. It's good to not use it. You're smart about that shit. Oh, I can't. Yeah. I cannot read what people fucking say. And every once in a while, I think I can for a second. And I'm like, no, just don't put it down. Because when we were raising money, by the way, I've got to tell you, and I may have already told you, But, you know, when we bought the Sherp or whatever the fuck it was, the fire truck, they used that one year later to save lives. One year later, that same storm system hit that same riverbed, and they used that thing for days. And they talked about it on the news. Now they have two of them, and they said one of them was given by Joe Rogan and Ron White. difference, you know? Yeah. No, that's really awesome. That's really awesome we could do that. I mean, that's a no-brainer. That's a real thing that can help people. That's so cool. Those things look crazy, too. Oh, they're so fun, man. I took it down the river, and fucking you go up any bank over giant rocks, the thing will go in there. You can't stop it. You just can't stop it. Fun thing to have the shit go sideways. That area gets hit a lot, right? Is that like Wimberley? Is that that area? Yeah. Well, you know, it really, it was that unique storm system, but it happened fucking twice. There that baby is. I don't know if I sent this to you. I forgot. This is the one you guys got money for. Wow. That's it? That's the one we bought, Ron. Look at that. That's so dope. That's one of the coolest things. Wow. That thing's incredible. Taking all those kids. That's so fun. Yeah, they took that thing all the way across Greenland, right across the middle of Greenland. It took weeks and weeks to do it, but they took it all the way across. Just nothing stopping them. They put gas in the tires, and they can run it forever. It's only got a 55-horsepower motor. Oh, wow. But it's all torque, so it doesn't go very fast, and it needs to get good gas mileage, right, because it needs to get into weird places. But they can put gas in those gigantic tires. So you can suck the gas out of the tire while you're driving? Yeah. How do you even get the gas out of the tire? The tire's spinning. I don't know how it works. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how that makes sense. Like, how are you going to get the gas out of the tires? It just – I don't know. They got it rigged up, I guess. I don't know if they got a line that goes to it. But the line's spinning. If the tire's spinning. But also, the tires deflate completely. It's not. At night. I mean, it airs itself.
[100:00] back up Whoa, why did you do that? But I asked him a million questions before I bought the fucking thing. Whoa, look at that thing. That's nuts. This is a video explaining the fuel system. I don't know if... Oh, all right. Put the headphones on. Each wheel has its own tank. Each wheel has its own tank. But the system balances weight evenly, so Sherp doesn't tilt. Even if one tank is empty, the Sherp remains stable. Cool fact, tires are self-regulating. While driving, they adjust air pressure by exhaust gas. No onboard compressor needed. So go ahead, shoot one tire. Sherp keeps rolling. Whoa. I guess it did not explain the fact that it might be. What's up with fuel in those Sherp wheels? Let's break it down. If you shoot the tire, will it explode? Will Sherp tilt if just one wheel has fuel? Yes, the fuel is stored in the wheel hubs, separate from the air chamber. There's sealed tanks inside the rear me. Each wheel has its own tank, but the system balances weight evenly. There you go. Oh. It's the center of it. So you have to take them off to refuel. That's what it is. That makes more sense. Okay. That makes more sense. Still. very genius fucking great way to store fuel yeah they're made in the ukraine and the guy told me we just take them out to the front let the russians shoot at it and then bring it back and figure out another way to build it just keep on going they got plenty of room to test it and that's all mud out there anyway in the ukraine so they that's you know that's where that was all conceived and and uh and cool as shit you know what a what a great fucking little vehicle yeah nobody needs one really unless you live right up there on the river and you want to help in a flood Or you got a crazy ranch. Crazy ranch. One of those guys. Just change where you're plugging into it. Okay, so he can do it right. You don't have to take it off. You can just go right from those tanks. Okay. Okay. And that's how you pump fuel into your tank. And drive it. That's nuts. Well, if you have a crazy ranch or if you're on a front line, it's probably a good vehicle to have. That Wimberley area does get hit hard, right? They get those flash floods. Well, they got two of them, you know, and almost exactly a year apart. Both of them right at Fourth of July weekend. But I don't know if it – it was supposed to be like a 1,000-year event, and it happened a year later. And I'm like, well, that wasn't a 1,000-year event or a 100-year flood. It was a one-year flood. But I don't know if it's a constant problem. I mean, yeah, all those river – If it gets a storm stuck over that, everything is granite, right? So it all just fucking runs all over the place and feeds into the Guadalupe, and then it goes nuts. Yeah, those flood zones are nuts when you see what can happen, like how high the water can get to and how quick it can happen. Yeah, we drove it just the other day just to see. You can still see the devastation, but that Camp Mystic is just sitting right there. and uh but boy it's just right there with camp mystic written right in big letters right on it and i'm like god damn how could they not see that that might be a problem but it never had been you know it had to take the worst thing in the worst place and you know no communication out there and i know they blame a lot of it on somebody biden or somebody but but it really was not foreseeable you know the the Thank you. from my perspective, and I really did look at it. I mean, I did... you know, I've I gathered as much information as I could, and I'm like, yeah, they couldn't have done anything about that. Just a horrible, horrible fucking thing. You know Life goes on. We all learn lessons. And, you know, I don't think that Mystic Camp will ever open again, which is too bad. I think they tried opening up again. Yeah, I think too many people bucked up against it now. Well, it's understandable. It's a gorgeous place, though, right there on the fucking river. It was there for 100 years or something. I mean, it... That's nuts. Yeah, but... Did you see that crazy avalanche that broke the dam in Nepal? Yeah, I was over there when that happened. Were you really? I mean, not in Nepal, but I was overseas. Every news cycle was just nothing about that. That was insane. I wonder if that situation is in other places up there, where there are big ice dams or whatever. I mean, I wonder if that's going to be something that happens as those glacier caps start to melt. are melting because the rivers were running like crazy when I was in Switzerland, and they were worried about it because normally they would not be getting that much water. But those ice caps, they had a really hot summer, and those ice caps are keeping those rivers running.
[105:00] Imagine your whole city's existence is tied to whether or not you have an avalanche. Yeah. And you're sitting there like, please, please no rock slides. Yeah. I think the rock slide, is that what caused the Nepal thing? There was an avalanche that came down and fucked up the dam? Is that what it was? No, the avalanche came down and blocked and that's what made the lake. Then the glacier broke off and landed in the lake and busted that down the chutes. So there were actually two events. The rock slide made a lake, then the... How long did it take for everything to happen? Well, I mean, once it broke. No, but it was really quick with the rock slide? Between the rock slide? I don't know. I don't know what the distance was between the rock slide and the avalanche. Fuck, man. But it was a pretty big lake. The water, watching the water wash over those people was insane. It was horrible. Insane. And the speed in which it came and the volume. Oh, just knocking things completely down. Shattered ice and rock flowed down at speeds approaching 150 kilometers an hour, that raise water levels as much as 9 meters in 30 minutes. 30 minutes. Duck. It's just the way it was. Like this idea people have. Like, oh, the water's coming. You'd be able to run like. No. We watched that video. We're like, oh, you don't have a chance. You can't go anywhere. There's nowhere to hide. And the volume. It was a wall. Just a giant, like a building-sized wall of water. Of boulders and logs and ice. Cars and everything. And you're just going to get crushed. It's not just water. yeah it's everything the water's carrying with it insanely heavy shit stupid stupid fucking mayhem just total mayhem yeah natural disasters are crazy when you see all the meteor spots on earth all the little all the little fucking holes in the ground that where they, you know, like this one Australia that they didn't discover until fairly recently. I saw something on that. Look at that. Yeah. Hit by an asteroid right there. Huh? When did that happen? Asteroid the size of a house. Yeah. There's one, one in Nevada, this crazy one in Nevada. It's just this fucking gigantic crater. Um, Have you ever seen that one? Yeah, I've seen it. Fuck. Man, how often does that happen? I don't think it's happening in a long time. We hope it's going to be a little while before it happens again. The timescale. Earth is so vast in the timescale of a person is so small that many many people can die live and die live and die live and die and it doesn't happen and we say all the odds of it happening very low really it's just random it can happen and if it does. Boom. No more civilization. Well, yeah, but now we could shoot them down, right? No. We can't. No. We can't stop them. I don't think they're ready for that yet. No. I don't think they're ready in any way to stop something big that's headed our way. I don't think so. I think they have some theories. They've never done it. I don't know how much time, effort, and or resources have been put into making sure that if a civilization killer asteroid is coming our way that we can all join together and launch rockets from China and Russia and everywhere else and knock that thing off course. I don't know. Put Elon on it. Yeah. He'll fix it. He might be able to. He might be one of the only guys that can figure out how to stop something like that. But I don't know if they even know when those things are coming. You know, some of them are coming from behind the sun, and they don't see them until it's too late. What do you think about... limiting how much people can contribute to a political party. I think... I think... I think... If anybody – there should be a set amount that anybody can donate, and if they donate one dime more than that, they're hung by the neck until dead. That's what I think. And keep the billionaires out of politics. I think also you could say the same thing about corporations. Absolutely. Also, you could say the same thing about lobbyists. Absolutely. There's a lot of influence on our politics that I think should be eliminated, and money in politics is – is... It's so ingrained. It's so entangled in politics. The idea of removing it entirely seems ridiculous to people. But if it didn't exist and you said, hey, what do you think about letting corporations – those ones that dump shit into rivers and pollute ecosystems and do a lot of funky shit in third world countries they're not supposed to do. What do you think about having them contribute so much money to our politics that they have incredible influence over regulations that get passed? Absolutely. What a great idea. Yeah. I wish I was one.
[110:00] That's a good idea. You would say, no, let's keep money out of it and make sure that all laws that get passed are for the benefit of the society and the people. Absolutely. Not individual corporations or individual people. Yeah. Definitely not. And then you would, you go even further than that. You'd say, well, let's, let's, make sure that the people that are doing the job are compensated fairly but are not allowed to insider trade. Yeah, isn't that? We're being grifted, Joe. 100%. We're being grifted. No ifs, ands, or buts about that. I was listening to this story. It was really about Chinese politics, and I don't think communism is the answer to anything. But the leader is not a popularity contest. that knows how to run a country. It's not just, here's this guy. We'll let this guy do it. Everybody seems like this guy. It's all come from the ground up. China works pretty well, I think. I don't know. I've never been there, but... It makes sense that people in those powerful jobs should have a lot of experience. That, but they also can't be removed. They have total power. And if you say anything about the government, they will literally put you in a prison somewhere. They'll put you in a camp somewhere. They've removed people. They've silenced people. They've even billionaires. They've made them disappear. You can't step out of line. And the government and the businesses work hand in glove. That's it, period. There's no government. no business that works without the influence of the government over there. So they have... giant problems too, but they probably have better leadership in terms of like strengthening their country. But it's terrible for freedom. What you need is like, I've heard the argument, you know, I don't agree with it. But What you need is great leaders, right? But what you need is like a benevolent dictator. Someone who really does care. Someone who really is a good person and genuinely doesn't want for anything or need for anything and just wants to try to make their mark and make the world a better place. Yeah. That doesn't exist. It doesn't. And why not? Why not? I don't know, because most of the people that get the job, that's not who they are. Most of the people are either warmongers or pussyhounds. They're power brokers. They're people who want the feeling of being the top dog. You know, that's those are the people that generally get to those positions. And those are the ones that because this the struggle is so hard to get there. And then they're going to tear you down and attack you and to pull up things from your past. And most people don't want to go through that. And so a lot of people that may be good leaders never want that position. Right. Because it's a shit job. And it doesn't even pay well. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it pays a half a million dollars a year, and these guys that are – which is good money for a real job. But like if you're being the president of the United States, you're around billionaires, and there's all this influence. And then they leave the job, and then they get these speaking gigs. So they talk at a conference of bankers for a half a million bucks, and you're like, what? What is this? What is this shenanigans that you're involved in here? It's the way it is. The job doesn't pay much, but the job pays a lot if you work it that way. They all leave rich. ... Thank you. Jimmy Carter was like the only one that like kind of stayed reasonable his whole life. He never became a rich guy after he left office. He basically that's who he was. He stayed the same way. I think Tallarico might be one of those guys. Well, I would hope so. You know, look, it's always good to assume the best about people. Thank you. He said some things that I think are questionable. Yeah, but, you know, God is non-binary. He said that one time and then people were like, "I don't know what non-binary means and that makes me nervous." I get what he's saying there. God is not a sexual... It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. Yeah, it's God. It's an infinite loving force. It's not as simple as... I get it too. I get what he's saying. It's just what you're saying is also like you're... You know, I get people that... want to say they're not a man or a woman. I feel like you should say whatever you want to say. But... To say that that's a thing is a different thing. Like if you're a biologist and you say there's non-binary people, like are there? Like what are we saying? There's XX and XY, and there's people that are intersex. There's people that have this weird thing. Like there's women that are born XY, right? So they're a man, but they have like some – they have their testicles inside of their bodies and they also have androgen-resistant genetics somehow or another. So they never become like masculine. and they look really feminine, but they're essentially XY chromosome is weirdness. That's really what a non-binary is. That's real non-binary. That's very strange. That's like... your intersex. But some people just don't feel comfortable in their skin and they don't want to be labeled a male or a male.
[115:00] Female, they just want to be whatever they are, which is fine. But when you're talking about biology, I think we have to be able to make a distinction. We have to know, like, what we're actually talking about. you know, facts over feelings. Feelings are fine. You should be able to say what we call yourself Carol or Bob or whatever you want to do, man. You want to be a man now? Okay, you're a man. I'm cool with that. But let's not. let's not let the nonsense invade the actual analysis of what we're talking about. And some of what we're talking about is just... dysphoria. It's gender dysphoria. That's what it's always been described as. Which is, you know, there's a lot of things that people have wrong with them. It doesn't mean that, you know, they're bad people. It doesn't mean that, you know, you should alienate them. They shouldn't have rights. And that's no one's saying that. You're saying like, no, you can't compete in the women's division because you're not. You're a biological man. I know you wish you were a woman and I know you want to be identified as a woman. That's great. But when it comes to sports. Right. When it comes to tennis. Yeah. Stop. Stop. Stop the nonsense. This is, you know. It's just... There's a lot of like weird shit that goes along with compassion, you know, where people don't want to look at reality because reality itself is not compassionate. The reality itself is like, you know, you are discriminatory or transphobic. You're this, you're that. Like, okay. I'm not – that's not what we're saying. We're saying like you've got to be reasonable, and reasonable is you've got to know what's the difference between a sex offender who decides he's a woman and wants to hang around with women… Versus a guy who has gender dysphoria and wants to be recognized as a woman. Absolutely. Two different things. And if I get it wrong, forgive me. If I don't call you the right name or whatever, I suggest you try to grow a pretty thick skin because people are always going to be mean. So just let it run down your back. I mean, I've got thick skin. It's a complicated conversation because it's not one that we all thought we were going to have 20 years ago. No. That was going to be the forefront of... society discussion about gender. It's odd. It's very odd. I just don't like it being promoted for young people because young people are getting surgeries and taking chemical castration drugs and doing – which is essentially what hormone blockers are. They're the same category of drugs they use for sex offenders when they chemically castrate them. it's fucked to do that to kids is fucked. Do that. The kids that don't know what they're doing yet, they're, they're, they're confused. And there's a lot of D transitioners, man. There's a lot of people that went through that and really wish they didn't. And they get ostracized from the trans community. They get ostracized from progressive communities. They get told they were never trans to begin with. Like, what does that mean? What are you saying? This is not like you're saying someone's not black or not white. Like, just... traits that are just they are what they are you have you know you have blonde hair you have black hair this is like what you're born with to say you are not really transgender it's like what the fuck are you saying you're making someone do something to their body. You're doing something to them through surgery or through chemicals. Like this is to say that you're not really one of you're not really transgender. You just did it. Like what? I don't know about it. How about recognize the fact that people are easily influenced, and sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes people get convinced or convince themselves that they should do something because it's fashionable in society and it's culturally relevant currently. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm not for any of that, but I mean, I think try to be fair, try to be nice, and, you know, let them do whatever the fuck they want to do. any kind of surgery before 18 and same as Paxson, but Paxson didn't cost this... So Tallarico didn't cost this state $6 million in fines and lawsuits, and that happened to Paxson. How did he cost? What did he do? Paxson? Yeah. What did he do that cost $6 million? Well, back in 2020, eight of his assistants turned him into the FBI for fraud. One of them was a 50-year Texas Ranger. He fired that guy, five decades of service in the Texas Rangers. Well, that guy sued him. And, and. They fired four of the eight people. That turned him in. He did. He fired him. And then he realized that he was going to get... fucking sued over it and he came up with the solution he was going to give them three million dollars uh to settle this case and then the house said no it's not coming from us and then they sued won six million dollars and guess who paid that six million dollars you and me uh paid the six million dollars for his bribery and how he ever got out of this stuff he was in periodontal
[120:00] By the House, his own party impeached him, 121 votes to 22, and then the Senate put him back in because they didn't want to lose the seat. But he's a criminal, just a piece of shit. I don't know enough about him, but I do know that they're surprised that Tallarico is ahead of him in the polls. I'm not. I think that people are sick of what's going on right now in Texas. They've been in control for 30 years. What have they given us? Let somebody else fucking drive. Yeah. They're jacking with my marijuana, and I'm ready to get them out. The marijuana thing is just so stupid. Because if you look at the national polls, it's something in the range of 70% of people think it should be leaving. Right. And we should decide, right? We. We, the people, should decide. Yeah. And if you find out that these people who are making these decisions have been influenced by the alcohol lobby or by anybody else. Hung by the neck until dead. That's what I'm saying. Let's get some severe penalties in there. It's corruption And it's bad for us. And it's also bad for the look of Texas. Texas is supposed to be a place that's about freedom. And it is in a lot of ways. But in that way, it's definitely not. And it's definitely stupid. Again, we looked at what California is making, just the tax revenue, $7 billion. B, with a B. With a B. Yeah. Is there some enormous problems that have taken place? No. No, no. You know what is? The problem is alcohol sales are down. That's the problem. That's what got it all stirred up. Alcohol is tanking it right now. I mean, wine, liquor, tequila, all of it is 20% or more off. What do you think is the cause of that? Well, it's that younger generation just doesn't feel the need to go get hammered every night. They don't have the wallet for it. The kids are broke. You know, they got $80,000 worth of fucking school debt that your kids don't have and my kid doesn't have. And, you know, there's just no money for it. And then they go to these clubs and they like to... smoke some weed and go in there and not drink. And I, you know, also they don't like hangovers. Yeah. And I'm, I'm right there with them. I mean, I, I think it's a better way. I mean, I can't go through this life without some kind of buzz. I need it. And, uh, but liquor was the wrong one for me. And I just found better ways. You know, there's more than one way to skin a goddamn cat. And, uh, I know. And the only reason why that stuff is illegal is corruption. It's stupid. All of it. whether it's marijuana or mushrooms or all these things. We should understand them, study them, and they benefit a lot of people and they should be legal, period. Everybody who thinks not either hasn't done them or doesn't know what they're talking about or is coming from a very authoritarian perspective where you think the government should be allowed to control people's behavior. And I think that's fucking ridiculous. I think it's fucking ridiculous too, Joe. Fucking ridiculous. Grab one of our page. I said, I'm glad we're on the right page. We're on the same page. We're on the same page. You think cameras have anything to do with it? What do you mean? People recording people doing dumb shit and not being free to be – Oh, that stops people from getting drunk? Yeah, maybe. Never stop me. I'm talking about the kids. You were talking about kids. I was thinking about kids. Do you think so? No. Is that what you think? I sort of was asking. Maybe. Could be. Maybe. Afraid to be caught doing dumb shit. Well, people are very aware of being caught. And getting embarrassed because so many people have gone viral these days. Maybe. Maybe it's a factor. possible what they do to jelly roll man I think for jelly roll he did was say the president was a fat pig like me that's what he said yeah and then he said if you're a Trump supporter don't listen to my music well that was after they canceled him anyway and so he I mean I I'm not really... I like Jelly Roll fine. I don't know him that well, but I wasn't a big listener. Anyway, but I've met him a couple times. Seemed like a nice guy. But, boy, they went nuts. Yeah. I mean, nuts. Get him out of here. Never listen to his music. What did he say? I didn't see what he said. I heard about it. But Jelly Roll's a sweetheart. Yeah. I wouldn't have advised him to say the things he said. I wouldn't have either. I've always been careful with that kind of stuff, you know. Yeah. Don't be stupid, Ron. Don't be stupid. Well, he was on the Jimmy Kimmel show, right? Right. Right. He was doing a monologue. I don't even know if he wrote it. It could have been the writers from the Jimmy Kimmel show who are obviously very anti-Trump. Or at least Kimmel is very openly anti-Trump. So they could have just tricked him into doing it. Trick him into throwing his career right out the goddamn window. Look, he's super talented. He'll be fine. It'll be one of those things where it's a bump in the road. And he'll have to get over it. I hope so. He seemed like such a nice guy when I met him. He is. He's a sweetheart. He'd been a Ron White fan since he was a kid, you know, and I've got to have a warm place in my heart for that.
[125:00] kind of folks well he's also going through a lot of different changes in his life right like so here he loses 300 pounds which is a giant change gets hooked on fitness this is giant change changes his whole life changes his body did the ways to well thing just like you and then he gets divorced so that's another big change so he's got these two giant changes then he's on the kimmel show and he's saying stupid things yeah well he's saying jokes i shouldn't even say he's saying stupid things he's I'm not even saying it's stupid. I'm just saying like if you want people to like you, like going after Trump and that – especially from his perspective, like as a country guy, like that's a giant chunk of your crowd. Absolutely. He was doing stand-up at the club. He did it a bunch of times, and he was practicing. So I think that's also one of the reasons why he wanted to host the Kimmel Show. Yeah. I think that might have been rushed a little bit. Stand-up's really hard. It's a long road. It is. He got laughs. He had some good lines. But it was what you expect from someone who's beginning their stand-up journey. Yeah. But I think... You know, if you know the guy, and I do, he's the best. He's a sweetheart. I mean, at least my experiences with them have all been awesome and with other people that I know. Yeah. He's a very jolly, friendly, lovable guy. But like all people, he is human and humans do things that other humans don't like. And then you suffer the consequences and, you know. All right. I think he'll be fine. He'll be fine because he's super talented. I mean, he's a fucking brilliant... singer and brilliant songwriter. we'll see i think it'd be fine i think you know if he could do it all again i bet he probably wouldn't you know that's part of life you know you can't back up no Thank you. He do something some things you wish you hadn't you go. Oh shit. Oh You know, but talented people. Like, look at Kanye West. He had a fucking diamond swastika around his neck a year later. He's selling out giant arenas. Right. I can't explain. I can't explain Kanye. People bounce back. Well, he's super talented. I mean, that's really the thing. Yeah. He's unbelievably prolific and super talented and driven. Right. Like a motherfucker. And full-blown nuts. Yep. Just like us, you know. in a different way we're i mean everybody's crazy that's the thing like the people are attacking jelly roll one of the things that reasons people like to do that is they're terrified of them ever doing something that's stupid and so then when someone does do something that they think is stupid they just can't wait to attack boy especially someone that's like on top of the world with jelly roll relentless every i mean i've watched tick tock you know and i've just seen But Trump invented name calling. He's the one that brought it back from the death with Ellen Degenerate. That was the first one he did, I think. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, name calling. That's what we're back to. I don't even know what the joke was. He was saying Trump's a fat fuck just like me. What was he saying? That's what he said. I mean, I don't know what the whole bit was. That's all it was? But he said Trump's like me. He's a fat pig. That's it? That's it. And that's what they got mad at? That's what they got mad at. He called the president a fat pig. That's interesting. He was kind of fat. Well, he's definitely not thin. Yeah. Not from where I'm sitting. I mean, was the joke like he could lose weight because I lost weight? I mean, what was he saying? I just think he was saying. Should we play it? Yeah. All right, let's play it. Oh, it says here. Okay. Fat pig comment. Jelly Roll joked that his own 300 pound weight loss meant he essentially lost an entire Donald Trump. The fat pig comment. He quoted past remarks Trump made about others and said, well, Mr. President, from one fat pig to another, take it from me that physical fitness is very important. Huh, that's not bad. Right. That's not bad at all. From one fat pig to another, saying that he lost an entire Donald Trump. Okay, he did. Literally, he lost 300 pounds. That's more than a Trump, probably. And then he said, from one fat pig to another, take it from me that physical fitness is very important. Is that terrible? Yeah. No. That's not terrible at all. And that's it. So maybe the real problem was him – Being unkemled to begin with would be a mark against him to... And then maybe saying if you're a Trump supporter, don't listen to my music. But that was the next day or whatever. Yeah, you can play it. Sadly, those are the only laps Trump's been doing lately. According to the Washington Post, a lot of doctors are worried about the president's weight. After his last physical, we found out Trump gained 14
[130:00] which means he's now tipping the scales at almost 240. It's crazy. Think about this, y'all. In the last few years, I've lost 300 pounds. That means I've lost an entire Donald Trump. And let's be honest Based on his approval ratings, it seems like most of the country wants to do the same thing. We should take it easy, y'all. We shouldn't be making fun of the president for his weight because we know that he would never do that to other people. I don't speak badly about somebody's physical disability. But he's got the biggest stomach I have ever seen. He's extra fatter than ever. The mayor is incompetent. And the governor is -- A big fat slob. He's a big fat slob. I told you, I have a friend of mine. He's fat as a dinosaur, a guy like this. He said, Chris Christie's a fat pig. You cannot do that. Chris Christie is not a fat pig. He is not a fat pig. He's not a fat pig. Don't call him a fat pig. Sir, in the back. Don't call him a fat pig, okay? I don't talk about people being fat. I refuse to talk about the fact that he's a fat slob. I don't mention it. Well, then that ain't the pot calling the kettle fat. Well, Mr. President, from one fat pig to another, take it from me that physical fitness is very important. And trust me, you'll be happy to see your penis again. I can speak from a little bit of experience here, y'all. The first time I seen mine recently, I was surprised at how cute it was. It's rudimentary stand-up, right? He's learning how to do stand-up, so it's almost like he's a politician talking. I gotta tell you, I think he did a pretty good job with that. He did a very good job. But, I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's monologue-type stand-up, and clearly someone wrote it, and he's reading it off a teleprompter. Yeah. Probably. But anyway, it wasn't, you know, it certainly wasn't bad. I mean, it was just jokes. It's just jokes. If someone got so upset, they never want to listen to Jelly Rolls music again after that. They're crying. They're crying. They're in tears. I see it. I see it. Yeah, it wasn't the funniest stuff, but I mean he didn't if that's someone they've wrote that shit for him. I guarantee you I'm sure they did 100% you could tell he's reading it. It wasn't like he was just speaking off the cuff and He was 100% reading a thing. He looked good, though. He looked great. Didn't he? He looked kind of handsome. He's very handsome now. He lost a lot of weight, man. I mean, the guy, when he came to do the podcast, he ran six and a half miles on the treadmill while we were hanging out. No shit. Oh, yeah, and talking while he's running. So I'm working out. I'm in front of him working out lifting weights and he's running on this treadmill the entire time and talking while he's running. Wow. Yeah, he's fit now. It's kind of crazy. We went to see him. He performed at Matthew McConaughey. He has that Mac and Jack, that big thing that they do where it's a big charity benefit and auction, and he has people perform. So he – Jelly Roll performed. He was a performer that night. And then as he's coming off the stage, there's this stairway with a railing on it. And we're me and Tony are over to the left side. We're, you know, behind stage. He grabs a hold of the railing and jumps over it. And I go, do you know what you just did? I go, you used to be 500 pounds, and now you just grabbed a railing and jumped over it like a cat. Like, that's crazy. Wow. So you're a different human being. That's kind of inspiring, actually. It's very inspiring. Yeah, I wish he didn't say that stuff, but, I mean, it's just sometimes the juice is not worth the squeeze. Yeah, you're right about that. You know? You've got to figure out the juice and the squeeze, baby. You've got to figure it out. But... If you know Jelly Roll, he's a great guy. It's just – That kind of monologue... stand-up stuff. It is funny seeing... All the different times Trump called people fat, though. That is fucking hilarious. Yeah. but you know, Trump supporters are fucking nuts, man. They're rabid. He represents something other than just a person to them. Oh, it's Christ. Yeah. Well, he represents something, a leader that they wish they had. you know yep yep Which is a real problem in our society in general with leaders. We look to them as if they're something different. than every other person that's ever been a leader before. Like, this is the one. This is the one that's going to save us. Right. And you know what? Some people are hopeless. And anybody that says, "Well, I'll give you hope," then what are you going to do?
[135:00] I've said this more than once back when, that if you really want to improve your lot in life and you don't really have anything, you don't really have an education, you should be Bernie. fucking Sanders, you know, is your guy, because he wants to get the minimum wage. If you think somebody's going to come in and hand you a bunch of loot, that's never going to happen. Maybe you can make a couple more bucks an hour. Go with that. You know, that's. Is it Bernie Sanders? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. The guy from Vermont. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, he was really trying to help. Mm-hmm. But they're like, that's not enough. We don't. Well, they didn't want him. The Democratic establishment did not want that guy. That was the first time that I ever got attacked when I had Bernie on. And someone was on the podcast and they said, who are you going to vote for? I said, oh, it was Jimmy Dore. And I said, if I was going to vote for anybody, I'd probably vote for Bernie. He's the one that makes the most sense. He's the only guy that's anti-war. He wants to take a small amount of money from stock market speculation and use that to fund a bunch of these social programs. I'm like, let's see. This is a long time ago. I don't necessarily think that. I feel the same way anymore about him. One of the reasons being is that he kind of gave in to the Democratic establishment. He let them run him over during that whole thing with Hillary where they rigged the primary. He let them get away with stuff where I think he should have put his foot down and said, This is fucked up. You guys are rigging the party. They haven't had a legit primary in... Like, what, more than a decade? Mm-hmm. That's not good. That's not good if you want to be the party that's the solution, the change. Where's your primaries? What are you doing? Like when they installed Kamala, they just shoved her in there. All of a sudden, this is our representative now. Biden's out. And we were like, wait, what? Right. There's no primary? Like what about the rules? What about the way we've always done this? Well, Biden was taking a nap. He had to do something. It's amazing he's still alive. I thought he was going to die right after he got out of office. I thought, I thought he was probably barely hanging on, which is also the real, one of my big fears about him doing another four years. Like, there's no way, no way he's going to make it out of four years. Thank you. I don't know. It's all going to be over soon. What do you mean? AI or the apocalypse? The apocalypse. Did you hear J.D. Vance was doing a speech I was listening to on Tim Dillon's show? Yeah. I almost brought this up a second ago because I just saw it on Twitter again. He was talking about end times. What was his exact quote? Let's play it. I'll pull it up. Yeah, I'll pull it up. Let's play it. First of all, who are you talking to That you feel like this is the thing to say. Thank you. talking about like whether or not we're Entering end times. J.D. Vance was? Yes. It's loading it for some reason. Yeah. He's on Tim Dillon's show? No, no, no, no, no, no. He was just giving this speech. Tim Dillon was making fun of it. It was fucking hilarious. What's he saying? friends and their family. So I tend to think like the While I wouldn't be shocked if we are living in the end times, What I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, okay. And if that leads to... us building a better world, that thrives and survives for a very long time after I'm gone, that's great too. I just think you've got to try to have it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Here's the other part. It sounds like he's saying that the second hope is it leads to a great world. Yeah. But if it leads to the end times. That's okay too. You know, us building a better world that thrives. And if that leads to the end times, okay. Not okay. Yeah. What are you saying? If that leads to the end times, okay? Not great. That's not okay. And if it doesn't lead to the end times and everybody lives a great life, well, that's great, too. That'd be just fine. That doesn't seem like the optimum perspective. What are they even saying? I feel like you should reverse those two. And the goal is not end times. The goal is make a beautiful world where people thrive. And everybody's happy. And leave the end out. That's the problem with religious people that are convinced that there's a set of events that have been predicted. You think he's a religious person? You think he's a fake religious person? Vance? Yeah. J.D. Vance? He's a Catholic. He's very religious. He wrote a book about, what was his book? Communion? Yeah. That one was called. He's pitching. Yeah. Yeah, he wrote a book about his... you know, spiritual journey. Oh, I didn't. I saw the other movie. Yeah, I mean, that's why Communion, the other one. I know I brought that up when he was on the podcast.
[140:00] A guy who got abducted by aliens? That's the same book title. That's Whitley Stryber's book, Communion. Oh, shit. Yeah, there's a famous movie with – who was in Communion? God damn it. I want to say something, but I don't think it's right. 1989? Christopher Walken, that's right. I just knew about Hillbilly Elegy or whatever the fuck that was. Yeah, that was his first book, and his new one is Communion. But there was a book called Communion by this guy, Whitley Stryber, who had been abducted by aliens, allegedly. Do you know about the name changes? What is that? He's changed his name like four times. What? Yeah. Wait a minute. Okay. James Donald Bowman, his birth name. James David Hamill, the name given to him after his mother married her third husband. Well, that's understandable. Yeah, but he changed it when he was in high school, I think, for that one. But he adopted him. He went by J.D. Hamill through high school. That makes sense. James David Vance, the name he adopted in 2013 before graduating from law school, changing his name to Vance to honor his maternal grandparents, Mama and Papa, who helped raise him. Well, there's a logic behind it, at least. It's not like he's like... ducking taxes or something. I'm not saying that's why I did it, but how many people do you know have changed their name like that? Not many. At least more than once. That is odd. He did it three times. Four. I wonder if you're trying to reinvent yourself. Why do you do that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't like the end times talk. I don't trust him. I don't like that talk. That kind of talk is crazy talk. Yeah. Like, if it's end times, okay? No. No. Jamie said it best. Not good. Not okay. That's not okay. That's not okay. No, that spooks me out. I understand why people are attracted by religion. I understand it from like giving you a moral framework and an ethical framework. I get that. But when people – think that they absolutely know what the interpretations are and absolutely know what's going to happen. And I'll absolutely quit listening to them talk if that's what they come at me with. I know and you don't know. Well, my... My uncle was a Baptist preacher, so I grew up in the church and was really involved, really involved with every single aspect of the Baptist church. And I believed that my uncle was the, who you met, he smelled like piss and he was having problems. But he was my hero my whole life because I thought he was the only one that was telling me the truth. And he ends up hitting on my girlfriend. He was an animal. He was. He asked her to marry him. He asked Jeannie to marry him. That's hilarious. I came home. They'd watched a show, and then they came back, and I had another show to do. I came back. Nobody was in the living room. I was staying at the condo, and I said, how'd it go? And he goes, he asked me to marry him. And I'm like, well, he was joking, right? And I said, I'm in love with your nephew. And he goes, did he ask you to marry him? I'm like, fuck, dude, really? I mean, I never said it. Wasn't he really old then? Yeah, well, yeah, he's 90. Yeah, I think he's kind of not really all there. No, he's not all there anymore. But still, I grew up in the church, and I understand the church. Right. And I understand what's good about it. And, yes, they were teaching a good way of life, you know, to be honest and, you know, all those things that you should be. And you should follow those Ten Commandments anyway. You know, they're all good except for one of them or something. I don't know what I'm I don't like, but I can't remember which one it was. But anyway... I came away from the whole thing... with that. I'm like, "How do I know?" You know, my family, we never talked about politics that much. We were in a little town up in the Panhandle, and they were all Baptist or Church of Christ, and even they didn't agree with each other. And the Church of Christ, it's kind of a Texas religion. It started here. Oh, really? Yeah. And so very small. But my grandmother was that. And so, And she'd go around picking up all the little ladies and go to this little church. And she spoke in tongues every Sunday morning. She would stand up and... And I was sitting right next to her and it embarrassed me every single time. And then the preacher's wife would stand up and interpret because she had the gift of interpretation. That's one of the gifts. And it was always a fundraising thing. You know, it was always the Lord telling you to go deep into your wallet. Oh, how convenient. Did you ever see the, what is it, Gemstones? Fabulous Gemstones? What is it called? Righteous Gemstones. Righteous Gemstones. Funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.
[145:00] That's a good show. Oh, it is so rich, man. I just can't wait for another fucking season of that. That show is fucking phenomenal. And that's a real thing. I mean, that's where Kinnison started. You know, Kinnison was one of those revival preachers. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? That's where I learned this art form. was watching my uncle preach. He was very funny and always getting a laugh on stage, saving souls every fucking week. And I thought it was the greatest thing ever. But he was a great orator, you know, really, really good. And I know that's where I learned I want to be that guy on stage, but I just don't want to have a religious message. You know, I want to be able to tell some dick jokes. But that's where I got it, I know. And that's where Chris Rock got his too, you know. His dad was her uncle or something was a preacher, right? A really good preacher is a really good orator. There's people that are good at it. Larry the Cable Guy, his dad was a good preacher. Preacher. Makes sense. And a pig farmer. Wow. That adds up to Larry the Cable Guy. That makes sense. It's just... It's a real problem when people pretend they have the answers because people want to believe that they do. They really want to believe this person knows. When someone tells you, you have to do this or you're going to burn in hell forever. Like, are you fucking sure? Yeah, really? If you thought this through? How do you know? Right. Based on what? I have no idea, but I'm glad it's there. I'm glad people are tied to it. I don't care about it. I don't bust on anybody's faith because I don't believe that. It doesn't mean I'm right. I've been wrong about so many fucking things. I might be wrong about all of it. The problem was when someone believes something but then wants to force other people to believe it too. And that's an age-old problem with human beings. That's a real issue. All right, Ron. Let's get the fuck out of here. We've got a show to do tonight. Let's... Go. Let's go do it, man. Let's go. I'll be there at 7 o'clock or whatever. Yes, sir. And then I'm closing... Thursday night. Beautiful. Both shows to get ready for these shows in Florida. Nice. Can you look up my dates in Florida real quick? So I'd say which ones. He's already got it. Tatersalad.com. Yeah, there we go. Dayton Beach, Jacksonville on the 11th, Dayton Beach on the 12th, Sarasota on the 13th, all throughout Texas. Yeah, Grand Prairie, that's the anniversary date right there. September 18th. Yeah. 40 years. That's going to be fun. It's going to be a lot of fun. Tatersalad.com. Yeah, Tatersalad. Cosmopolitan. How's that Cosmopolitan? I heard the Cosmopolitan face in Vegas. It's very nice. Fuck, yeah. Great. 2,300 seater. Nice. The one I played at the Mirage. Nice. And I stay in the mansion over at the MGM Grand. That's pretty sweet living over there. Look at you, playing golf. Yeah, playing golf. Let's wrap this bitch up. All right, bud. Appreciate you, brother. I love you, man. Thanks for having me on. Anytime. Bye, bud.
