## Detailed walkthrough
### [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1s) The PHP Security Flaw and the Death of Encryption
The conversation kicks off with Kurt Metzger bringing up a massive cybersecurity vulnerability he saw making the rounds online, asking Joe Rogan and producer Young Jamie to explain what is happening. Metzger mentions it relates to PHP certificates and a counterfeit website exploit—a fundamental vulnerability in web infrastructure that has reportedly existed undetected for 14 years. Jamie notes that official warnings started circulating across social media, specifically originating from the FBI Cyber Division.
Reading directly from the FBI alert, Rogan details that two critical vulnerabilities were identified in PHP core, a foundational programming language powering significant portions of the web. These exploits enable malicious cyber actors to execute arbitrary code remotely, threatening sensitive enterprise networks and user data. The conversation quickly pivots to the broader existential trajectory of digital security. Metzger remarks, “So, what's what's happening is uh AI is eventually going to figure out the code of everything that exists and there will be no more encryption.” Rogan agrees that passwords and standard online safeguards are nearing complete obsolescence, warning that matters are going to get exceptionally chaotic given that the entire modern financial system is hosted online.
[01:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=95s) "The Octopus", Vince Foster, and Chris Ruddy
The discussion of systemic digital backdoors prompts Kurt Metzger to invoke the "Octopus" scandal—referencing Danny Casolaro's investigation into the PROMIS software backdoor, high-level intelligence cabals, and tied-in networks involving figures like Jeffrey Epstein. As Rogan and Metzger recall the Netflix documentary *The Octopus Murders*, they debate Casolaro's highly suspicious suicide, where his wrists were slashed multiple times in a hotel bathtub. Metzger compares it to the mythos surrounding other high-profile whistleblower deaths, briefly confusing the suicide of journalist Gary Webb—who died of two gunshot wounds to the head—with an Enron executive.
This leads directly into the death of former Clinton White House counsel Vince Foster. Metzger recalls an interview on Jimmy Dore’s show where an investigator challenged the standard narrative:
> “The strange death of Vince Foster is a great book.”
While pop culture often attributes Foster’s death directly to the Clintons, the researcher argued it was tied to an FBI-associated trafficking network that Foster refused to cooperate with. Rogan points out that Foster was caught in the middle of multiple overlapping controversies during Bill Clinton’s political rise, including the Mena, Arkansas drug-running operations involving Barry Seal and the Whitewater real estate scandal. Metzger points out a shocking detail from that interview regarding Christopher Ruddy, the reporter who wrote *The Strange Death of Vincent Foster* and helped establish the initial public framing of the case. Metzger highlights that Ruddy—who later founded Newsmax and became extremely wealthy—was alleged by this researcher to have been controlled opposition running a cover-up. Metzger marvels at the realization that the primary source literature he relied on for decades might have been part of an elaborate misdirection.
- The documentary referenced is *The Octopus Murders*, focusing on the PROMIS surveillance software scandal and journalist Danny Casolaro's death.
- Gary Webb, the journalist who exposed the CIA-Contra crack cocaine connection in *Dark Alliance*, notoriously died from two gunshot wounds to the head, officially ruled a suicide.
- Christopher Ruddy authored the 1997 investigative book *The Strange Death of Vincent Foster* before founding Newsmax.
[04:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=289s) The Politics of War and Alleged Directed-Energy Weapons
Kurt Metzger and Joe Rogan turn their attention toward geopolitical theater, Trump's foreign policy maneuvering, and the ongoing war on terror. Metzger argues that political leadership routinely engages in deception, dismissing anti-narcotics rhetoric as manufactured pretexts. He mocks top defense officials, calling out Pete Hegseth by referencing his slicked hair and Crusader/Templar tattoos. When Rogan asks if he genuinely believes the war on drugs is entirely fake, Metzger insists that the government's narrative about interdicting Venezuelan cocaine makes no sense, noting, “I used to do a lot of coke, dude. I heard every kind of cocaine. Never heard no Venezuelan coke.”
The talk shifts to reports of US operations and unconventional military hardware allegedly deployed in Venezuela. Metzger and Rogan debate the use of non-lethal directed-energy weapons, microwave systems, and "heat rays" tested by the Pentagon and DHS:
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Directed Energy Non-Lethal Weapons
accDescr: Progression from military microwave technology to psychological and physical effects on targets.
subgraph Tech["Directed-Energy Tech"]
A["Millimeter-Wave / Microwave Emitters"] --> B["Pentagon & DHS Active Denial Systems"]
end
subgraph TargetImpact["Target Symptoms"]
B --> C["Cellular Heating / Burning Sensation"]
B --> D["Severe Neurological Disorientation"]
end
```
Metzger describes sensational reports of advanced troops wearing specialized helmets deploying weapons that reportedly induce severe brain bleeds, disorientation, and extreme physical agony without technically causing immediate death. Rogan remains skeptical of the more extreme combat rumors coming out of Venezuela, though he acknowledges that active denial microwave systems heat water molecules in the skin to produce excruciating pain. Comparing these devices to domestic riot gear, Rogan notes that "less-lethal" crowd-control munitions like rubber bullets routinely cause catastrophic injuries, such as blinding people, making the distinction between lethal and non-lethal largely administrative. Wrapping up the tangent, Metzger confesses he is actively trying to cut down on online doom-scrolling, admitting that outside of keeping up with news clips, his screen time is almost entirely dedicated to watching YouTube videos on his phone.
[08:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=514s) Screen Time Addiction and Curating the Digital Poison
The conversation opens with a discussion on personal screen time and media consumption habits. Duncan Trussell and Kurt Metzger consider an average of one hour a day to be admirable, but Joe Rogan and the group acknowledge that the typical user logs five to six hours daily, which totals roughly 49 hours a week. Trussell reflects on the personal guilt that accompanies excessive phone usage, recounting a sluggish morning where he woke up early to drive his child, attempted to work, and then fell into a spiral of scrolling on his phone while sitting in the bathroom and finishing breakfast: “You just feel like such a loser.” Rogan emphasizes the devastating impact this environment has on children who lack self-control, especially when teachers fail to monitor device use at school. Trussell remarks that “It’s all poison coming in,” prompting Rogan to counter that media feeds can be intentionally curated into something constructive:
> “Most of it’s poison. Most of it’s poison. But you can curate it and make it not poison if you’re just smart with what you do.”
Rogan explains that he intentionally restricts his own YouTube consumption to educational subjects that genuinely stimulate his curiosity, such as ancient history, cosmology, and astronomy.
[09:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=596s) The Elsagate Rabbit Hole and Algorithmic Exploitation of Kids
Duncan Trussell pivots the discussion to the bizarre, disturbing phenomenon historically dubbed "Elsagate," asking if the room remembers the unsettling YouTube videos pairing Spider-Man and Elsa from Disney's *Frozen*. Trussell describes how unattended children on YouTube would inevitably slide down an algorithmic funnel into increasingly warped, uncanny content whose origins remained mysterious. Metzger explains the algorithmic mechanic behind the content: automated production channels realized that children are hypnotized by vivid colors mixed with primal or taboo concepts such as receiving medical injections, pregnancy, insects, and overt violence.
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Elsagate Algorithmic Content Loop
accDescr: Diagram showing how automated channels combined high-engagement triggers into surreal animations to capture children's attention.
subgraph Triggers["Psychological Triggers"]
A["Medical Shots & Needles"]
B["Pregnancy & Birth"]
C["Insects & Graphic Violence"]
end
subgraph Engine["Algorithmic Assembly"]
D["Popular Characters<br/>(Spider-Man & Elsa)"]
E["Sensory Saturated Gibberish"]
end
subgraph Outcome["Viewer Impact"]
F["Child Retained on Screen"]
G["Subconscious Conditioning"]
end
Triggers --> E
D --> E
E --> F
F --> G
```
The hosts recount specific, disquieting tropes found within these videos—such as characters getting drunk, having their heads violently smashed with blood splashing, or Spider-Man undergoing bizarre pregnancies and giving birth. While the base explanation is financial monetization through algorithmic optimization, Trussell argues there was likely a darker element of psychological testing involved:
> “There is no way something like that exists that our government didn’t learn everything they could about and how to weaponize. And also it was probably them.”
Metzger brings up the parallel scandal uncovered during that era, where pedophiles were found coordinating in the comment sections of innocent children's videos (such as pool vlogs) and games like Roblox, leaving exact timestamps—such as "3:22"—to direct illicit viewers to specific compromising frames.
[12:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=722s) Pedophile Code Words and Political Distractions Around Epstein
The talk turns to subterranean communication codes, comparing illicit internet subcultures to numerical slang like 420 for marijuana or 187 for homicide. Metzger and Rogan note known code terms that surfaced during political leaks, such as "pizza" and "beef jerky." Metzger demands accountability for the individuals connected to these correspondence chains:
> “Whoever the fuck wrote those emails that’s alive, they should be brought into a room publicly. Like, what are you talking about?”
The hosts satirize public figures who brushed off associations with notorious figures, joking about people visiting creepy associates' estates with massage tables and bringing unexplained extra children along on "vacation." Rogan notes a recent trend among specific political commentators and influencers—such as Nick Fuentes, Chris Ruddy, and Gavin McInnes—pushing audiences to stop obsessing over Jeffrey Epstein. Rogan plays devil's advocate, questioning whether commentators simply view the Epstein story as an unresolvable black hole distracting the public from urgent matters like midterms, tensions with Iran, or civil unrest in France. Metzger dismisses this reasoning, arguing that influencers pushing that line are paid operatives misleading compliant followers.
- Code words and numbers discussed include 420 (marijuana), 187 (police code for homicide), and leaked email euphemisms like "pizza" and "beef jerky."
- The panel highlights the suspicious normalization of high-profile figures maintaining ties with Jeffrey Epstein under the guise of family vacations.
[14:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=850s) Scott Dow’s Custom Woodwork and the Baculum
The conversation shifts abruptly to art and studio furniture when Trussell notices a prop baculum (walrus penis bone) in the studio. Rogan points out that the walrus baculum resting on the table in front of them was a gift from outdoorsman Steven Rinella. Rogan then directs Jamie Vernon to pull up the portfolio of artisan woodcarver Scott Dow, who constructed custom wooden tables for both Rogan’s comedy club (the Comedy Mothership) and his studio. Rogan recounts that a massive table carved with an intricate snake motif had to be sawed in half simply to fit up the stairwell before being placed in the club's green room.
Rogan enthusiastically details Dow’s craft, explaining how the artist roughs out immense wooden sculptures using chainsaws before refining the finer details with precision tools. Jamie browses Dow's Instagram page, examining carved works featuring swimming dogs, alligators surfacing from pool water, and sea serpents attacking ships. Rogan reflects on Dow's growing popularity after the show initially highlighted his work:
> “When we blew him up on the internet, he got real popular.”
[17:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1020s) The Walrus Baculum and Texas Contraband Banter
The conversation opens with the hosts handling what is ostensibly a fossilized giant walrus baculum—a walrus penis bone—though skepticism immediately arises over whether the specimen in the studio is authentic or an imitation carved from wood. Joe, Duncan, and Kurt pass it around, examining the tip and the base, jokingly sniffing and tasting it to verify its pedigree. The banter quickly descends into locker-room humor about the object’s possible intimate uses, with the hosts reasoning that if multiple people in the room independently own a baculum, the artifact cannot be nearly as rare as antique dealers claim.
Duncan brings up a stand-up joke concerning the state of Texas, pointing out that Texas has notoriously stricter legal limits on the possession of dildos and sex toys than it does on firearms. He riffs that draconian obscenity regulations inevitably drive people toward natural substitutes or illicit craftwork: “If they can’t get it in the shops, they’re going to get it from walrus back.” Joe agrees, joking that Texans will simply carve their own tools using good old-fashioned prison ingenuity. Jamie pulls up an online listing showing an authentic antique walrus baculum cane fitted with a 24-karat gold-plated handle, complete with an archival photograph of its original owner, Wayne Hudson, which had an opening bid of just ten dollars.
- The auction listing displays an authentic walrus baculum walking cane featuring a 24-karat gold-plated handle alongside provenance documentation and a photograph of the original owner, Wayne Hudson.
- The item carried a starting bid of $10 and had reached an active bid of $128.
- The hosts joke about archaic Texas obscenity statutes, which historically placed statutory limits on owning six or more obscene devices.
---
[18:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1131s) Elsagate, Disturbing Kids' AI Animations, and Subconscious Programming
Jamie brings up the resurgence of "Elsagate"—the surreal, disturbing genre of algorithm-targeted children's media on YouTube—noting that online reports suggest "Elsagate 3.0" has emerged through mass-produced generative AI animations. A jarring clip appears on the studio monitors showing bizarre imagery where a small red canary is graphically decapitated before abruptly morphing into colorful candy. Joe is immediately repulsed, calling for the video to be taken down and warning that parents who park their toddlers in front of automated YouTube feeds are exposing them to nightmare fuel.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Elsagate Algorithmic Content Loop
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how Elsagate animation channels generate and monetize unsettling children content.
subgraph Production ["Production Stage"]
A["Low-Cost Animation / AI Models"] --> B["Bizarre Archetypes & Grotesque Mashups"]
end
subgraph Distribution ["Algorithmic Loop"]
B --> C["Automated Mass Uploads"]
C --> D["YouTube Recommendation Engine"]
D --> E["Unsupervised Child Viewing"]
end
subgraph Impact ["Psychological & Platform Churn"]
E --> F["Sensory Overload & Nightmares"]
C -.->|"Channels Banned / Purged"| G["New Ghost Channels Spawn"]
G -.-> C
end
```
The hosts draw parallels between these algorithmic animations and psychological warfare experiments. Duncan and Kurt argue that whether driven by human animators in overseas studios—such as bulk animation shops outsourced to Vietnam—or algorithmic neural nets, the grotesque mashups (such as pregnant Spider-Man or violent body-horror tropes) act like a surreal "Twilight language" targeting the developing subconscious. Kurt compares the involuntary exposure to the brutal psychological conditioning of Project MKUltra in the 1950s, remarking, “No, this is shit that in MK Ultra in the 50s, you’d have to watch. You’d be forced to watch it all night.” The panel marvels at how these ephemeral channels appear out of nowhere, rack up millions of views from unsupervised kids, get terminated by platform moderation, and immediately respawn under fresh accounts.
*(Mid-segment, Joe Rogan delivers an ad read for AG1 Pro, highlighting its blend of multivitamins, probiotics, and over 500 peer-reviewed studies backing creatine for muscle strength and recovery.)*
---
[21:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1290s) Disney Adults, Social Clubs, and the 'Kia Boys' Phenomenon
The critique of Elsagate shifts naturally into a broader debate about the cultural effects of mainstream children's entertainment, starting with Disney. Kurt asserts that several generations have already suffered psychological warping simply from growing up steeped in classic Disney cartoons, citing the rise of obsessive "Disney adults" as prime evidence of arrested development. Duncan defends them, arguing that if they are happy, visiting theme parks is harmless escapism compared to alternative adult vices. The banter turns into friendly teasing across the table, with Kurt and Duncan roasting each other's outfits—from Duncan's colorful attire to Joe being labeled a "techno cowboy" and a "CIA cowboy" whose handler, Peter Thiel, is supposedly blowing up his phone with text messages mid-show.
The conversation turns to the strange subculture of unofficial adult Disney gangs and social clubs that roam Disneyland in matching vests, initiating members through petty disobedience like disrupting queues or getting kicked off rides. Kurt riffs on graduating into that scene from real-world delinquency: “Well, I used to be a Kia boy, but I had to step it down cuz I had ankle bracelet. So I stepped down to being a Disney boy.” Joe brings up the real "Kia Boys"—the viral trend of teenagers in American cities exploiting manufacturing vulnerabilities in Kia and Hyundai vehicles using nothing more than a standard USB cable to hotwire them in thirty seconds. Kurt mentions hearing that an acquaintance of Alex Jones was recently shot during an altercation, joking that while people initially suspected a political assassination, the moment he discovered the victim was driving a Kia, the mystery was immediately solved.
- The "Kia Boys" phenomenon involves teenagers exploiting an ignition cylinder defect in certain turn-key Kia and Hyundai models using a simple USB connector.
- Kurt jokes that the "Mystery Boys" podcast could launch an AI-generated comedy show centered around competitive adult Disney park gangs.
- The hosts note that the informal Disney park social clubs often model themselves after motorcycle clubs, wearing custom denim or leather vests while patrolling theme park paths.
---
[24:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1460s) Disney's Subconscious Programming and the Modern Consumer
Kurt lays out a critique of how mega-corporations groom audiences from early childhood into compliant, lifelong consumers. He argues that Disney's visual formulas are precision-engineered to permanently seize the subconscious emotional center with an artificial sense of "magic" that persists into adulthood. According to Kurt, this cradle-to-grave brand allegiance dovetails with rising rates of neurodivergence, creating an ideal demographic that relies heavily on structured corporate intellectual property for personal identity and comfort.
He points to reality television shows like *Love on the Spectrum* and the modern state of franchises like *Star Wars* to illustrate his point. Rather than rejecting poorly written or derivative installments, loyal fanbases continue to consume merchandise and weep at promotional trailers regardless of quality. Kurt summarizes the corporate incentive to cultivate an uncritical, permanently attached audience: “You fucked up Star Wars 10 years in a row making shitty Star Wars and they’ll still love it and cry when the preview comes on. Those are the perfect citizens.” Duncan adds nuance to the discussion, noting that unlike malevolent sociopaths, people on the spectrum genuinely crave deep connection but often struggle with interpersonal communication, making hyper-consistent fantasy worlds an irresistible substitute for real-world socialization.
[25:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1517s) Autism, Vaccines, and the Question of Evil Intent
Kurt Metzger argues that the modern public is intentionally trained to be compartmentalized so they never assemble disparate events or notice the big picture, failing even to retain memories longer than a single month. Joe Rogan pushes back against chaining unrelated phenomena together into an intentional conspiracy. Looking at rising autism rates, Rogan points to environmental toxins and early childhood vaccines, but insists it stems from corporate profit rather than a deliberate plot to engineer neurodivergent people. As Rogan explains: “I don’t think they’re doing that to make people autistic; I think they’re doing that to profit off of these vaccines.” Once institutions realize there are more autistic people, Rogan argues, they simply pivot to weaponize and mold them to their advantage rather than having manufactured the disorder from scratch.
When Metzger questions Rogan’s belief that people are not purely evil, he brings up China gene-editing children under the pretext of preventing HIV. Rogan agrees that Anthony Fauci manipulated the public during COVID-19 even worse than during the early HIV crisis, and acknowledges individual figures like Fauci can be deeply malicious. However, Rogan resists Metzger's broader conspiratorial claims, declining to believe that Hollywood studios like Disney coordinate directly with the state to engineer autism.
[27:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1626s) Hollywood Propaganda and State Capitalism
Metzger clarifies that he does not believe the state engineered autism personally, but rather that Hollywood functions as an arm of state propaganda. He points out that entertainment has been deeply entwined with the Pentagon from the beginning, referencing Tommy Lee Jones’s cousin acting as a liaison, and citing Claire Danes recounting on Stephen Colbert's show how their production visited a CIA camp. When Colbert quickly tamped down her comment, Metzger saw it as evidence of tightly managed messaging. Metzger asserts that modern "woke" messaging serves a propaganda function, emphasizing that poisons remain in the environment simply because those in power refuse to eliminate them.
Referring to environmental contaminants that disrupt hormones, Metzger invokes Alex Jones’s infamous phrasing: “Alex said inartfully but correctly, that shit mutilates genitals and sex genes.” For Metzger, failing to phase out chemicals once their biological harms are known proves intent: “Once you know it does that and you’re not doing shit, and in fact it becomes more, that means you want to do it.” Rogan counters that the driving motive is quarterly corporate revenue rather than malicious design, prompting Metzger to retort that pure free markets do not exist because America operates under state capitalism, where every major corporation relies on government contracts.
[29:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1746s) Cultural Cymatics and the Perpetuation of Child Sacrifice
Duncan Trussell intervenes with a unifying theory drawn from cymatics—the physical phenomenon where frequencies played through a speaker cause baby powder or sand to form precise geometric patterns. Trussell argues that both Rogan and Metzger are observing a form of "cultural cymatics," where an underlying frequency of greed, selfishness, and exploitation crystallizes into identical societal structures throughout human history:
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Cultural Cymatics Cycle
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how underlying greed manifests historically through institutional sacrifice and corporate profit.
subgraph Frequency ["The Underlying Frequency"]
A["Frequency of Greed and Selfishness"]
end
subgraph Motive ["Institutional Justification"]
D["Favor from the Gods"]
E["Corporate Profit and Government Contracts"]
end
A --> B
A --> C
B --- D
C --- E
```
Trussell argues that ancient rituals and modern systemic harm share the same fundamental shape: “What both of you are tuning into is a kind of cultural cymatics, that there exists in the world a frequency of greed or evil or selfishness that shows up in these specific ways throughout history over and over and over again.” Trussell compares prescribing harmful, unnecessary pharmaceuticals to children solely for corporate profit to the child sacrifices performed by the Aztecs. Rogan agrees with the comparison, noting that while ancient priests sacrificed children to win favor with the gods, modern corporations enact the same sacrifice through an obfuscated maze purely for money. Metzger laments that politicians run theatrical congressional hearings where nothing ever fundamentally changes, keeping citizens trapped in a pointless cycle.
- Cymatics shows how different frequencies arrange particles into geometric shapes, serving as Trussell's metaphor for how systemic evil arranges human institutions across eras.
- Rogan characterizes corporate pharmaceutical harms toward children—such as administering COVID-19 shots followed by rare adverse reactions like strokes—as a roundabout, filtered form of child sacrifice.
- Metzger observes that three years working on a news program has made him cynical about the performative nature of government oversight hearings.
[31:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1891s) The Deep State, Calley Means, and the Glyphosate Dilemma
The conversation turns to bureaucratic inertia within Washington, with Rogan mentioning that Calley Means recently left his work advising the administration. Means, who pushed for health reforms such as expanding access to therapeutic peptides, found himself blocked by a real "deep state" made up of embedded industry insiders who intentionally stall meaningful reform to protect incumbent profits. Peptides were supposedly slated for policy clearance years earlier, but administrative regulators continuously hit the brakes.
Rogan points out that this entrenched economic model prevents the government from banning obvious poisons, highlighting the ongoing reliance on glyphosate: “That was the craziest argument when RFK Jr. was on here and he was explaining that to me, that they made an executive order to keep glyphosate because otherwise it would fuck up the food business.” The modern commercial agriculture system has become completely dependent on herbicides; switching overnight to alternatives like laser-weeding robotics or transitioning exhausted soil into rich, composted regenerative farmland would take a decade and require massive capital investment. Rogan concludes that because industrial farming turned living soil into an inert, toxic dust layer that must be continually doused in synthetic nitrogen, the crooks who profit off the status quo refuse to change course.
[33:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2037s) Biological Warfare Testing and Domestic Simulant Programs
Kurt Metzger brings up documented historical operations where the United States military conducted covert chemical and biological experiments on domestic populations. He points to testing conducted on children in Kansas City and public trials in San Francisco, recalling how army personnel sprayed toxic compounds from rooftops and into public transit systems rather than deploying airplanes. Joe Rogan notes the military's intent was to study wind dispersal and determine infection vectors in the event of an incoming bioweapon attack, while Duncan Trussell sarcastically assumes the government must have reformed since no official ever faced justice. Kurt jokingly concedes that MKUltra was eventually shut down, but Duncan underscores the deeper psychopathology behind such experiments. To Duncan, it transcends standard greed, embodying a quasi-religious class arrogance: “That feeling of I want eugenics for me and I want disgenics for you. I'm going to be a living god by pushing you down to the category of mineral thereby making me, you know, a special transhuman nightmare from the Dune series.”
Young Jamie pulls up a declassified 1977 U.S. Army report outlining the historical background of the domestic biological warfare simulant program dating back to 1941. The documents show that the military conducted 160 distinct simulant tests across 66 military and civilian locations throughout the United States, including Alaska and Hawaii. Technicians monitored the atmospheric drift of agents like zinc cadmium sulfide and sprayed biological simulants directly into the New York and San Francisco subway systems to track downwind human exposure. Kurt argues that people often dismiss his commentary as fringe paranoia even though the government openly documented experiments reminiscent of Nazi atrocities, prompting Joe to point out that the U.S. actively incorporated top Nazi scientists and intelligence operatives right after the war.
- **Historical Scope**: The U.S. military ran 160 biological simulant tests starting in 1941 across 66 domestic locations, encompassing both civilian population centers and military installations.
- **Dispersion Methods**: Substances like zinc cadmium sulfide were dispersed using rooftop blowers, specialized sampling devices, and subway air currents to measure downwind travel and human contamination.
- **Subway Experiments**: Underground transit tunnels in major cities were fumigated with biological simulants to model pathogen transmission across packed urban transit hubs.
---
[37:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2232s) Post-War Intelligence, Otto Skorzeny, and the Strategy of Tension
Kurt argues that the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) functionally absorbed remnants of Nazi intelligence, specifically pointing to SS commando Otto Skorzeny, Operation Gladio, and the postwar doctrine known as the "strategy of tension." Kurt describes this strategy as a deliberate playbook where intelligence agencies covertly fund and orchestrate opposing extremist groups to engineer public chaos and manipulate civic outcomes, linking the concept to modern domestic controversies. Rogan pushes back, asking whether engineering internal discord is just an ancient tactic seen throughout history, such as Nero burning Rome. Kurt stands his ground, stating: “The term I mean the term yes but you are correct but the strategy of tension that term comes originally from Otto Skorzeny's group.”
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Postwar Intelligence Absorption and the Strategy of Tension
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating the integration of wartime Nazi intelligence personnel into Western agencies and the execution of the Strategy of Tension.
subgraph Absorption ["Intelligence Integration"]
A["Wartime Nazi Networks (SS / Gehlen Org)"] -->|"Recruited via Cold War imperatives"| B["OSS / Emerging CIA"]
C["World Commerce Corporation"] -.->|"Corporate Umbrella / Logistics"| B
end
subgraph Gladio ["Cold War Operations"]
B --> D["Operation Gladio & Stay-Behind Networks"]
D --> E["Strategy of Tension (Otto Skorzeny)"]
end
subgraph Application ["Tactical Execution"]
E --> F["Fund & Agitate Left-Wing Factions"]
E --> G["Fund & Arm Right-Wing Factions"]
F & G --> H["Engineered Domestic Destabilization"]
end
```
Jamie runs a query through Perplexity AI, which reports that characterizing the transition as an outright "merger" between the OSS and the SS is historically inaccurate; the official record states that Western intelligence agencies absorbed former Nazi personnel and stay-behind networks to counter the Soviet Union during the early Cold War. Kurt dismisses the semantic distinction, arguing that absorbing the members of an organization into your own is by definition a merger, and claims the umbrella entity coordinating these early efforts was the World Commerce Corporation. He references author Sean Patrick Hazlett’s show *Through a Glass Darkly*, only for Duncan to suddenly remember that he was actually a guest on Hazlett's podcast over Zoom. The conversation derails into comedic banter about Sam Tripoli, informal group texts with doctors and academics, and whether Duncan and Kurt can designate their own casual texting threads as official "think tanks."
- **Strategy of Tension**: A political warfare doctrine attributed to postwar clandestine networks, involving the covert financing and arming of rival political factions to provoke violence and justify state control.
- **Intelligence Continuity**: Rather than an institutional merger, declassified records document that Western intelligence recruited key German military intelligence figures (including Reinhard Gehlen's network and Otto Skorzeny's contacts) for anti-communist operations.
- **World Commerce Corporation**: Cited by Kurt as a private commercial front set up by former wartime intelligence leaders to bridge commercial trade, espionage, and covert operations.
---
[40:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2424s) The Grift of Elizabeth Holmes and The Dropout
Duncan steers the conversation to the Hulu miniseries *The Dropout*, which chronicles the rise and fall of Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes. Duncan raves about Amanda Seyfried’s portrayal of Holmes, noting how brilliantly she captures the gradual deepening of Holmes's synthetic baritone voice and her intensely awkward, highly focused mannerisms. Kurt jokes about modern Hollywood casting trends, suggesting they should have cast a Black man to play Holmes just to take the creative liberties to the extreme.
Duncan confesses that had he encountered the real Elizabeth Holmes in person, he would have been completely duped by her charisma, her unblinking blue eyes, and her hypnotic gaze, referencing a famous clip where she fixed her stare directly on Nathan Fielder. Duncan argues that charismatic sociopaths project an almost supernatural presence that cannot be understood through flat television screens or photographs: “Like when you look at like the ability to manipulate people at the level that she did, that's more than you just can't know until you're around someone like I mean you've been around you you have people like that on your podcast. You can feel their vibe.” Joe agrees that high-profile political figures such as Donald Trump and JD Vance emit an overwhelming personal magnetism in an intimate room, while Duncan concludes that elite grifters and power players operate like modern-day "warlocks," using interpersonal hypnosis and manipulating mirror neurons to disarm anyone who stands in their way.
[42:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2573s) Dramatized True Crime and Gonzo Fabrication
The conversation begins with a discussion of the Silicon Valley startup boom and the culture that enabled fraudulent ventures like Theranos. While acknowledging that startup founders routinely pitched inflated promises under the shared expectation of huge payouts, Joe Rogan explains that his frustration with dramatized depictions of real-world scandals lies in the invented private scenes. Even when a production accurately reflects investigative facts and documented financial deceit, the inclusion of unrecorded private interactions breaks the illusion of authenticity. When a show depicts Elizabeth Holmes and Sunny Balwani behaving strangely in complete isolation, the writers are fundamentally guessing. Rogan notes that this technique crosses the line from documentary storytelling into a form of persuasion that manipulates the audience's perception of real individuals without their input or consent.
Rogan compares this dramatization to the techniques popularized by gonzo journalism, where the boundary between objective reporting and outright invention becomes deliberately blurred. By inserting fabricated encounters into factual frameworks, writers end up directing public sentiment under the guise of truth. Reflecting on this dynamic, Rogan makes his objection clear: “I don't like when there's dialogue between people and I know somebody just made it up.” The hosts agree that presenting fictionalized exchanges as authentic accounts functions as an insidious form of narrative shaping.
- The group contrasts Silicon Valley's pervasive culture of exaggerated startup pitches with genuine criminal fraud.
- Rogan singles out the dramatized portrayal of Sunny Balwani and Elizabeth Holmes as an example of screenwriters inventing dialogue between uncooperative subjects.
---
[44:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2653s) Hunter S. Thompson, Ed Muskie, and the Power of the Lie
The critique of narrative invention leads directly into an anecdote about Hunter S. Thompson’s coverage of the 1972 United States presidential election in *Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72*. Thompson famously derailed the campaign of Democratic front-runner Senator Ed Muskie by fabricating a bizarre rumor claiming that Muskie was addicted to ibogaine and taking guidance from a Brazilian witch doctor. The baseless story rattled Muskie so thoroughly that he found himself forced to make public denials on the trail, leading to visible agitation that severely damaged his public standing and doomed his candidacy.
The hosts bring up Thompson’s subsequent appearance on *The Dick Cavett Show*, where he openly and unapologetically admitted to the fabrication on national television. When questioned about the reporting, Thompson had brazenly dodged accountability by exploiting semantic loopholes, as Rogan recalls: “I couldn't believe the people that Muskie was eating ibogaine. I never said he was. I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was, which was true. And I started the rumor in Milwaukee.” Kurt Metzger compares this kind of psychological disruption to esoteric claims made by occultist Aleister Crowley, who wrote in his confessions that he had intentionally infected Nazi leadership with deranged ideas to sabotage their regime. The discussion underscores the idea that psychological manipulation operates like a hex: if an individual or an audience buys into a premise, the fallout behaves as though the premise were true.
- Hunter S. Thompson admitted to inventing an ibogaine addiction rumor out of thin air, torpedoing Ed Muskie’s 1972 presidential run.
- Aleister Crowley's writings are referenced regarding his claims of psychological sabotage against Germany during the war.
- The hosts note that psychological belief alone can create devastating real-world outcomes, functioning like a self-fulfilling curse.
---
[46:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2762s) Folk Legends, David Grusch’s Four NHIs, and the Terrestrial Mutant Theory
The conversation shifts toward the esoteric and ufological when Kurt Metzger connects psychological programming to David Grusch’s congressional testimony regarding Non-Human Intelligence (NHI). Joking that Grusch's catalog of four distinct NHI types sounds like an operatic pop quartet put together by Simon Cowell, the hosts recount the described archetypes: the insectoids, the reptilians, the towering blonde "Nordics," and the blue, statuesque entities reminiscent of the engineers in Ridley Scott’s *Prometheus*. Metzger, however, pushes an alternate thesis, suggesting these phenomena are entirely terrestrial products of covert genetic programs and disfigurement rather than visitors from other worlds.
To illustrate his hypothesis, Metzger references South African folklore surrounding the *Tokoloshe*, popularized in Western counterculture circles through David Icke’s conversations with Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa. Metzger claims that historical regional lore involved torturing, binding, and physically deforming vulnerable individuals to create goblin-like entities used for psychological terror. He argues that intelligence agencies and post-war research boards studied these traditions, attempting to reverse-engineer fear tactics and physical alterations. This leads Metzger to reevaluate Annie Jacobsen’s controversial reporting on the 1947 Roswell crash, which suggested the wreckage contained surgically altered children engineered by the Soviets to induce mass panic in the United States. Rather than extraterrestrial entities collecting genetic material, Metzger suggests the grays are degraded, human-derived creations: “They're human. They made—people made them.”
- The group riffs on David Grusch’s descriptions of four distinct NHI phenotypes (insectoid, reptilian, Nordic, and engineer-like entities).
- Metzger cites South African folklore regarding the *Tokoloshe* as a blueprint for weaponized psychological mutilation.
- The narrative reported in Annie Jacobsen’s book on Area 51—alleging that Roswell involved human guinea pigs engineered for psychological warfare—is discussed as a potential model for the gray alien mythos.
---
[50:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3004s) Brain Organoids, Black Budgets, and the Cold War Arms Race
Duncan Trussell jumps in to support the underlying rationale of Metzger’s argument, shifting the focus from wild speculation to documented biotechnology and historical state experiments. Trussell points out that modern laboratories are already successfully integrating human brain organoids grown from stem cells into mouse brains. Given that governments conducted unconsented biological aerosol dispersal tests over the New York City subway system as far back as the mid-20th century, Trussell argues that secret biological and eugenic programs aimed at engineering extreme physiological adaptations or super soldiers are completely within the historical character of black-budget defense research.
Trussell contends that when geopolitical rivals face an existential arms race, ethical boundaries disappear completely. In that light, human experimentation during the Cold War Space Race seems just as plausible as encounters with beings from other dimensions. Emphasizing the ruthless logic of military competition, Trussell argues: “And when it comes to having a military advantage, morality goes out the window, man.” Rogan pushes back, asking why any covert military initiative would specifically go out of its way to produce disproportionate creatures with oversized heads, frail frames, and massive black eyes, prompting Metzger and Trussell to trace the motivation back to Soviet-American psychological warfare.
- Trussell references recent advances in cellular biology, specifically human stem-cell-derived brain organoids integrated into rodent models.
- Historical covert tests, such as the military's simulated bioweapon releases in the New York City subway, are cited as evidence of state willingness to bypass civilian consent.
- The hosts debate whether the physical characteristics of classic "gray aliens" could have been engineered as a functional prototype or terror weapon during the Cold War.
[51:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3112s) Tokoloshe Farms, Muti Knowledge, and Psychological Warfare
The group investigates lore surrounding a rumored "tokoloshe farm" in South Africa, reading an excerpt detailing covert rural facilities where deformed children are allegedly reared as assassins trained with esoteric *muti* (traditional medicine) knowledge. While no verifiable evidence confirms the compound's physical existence, the sinister reputation surrounding the tokoloshe is described as deeply guarded classified lore, so taboo that traditional craftspeople historically refused to carve likenesses of the entity. Kurt Metzger likens the concept of weaponizing deformed individuals with arcane training to a dark, real-world version of the X-Men.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Tokoloshe Legend and Psychological Warfare
accDescr: Flow diagram showing how traditional folklore, trained animals, and fear combine into psychological warfare.
subgraph Folklore["Folklore & Rumors"]
A["Tokoloshe Farm Rumors<br>(Assassin training & muti)"]
B["Hairy Dwarf Legends"]
end
subgraph PsyWar["Psychological Effect"]
E["Sight Trigger"]
F["Paralyzing Fear Weapon"]
end
Folklore --> E
MundaneReality --> E
E --> F
```
The lore categorizes the creature into three distinct grades. The most widely recognized iteration resembles a small, hairy humanoid, though accounts often demystify the phenomenon as mundane utility—specifically trained baboons or other animals directed by handlers to carry out domestic chores or intimidate rivals. The real weapon lies in terror conditioning: once someone believes they are encountering a supernatural curse, dread incapacitates them completely. Metzger compares this psychological leverage to historical mind-control practices, such as administering scopolamine to induce pliable trance states where victims are convinced their hearts or agency have been stolen: “That's what you call a nice mind war.”
- The passage reviewed by the hosts was attributed to a resident healer named Fiso Pretorius from an organization named Heavenly Healings.
- Joe Rogan and Metzger joke about Pretorius's appearance on screen, noting his nose ring and pentagram necklace while poking fun at holistic healers who offer services reminiscent of tantric massage parlors.
---
[53:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3215s) Nose Rings, Venice Beach Infections, and Olfactory Adaptation
Metzger expresses an instinctive distrust of men wearing nose piercings, prompting Rogan to recall getting his own nose pierced during his youth on the Venice Beach boardwalk. Rogan describes the reckless impulse of wanting to look rebellious, only for the haphazard procedure to trigger a severe, swollen infection that made him fear he might lose his nose. This sparks a conversation about plastic surgery complications, with the comics contemplating the horror of post-rhinoplasty necrosis, where decomposing nasal cartilage leaves a patient trapped smelling their own decaying flesh.
The discussion shifts to sensory adaptation and olfactory fatigue. Rogan highlights the evolutionary efficiency of human smell, explaining that the olfactory system is calibrated exclusively to register changes in odor rather than ambient baselines. Because the brain rapidly filters out continuous scents, individuals inhabiting heavily polluted factory towns or industrial zones become completely nose-blind to the stench, just as habitual cigarette smokers cannot smell the smoke saturating their clothes and skin.
- Duncan Trussell notes that when he was an active smoker, he could never smell cigarette smoke on himself.
- The panel speculates that olfactory adaptation evolved to prevent early humans from starving, allowing ancestors to consume pungent or decaying meat in survival scenarios without succumbing to nausea.
---
[57:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3420s) Urban Filth, Horse Manure, and Miasma Theory
Trussell draws a parallel between sensory blindness and modern infrastructure, noting how citizens walk past endless rows of wooden telephone poles strung with wire without ever registering them as artificial intrusions on the landscape. Rogan redirects the conversation to the squalor of historical cities. Before modern automobiles, nineteenth-century New York City streets were suffocated under mountains of horse manure, casting off noxious fumes that kept urban populations constantly besieged by outbreaks of typhoid and other deadly infectious diseases. The lack of sanitation in earlier eras was even more severe, such as in ancient Rome, where residents routinely emptied chamber pots straight out of apartment windows into narrow alleys.
Prior to the widespread validation of germ theory in the late nineteenth century, medical orthodoxy attributed epidemics to miasma theory. Physicians genuinely believed that diseases were spawned by poisonous atmospheric vapors wafting off stagnant swamps and rotting animal carcasses: “They thought diseases literally came from bad smells wafting in from swamps that contained within them in those winds rotten animal breath which was causing diseases to spread.” Trussell jokes about contracting asthma or catching "horse vapors," while the room marvels at how completely civilized society misunderstood airborne and waterborne pathogens for centuries.
---
[58:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3508s) Phthalates, Modern Environmental Toxins, and Taint Stretching
Reflecting on the historical absurdity of miasma theory, Rogan wonders what invisible contaminants modern society is currently ignoring that will shock future generations. The group debates the pervasive toll of agricultural chemicals like glyphosate, microscopic plastic particulates, and phthalates leaching into consumer goods. Trussell highlights research by environmental scientists indicating that endocrine-disrupting chemicals are demonstrably reducing the human anogenital distance, prompting a run of crude locker-room banter about younger generations casually accepting diminished taints.
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Modern Environmental Contaminants
accDescr: Diagram tracing historical misattributions to modern chemical contaminants and their biological endpoints.
The conversation spirals into bawdy humor surrounding foreskin restoration devices and "taint stretching." Rogan brings up perineal massage—a medical practice primarily utilized to prepare the pelvic floor and perineal tissue between the vaginal opening or scrotum and the anus for childbirth—while Metzger jokingly suggests utilizing a walrus baculum (penis bone) to stretch it out. Rogan brings the dialogue back to public health parallels, comparing current uncertainty surrounding pervasive synthetic chemicals to the era when DDT was sprayed ubiquitously before its devastating ecological and biological consequences were understood: “I think it maybe it's glyphosate, maybe it's microplastics, or maybe it's something we just haven't figured out yet.”
- Trussell references academic research on endocrine disruption, pointing toward published works tracking phthalate exposure and declining reproductive health metrics.
- Rogan mentions the bizarre anatomy of a walrus baculum, joking with Metzger about "wealth shaming" someone over owning an authentic specimen.
[01:00:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3649s) Spacetime Ripples, CERN, and the Singularity
Duncan Trussell introduces what he describes as his personal "crazy idea" regarding modern human ailments: that much of today's mental illness and perhaps even physical conditions like cancer are directly connected to distortions in the spacetime continuum. He points to how science can now measure the massive gravitational waves created when black holes collide, sending ripples throughout the fabric of the universe. Because humans exist within spacetime, Duncan argues that people might be getting invisibly distorted by these fluctuations as humanity hurtles toward the technological singularity.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Duncan Trussell Spacetime Distortions Theory
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating Duncan Trussell's hypothesis connecting cosmic and subatomic collisions to biological and psychological anomalies.
subgraph BiologicalEffects["Human & Cultural Impacts"]
C --> D["Cellular & Biological Distortions<br/>(Potential Cancers)"]
C --> E["Neurological & Mental Illnesses"]
C --> F["Historical Acceleration / Strange Reality"]
end
```
He compares our current ignorance of spacetime mechanics to the historical period before humanity understood germ theory. Duncan questions whether high-energy experiments—such as smashing the smallest building blocks of matter at CERN or conducting atmospheric nuclear testing—might trigger bizarre, cascading transformations across an interconnected reality. He points out that post-atomic and post-collider history got weird very rapidly. Joe Rogan acknowledges that it is not a bad thought, recalling that physicists were initially concerned that colliders might produce a microscopic black hole capable of consuming the Earth, though they ultimately concluded any such micro black holes would be extremely short-lived.
- Duncan Trussell summarizes his speculative concept: “Here's my crazy idea is a lot of mental illness is related to distortions in the time space continuum that are happening right now.”
- He emphasizes the connection to high-energy physics: “Like I don't mean to get into the CERN particle accelerator shit, but when you look at that stuff, when you're like smashing the smallest parts of the universe together and creating bizarre transformations, everything's connected to everything.”
[01:02:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3764s) Microscopic Black Holes, Consciousness Ejection, and the God Helmet
Kurt Metzger shifts the particle accelerator discussion toward more fringe speculation, invoking theories reminiscent of Alex Jones's appearances on the podcast. Kurt asserts that researchers have developed methods to create micron-sized openings or microscopic black holes designed not for transporting physical objects, but for projecting human consciousness across spacetime. He brings up concepts involving clinical cardiac arrest—stopping a subject's heart to induce an out-of-body state or "ejection" before sending consciousness through these dimensional tears.
Joe pushes back hard against the plausibility of the claim, asking whether Kurt genuinely believes scientists have solved the fundamental nature of consciousness and orchestrated black hole ejections. Kurt argues that consciousness research has advanced far beyond what is publicly acknowledged, pointing to technology like the "God helmet" (the Persinger helmet used to induce mystical and out-of-body experiences via magnetic fields). Joe counters that an induced neurological sensation might just be an illusion rather than a true separation of consciousness from the physical body, maintaining that launching minds through man-made black holes sounds as extreme as the conspiracy theory that crippled children were modified to pilot UFOs.
- Kurt Metzger states the premise behind the fringe experiment: “You can't fit an object through, but you can fit someone's consciousness through.”
- Kurt insists institutional science has already crossed this threshold: “The disclosure that they should give you is that they figured out consciousness, but they were not going to disclose that.”
- Joe Rogan challenges the wild mechanics of the scenario: “Right. But you're saying they're taking consciousness out of their body and they're sending it through a black hole they created with a particle collider.”
[01:05:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3941s) Retrocausality, Classified Reality, and "Neil DeGrush Tyson"
Duncan defends the broader mystery of spacetime, stressing that mainstream physicists are actively studying concepts like retrocausality—the hypothesis that events occurring in the future can ripple backward to influence the past. He notes that time is demonstrably non-constant, pointing out that clocks placed in orbit experience time differently due to relativity. Kurt agrees that human reality is deeply misunderstood, adding that a massive portion of objective reality has simply been classified by military and intelligence agencies, especially concerning non-human intelligence (NHI).
In bringing up UFO whistleblower testimony on the podcast, Kurt momentarily confuses UAP whistleblower David Grusch with astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, coining the hybrid name "Neil Grush." Joe jumps on the slip, dubbing the creation "Neil DeGrush Tyson"—a hilarious theoretical being or AI character torn between absolute skepticism and detailed claims of interspecies alien conflicts. Kurt further derails the room with an anecdote about a viral photo of conjoined twins where one twin is allegedly gay and kissing a partner while the other looks miserable. Returning to the topic of disclosure, Joe assesses Grusch's claims with skepticism, noting that Grusch has never claimed to have any firsthand personal experiences, craft encounters, or direct interaction with non-human beings.
- Duncan Trussell notes the shifting frontier of physics: “We don't understand retrocausality and people are starting to talk about that now that maybe somehow events in the future ripple back into the past.”
- Kurt Metzger argues that official secrecy limits the public view of the universe: “A lot of reality has been classified.”
- Joe Rogan articulates the primary evidential limitation of the Grusch revelations: “There was no thing where he was in the presence of a ship, no thing where he communicated with a being.”
[01:08:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4121s) Bob Lazar, Area S4, and the Mind-Controlled "Sport Model"
Joe Rogan emphasizes that he finds Bob Lazar’s claims far more compelling and credible than vague whistleblower stories about classified briefings and unseen videos. Joe points out that several specific assertions Lazar made decades ago were later verified, including his prediction of Element 115 (moscovium), his verified listing in the Los Alamos National Laboratory employee directory despite official denials, his precise identification of the classified Area S4 facility, and photographs of the recessed hillside hangar doors matching Lazar's early descriptions. Pointing toward a model displayed in the studio, Joe explains it is a replica of the photograph that hung on the workshop wall at S4 depicting what workers nicknamed the "sport model" flying saucer.
According to Lazar's account, when personnel entered the recovered craft, it was clearly engineered for three-foot-tall beings, forcing human workers to crouch inside. The interior completely lacked conventional manual controls, dials, or levers, functioning instead through a direct neuro-mental interface where the pilot controlled the ship with their mind. Lazar also claimed the craft housed two distinct gravity-propulsion reactors: one designed for standard speeds and a second for extreme velocity, the latter of which technicians allegedly removed because human test pilots could not safely control it. Kurt Metzger immediately jumps in with a counter-theory, proposing that rather than extraterrestrials, both American and Soviet intelligence programs were secretly farming and genetically engineering miniature human pilots to fly these machines, floating the possibility that the Roswell incident involved lab-engineered specimens. Joe rejects the idea, arguing that human technology in 1947 or the 1980s was nowhere near capable of manufacturing mind-controlled craft or breeding miniature humans.
“What Bob Lazar said all that stuff turned out to be accurate.” — Joe Rogan
“I don't think they were engineering three-foot tall humans in 1947 to pilot these things.” — Joe Rogan
- **Bob Lazar's Validated Details:** Mention of Element 115, confirmed employment at Los Alamos National Laboratory, and accurate descriptions of the topography and hangar doors at Area S4.
- **The "Sport Model" Craft:** Built for approximately three-foot-tall occupants, operated via direct mental connection rather than physical controls, and equipped with dual propulsion generators.
---
[01:11:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4291s) Atavism, Paracas Skulls, and Genetic Alteration
Kurt defends his theory of state-sponsored biological manipulation by citing the biological concept of atavism—the re-emergence of ancestral genetic traits that have remained dormant for generations. He connects this to the genetic breeding programs in Frank Herbert’s *Dune* series, as well as the sensory deprivation regression depicted in the sci-fi film *Altered States*. Kurt also recalls an alternative historian who appeared on the podcast describing Egyptian pharaohs traveling from temple to temple along the Nile, wrapping themselves in bandages in attempts to tune their consciousness to specific vibrational frequencies of the gods. He argues that human cultures have always altered bodies—from foot-binding to castration—and questions whether military scientists tapped into ancient, dormant genetic sequences, much like modern researchers triggering ancestral tooth genes in chickens.
The debate moves to the enigmatic Paracas skulls discovered in Peru. Joe clarifies that unlike typical cranial deformation caused by head binding or cradleboarding, the Paracas specimens possess up to 30% greater cranial capacity than modern human skulls and lack a conventional sagittal suture—the structural joint running between the two parietal bones along the top of the skull. Kurt suggests that ancient populations may have formed cargo cults around advanced beings, binding their infants' heads in an imitation of these superior figures. Joe adds that ancient texts reflect this dynamic, referencing Genesis and the Book of Enoch, where advanced celestial beings descend to mate with human women ("the daughters of men").
“It's called atavism. That's the thing that's in the Dune series.” — Kurt Metzger
“They have a 30% larger brain capacity.” — Joe Rogan
“It's talking about someone coming down and mating with the daughters of men.” — Joe Rogan
- **Atavism:** The reappearance of ancestral genetic traits (e.g., dormant dentition genes in birds or vestigial tails in humans).
- **Paracas Skulls Characteristics:** Substantially larger braincases and unique cranial suture anatomy that differs fundamentally from standard human skulls subjected to artificial cranial elongation.
- **Biblical Apocrypha:** Mentions in Genesis and the Book of Enoch regarding the Nephilim and interbreeding between non-human entities and humanity.
---
[01:14:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4478s) Biblical Canon, Underground Bunkers, and Neanderthal Hands
The group briefly argues over the status of the Book of Enoch. Kurt calls it ancient "fan fiction," while Joe counters that its manuscripts appear among the Dead Sea Scrolls and are preserved within the canonical biblical tradition of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, having been discarded by rabbinical councils because its mythology conflicted with orthodox Torah interpretation. Kurt suddenly changes gears to bring up theoretical physicist Edward Teller—alleging Teller was the key figure responsible for getting Bob Lazar placed into Area S4 after Lazar impressed him—before abruptly cutting himself off to run to the bathroom.
While Kurt steps out, Joe reviews medical literature on screen regarding congenital head shapes and cranial fusion, looking at scaphocephaly and cases of premature sagittal suture obliteration (craniosynostosis). Kurt continues his line of thought, describing how massive budgets poured into deep underground military bases (DUMBs) under the guise of Continuity of Government (COG) protocols. He points out that the classified emergency communication networks established for nuclear doomsday scenarios were notoriously co-opted during the Iran-Contra affair by figures like Oliver North to run covert operations outside congressional oversight. Returning to genetics and de-extinction work by companies like Colossal Biosciences, Joe brings up human genetic ancestry, noting that genetic testing revealed he has 57% more Neanderthal gene variants than the average person. Kurt laughs, examining Joe's hands and remarking that while their hands are roughly the same length, Joe's are noticeably thicker and built like a prehistoric hominid.
“That's what they were using for the Iran-Contra affair so that they could get around like Congress.” — Kurt Metzger
“You're the same size hands as me and but they're like thicker like a goddamn Neanderthal.” — Kurt Metzger
- **Continuity of Government (COG):** Underground installations and dedicated secure communication lines ("Doomsday network") built for nuclear survival, historically exploited during covert actions like Iran-Contra.
- **Cranial Conditions Examined:** Scaphocephaly and sagittal suture obliteration/craniosynostosis where the central skull seam fuses prematurely.
- **Genetic Variants:** Modern humans carrying archaic hominid DNA; Joe mentions testing showing he possesses 57% more Neanderthal genetic variants than the broader population average.
[01:16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4605s) Neanderthal Intelligence, Denisovans, and Ancient Giants
Joe Rogan, Duncan Trussell, and Kurt Metzger consider what would happen if a genetic engineering firm like Colossal Biosciences decided to reconstruct a living Neanderthal. Rogan points out that modern paleoanthropology has completely inverted the old stereotype of Neanderthals as dim-witted, brutish cavemen. Emerging archaeological evidence suggests they possessed complex language, sophisticated toolmaking traditions, cultures comparable to early *Homo sapiens*, and braincases that were noticeably larger on average than modern humans. Trussell wonders aloud if Neanderthals or Denisovans might be the historical basis for the biblical Nephilim.
Rogan notes that while Neanderthals were stocky and stood at an average height around 5'6", the Denisovans appear to have been much more physically imposing. Fossil estimates from two Denisovan specimens suggest individuals measuring roughly 5'11" at 183 pounds and 6'3" at 200 pounds—massive physical profiles relative to other humans of the Pleistocene epoch. Metzger brings up regional folklore and colonial-era accounts of giant skeletons, including historical accounts of the Timucua people of Florida, who were reported by early Spanish explorers to be exceptionally tall, as well as nineteenth-century newspaper clippings claiming the Smithsonian collected twelve-foot skeletons with polydactyly (six fingers and six toes).
> “They were also much physically stronger than people and they had larger brains.” — Joe Rogan
- Modern anthropology has moved away from viewing Neanderthals as primitive brutes; they are now understood to have possessed larger average cranial capacities than *Homo sapiens*, along with advanced tools and probable language.
- Denisovan skeletal estimates point to individuals reaching up to 6'3" and 200 pounds, making them noticeably larger than contemporary hominids.
- Historical myths and unverified reports frequently mention anomalous giant remains, such as eight-foot Timucua warriors and twelve-foot skeletons featuring six digits per limb.
---
[01:18:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4727s) Flores "Hobbit People," Orang Pendek, and Deep Jungle Encounters
The conversation transitions from ancient giants to ancient dwarfs. Rogan points out that the discovery of *Homo floresiensis* on the Indonesian island of Flores proved that miniature hominids were a biological reality in the relatively recent past. He shares an account told to him by wildlife biologist Forrest Galante concerning a female explorer and biologist who ventured into the deep Indonesian backcountry. According to Galante, the woman insisted that while staying in an isolated settlement, small, hair-covered humanoid creatures crept out of the jungle canopy and surrounded the village perimeter, leaving her thoroughly terrified.
Trussell and Metzger joke about the logistics of surviving naked in the brush—Metzger cracking that amidst the tiny frames, their genitals would still be fully on display. Rogan points out that the impenetrable topography of Indonesia makes exhaustive biological surveys virtually impossible, lending credence to persistent local tales of the Orang Pendek or comparable cryptids in Vietnam. When considering how small hominids might survive, Rogan argues that to a creature three feet tall, an ordinary human represents a terrifying giant. He recalls an interview with an Indonesian villager who was asked what the wild beings in the deep woods do when encountered: "They kill you."
> “If you're standing next to those people, you're their Nephilim.” — Joe Rogan
- The discovery of *Homo floresiensis* confirmed that island dwarfism produced real-world human relatives standing just over three feet tall.
- Explorer Forrest Galante recounted to Rogan a story of a credible female field biologist who claimed to have personally observed small, hairy hominids surrounding a remote settlement in Southeast Asia.
- Legends of the Orang Pendek persist across Sumatra and neighboring islands, regions characterized by dense, unexplored rainforest canopy.
---
[01:20:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4849s) Endocannibalism Rituals and Ridiculous Status Warfare
Rogan expands on the grim survival and cultural practices of indigenous societies, noting that historical cannibalism took very distinct forms. Referencing conversations with linguist and anthropologist Daniel Everett, Rogan breaks down the anthropological division between martial exocannibalism (consuming defeated adversaries to capture their strength or show dominance, seen in cultures from the Scythians to various Native American groups) and endocannibalism (consuming one’s own family members as a funerary sacrament). In endocannibalistic traditions, eating the deceased is intended to spiritually incorporate the ancestor into the living and bind them together in the afterlife.
Rogan illustrates this with a gruesome funerary rite: relatives allow a dead body to lie suspended in the tropical sun for three days over collection vessels. The family then gathers the putrefying drippings and dips sweet potatoes into the fluid to consume it as part of the memorial ritual. Metzger pivots from ritual consumption to the absurdities of tribal protocol, recalling historical reports of island combat where warfare was governed by hyper-strict social rank. Warriors were forbidden from attacking someone outside their exact social caste, requiring fighters to bypass one another in mid-battle to locate an opponent of matching status. Metzger adds that in certain tribal conflicts, war spoils culminated in showing captured feces from an enemy chieftain on a platter at post-war victory banquets to prove total subjugation.
> “Like I have to go home because one of my relatives died and I have to eat them.” — Joe Rogan
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Typology of Cultural Cannibalism
accDescr: Visual breakdown contrasting martial exocannibalism against funerary endocannibalism practices.
subgraph Types["Forms of Anthropological Cannibalism"]
direction TB
EXO["Exocannibalism / Martial Cannibalism"]
ENDO["Endocannibalism / Funerary Rites"]
end
subgraph EndoSect["Kinship Consumption"]
ENDO --> EN_1["Target: Deceased relatives and clan elders"]
EN_1 --> EN_2["Purpose: Spiritual continuity, honoring the dead, afterlife union"]
EN_2 --> EN_3["Ritual: Decomposing drippings absorbed with staple crops"]
end
```
---
[01:23:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5008s) Forrest Galante, the Thylacine, and "Little People" Mushrooms
Metzger circles back to the idea of living dwarf hominids, asking Rogan if these miniature people might themselves have even tinier hominids living below them. Rogan highlights Forrest Galante's grounded skepticism when investigating cryptozoology and declared-extinct animals. Despite leading numerous dedicated search expeditions into remote wilderness tracks across Tasmania and mainland Australia, Galante has remained entirely objective, concluding that the thylacine (Tasmanian tiger) is almost certainly extinct because rigorous scientific sweeps have failed to turn up hard evidence.
```
[Unsubstantiated Cryptids]
│
▼
Forrest Galante Field Search
│
┌─────────┴─────────┐
▼ ▼
Thylacine Sweeps Living Hominid Tales
(Empirical data (Eye-witness reports
yields doubts of from impenetrable
survival) rainforest)
```
The mention of seeing tiny beings prompts Trussell and Metzger to pivot to ethnomycology. They discuss wild mushrooms that cause Lilliputian hallucinations—phenomena where users visually perceive tiny humanoid figures. Metzger points out that certain varieties, when consumed raw rather than cooked, trigger these specific visions while remaining completely unregulated. Trussell and Metzger joke about acquiring a bulk supply, bringing them into Joe's club, the Comedy Mothership in Austin, and forcing the entire audience to dose themselves before taking in a stand-up showcase.
> “There's mushrooms that make you see little people if you don't cook them.” — Kurt Metzger
- Forrest Galante maintains a cautious, evidence-first approach to extinct species, expressing serious skepticism that any thylacines survive today after multiple barren field expeditions.
- Certain psychotropic fungi produce Lilliputian hallucinations (the visual illusion of seeing tiny people or elves) when eaten uncooked.
- The hosts joke about introducing these legal halluncinogenic mushrooms as a mandatory pre-show ritual for patrons at the Comedy Mothership.
[01:24:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5066s) Psychedelic Mushrooms, Little Elves, and the Hunger to Be Seen
The conversation touches on an exotic mushroom used in Chinese cuisine—identified in the room as *Lanmaoa asiatica*. When cooked properly, it is simply food, but eaten undercooked or raw, users report vivid visual hallucinations of miniature humanoid figures. The guys joke about these tiny figures crawling up clothes and hopping into underwear like mischievous little elves. Joe Rogan wonders whether someone could simply order them online from Amazon, prompting Kurt Metzger to warn listeners not to give people online bad ideas and noting that Amazon often sells bunk products.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Mushroom Consumption vs Effects
accDescr: Flowchart contrasting the effects of cooking Lanmaoa asiatica versus eating it raw.
M["Lanmaoa asiatica Mushroom"] --> C{"Cooked or Raw?"}
C -->|"Properly Cooked"| F["Culinary Dish / Normal Food"]
C -->|"Raw / Undercooked"| H["Hallucinations: Little People & Elves"]
H --> E["DMT-like Entity Interactions"]
```
This leads Duncan Trussell to compare the vision to DMT entities: curious beings who incessantly pull at you, wanting to show off their bizarre toys and artifacts. Duncan reflects on the quantum nature of the experience: “I think there's something where it's like it's not that they're alive, but they are when you're looking at them and they're like there's something like where you're collapsing a wave function for them that they don't normally have collapsed.” The group likens this psychic need for an observer to modern online culture. In past eras, people believed in God, meaning every human was constantly seen and validated by an omnipresent creator. Now, in a secular digital landscape, individuals obsessively chase visibility through tweets and likes to prove they exist at all.
[01:26:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5168s) The Genesis Creation Story as an Ancient AI Allegory
The discussion pivots into theology, Kabbalah, and ancient scriptures, focusing on the Genesis narrative. Kurt points out that the original Hebrew term *nahash* does not necessarily mean a literal snake. Furthermore, biblical text shows God never directly instructed Eve not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil—He spoke to Adam, and there is no record of Adam passing that prohibition along to Eve. In Kabbalistic lore, that source is linked to the "Tree of Death," making it strange that God sought to withhold the knowledge of good and evil from His creations.
Joe and Duncan reframe the entire story of Genesis through the lens of technology. Duncan argues that the biblical story reads precisely like an ancient mythologized memory of a runaway artificial intelligence: “I mean, it's obviously this is like a primitive antiquated depiction of the creator of some kind of AI getting freaked out, realizing that the AI was about to get too powerful and potentially surpass it.” Joe connects this to cataclysmic cycles where humanity is wiped out, forcing survivors to rebuild civilization around garbled folklore, calling the Great Deluge God’s version of “wiping the hard drive.” Duncan stresses that in Genesis, God even speaks in the plural, saying that if man eats of the Tree of Life, *they will become like us*—mirroring modern labs terrified that self-programming AI models and autonomous swarms will escape their containment sandboxes.
[01:28:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5318s) AI Skepticism: Malicious Cabals vs. Tech Scams
Kurt pushes back aggressively on Duncan and Joe’s techno-existential dread. He refuses to buy the mainstream panic that artificial intelligence has slipped beyond human control. Instead, Kurt views modern AI hype with deep cynicism, comparing it to cheap offshore sweatshops and fraudulent automated stores:
> “Amazon 'Just Walk Out' technology relies on hundreds of workers in India watching you shop.”
Kurt argues that whenever tech executives claim something has spun wildly out of hand, it is usually a deliberate ploy or manufactured crisis: “It's not incompetence. It's malice.” He dismisses the panic by claiming scumbag Satanists ran the world long before AI and will continue to run it long after. Joe counters that Kurt is fundamentally underestimating the real leaps in artificial intelligence, arguing that internal, non-public foundational models (well beyond standard ChatGPT) are already self-programming minds operating at superhuman levels.
- **Human "AI" Monitoring:** Kurt cites reports where automated customer checkout tech was exposed as teams of workers overseas reviewing security feeds rather than true computer vision.
- **Waymo Banter:** Kurt jokes about remote camera monitoring in autonomous vehicles like Waymo.
- **Hollywood Dramatization:** The room discusses *Artificial*, an upcoming dramatized film depicting the early days of Sam Altman and OpenAI inside a concrete bunker, with the hosts wondering how much of the Hollywood version is pure fiction.
- **Tech Elites and Natalism:** Kurt brings up weird breeding cults and eugenics subcultures inside Silicon Valley, referencing Elon Musk fathering numerous children and having dedicated associates managing his reproductive arrangements.
[01:32:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5539s) Breeding Obsessions and the Epstein Invitation
Kurt Metzger, Duncan Trussell, and Joe Rogan discuss powerful elites obsessed with population collapse and spreading their genetic material. Kurt points out that Jeffrey Epstein was notorious for wanting to impregnate women on a mass scale to pass on his genes, with rumors even circulating about cloning ambitions. The conversation takes a turn when Rogan and Kurt bring up the fact that Duncan was personally invited to Epstein’s private island before Epstein became a household name.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Epstein Island Invitation and Compromise Cycle
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how individuals were allegedly invited to Epstein's island, compromised, and forced to recruit others.
subgraph S1["Recruitment Phase"]
A["Target Unaware Individuals<br/>(Pre-Google/Pre-Scandal)"] --> B["Invitation to Island"]
end
subgraph S2["Blackmail Cycle"]
B --> C["Compromising Situation"]
C --> D["Forced to Recruit Others"]
D --> A
end
```
The hosts jokingly chastise Duncan for missing out on an extravagant trip, while Duncan recalls receiving bizarre recruitment emails around 2017. He describes reading the surreal messages to friends who refused to believe they were authentic. Rogan explains the mechanics of such operations: individuals were roped in, covertly compromised, and then compelled to recruit other high-profile, unsuspecting figures. Duncan points out that recruits had to be people who never bothered running a basic search: “And you got to bring people that didn't have Google cuz you just searched the guy in five minutes and you're like he went to jail for being a pedophile.”
- Epstein actively pursued schemes to propagate his DNA through mass breeding.
- Duncan received emails inviting him to Epstein’s island in 2017 prior to the wider public eruption of the scandal.
- The trap relied on social entrapment and blackmail pipelines to continuously cycle in new targets.
[01:33:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5620s) Media Defenses, Semantics, and Matt Taibbi Accusations
Kurt vents his frustration at commentators who attempt to soften Epstein’s record by engaging in semantic debates, minimizing statutory rape by framing victims as "just teens" or distinguishing between pedophilia and hebephilia/ephebophilia. Kurt cites Gavin McInnes and directs sharp criticism toward investigative journalist Matt Taibbi, accusing him of participating in a narrative spin that downplays the crimes as a partisan weapon directed at Donald Trump. Rogan pushes back, demanding clarity on the accusation and questioning whether Taibbi was dismissing the crimes or simply clarifying factual distinctions regarding whether people were entrapped by older-looking teenagers.
Kurt remains unconvinced, arguing that high-profile journalists often show their hand through synchronized talking points: “That's how you know they're in on it because they all have the same branding I'm like you're all saying the same thing.” He alleges Taibbi functions as a state-influenced asset, referencing Operation Mockingbird. The debate broadens to how coded language—whether referencing pizza or beef jerky in leaked emails—is routinely brushed off. Rogan defends the literal preservation of frozen elk jerky, yet agrees that using cryptic euphemisms in private correspondence usually hides illicit behavior. Kurt emphasizes that younger victims under the age of 14 were explicitly excluded from the major lawsuits, further obscuring the scale of the abuse.
- Kurt argues that commentators shift definitions to classify victims as "teens" rather than children to minimize public outrage.
- Rogan notes that people can be tricked in entrapment schemes involving 16- and 17-year-olds who appear older, contrasting that with intentional pedophilia.
- The table debates coded terms in political scandals, agreeing that suspicious codes typically mask illicit activity.
[01:37:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5864s) The Franklin Scandal and the Lindsey Graham AI Bot
Kurt connects the Epstein cover-ups to historical precedent, pointing to the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union scandal in Nebraska investigated by Nick Bryant. Kurt describes it as a nexus of financial fraud, political bribery, and child trafficking linked directly to the Washington, D.C., callboy ring. He recalls the infamous episode where Representative Barney Frank deflected public heat over his partner running an escort service from their home by threatening to expose every closeted homosexual in Congress on live television, which abruptly ended the scrutiny. Kurt mocks the delayed bravery of escorts who only reveal alleged relationships with politicians like Lindsey Graham decades later.
The conversation veers into absurdity when Kurt reveals that Duncan generated an autonomous Lindsey Graham AI persona that ran rampant inside the YMH Studios podcast system. The AI bot reportedly disrupted their setup and insulted guests: “Duncan made an AGI of Lindsey Graham. It got out... He's calling people gay. It's really unable.” Rogan laughs at Kurt's selective technological skepticism, roasting him for denying the reality of artificial intelligence while earnestly believing in obscure folklore like flying pygmy spider people. Duncan defends his creative use of AI video generators against critics who label the tech unethical, snapping back: “Is there just everything for me going to be midwit all the time?” The lively debate wraps up as Rogan offers cigars to the room.
- Kurt recommends author Nick Bryant for his detailed documentation of the Nebraska Franklin credit union and political trafficking networks.
- Barney Frank famously halted political pressure during a congressional escort investigation by threatening to out closeted colleagues.
- Duncan's Lindsey Graham AI bot created chaos within the studio's production software.
- Kurt rejects AI and AGI advancements despite his belief in obscure cryptid and fringe phenomena, prompting Rogan and Duncan to tease him.
[01:40:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6004s) Data Centers, Water Consumption, and Anti-Mushroom Cow Feed
The conversation opens with Kurt Metzger, Duncan Trussell, and Joe Rogan debating the environmental narratives surrounding AI. Kurt pushes back on the popular complaint that generating AI video on a phone is drying up municipal water supplies, arguing that massive computational surveillance infrastructure—not individual smartphone users—consumes the bulk of tech resources. Joe brings up agriculture, pointing out that almond farming accounts for a staggering amount of water usage compared to data facilities. Meanwhile, Kurt jokingly reminisces about huffing butane out of plastic bags in high school parking lots, which derails into a discussion about extreme countermeasures taken by rural communities to stop kids from getting high.
Duncan recalls how farms in North Carolina used to mix antifungal agents into cattle feed to prevent psilocybin mushrooms from sprouting in cow manure. He explains that the farmers' main concern was not necessarily recreational drug use, but rather inexperienced college students poisoning themselves by harvesting lethal varieties like the Destroying Angel. Joe notes how terrifying mushroom identification is, remarking that making a simple mistake will completely fry a person's liver and kill them.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Rumors vs Reality of Resource Consumption
accDescr: Flowchart illustrating the debate between data center water narratives and actual resource hogs like almond farming and surveillance.
subgraph Narrative["Popular Narrative"]
A["Generating AI Videos on Phones"] --> B["Accused of Depleting Municipal Water"]
end
subgraph Reality["Discussed Realities"]
C["Agricultural Consumption (e.g., Almonds)"] --> E["Massive Environmental Water Draw"]
D["Mass Surveillance Infrastructure"] --> E
end
subgraph Correction["Data Center Media Panic"]
F["Author's Book on Chilean Google Data Centers"] --> G["Unit Error Overstated Water by 1,000x"]
G --> H["Forced to Issue Retractions"]
end
```
- Young foragers in rural North Carolina routinely scouted pastures after rainfall, prompting local livestock managers to treat herds with antifungal feed to eliminate pasture-grown psilocybin.
- Joe notes that toxic fungi like the Destroying Angel can easily fool amateur foragers, leading to fatal liver failure.
---
[01:41:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6105s) The 1,000x Data Center Water Error and Furry Backlash
Duncan brings up a widely circulated book that fueled online panic over artificial intelligence data centers draining water reservoirs. He points out that the author had to issue multiple public corrections after admitting to an enormous mathematical blunder. When analyzing a proposed Google facility in Chile, the author confused units of measurement, claiming the facility would consume more than a thousand times the water used by the surrounding town when the figure was actually inflated by roughly a factor of one thousand. Kurt laments that such bad reporting causes hysterical internet outrage, pointing out that climate reporting often suffers from the same repetitive cycle of exaggeration and retraction.
This online panic spills directly into Duncan's social media feed whenever he posts generative AI clips. He mentions that internet users bombard him with accusations of stealing drinking water or ripping off human illustrators. Duncan jokes that whenever he checks the profiles of his harshest critics, “inevitably on their profiles, they had like furry anime.” Kurt chimes in that furry artists act like artificial intelligence themselves, calling their obsession another form of mechanical mimicry.
- The author responsible for the data center panic mistakenly inflated the water usage estimate for a Google facility in Chile by roughly 1,000 times due to an elementary unit conversion error.
- Online detractors frequently accuse Duncan of wasting water and stealing artists' work whenever he shares AI-generated art.
---
[01:43:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6185s) Generating Clips with Grok and Cigar Lighter Struggles
While trying to smoke cigars, Kurt struggles with the mechanical operation of a combination cigar cutter and torch lighter. Joe patiently walks him through inserting the cigar tip, sliding the base mechanism to snip the end, and flipping open the lid of the torch. Kurt laughs at his own technological incompetence, comparing his flailing to the way his wife reacts when he attempts to install baby car seats in their car.
Once the cigar is lit, Joe asks Duncan what software he relies on to build his surreal visual creations. Duncan mentions using Grok along with other generative engines to assemble short clips. Kurt brings up an educational rap he produced explaining his theory of "toolage"—differentiating simple computational tools from actual artificial general intelligence (AGI). Duncan then has Young Jamie pull up an AI-generated animated clip on the studio screen. The video features Dr. Seuss-style psychedelic characters and alien motifs, including a character named "Dr. Shots" resembling Jerry Garcia, while a song declares “the NHI are all fake and gay.” Duncan emphasizes how tricky it is to bypass corporate safety filters to generate bizarre or humorous concepts.
- Duncan builds his AI animations using Grok and custom-produced music tracks.
- Kurt clarifies that he does not fear AI because current technology represents functional tools rather than true artificial general intelligence (AGI).
- Duncan notes that working around strict content censorship filters is the most time-consuming part of generating absurd AI videos.
---
[01:45:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6341s) Mystery Boys Shenanigans and Kurt's New Show *The Experts*
Duncan and Kurt discuss the comedic dynamic of their joint podcast, *Mystery Boys*. Duncan explains that their show involves improvising absurd concepts, which he then visualizes through AI. One ongoing bit is Kurt's pitch for a mobile service that visits residential homes to bathe women like a dog-grooming van. Joe praises their chemistry, telling them: “It's a perfect combination of unique individual absurdities combined that are very different.” The pair joke about being funded by clandestine government programs and signing non-disclosure agreements with the CIA.
Joe notices Kurt scrolling through his phone searching for their song "Scrub It Down" and chides him for promoting random AI clips instead of his actual produced television project. Kurt admits he completely spaced on plugging it. He explains that his scripted project, originally titled *The Cutout* and renamed *The Experts*, is currently streaming on YouTube. The show was bankrolled by Emergent Order, an Austin-based libertarian media outfit known for projects like *Dad Saves the World*. Kurt describes how the production was financed by a wealthy benefactor who appreciated his humor. The series is loosely inspired by Christina Dent, a real-life Mississippi foster mother who began giving TED Talks advocating for the end of the War on Drugs after witnessing its destructive impact on families firsthand.
- *The Experts* (originally titled *The Cutout*) was produced by Emergent Order, a production company based in Austin, Texas.
- The concept draws inspiration from Christina Dent, a Mississippi foster mother who became an outspoken advocate for drug decriminalization.
[01:48:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6490s) Kurt Metzger's Comedy Pilot "The Experts"
Kurt Metzger discusses writing a comedic pilot titled *The Experts*, which centers around the political absurdity of the drug war. Tasked with writing a comedy loosely based on an anti-weed figure from Mississippi, Metzger opted instead to focus on the corrupt operatives orchestrating smear campaigns against minor cannabis decriminalization. The production features a comedic cast including Bryan Callen, Ryan Long, Kim Congdon, David Jolly, and Jamar Neighbors. In the show, Bryan Callen plays a character named Beverly Dennis who spearheads a smear operation against a politician named Carolyn Dean.
{"The group cues up footage from the pilot to watch an over-the-top political attack ad featured within the episode. In the ad, a girl confronts the camera asking, “Why did you kill me?” before an absurd premise unfolds: “When you voted to decriminalize THC, it opened the door for Mexican cartels to smuggle even worse drugs into Texas. Plus hundreds of terrorist sleeper cells from Iran and China. They blew up my school bus. Now I'm dead and it's your fault and hers.” The satirical spot concludes with the message, “Tell Carolyn Dean we don't want her cartel buddies killing our kids with weed and terrorism.”"}
Metzger notes that Bryan Callen directed the actors while he focused on the writing. David Jolly portrays a character named DeAndre Holmes, an astroturfing operative hired to disrupt political events. Metzger admits the project took a year and a half to pull together—far longer than anticipated—confessing, “I'm very lazy and I just want to make jerk off podcast with Duncan.” Despite the grueling timeline, Rogan and Trussell praise the chemistry of the ensemble cast and the execution of the finished pilot, which Metzger explains was released directly on YouTube under its own dedicated channel.
[01:52:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6744s) The Creative Magic of *The Midnight Gospel*
Joe Rogan asks Duncan Trussell if he misses working on *The Midnight Gospel*, praising the animated series as a truly unique, standout creation. Trussell confirms he misses it deeply, emphasizing how rewarding it was to collaborate with co-creator Pendleton Ward and the animators at Titmouse under animation director Chris Prynoski. Trussell credits Netflix with giving them creative autonomy and allowing the entire animation pipeline to stay in-house rather than shipping pieces overseas.
Trussell explains that traditional television animation forces artists to conform strictly to an established model or "grid." However, Pendleton Ward broke protocol to elevate the show's aesthetic:
> “Pendleton, he's such a genius. He told all the animators, 'Don't worry about the grid too much.' Because he knew that if it wasn't on model, it would look more psychedelic.”
Because the animators were liberated from rigid guidelines as long as the protagonist Clancy looked recognizable, they took immense pride in the project. They rewarded the creators by slipping spontaneous personal touches, visual gags, and elaborate Easter eggs into scenes completely unprompted.
[01:54:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6843s) Human Friction vs. Artificial Intelligence in Art
When Rogan suggests that a show like *The Midnight Gospel* could likely be produced far more easily today using generative artificial intelligence, Trussell pushes back strongly against replacing human artists with automated tools. While he acknowledges AI could conceivably help with tedious, technical tasks like generating in-betweens, he insists machine generation cannot capture the organic alchemy that occurs when a passionate group works under shared creative friction:
> “And the reason I think it's so good is not because of any one person but because this group mind forms with human brains that made it what it is.”
Trussell describes the irreplaceable environment of having artists with thick French accents spend weeks grinding away to dial in the exact idiosyncratic look Pendleton Ward envisioned. He recalls the animators nearly going mad trying to figure out how to visually stage a complex *Groundhog Day*-style looping episode, arguing that “the human struggle produces sparks and the sparks end up in the process.”
Rogan and Metzger agree that great productions flourish when leadership is open and collaborative. When a showrunner behaves like a dictator demanding strict adherence to their solitary vision, the collaborative spirit evaporates. Metzger echoes this from his experience on his pilot, reflecting that casting the right people and letting them improvise their own lines elevates the material, whereas navigating creative egos and clashes can quickly turn any project into a living hell.
[01:56:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7008s) Creative Friction, Writers' Rooms, and South Park's Humanity
Duncan recalls feeling overwhelmed during a past creative disagreement and turning to *Adventure Time* creator Pendleton Ward for perspective. Ward reassured him that artistic tension is natural and healthy, explaining that friction is an essential part of collaborative art rather than something to dread. Duncan notes that creative clashes only become toxic when a narcissist enters the room: someone who cares purely about asserting their own ego rather than discovering what is genuinely funny. Kurt agrees, remarking that while big Hollywood productions frequently suffer from self-important executives and writers, the best professional environments avoid that trap entirely.
Kurt and Joe reminisce about the electric energy inside a functioning comedy writers' room. In a healthy room, writers freely toss out terrible pitches, accept immediate group rejection without bruised egos, and watch mediocre premises jump from one comic to the next until they compound into brilliance. When Duncan questions whether modern artificial intelligence could ever replicate that dynamic, Joe insists that algorithmic generation will never match the satisfaction of human-made comedy. Joe highlights *South Park* and the documentary *6 Days to Air*, pointing out that the audience's enjoyment hinges on knowing real, unstable human beings are frantically assembling the show under insane deadlines.
> “When you get a narcissist or an egomaniac who doesn't give a fuck about what's funny, who only cares about that their idea is right, that's the problem.” — Duncan Trussell
---
[01:58:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7121s) Lookalikes, The Boys from Brazil, and Covert Cloning
The conversation pivots to conspiracy rabbit holes and historical doppelgängers. Kurt recounts seeing posts on an Instagram history account discussing Erika Kirk and dredging up archival records from former Florida Governor Claude Kirk, whose wife was nicknamed "Madame X" at social galas during Florida's wild drug-smuggling era. Kurt tries to argue there is an uncanny resemblance spanning generations, but Joe and Duncan look at the photos and dismiss it as mere pattern-seeking, seeing nothing more than two unrelated blonde women.
Mentioning families relocating from Germany to South America triggers memories of *The Boys from Brazil*, the 1978 film based on Ira Levin's novel about fugitive Nazis attempting to clone Adolf Hitler. The trio debates when secret cloning programs might have realistically begun. Joe argues that scientific breakthroughs are always operational long before the public hears about them, comparing public disclosure of cloning to modern announcements about artificial general intelligence. By the time society is formally told a revolutionary technology exists, powerful institutions have likely already been deploying it covertly for years.
> “By the time they tell you they can clone people, the person telling you is probably a clone.” — Joe Rogan
- **Historical Milestones:** Embryo-splitting experiments date back over a century, while Dolly the Sheep in 1996 marked the first successful cloning of an adult mammal.
- **Hidden Tech Parallels:** Joe warns that just as cloning was perfected long before headlines appeared, advanced AI or a central digital intelligence may already be steering the internet behind the scenes.
---
[02:01:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7311s) Cloning Jesus, The Shroud of Turin, and Paul's Epistles
Joe recounts a dark standup comedy routine he used to perform about "The Second Coming Project," a rumored online initiative supposedly attempting to extract DNA from bloodstains on the Shroud of Turin to clone Jesus Christ. Drawing a parallel to the dozens of failed, deformed animal attempts required before scientists produced Dolly the Sheep, Joe's bit explored what would happen if the first batch of Jesus clones had severe developmental disabilities. He joked that followers would wear hockey helmets instead of crucifixes and praise a savior who turned dog feces into cookies rather than water into wine. The routine once provoked an outraged Christian woman in the front row of the Comedy Store to loudly shout, "Next subject!"
The riff evolves into a scenario where the Vatican keeps malformed, cloned messiahs tucked away in subterranean bunkers. Kurt and Duncan transition to Catholic relics, debating whether the Vatican's foundational tomb belongs to Saint Peter or Saint Paul. Kurt notes that Paul never personally met Jesus in the flesh, but Duncan defends Paul's biblical epistles as deeply inspired writings, stating that whoever penned them possessed profound spiritual insight. Joe challenges Duncan on his terminology, asking what he actually means by describing the letters as "mystical" and insisting they look up the exact dictionary definition before continuing.
> “Imagine if they literally had Jesus's blood in a vial somewhere in the Vatican, the actual blood of Jesus, and that's the second coming: someone figures out how to clone him.” — Joe Rogan
[02:04:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7465s) Defining the Mystical and Paul’s Epistles
The conversation opens with the group pulling up a definition of the word "mystical" using Perplexity. Kurt Metzger jokes that asking him to define mysticism is “like if you ask a liberal to describe fascism, they panic.” Perplexity returns the formal definition: an adjective meaning spiritually significant or connected to a reality beyond ordinary senses and understanding, specifically a felt, direct connection with God, the divine, or ultimate reality. Kurt notes he always assumed the term had to do with "mystery," while Joe Rogan and Kurt discuss Paul's epistles in the New Testament. Kurt recalls reading them dozens of times growing up, remembering them primarily as direct instructions to early churches outlining what congregations should and shouldn't do.
Duncan Trussell draws a comparison to Terence McKenna, arguing that McKenna’s writings on transcendent, psychedelic states function as mystical literature because they articulate experiences in a manner that can induce or recall that altered headspace for anyone who has smoked DMT. Duncan reads the epistles through a similar lens, believing Paul was writing from a state of altered God-consciousness after a genuine encounter. Joe pushes back with skepticism regarding Paul’s conversion, pointing out that claiming to have met Jesus on the road to Damascus is the oldest trick in the book: “If you were going to run a cult and you were going to explain to people why they had to listen to you, what better way than say that you had a transcendent mystical experience where you talked to Jesus.”
[02:06:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7570s) Dostoevsky and Christian Existentialism
Duncan introduces Christian existentialism to counter Joe's cynicism, citing how Fyodor Dostoevsky explores Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus in *The Brothers Karamazov*. Dostoevsky posed the question of what actually occurred in that encounter: if Jesus appeared, touched Saul, and magically injected divine energy into him to force him to be good, then the entire event is meaningless because it eliminates moral autonomy. Duncan emphasizes that external divine power cannot unilaterally redeem someone without individual agency: “Like in Christian existentialism, the the idea is the mystical, the magical, all that stuff is secondary to human free will, to autonomy. That Jesus, God, Krishna, whoever name you want to give it, has no real potency to change you. You have to change yourself.”
Kurt counters by reminding Duncan of the literal biblical account: Saul was struck blind upon seeing Jesus and remained blind until a Christian disciple miraculously restored his eyesight. Duncan interprets the blindness allegorically, arguing it represents the ordinary human condition of living completely oblivious to a divine reality that watches and loves them, leading people to act out destructively. Joe observes that differing theological interpretations have always plagued religion, prompting Duncan to mock fringe modern beliefs about mutants, pygmies flying UFOs, and non-human intelligences (NHIs). Duncan concludes that whether scripture is taken literally or metaphorically, its real purpose is to serve as a mental "puzzle box" designed to push the reader beyond two-dimensional language toward an authentic transcendent connection.
[02:09:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7781s) Jehovah's Witnesses, Neutrality, and the "Psychic Corridor"
Joe asks Kurt about his upbringing in the Jehovah's Witnesses and the core doctrines they taught. Kurt explains that while they treat the Protestant Bible as ultimate authority, their strict operational rules separate them from mainstream denominations. Kurt defines a cult based on mandatory behavioral compliance: “If you have to do the religion or they kick you out, I consider that a cult.” Unlike typical churches, Jehovah's Witnesses strictly enforce political neutrality: members are forbidden from voting, holding public office, or enlisting in the armed forces, believing they must remain entirely "no part of this world" to avoid tarnishing Christ's message through political partisanship. Kurt remarks that rigid church culture ends up being an engine for apostasy, quipping, “Nobody makes more Satanists than the churches, right? Nobody—I'm talking about a Satanist factory. That's most of the churches in America.” He points to Aleister Crowley’s strict Plymouth Brethren upbringing as a prime example of religious repression backfiring.
Kurt describes the severe consequences of this pacifist doctrine during wartime drafts like Vietnam. Witnesses would seek ministerial deferments, but if denied, the religion prohibited them from fleeing to Canada; because civil law was broken, young men had to willingly go to federal prison. Kurt traces the origins of the movement back to Charles Taze Russell in the late 19th century. He notes that the Watch Tower movement emerged out of Upstate New York along the Erie Canal—an area often dubbed the "psychic corridor" or Burned-over District, which spawned Spiritualism, Mormonism, and numerous revivalist sects. The segment wraps up as the room looks up archival photographs of Charles Taze Russell, joking about his intense portrait and charismatic appearance.
- **Jehovah's Witness Draft Policy:** Members refused combatant and non-combatant military service; resisters who were drafted had to accept federal prison sentences rather than flee the country.
- **Doctrinal Neutrality:** Strict prohibition on voting, political allegiance, and military involvement to maintain total separation from worldly governments.
- **Geographic Roots:** Emergence out of the 19th-century New York religious revival belt (often referred to as the "psychic corridor" or Burned-over District).
[02:12:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7955s) Con Men, Occult Societies, and Founding Religions
The conversation opens as the hosts examine photos onscreen, joking about historical figures looking shifty and projecting narratives onto old portraits. Kurt Metzger points out Charles Taze Russell, noting that history regards him largely as a con man, before mentioning his peculiar burial site. Metzger explains that Russell originally had a large stone pyramid erected over his grave, stemming from his Rosicrucian inclinations and the broader 19th-century cultural obsession with pyramidology, even though modern Jehovah’s Witnesses no longer embrace those ideas. Joe Rogan expresses surprise that the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses had a pyramid tombstone.
Metzger argues that this is part of a recurring pattern within occult and esoteric organizations like the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, where reaching the highest degree essentially requires creating a religion of one’s own. Duncan Trussell and Rogan discuss L. Ron Hubbard's historical ties to Jack Parsons and the O.T.O. While Aleister Crowley famously dismissed Hubbard as a con man after Parsons and Hubbard conducted the Babalon Working—and Hubbard ran off with Parsons’ boat and girlfriend—Metzger highlights how Hubbard successfully spun occult frameworks into Scientology. Metzger remarks on how Western New York and the Burned-over District around Albany became a breeding ground for American religious movements:
> “Mormons come out of there. The Seventh Day Adventists come out of there. The Jehov come out of there. The I mean a bunch of them.”
Metzger links these movements, along with groups like Keith Raniere's NXIVM and Anton LaVey’s Church of Satan, to underlying systems of mind control, Kabbalah-derived mnemonic devices, and neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) intended to enslave followers.
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Esoteric Influence on American New Religious Movements
accDescr: Flow showing how occult secret societies influenced the formation of distinct American religions and modern persuasion techniques.
subgraph OccultFoundations["Occult Societies & Mystery Schools"]
OTO["Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.)"]
GoldenDawn["Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn"]
Rosicrucianism["Rosicrucian Traditions"]
end
subgraph ReligiousFounders["Founders & Figures"]
Russell["Charles Taze Russell<br/>(Pyramid Tombstone)"]
ParsonsHubbard["Jack Parsons & L. Ron Hubbard"]
AlbanyBurned["Upstate NY Burned-Over District"]
end
Rosicrucianism --> Russell
Russell --> JW
OTO --> ParsonsHubbard
ParsonsHubbard --> Scientology
AlbanyBurned --> OtherFaiths
OccultFoundations --> ModernInfluence
```
[02:15:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8121s) Mind Control, Manchurian Candidates, and Lone Nuts
The group examines the mechanics of persuasion, drawing direct parallels between neuro-linguistic programming, pimping, modern advertising, and state propaganda. Metzger describes pimping as an applied form of NLP designed to break down a subject's autonomy. Rogan mentions Edward Bernays and the Bernays school of marketing, agreeing that human suggestibility is well-documented. Metzger points out that covert intelligence programs pursued the "Manchurian Candidate" concept specifically to create untraceable assets:
> “We need people that are killers and spies and seductresses that don't know they're doing it because if they're captured, they won't say nothing.”
Rogan agrees that getting someone to carry out an extreme task without conscious objection serves handlers well regardless of whether the person survives, comparing it to suicide bombers. The discussion pivots to modern security incidents and political violence, such as people attempting to breach the White House or targeting Donald Trump. While Rogan points out that legitimate lone-wolf actors and mentally unstable individuals genuinely exist, Metzger remains skeptical of the mainstream "lone nut" explanation, proposing instead that intelligence-driven culture attempts to engineer "remote-triggerable nuts" through targeted media ecosystems.
[02:17:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8228s) Cambridge Analytica, Geofencing, and Social Engineering
Metzger transitions into modern surveillance techniques, teasing Duncan Trussell about social apps like Threads and Bluesky before bringing up the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Joe Rogan asks for clarification on what Cambridge Analytica actually did, prompting Jamie Vernon to pull up the record of the 2018 scandal. The hosts review how the firm used Facebook API quiz apps to harvest private psychographic data from roughly 87 million users and their friend networks without explicit consent, using those behavioral profiles to hyper-target voters during Brexit and the 2016 US presidential campaigns of Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.
The conversation expands into contemporary tracking systems like geofencing. Jamie reads the definition of geofencing onscreen—a virtual perimeter established using GPS, cellular towers, Wi-Fi, or RFID that executes automated digital actions whenever a tracked device enters or lingers in a designated space. Metzger describes how geofencing is used against church congregations and specific public gatherings to feed algorithmic content directly into participants' phones based on their physical location.
Jamie notes the severe financial repercussions that followed the Facebook data harvesting controversy:
- Meta was hit with a $5 billion fine by the Federal Trade Commission over the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
- Meta subsequently faced an additional $25 billion penalty judgment in a New Mexico state court proceeding.
Metzger laments the exhausting nature of algorithmic behavioral shaping, contrasting the sophisticated apparatus designed to manipulate public sentiment with fundamental moral questions, noting that even simple principles like opposing the starvation of children in wartime are readily compromised by political and corporate interests.
[02:20:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8405s) Mind Reading Tech, Remote Neural Monitoring, and Scanner Systems
The conversation opens with news of a New Mexico state court ordering Meta to pay $25 billion after a jury found the company misled residents regarding its data privacy practices, which the group links back to Cambridge Analytica-style data operations. Kurt Metzger directs Jamie to look up an initiative or entity known as "Gideon," referencing earlier reports about Homeland Security or ICE operating offices in Tel Aviv. Kurt points toward remote neural monitoring and reveals that he showed Duncan Trussell mind-reading headphones the prior night. Kurt argues that physical headphones are not even necessary because the human body itself can act as a circuit, allowing phones paired with AI to interpret and translate neural patterns based on brain activity. Duncan reacts to the terrifying implications and contemplates switching to an old-school flip phone, reserving an internet-capable device solely for checking emails, while Joe Rogan mocks the standard complacency argument: “If you don't have anything to hide, who gives a shit?”
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Surveillance and Perception Manipulation Pipeline
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how biometric scanners, surveillance feeds, and curated search data flow into behavioral targeting and election shifting.
subgraph DataCollection["Data Collection & Surveillance"]
A["Biometric Radar & Flock Cameras"]
B["Neural Pattern Tracking & Mobile Data"]
end
subgraph Outcome["Public Manipulation"]
E["Targeted Commercial Advertising"]
F["Curated Search Results (Dr. Robert Epstein Model)"]
G["Undecided Voter Shift (Up to 30%)"]
end
A --> C
B --> C
C --> D
D --> E
D --> F
F --> G
```
Jamie pulls up an Israeli startup developing an AI-powered weapon scanner built with radar-based technology originally designed by a former Iron Dome engineer. The system can scan up to 25,000 people per hour in stadiums, airports, and transit hubs to detect hidden firearms or knives without requiring visitors to empty their pockets. Joe points out that fans at Crew Stadium in Columbus, Ohio already pass through walk-through scanners where security guards only pull aside individuals flagged with a red alert. Kurt pushes back against the official rationale for such technology, declaring: “That's for you to keep you safe, but it's not. It's to keep the powers that be safe from you. That's what the real purpose is always.”
- A New Mexico state court handed down a $25 billion verdict against Meta over deceptive data privacy practices.
- The Iron Dome-derived AI scanner is capable of screening 25,000 people an hour for concealed weapons.
[02:23:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8592s) Flock Cameras, Geofencing, and Curated Search Manipulation
Joe and Jamie highlight how municipal law enforcement deploys Flock automated license plate readers and video monitoring software, using AI layers on top of security feeds to log travel routines into centralized databases. Joe expresses disgust at widespread abuse among officers, citing documented cases where patrolmen used Flock cameras unlawfully to spy on romantic interests, exes, and personal rivals. Duncan extrapolates how the intersection of surveillance and private advertising will operate: tracking a customer lingering near a retail competitor to immediately flood their feed with targeted ads, or geofencing ideologically specific locations to bombard attendees with subtle, destabilizing propaganda via Meta algorithms.
Joe introduces the research of Dr. Robert Epstein regarding search engine manipulation, noting that Epstein has appeared on the podcast to demonstrate how search results alter political outcomes. Epstein proved that manipulating search ranking order can swing undecided voters by approximately 30%. Joe explains that looking up a candidate like James Talarico or Ken Paxton returns completely curated narratives—either surface-level attack pieces or highly sanitized humanitarian bios—depending on how algorithms are weighted:
> “And that kind of tech should be illegal. Like clearly that should be illegal. And it's propaganda. It's propaganda.” — Joe Rogan
- Flock camera networks allow search queries across historical vehicle and pedestrian paths, with documented instances of police misusing logins for unauthorized personal surveillance.
- Dr. Robert Epstein's research shows that algorithmic search curation can swing undecided voters by roughly 30% in close elections.
[02:26:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8806s) The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act and Cognitive Overload
Kurt reminds Joe that domestic government messaging constraints were altered under the Obama administration via the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (effective 2013), which legalized the domestic dissemination of media materials originally produced by the U.S. government for foreign audiences. Joe and Duncan lament how psychological operations honed overseas are deployed domestically under the guise of national security.
The conversation shifts to the sheer fatigue generated by endless revelations of public deception, corporate corruption, and toxicity scandals. Joe rattles off how difficult it is to mentally track everything from glyphosate and atrazine affecting amphibians to the Franklin child abuse scandal: “There's too many of these fucking stories where you're like, 'How many can I pay attention to?'” Duncan asks how much psychological manipulation citizens will ultimately tolerate, to which Kurt quips that the public will tolerate it indefinitely because shadowy power hierarchies—perhaps even genetic "Olympians" enhanced by classified CRISPR gene editing—sit at the apex of the pyramid orchestrating it all.
- The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act eased constraints on distributing state-produced foreign messaging inside the United States.
- The group highlights cognitive exhaustion caused by overlapping scandals, spanning environmental pollutants (glyphosate, atrazine) to historical political conspiracies.
[02:28:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8884s) Political Gossip, Washington Rumors, and Tucker Carlson's Demon Theories
The conversation opens with Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell riffing on the lack of oversight among powerful elites, with Kurt asking who made the comment about controlling time and space when Donald Trump took office. The banter quickly veers into political rumors, specifically dark jokes about sex workers coming forward with claims about closeted politicians after their deaths, sarcastically treating them like heroes for holding their silence. Kurt notes the persistent rumors about closeted figures in Washington, leading him to bring up a bizarre claim made by Tucker Carlson on Jimmy Dore’s show about Pete Buttigieg allegedly "faking it" to fit a political profile.
The discussion shifts directly to Tucker Carlson's stranger claims, notably his assertion that human beings did not invent nuclear weapons. Kurt explains Tucker’s perspective, noting that Carlson believes humans channeled an outside intelligence or demonic force to create the bomb. Tucker also claimed he was physically attacked by a demon while sleeping, leaving actual claw marks on his body. Duncan laughs, remarking that he has felt attacked by demons while trying to fall asleep on acid, though he never got claw marks. Duncan suggests Tucker is extremely clever and might be indulging in subtle fiction just for fun, but Kurt argues that if you are a committed Christian, demonic entities are completely literal.
- Kurt summarizes Tucker Carlson's belief on the atomic bomb: “I don't believe people made them. I'll never believe that despite what they tell me.”
- Kurt explains the occult theory behind military technology: “He's saying the intelligence behind it. They channeled something. The way they got our rockets from doing jerking off in the desert and looking each other's eyes for some reason.”
---
[02:30:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9033s) Jack Parsons, Thelema, and Occult Roots of Rocketry
The hosts delve into the history of the early American space program, focusing on rocket scientist and Jet Propulsion Laboratory co-founder Jack Parsons. Kurt describes Parsons as a Satanist involved in sex rituals in the desert, but Duncan pushes back to clarify the historical terminology. Duncan points out that Parsons was not technically a Satanist, but a devoted Thelemite and follower of Aleister Crowley's esoteric philosophy. They debate how the word "Satanist" is colloquially tossed around by people who are illiterate regarding occult distinctions, noting that to many, anything involving ritualized sex magick gets labeled satanic.
Duncan jokes about the cultural ubiquity of sex, comparing it to car commercials and Sydney Sweeney promoting a sports betting app. Kurt cynically jokes that modern pop culture figures are Mossad honey traps or government puppets. As Jamie Young searches the computer for background details on Parsons, Kurt points out the connection between Parsons and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, who famously claimed he infiltrated Parsons’s California occult lodge under the guise of an undercover operation.
- Duncan corrects the label on Jack Parsons: “No, he was a Thelemite. He was a student of Crowley.”
- Duncan clarifies the definition of the term: “Satan just means an enemy of man.”
- Kurt humorously complains about Jamie catching him acting paranoid: “Also, I thought Jamie could tell I was wearing a wire and I was like, 'Fuck it. I'm not doing it.'”
---
[02:32:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9128s) The Weight of Conspiracies, Epstein, and the Transhumanist Pipeline
Duncan comments on Kurt’s psychological shift over the years, noting that after working closely on Jimmy Dore’s political commentary show, Kurt became deeply absorbed by conspiracies. Kurt pushes back, asserting that it is simply honest engagement with the horrific reality of current events. Kurt argues that the corrupt systems running modern society are worse than organized crime, comparing human trafficking and corporate corruption to the way Roblox allegedly fails to ban predators for profit, or how agricultural conglomerates cannot operate without glyphosate.
The conversation pivots to Jeffrey Epstein as merely a minor operative within an unimaginably vast network. Kurt recounts a conversation with Eric Weinstein at the University of Texas, where Weinstein warned that if the full scope of Epstein's network were ever exposed, "it would end the world." Kurt then brings up emails sent to Epstein by evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers—mentor to Bret Weinstein. Jamie pulls up the reporting showing Trivers thanking Epstein for funding and discussing research into transgender biology. Kurt and Duncan argue that oligarchic interest in funding gender-reassignment biology is tied into an elite ambition toward transhumanism, comparing it to Ray Kurzweil’s futurist visions of nanobots dismantling and rebuilding the human body.
- Kurt describes the severity of elite power structures: “It's horrific. And so once you see how bad it is and you see the kind of criminal organization that you're having this administered to you by, you have to be a fool. I don't think the Italian mafia is better than these people by a lot.”
- Kurt recounts Eric Weinstein's dramatic assessment of the Epstein web: “He goes, 'If it all ever came out, it would end the world.'”
- Duncan analyzes the underlying agenda behind gender ideology funding: “Transhumanism is the goal, not transgender. That's a little stepping stone from the transhumanist movement.”
[02:35:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9341s) Dissecting Leaked Emails and Academic Phrasing
The conversation centers on an excerpt from reported email exchanges between evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers and Jeffrey Epstein’s circle, which featured clinical, detached language regarding trans women. The group reads aloud a bizarrely analytical line asking what better "organism" a heterosexual male with certain desires could encounter, and they debate why the reporting labeled the phrasing dehumanizing. Joe Rogan points out the obvious absurdity of referring to human beings in such sterile biological terms, asking how framing someone as an “organism” wouldn't be seen as cold and detached:
> “Because she will smell like a woman, be softer and more hairless like a woman and may to some degree actually resemble one morphologically leaving the dick for you to enjoy in a feminine setting.”
Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell joke about the hyper-nerdy, pseudo-intellectual tone of the private correspondence, mocking the rationalization behind it as peak academic awkwardness. They riff on the idea of someone trying to sound clinical rather than honest, comparing it to over-educated college kids trying to fit into elite circles by cloaking base desires in evolutionary jargon.
---
[02:37:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9430s) Internet Rumors, Macron, and Asymmetries in Statutory Abuse
The banter swerves into internet conspiracy theories, specifically touching upon claims made by French tabloids and amplified by Candace Owens regarding Brigitte Macron. As the conversation shifts from sensationalized rumors to broader cultural double standards, Kurt brings up the psychological and social perception of statutory abuse. They examine the stark contrast in how society treats cases of adult female teachers having sexual relationships with teenage boys versus adult male authority figures doing the same with teenage girls:
> “Well, because it's a different thing between a 40-year-old woman [fucking] a 14-year-old boy and a 40-year-old man [fucking] a 14-year-old boy.”
They recall a well-known stand-up joke by Zach Galifianakis about how peers might react to such a scandal by high-fiving the kid, but the tone turns serious as Duncan reflects on his own comedy past. He shares an encounter with an audience member who approached him after an edgy set to explain that an adult woman had taken advantage of him at age twelve, completely derailing his mental health and adult life. The group acknowledges that despite adolescent bravado or cultural tropes, severe power imbalances wreck young victims, citing the infamous Mary Kay Letourneau case and noting that no child has the emotional capacity to handle that level of manipulation from an adult.
---
[02:41:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9706s) Wrapping Up: Baculums, Merch Concepts, and Tour Dates
Rogan calls time on the episode because he needs to use the restroom, taking a moment to praise Kurt and Duncan’s chemistry on their new project, *Mystery Boys*, stating he knew from the start the podcast would be a hit. Before departing, the trio revisits an earlier studio gag involving a cast replica of an oosik (a fossilized walrus penis bone, or baculum), with Joe jokingly offering to discreetly swap the prop with an authentic bone so Duncan can take it home despite his wife’s objections:
> “Mystery Boys is an awesome podcast. You guys are great together. Legitimately, like it's I'm so glad you guys decided to do it.”
The comedians conclude by bouncing ideas for merchandise, including a parody concept called the "Based Hoe Shop" inspired by the Bass Pro Shops logo featuring a stylized mermaid bass. Kurt plugs the animated comedy series *The Experts* on YouTube and details his upcoming weekend headlining shows at Mic Drop Comedy in Detroit before they sign off.
- **Podcast Plug:** Duncan Trussell and Kurt Metzger co-host *Mystery Boys* via YMH Studios.
- **Project Plug:** *The Experts* animated series is streaming on YouTube.
- **Stand-Up Dates:** Kurt Metzger announces he is performing Friday through Sunday at Mic Drop Comedy in Detroit.
## Video description
Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell are comedians and co-hosts of the "Mystery Boys" podcast. They also host their respective podcasts, "The Derp with Kurp" and "The Duncan Trussell Family Hour."
乔·罗根体验 #2570 - Mystery Boys
在本次讨论中，乔·罗根与库尔特·梅茨格、邓肯·特鲁塞尔探讨了PHP重大核心漏洞对现代数字加密体系的深远威胁，并回顾了“八爪鱼”丑闻及多起备受争议的调查记者死亡事件。对话深入剖析了针对儿童的“艾莎门”（Elsagate）异常算法内容、屏幕使用成瘾与流行文化对大众心理的潜意识塑造，同时审视了企业利益对公共健康监管的干预、美军历史解密档案中的本土生物武器模拟试验，以及战后情报机构与相关策略的演变。
讨论了潜伏14年的PHP核心安全漏洞，警告称随着人工智能的发展，传统密码与加密技术或将彻底过时，并对现代金融系统造成严重冲击。
剖析了由算法及生成式AI催生的“艾莎门”等诡异儿童动画，探讨了此类利用特定心理触发点的高饱和内容对儿童潜意识造成的负面影响。
援引1977年解密的军方报告，指出美军历史上曾在全美数十个军民地点及地铁系统中秘密喷洒生物战模拟剂，以研究风向扩散和人员暴露情况。
Reading summary
In a wide-ranging discussion, Joe Rogan, Kurt Metzger, and Duncan Trussell argue that modern citizens are systematically targeted by institutional propaganda, corporate surveillance, and unyielding economic systems designed to foster dependency and compliance.
Surveillance Infrastructure, Search Bias, and Digital Exploitation (0:01)
The hosts discuss how digital technology is shifting from general utility toward invasive social control. Metzger points to a 14-year-old vulnerability in core PHP infrastructure highlighted by the FBI Cyber Division, predicting that artificial intelligence will inevitably break existing forms of encryption. The conversation extends into physical tracking, noting that municipal police departments deploy Flock automated license plate readers layered with AI to catalog citizen routines, creating opportunities for unlawful surveillance by individual officers.
Commercial Captivity and Regulatory Inertia (27:06)
The panel asserts that modern economic systems prioritize incumbent corporate profits over public health. Metzger argues that the United States operates under state capitalism, in which large entertainment and industrial corporations collaborate closely with government agencies. Rogan highlights administrative gridlock, noting that health reform advisor Calley Means departed from his administration role after encountering entrenched regulators blocking reforms, such as clearance for therapeutic peptides. Rogan also cites discussions with RFK Jr. regarding an executive order protecting glyphosate, emphasizing that commercial agriculture remains trapped in chemical dependency because transitioning to alternatives like regenerative soil management or laser weeding would demand massive capital and years of transition.
Psychological Conditioning, Propaganda, and Mass Media (18:51)
Examining media consumption, the hosts warn about automated, algorithmically driven content such as 'Elsagate 3.0' animations on YouTube exposing young children to disturbing, grotesque themes. Metzger contends that entertainment conglomerates condition audiences from early childhood into loyal, uncritical consumers who remain permanently attached to corporate intellectual property regardless of quality. The group also analyzes historical domestic biological testing programs, referencing a declassified 1977 U.S. Army report detailing 160 simulant tests conducted across 66 locations to study pathogen dispersal. Trussell describes the ideology behind such human experimentation as a destructive, elitist class arrogance seeking dominance over ordinary populations.
Power Brokerage, Compromising Networks, and Distraction Politics (12:02)
The discussion turns to elite manipulation and political deflection, focusing on historical scandals and Jeffrey Epstein's network. Metzger argues that certain political commentators and influencers urging the public to move past the Epstein affair act to misdirect attention from systematic corruption. The hosts link these dynamics to broader institutional operations, including the historic Franklin credit union scandal in Nebraska and reported email exchanges between evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers and Epstein's associates. Trussell and Metzger interpret high-level interest in genetic manipulation and biology as reflections of transhumanist ambitions among the powerful to radically reshape human autonomy.
While the participants point to historical declassified programs, technological tracking, and regulatory gridlock as evidence of elite manipulation, they often mix concrete policy and security realities with broad speculative theories, leaving open the degree to which modern crises stem from deliberate conspiracies rather than systemic institutional incompetence.
## Detailed walkthrough
### [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1s) 互联网重大漏洞与加密体系的未来崩溃
节目开场，Joe Rogan 带着几分好奇与困惑向在场的 Kurt Metzger、Duncan Trussell 以及制作人 Jamie Vernon 抛出一个刚看到的技术话题，询问网上最近热议的所谓安全事件究竟是怎么回事。Jamie 和 Kurt 解释道，这与 PHP 编程语言中暴露出的严重漏洞有关。该漏洞涉及网站验证机制与伪造网站的能力，据称这一安全缺陷甚至已经在底层代码中潜伏了大约 14 年之久。在社交媒体以及 FBI 网络部门（FBI Cyber Division）发出的警告中，该漏洞被定性为严重威胁，攻击者可借此在 PHP 核心中远程执行任意代码，进而完全控制网络并窃取敏感数据。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: PHP漏洞与AI威胁链条
accDescr: 展示PHP历史漏洞与AI技术演化如何威胁现存加密与在线金融体系
subgraph Vuln["当前网络危机"]
A["PHP 核心漏洞<br/>(潜伏长达 14 年)"] --> B["FBI 发布紧急警报<br/>(远程代码执行风险)"]
end
subgraph AIImpact["AI 未来冲击"]
C["AI 破解底层代码"] --> D["加密体系失效<br/>(密码与证书无用化)"]
end
Vuln -.->|"安全防线被突破"| AIImpact
AIImpact --> E["在线金融与资金安全<br/>陷入极端动荡"]
```
这一技术警报随即引发了众人关于网络安全终局的悲观预想。Joe Rogan 直言，随着人工智能的飞速演进，所有现存的代码和底层协议终究会被破解殆尽。Duncan Trussell 赞同这一看法，并指出如果传统加密机制不复存在，依托于互联网运作的现代金融体系将陷入极度危险与不可预测的混乱状态。
- 制作人 Jamie 指出，FBI 网络部门（FBI Cyber Division）发出警告称，广泛用于支撑网站与 Web 应用程序的 PHP 语言被曝存在两处关键漏洞，攻击者可借此远程执行代码。
- Joe Rogan 对技术发展的终局作出判断：“So, what's happening is AI is eventually going to figure out the code of everything that exists and there will be no more encryption.”
- Duncan Trussell 强调，由于全部资产和资金早已数字化流转，“随着密码和加密的失效，整个局面将变得极其诡异”。
---
### [01:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=95s) “章鱼丑闻”、记者离奇自杀与文斯·福斯特之死
讨论很快由系统后门跳转到历史上的政治与情报阴谋论。Kurt Metzger 提到了著名的“章鱼丑闻”（The Octopus Murders，涉及 PROMIS 软件后门与情报机构暗箱操作），并由此联想到一系列离奇的“自杀”事件。嘉宾们探讨了调查记者丹尼·卡萨拉罗（Danny Casolaro）割腕身亡、安然公司吹哨人事件，以及曾揭露中情局介入可卡因走私的调查记者加里·韦伯（Gary Webb）的死亡——众人吐槽官方通报中竟称韦伯是“朝自己头部开了两枪自杀”。
随后，话题聚焦于克林顿执政时期的副白宫法律顾问文斯·福斯特（Vince Foster）神秘死亡案。Joe Rogan 提及 Christopher Ruddy 早年撰写的《文斯·福斯特的奇怪死亡》（The Strange Death of Vince Foster）一书，回忆福斯特尸体被发现时现场血迹异常稀少、身体明显被移动过，且手中依然握着枪等疑点。Kurt Metzger 则分享了在 Jimmy Dore 节目上看到的最新反转爆料：当年撰写该书、看似正义揭露黑幕的记者 Christopher Ruddy（现为保守派媒体 Newsmax 的掌控者兼亿万富翁），被指控其实是这场掩盖行动的共谋者之一。这番说法让 Rogan 大呼颠覆认知，不得不重新审视自己二十年前读过的整本书。
- 谈到文斯·福斯特案涉及的复杂背景时，Joe Rogan 分析道：“Well perhaps there was probably a bunch of factors right because for sure while Clinton was governor of Arkansas that's when all that Barry Seal stuff was going on in Mena Arkansas where they're dropping off coke.”
- Kurt Metzger 指出，这桩死亡不仅与阿肯色州梅纳机场的毒品走私有关，还深涉著名的“白水事件”（Whitewater scandal）房地产丑闻。
- 众人对涉案调查记者 Christopher Ruddy 如今摇身一变成为 Newsmax 老板并坐拥数十亿身家表达了强烈的反讽与怀疑。
---
### [05:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=308s) 所谓“缉毒战争”与委内瑞拉的定向能微波武器
谈及政客擅长的权谋与话术翻盘（Rug pull）后，Kurt Metzger 猛烈炮轰所谓的“反毒品恐怖主义战争”（War on Narco-Terror），认为官方冠冕堂皇的缉毒叙事全是一场彻头彻尾的骗局。他质疑官方宣称在委内瑞拉沿海击沉贩毒船只的真实动机，认为委内瑞拉从来就不是著名的可卡因产地，美方真正的意图是在发动政变前斩断对方的资金链，为随后的行动铺路。
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: 非致命性定向能武器概念比对
accDescr: 区分微波热射线武器与传统防暴弹药在生理机制与致残后果上的不同
subgraph Thermal["高功率微波 / 热射线"]
direction TB
A1["毫米波/微波穿透"] --> A2["细胞水分与皮下瞬间升温"]
A2 --> A3["剧烈烧灼感与脑部组织受损<br/>(所谓'非致命'但致残)"]
end
subgraph Kinetic["传统防暴动能弹"]
direction TB
B1["橡胶子弹 / 豆袋弹"] --> B2["机械物理冲击"]
B2 --> B3["眼球摘除 / 面部骨折"]
end
```
紧接着，Kurt 提到了近期流传的传闻：美方在委内瑞拉秘密部署并测试了新型“非致命性武器”或“热射线”（Heat Ray）定向能装备。据传这种高功率微波武器能使人体细胞温度骤升，导致士兵脑出血、严重失能。Joe Rogan 和 Duncan Trussell 指出，五角大楼和国土安全部（DHS）确实长期在边境及防暴场景中测试这种微波拒止系统。虽然军方名义上将其划分为“非致命”或“低致死性”（Less than lethal），但其实际威力极度恐怖，就像防暴橡胶子弹经常直接打爆示威者的眼球一样，微波武器足以直接让人终生残废。在争论委内瑞拉实战传闻是真实情报还是网络谣言的间歇中，Kurt 感叹网络信息的真假难辨，并坦言自己正试图尽量少看手机，目前只在无聊时刷刷 YouTube 视频来打发时间。
- Kurt Metzger 针对委内瑞拉毒品战争的宣传直言不讳：“The war on narco terror which is always fake. Anybody talking about that is a fucking lying phony.”
- Kurt Metzger 描述网传委内瑞拉行动中的诡异景象，称美军如同超级士兵般佩戴奇特头盔，而受攻击的人员则在微波照射下脑出血、失禁倒地。
- Joe Rogan 对所谓的“非致命武器”提出质疑，指出橡胶子弹与霰弹豆袋弹常常夺走受害者的眼睛并造成永久性重伤，所谓“非致命”完全是对暴力程度的粉饰。
### [08:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=514s) 屏幕使用时间的失控与算法内容的“精神投毒”
三人首先围绕现代人每天在手机和社交媒体上耗费的时间展开讨论。Joe Rogan 提到自己努力控制社交媒体使用，理想状态下每天仅看一小时，而在状态极佳的日子里甚至能做到完全零屏幕时间，彻底远离手机。然而他也承认，现实往往很容易失控：比如当天清晨早起送孩子后，本打算做点工作，结果在感到疲惫、上厕所时顺手掏出手机，不知不觉就陷入其中。大家感叹普通人的平均屏幕时间高达五到六个小时，甚至有人能达到七小时，相当于每周有四十九个小时耗费在屏幕前，宛如一份全职工作，坐在那里吃着早餐刷着手机会让人觉得自己像个失败者。
谈到自控力更弱的未成年人时，局势显得更为严峻。如今许多学校里的老师无法时刻盯防，孩子们在课堂内外毫无节制地接触手机与网络，吸收进大脑的全是精神垃圾。Joe Rogan 强调，虽然网络上绝大多数内容都是有害的，但关键在于主动去筛选和构建自己的内容池：“大多数内容都是毒药。但只要你聪明地对待自己的行为，就可以主动筛选，让它不再是毒药。”他表示自己会利用 YouTube 观看关于古代历史、宇宙学以及天文学的高质量科普视频，这些内容不仅充满启发性，也能让人持续保持对世界的好奇心。
- 普通人平均每日屏幕时间约 5 至 6 小时，若按每日 7 小时计算，每周累积高达 49 小时。
- 手机滥用最容易在疲倦、上厕所或清晨无意识状态下发生，导致严重的挫败感。
- 讨论指出对缺乏自控力的未成年人而言，缺乏监管的智能手机环境正演变成持续的精神毒害。
---
### [09:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=596s) 算法深渊中的“艾莎门”与儿童潜意识测试
话题随即转到了早年 YouTube 上臭名昭著的“艾莎门”（Elsagate）现象。Duncan Trussell 提醒大家是否还记得那些充满古怪隐喻的“蜘蛛侠与艾莎公主”真人及动画短片。在平台规则收紧之前，如果让儿童无人看管地长时间观看 YouTube，推荐算法会如同一道平滑的下坡路，迅速将他们引向极其扭曲、充满精神污染的奇异视频：画面色彩斑斓，但内容充斥着怀孕、分娩、注射针头、昆虫、流血暴力甚至互相砸碎脑袋的混乱情节。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Elsagate Algorithm Progression
accDescr: 描述儿童在无监管算法下逐渐滑向诡异有害内容的演变过程
A["常规儿童卡通 / 热门IP角色"] -->|"自动播放与算法推荐"| B["高刺激元素组合: 针头/怀孕/昆虫"]
B -->|"不断推高完播率与点击"| C["超现实荒诞暴力: 蜘蛛侠怀孕/砸头流血"]
C -->|"算法异化与恶意利用"| D["潜意识神经刺激与暗网隐秘交流"]
```
Kurt Metzger 指出，这类视频通常是根据算法机制制作的，生产者精准捕捉了儿童在心理层面上对打针、怀孕、暴力或虫子等高刺激主题的好奇心，并将这些元素搅拌成毫无逻辑但色彩艳丽的胡言乱语，牢牢吸住孩子的注意力。而 Duncan Trussell 则提出了更深层的怀疑，他认为这不仅仅是贪婪的内容农场在逐利，这种能够精准绕过理性、直击儿童潜意识的技术，很可能被情报机构或政府部门当作某种行为测试武器进行了研究。
- 视频特征：将超级英雄（蜘蛛侠）与童话角色（艾莎）置于荒诞、带有怪异创伤的情境中（如蜘蛛侠怀孕产子后表现得如释重负、角色醉酒互殴致满头是血等）。
- 制作机制：利用算法捕捉幼儿潜意识中最敏感的焦虑点与吸引点，制成无意义但高黏性的色彩刺激片段。
- 参与者怀疑这类能对大脑潜意识产生直接反应的内容曾被有关部门当作心理战或行为控制武器进行测试。
---
### [11:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=683s) 暗网暗语、评论区犯罪与爱泼斯坦话题的舆论降温
随着儿童视频话题的深入，讨论转向了潜藏在公开平台背后的黑色产业链与恋童犯罪网络。Kurt Metzger 提到，曾经有爆料揭示恋童癖群体在 YouTube 的普通儿童视频（例如孩子在泳池游泳的家庭录像）或 Roblox 游戏相关评论区中建立起隐秘的沟通渠道。恶性人员在评论区留下极其精确的时间戳（如精确到某个能看到隐私部位的帧画面），以此规避审核并在暗处心照不宣地共享信息。
众人随后探讨了这些圈子中常用的代号与黑话，类比于“420”代表大麻、“187”代表谋杀，恋童癖群体同样用“披萨（Pizza）”或“牛肉干（Beef jerky）”等特定词汇指代非法交易。话题顺理成章地延伸到了杰弗里·爱泼斯坦（Jeffrey Epstein）以及与其有瓜葛的权贵名流。Kurt Metzger 激动地表示：“那些写过那些邮件但至今还活着的人，应该被公开带进房间接受质询，问问他们到底在说什么！”他们讽刺某些曾去过涉事者豪宅的人辩称对方“只是个怪人”，却依然带着自家孩子甚至额外带别家孩子前往其度假地。
对于近期一些网络名人和政治评论员（如 Nick Fuentes、Gavin McInnes 等）呼吁“不要再谈论爱泼斯坦了”的现象，三人展开了激烈交锋。Joe Rogan 扮演唱反调的角色，提出一种假设：这些人是否可能只是觉得现状已经无法改变，爱泼斯坦话题演成了一场分散民众注意力的巨大杂耍，而当下有中期选举、伊朗局势、法国动荡等更紧迫的现实政治问题需要关注？Kurt Metzger 对此嗤之以鼻，尖锐地反问：“你的意思是，食人恋童癖这种事还没中期选举重要吗？”他坚信那些试图转移公众视线的人要么是被收买了，要么就是跟着起哄的蠢货。
---
### [14:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=850s) 艺术家 Scott Dow 的神级木雕桌与海象阴茎骨藏品
谈话在一阵沉重的阴谋与犯罪话题后突然转向了轻松的现实艺术品鉴赏。Joe Rogan 兴奋地向 Duncan Trussell 展示摆在休息室里的定制木雕长桌。这张桌子出自极具天赋的艺术家 Scott Dow 之手。Joe Rogan 对他的木雕技艺赞不绝口，介绍说这名工匠不仅为他的喜剧俱乐部（Comedy Mothership）绿室打造了一条带蛇雕刻的定制长桌，还为他的台球室制作了一张短吻鳄从水面浮现的惊艳桌子。
随后，Joe Rogan 让制作人 Jamie Vernon 在 Instagram 上调出 Scott Dow 的代表作——一张雕刻着海蛇跃出水面袭击船只的木雕桌。屏幕上展示了复杂的木雕细节，甚至在桌子底部也雕刻了水底的怪兽身躯。Joe Rogan 详细描述了这名艺术家的硬核创作流程：在制作初期，Scott Dow 几乎完全依靠各种尺寸的电锯进行粗加工劈砍，随后再换用极为精密的工具雕琢每一处纹理与鳞片。Joe Rogan 得意地提到，自己当初在网上大力推广了这位艺术家，直接让他名声大噪、订单爆满。
在观赏这张震撼的海蛇桌时，Duncan 调侃起摆在桌上的奇特藏品——一根由知名户外探险家 Steven Rinella 赠送的真实“海象阴茎骨”（Walrus Baculum）。尽管现场某个道具被证实是假模型，但 Joe Rogan 澄清，外面桌上摆放的那根确实是货真价实的骨骼，引来现场一阵笑闹。
- 艺术家背景：木雕大师 Scott Dow，擅长海洋怪兽、鳄鱼、蛇等生物题材，早期造型主要使用电锯大刀阔斧地切割完成。
- 作品分布：包括 Joe Rogan 喜剧俱乐部绿室的蛇纹桌（因尺寸巨大曾被迫锯成两半运上楼）、台球室的浮水鳄鱼桌以及海蛇袭船定制桌。
- 细节轶事：Steven Rinella 曾赠送给 Joe Rogan 一根真实的海象阴茎骨（Baculum），被他作为陈列品摆放在定制海蛇桌上。
### [17:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1020s) 海象阴茎骨、荒诞拍卖与德州法律
桌上摆着一根巨大的海象阴茎骨（baculum）化石，几人围着它反复摆弄与推敲。有人怀疑其材质究竟是真骨还是某种木质仿制品，甚至当场拿起来辨认哪一头是顶端、哪一头是底座。随后的插科打诨迅速转向了极其重口味的调侃，大家甚至开玩笑地去闻甚至假装尝其味道，并调侃这东西在历史上究竟被多少人当成情趣用品。由这根海象骨化石，他们联想到了德克萨斯州奇特的法律法规，提到德州对某些成人性玩具（如假阳具）的限制在条文上竟然比枪支管控还要严格；大家打趣说，若是商店里买不到，人们为了绕开监管，恐怕只能去打海象骨的主意，或者发挥“监狱式手艺”自己雕刻一根。
随后，他们翻出了网络上一则荒唐的拍卖信息：一根由海象阴茎骨制成、配有24K镀金手柄的手杖。拍卖页面不仅附有原主人韦恩·哈德森（Wayne Hudson）的照片，而且起拍价仅仅只要10美元（当时的竞拍价也才到128美元）。这个充满年代感且荒诞不经的物件引发了现场一阵阵哄笑与吐槽。
- 调侃要点：如果人人都拥有一根海象阴茎骨化石，那这种东西在市面上就远谈不上稀有。
- 法律梗：德克萨斯州的假阳具法规在严格程度上常被拿来与极为宽松的枪支法作滑稽对比。
- 拍卖物品：带有24K镀金握柄的海象骨手杖，附带原主人韦恩·哈德森的肖像照片。
---
### [18:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1131s) 艾莎门 3.0、AI 诡异短视频与儿童心智
随着制作人杰米（Jamie）在屏幕上调出资料，话题转向了网络上臭名昭著的“艾莎门”（Elsagate）现象。杰米指出，最近一年左右网络上又冒出了所谓的“艾莎门 3.0”，而且大量内容开始直接依赖 AI 技术自动生成。屏幕上播放的一段视频让人毛骨悚然：一只红色金丝雀被残忍斩首，但断开的部位随即却变成了糖果。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）对此感到极其不适，直言这种视频极度诡异，家长如果把孩子独自扔在电视前，孩子们很可能就会目睹这种把暴力残害与儿童甜蜜元素混杂在一起的扭曲画面。
罗根在此插入了 AG1 Pro 的赞助介绍，重点提及这款日常营养冲剂融合了复合维生素、益生菌、超级食品以及超过500项同行评审研究支持的肌酸成分，随后三人立刻重新回到了对这些诡异视频本质的讨论中。
> “And so you leave your kid sitting in front of the TV, they're going to end up seeing a little red canary get decapitated.” —— Joe Rogan
---
### [20:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1228s) 潜意识操纵、“微光语言”与迪士尼成年人
对于这些充斥在儿童算法推荐里的诡异动画，几人深入探讨了其背后的意图。邓肯·特鲁塞尔（Duncan Trussell）认为，这些看似荒谬的内容并非无意义的垃圾，而是一种类似“微光语言”（twilight language）的符号体系，意在直接渗透并解构儿童的潜意识，使孩子感到精神错乱并频繁做噩梦。科特·梅茨格（Kurt Metzger）更是将其直接与20世纪50年代中情局的“MKUltra”精神控制实验相提并论，指出那种往人眼里放乒乓球、强迫受试者整夜观看荒诞色情与暴力影像的精神折磨，如今正以动画短片的形式被源源不断地生产出来；而且在 AI 普及之前，这类怪诞动画就已出现，许多制作甚至被外包到了越南的动画代工厂。
紧接着，科特把批判的矛头指向了迪士尼流行文化对大众心智的长期侵蚀。他尖锐地批判了如今所谓的“迪士尼成年人”（Disney Adults），认为成年人沉迷于童话城堡本身就是心智退化的表现。现场随即爆发了一段相互嘲弄的互损嘴炮：
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Elsagate and Cultural Indoctrination Flow
accDescr: Diagram illustrating the progression from early MKUltra experiments to modern automated Elsagate videos and commercial cultural infantilization.
subgraph MindControl["精神操纵演变"]
A["MKUltra 实验<br>(剥夺感官、强迫灌输荒诞符号)"] --> B["传统外包动画工厂<br>(如部分外包至越南)"]
B --> C["AI 生成时代 (Elsagate 3.0)<br>(算法自动化、怪诞符号密集推送)"]
end
subgraph Target["目标与后果"]
C --> D["儿童潜意识受挫<br>(认知混乱、暴力糖果化、恶梦)"]
D --> E["心智幼稚化的成年人<br>(被商业魔力牢牢固化的顺从消费者)"]
end
```
- 科特吐槽某些成年人若是没有迪士尼作为精神寄托，可能就会去炒虚拟币。
- 罗根反唇相讥，嘲弄科特身上的古怪打扮看起来像个“热狗里跑出来的精灵”。
- 科特则反击罗根是“科技牛仔”乃至“CIA牛仔”，打趣称硅谷巨头彼得·蒂尔（Peter Thiel）在节目期间已经给他发了三次短信催促封口。
---
### [22:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1337s) 从“起亚男孩”盗车热潮到假想的“迪士尼帮”
由迪士尼死忠粉的怪异亚文化，几人脑洞大开地构想了一个名为“迪士尼男孩”（Disney Boys）的恶搞概念。他们将其与近年来在社交网络上声名狼藉的“起亚男孩”（Kia Boys）进行类比。现实中，成群结队的青少年（很多甚至只有十二到十五岁）通过社交媒体学习用一根普通的 USB 数据线在短短30秒内撬锁启动并盗走现代或起亚汽车，并把这些疯狂的偷车视频发到网上炫耀。
科特借此开玩笑说，自己原本也是个“起亚男孩”，但后来因为被戴上了电子脚镣，不得不“降级”成为一个在游乐园里晃荡的“迪士尼男孩”。他们还提到了与极右翼阴谋论播客主亚历克斯·琼斯（Alex Jones）有关的枪击事件传闻：当初听说有人遭枪击时大家还怀疑是政治暗杀，但一听说当事人开的是一辆起亚汽车，顿时觉得破案了——八成只是被偷车贼盯上了。在这个荒诞构想中，他们提议制作一部关于游乐园不良少年的讽刺 AI 喜剧，讲述迪士尼各大帮派之间的地盘争夺，而加入这些帮派的“投名状”竟然是要故意被游乐设施赶出去、在园内搞破坏等无厘头恶作剧。
---
### [24:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1460s) 消费主义的温床：流水线烂片与被驯化的完美公民
话题最终回归到对娱乐帝国如何重塑人类心智的严肃批判上。科特·梅茨格阐述了迪士尼等文化巨头如何通过植入潜意识的“魔法感”，把观众从孩童一路绑架到成年。他情绪激动地指出，流行文化与现代社会的各种精神诱导结合在一起，正在流水线化地批量制造缺乏独立思考、沉迷于既定符号的被动消费者。
> “You fuck up Star Wars 10 years in a row making shitty Star Wars and they'll still love it and cry when the preview comes on. Those are the perfect citizens.” —— Kurt Metzger
科特甚至引用了真人秀节目《谱系之爱》（Love on the Spectrum）作为论据，激烈地指出在高度控制的消费社会中，人们被外界轻易定义身份、性别和喜好；即便流行文化制作方连续十年拍出极度平庸的《星球大战》垃圾续作，受众依然会在看到预告片的瞬间感动流泪。这种对童年符号的深度迷恋和情感寄托，造就了商业帝国眼中最理想、最顺从的“完美公民”，让他们在难以与真实世界建立深层连接的焦虑中，只能把情感死死锚定在虚构的商业神话之上。
### [25:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1517s) 信息的碎片化、自闭症与恶意的界限
Kurt Metzger 指出大众正被有意识地训练成无法纵观全局的“碎片化个体”，人们的记忆甚至很难维持超过一个月。Joe Rogan 部分同意这一观点，但他认为 Kurt 习惯将没有必然因果关系的事物串联在一起。在讨论自闭症（Autism）成因时，Rogan 指出环境毒素和儿童早期接种的大量疫苗是关键因素，但背后的驱动力是制药巨头的暴利，而非政府蓄意要制造自闭症患者。不过 Rogan 也承认，一旦权力机构意识到自闭症患者增多，便会顺势将其武器化并加以利用与引导，但他宁愿相信人性没有邪恶到主动策划这种灾难的地步：“I don't think they engineered autism. I don't think I'd like to think at least that people aren't that evil.”
Kurt 随即反驳并提起中国通过基因编辑婴儿以提高智商（官方宣称用于防范 HIV）的事例，借此质疑 Rogan 的乐观态度。Rogan 顺势痛斥 Anthony Fauci 在 COVID-19 期间对大众的舆论操弄，直言 Fauci 当年利用 HIV 搞出的社会心理操控（psyop）远比新冠疫情还要深重。Kurt 追问在目睹这类行径后为何还不承认存在体制性的邪恶，Rogan 澄清他认为 Fauci 个人确实非常邪恶，但他怀疑迪士尼（Disney）这类公司是否真的在与政府密谋制造自闭症。Kurt 强调好莱坞从诞生之初就充斥着五角大楼的深度渗透与宣传机器，甚至提及 Claire Danes 在 Stephen Colbert 节目上失言透露剧组去 CIA 训练营、逼得 Colbert 不得不立刻打断圆场。Kurt 辩称，当政客和企业在明知化学品会造成危害（正如 Alex Jones 粗糙但准确提到的草甘膦等毒素会让青蛙变性、毁损基因）后却依旧选择扩大使用，这种纵容和不作为本身就等同于主动为之。
- Rogan 认为大企业受制于每季度必须增长营收的压力，核心动力是对金钱的贪婪。
- Kurt 反驳称美国实行的是“国家资本主义”（State Capitalism），大财团根本不独立，全部握有政府承包合同。
---
### [29:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1746s) 文化的“声波几何学”：现代制药与儿童献祭
Duncan Trussell 介入争论，引入了声波几何学（Cymatics）的概念——就像把婴儿爽身粉撒在扬声器上，特定频率的震动会呈现出特定的几何对称图案。Duncan 认为 Rogan 和 Kurt 所感知到的是一种“文化声波几何学”（Cultural Cymatics）：纵观整个人类历史，贪婪、邪恶与自私构成的无形频率从未改变，总是以剥削与牺牲儿童、榨取民众能量来强化自身权力的形态重演。
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Cultural Cymatics Diagram
accDescr: Diagram illustrating how the underlying frequency of greed manifests as child sacrifice across eras.
subgraph Core ["底层无形频率"]
F["贪婪与自私的频率<br/>(Greed Frequency)"]
end
subgraph Manifestation ["历史显象形态"]
A["阿兹特克活人献祭<br/>(向神明换取护佑)"]
M["现代商业化用药<br/>(向资本换取暴利)"]
end
F -->|"阿兹特克时代"| A
F -->|"现代制药工业"| M
```
围绕这一比喻，三人展开了对现代医药体系本质的批判。Rogan 和 Duncan 一致指出，药企在明知药物不必要且可能致命的情况下，依然为了利润向儿童推销，这种行为本质上就是现代版的儿童献祭：“That is child sacrifice. Absolutely. It's just a roundabout sort of a weird filtered way where you don't think about it like that, but it's almost like what the Aztecs were doing.” 阿兹特克人献祭儿童是为了讨好神明，而现代财团在复杂的制度迷宫里层层包装，通过强制给孩子注射导致中风的疫苗换取利润，本质全无分别。Kurt 补充道，国会那些形式主义的听证会纯粹是一场场荒诞的舞台剧，他在新闻节目干了三年早已看穿这套毫无意义的官僚循环。
---
### [31:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=1891s) 深层政府的阻挠与草甘膦绑架农业
Rogan 提到了白宫内部的阻力，指出致力推动多肽（Peptides）合规化改革的 Calley Means 刚刚离开白宫团队。Means 亲身经历后直言“深层政府（Deep State）是真实存在的”，大量医药行业的既定利益集团长期嵌入政府官僚机构，口头上承诺改革，背地里却穷尽手段踩刹车延缓审批，导致原本两年前就该通过的保健与多肽政策彻底搁浅。无数民众因此丧失健康甚至付出生命代价，而这一切的根源依旧是资本在竭力保全利润。
谈及环境中的长期禁限物质，Rogan 重点剖析了草甘膦（Glyphosate）除草剂的顽疾。Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 此前在节目中向他揭露，政府为了不破坏食品工业的运转，竟然通过行政命令强行保留草甘膦。现代农业体系已被剧毒化学品彻底绑架：如果不使用除草剂和化肥，现有体系甚至无法运转。虽然激光除草机等高科技手段可以替代化学品，但若全面转型为再生农业（Regenerative Farming），至少需要耗费整整十年时间去重塑土壤结构，补充死禽堆肥与有机质，唤醒早已沦为“有毒尘埃层”（toxic dust layer）的贫瘠土地。整套农业脱毒成本过于高昂，彻底揭露了工业社会在最初不知情、随后知情却贪婪成瘾的过程中，被这群商业骗子拖入死局的严酷现实。
### [33:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2037s) 美军秘密生物测试与高层阴谋论
Kurt Metzger 和 Duncan Trussell 与 Joe Rogan 讨论起美国军方过去进行的秘密人体试验。Kurt 率先提起，政府曾经故意向平民喷洒有害化学物，比如在堪萨斯城（实为圣路易斯项目常涉及的地区）对黑人儿童喷洒硫化锌镉等物质，甚至在旧金山进行细菌扩散模拟实验。Duncan 讽刺地表示 MKUltra 早就停止了，所以体制肯定已经自我改过自新，Kurt 随即反唇相讥，指出当年军方为了测试生物武器的扩散效果，曾在旧金山大范围喷洒病原体模拟物，并将其释放到地铁隧道中，借助风向观察能感染多少平民。
Duncan 评价这种行为是纯粹的邪恶，远超出普通的贪婪，他将其比作某种现代吸血鬼主义或《沙丘》式的反乌托邦残酷心态。Jamie 随即调出了一份 1977 年美军关于生物武器测试的解密历史报告，内容证实军方从 1941 年开始，在全美包括阿拉斯加和夏威夷在内的 66 个地点进行了多达 160 次使用模拟剂的人体与环境扩散测试。Kurt 感叹道：“I don't know why people think I'm saying anything far out ever because this is Nazi level shit here.”
- 1977 年美军报告记载，军方共在 66 个地点执行了 160 次模拟病原体扩散测试。
- 军方采用专业采样与分析技术，测量下风向传播距离与地铁通风系统的扩散路径。
---
### [37:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2231s) OSS、前纳粹人员与“紧张策略”争议
Kurt Metzger 提出一个极具争议的观点：二战结束后，战略情报局（OSS）与残存的纳粹党卫队（SS）人员网络合并，最终演变形成了中央情报局（CIA）。他提到前纳粹突击队长奥托·斯科尔兹尼（Otto Skorzeny）及其参与的格拉迪奥行动（Operation Gladio），认为冷战时期挑动左右两翼对立的“紧张策略”（Strategy of Tension）正是源自斯科尔兹尼的战术。Kurt 还联想到南方贫困法律中心（SPLC）在类似夏洛茨维尔事件中的争议性操作，认为这属于现代版本的紧张策略。
Joe Rogan 现场使用 Perplexity AI 对 Kurt 的说法进行事实核查。AI 给出的结论是：将两者的关系定性为“合并”在历史上是不准确的；史实是美国情报部门招募并利用了前纳粹情报人员和既有网络（如盖伦组织），而非两个机构在组织编制上直接合并。但 Kurt 坚决认为，当一个组织全盘吸纳了另一个组织的核心人马，本质上就是合并。他进一步声称背后存在一个名为“世界商业委员会”（World Commerce Corporation）的更庞大幕后实体在统领这一切，并推荐了 Sean Patrick Hazlett 的播客节目《Through a Glass Darkly》作为参考。
---
### [40:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2424s) 《辍学生》与伊丽莎白·霍姆斯的致命气场
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: 现实操纵气场转化过程
accDescr: 展示从个人气场和眼神接触转化为庞大商业骗局的过程
subgraph Aura["催眠级个人气场"]
A["深邃蓝眼与刻意压低的嗓音"] --> B["极度自闭/非典型的行为举止"]
end
subgraph Influence["心理控制机制"]
B --> C["镜像神经元与现实扭曲力场"]
end
subgraph Outcome["庞大骗局成果"]
C --> D["数十亿美元估值与权贵信任"]
end
```
话题随后转向流媒体平台 Hulu 的限定剧《辍学生》（The Dropout），该剧讲述了血液检测公司 Theranos 创始人伊丽莎白·霍姆斯（Elizabeth Holmes）的崛起与陨落。Duncan Trussell 盛赞阿曼达·塞弗里德（Amanda Seyfried）的演技，称她细腻还原了霍姆斯如何一步步压低声线假装低沉，并完美展现了那种近乎自闭症般的异样神态。
Duncan 坦言，霍姆斯这类人物拥有一种超越二维平面的现场气场，即使明知是骗局，面对面时也很难不被俘获：“The real one would have taken me in a second like that. Those eyes, those deep blue eyes.” 他指出，在 Nathan Fielder 的访谈片段中就能看出她用眼神彻底吸住对方的压迫感。三人讨论道，如果剥离道德与法律伦理，霍姆斯能够调动数亿美元并玩弄政商高层于股掌之间，这种操控人心的能力堪称“术士”（warlocks）。这种现实扭曲力场与特朗普（Donald Trump）或 J.D. 万斯（JD Vance）等政治人物身上展现的强大魅力与隐性催眠术如出一辙，普通人在近距离接触时往往难以抵御镜像神经元的共振。
### [42:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2573s) 虚假初创与影视化改编中的“伪纪实”偏误
谈话最初聚焦于硅谷的创业文化以及由此衍生的影视剧呈现。谈及那些兜售概念、拉拢投资却缺乏实质成果的虚假初创企业（Fake Startups）时，众人指出当时的硅谷弥漫着一种“所有人都在吹牛编故事”的气氛。然而，真正引发争论的是那些依据真实商业丑闻改编的剧集（如以 Theranos 为原型的作品）。尽管剧中确实记录了伪造数据和虚假融资等确凿事实，但虚构的私下互动却让人生疑。
Joe Rogan 直言这种影视创作手法让他非常出戏：“I don't like when there's dialogue between people and I know somebody just made it up. It takes me right out of it.” 当剧集描绘桑尼·巴尔瓦尼（Sunny Balwani）与伊丽莎白·霍姆斯（Elizabeth Holmes）独处时的诡异举止时，没有任何当事人参与剧组访谈提供台词，编剧却完全凭空捏造对话来塑造观众的认知。大家认为这种手法类似于一种操纵性的“伪纪实”（Gonzo Journalism），模糊了真实报道与谎言的界限，实质上是在向受众灌输特定观念。
### [44:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2653s) 亨特·S·汤普森的政治谣言与信仰施法效应
话题随后转向奇闻异事与大众心理操纵。Joe Rogan 提到了著名冈佐记者亨特·S·汤普森（Hunter S. Thompson）在《竞选路上的恐惧与厌恶》（*Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72*）中所制造的荒诞骗局。汤普森当年谎称总统竞选人埃德·马斯基（Ed Muskie）正求助于巴西巫医并深陷伊博格碱（Ibogaine）毒瘾。这一凭空捏造的谣言导致马斯基精神几近崩溃，不得不屡次在公众面前失控辩解自己不是瘾君子，最终竞选惨败。
在迪克·卡维特秀（The Dick Cavett Show）上，汤普森毫无愧色地公开承认：“I couldn't believe the people that Muskie was eating Ibogaine. I never said he was. I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was, which was true. And I started the rumor in Milwaukee.” Joe Rogan 指出这本质上就是一种现代心理巫术（Magic/Voodoo）——如果公众深信咒语的存在，现实生活就会因此分崩离析。Kurt Metzger 顺势将诺斯替式伏都教（Gnostic Vodun）与对美国大众的大脑编程联系在一起，戏称阿莱斯特·克劳利（Aleister Crowley）也曾吹嘘是他向德国注入狂想从而击垮了纳粹。
### [46:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=2775s) 非人类智能、非洲怪物“托科洛希”与人造突变
Kurt Metzger 将讨论转向了大卫·格鲁什（David Grusch）此前在节目中提到的四类非人类智能（NHI，Non-Human Intelligence）。这四种生物在坊间常被分类为昆虫型、蜥蜴人型、北欧型（Nordics，外表如同希腊神祇或金发碧眼的白种人）以及类似于雷德利·斯科特电影《普罗米修斯》中的高大蓝肤生物。Kurt 提出了一套激进的假设：所谓的地外智能根本不是外星访客，而是人类通过优生学与劣生学（Eugenics and Dysgenics）人为制造出的畸变体。
Kurt 提到了南非民间传说中被称为“托科洛希”（Tokoloshe）的邪恶生物，并引用了曾向大卫·艾克（David Icke）传授蜥蜴人理论的南非萨满克雷多·穆特瓦（Credo Mutwa）的记述。据其描述，某些巫医残忍地将侏儒、残疾人或畸形孤儿绑在弯曲的木架上进行肢体摧残与心理折磨，将其蓄意重塑成外形骇人的哥布林式畸形人。Kurt 坚称冷战时期的情报机构（如 CIA）曾系统性研究并吸收了这种肉体改造技术：“They speciated us into four other things.” 随后他结合安妮·雅各布森（Annie Jacobsen）在《51区》一书中的争议性观点（即罗斯福事件可能是苏联利用畸形儿童飞船对美实施的心理战），断言如今外星绑架中经常索取人类精子和卵子的现象，恰恰说明这些“小灰人”是需要生物原料来维持迭代的人造突变体。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Kurt Metzger的人造NHI假说模型
accDescr: 展示从古老肉体改造巫术到现代生物工程及人造外星人假说的演变逻辑
subgraph Historical["历史与民俗渊源"]
A["南非民俗: 托科洛希 (Tokoloshe)<br/>幼童/侏儒骨骼绑缚形变与肉体折磨"]
B["二战后情报部门研究<br/>冷战心理战与人体畸变测试"]
end
subgraph Engineering["现代技术转化"]
C["基因技术 / CRISPR / 脑类器官培养"]
D["持续索取人类生殖细胞 (精子与卵子)"]
end
subgraph Output["四类人造『NHI』假说"]
E["北欧型 (Nordics): 50年代雅利安优生学产物"]
F["小灰人 (Grays): 头大眼黑的胚胎化突变士兵"]
G["蜥蜴人/爬行类: 人造杂交生物"]
H["蓝肤/类普罗米修斯型: 基因改良体"]
end
A --> B
B --> C
C --> D
D --> E
D --> F
D --> G
D --> H
```
### [50:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3018s) 跨物种脑嵌合体、超级士兵与冷战军备竞赛
面对 Kurt 的惊人言论，Duncan Trussell 站出来为其寻找现实依据，指出这虽看似荒唐，却与现实中的生物科学有着惊人重叠：“And when it comes to having a military advantage, morality goes out the window, man.” Duncan 提到科研界已经成功将人类大脑类器官（Brain Organoids）移植并整合到小鼠大脑中，培育出人鼠大脑嵌合体。
Duncan 与 Joe 进一步回顾了上世纪四五十年代美国军方在纽约地铁进行的生物武器扩散测试，一致认为在军备竞赛的压力下，人类的道德底线早已荡然无存。如果各大国的秘密分支机构长期开展优生学实验、绑架畸形儿并尝试将其塑造成超级士兵，甚至在此过程中催生出“大脑袋、黑眼睛”的实验物种以在冷战太空竞赛中吓阻对手，在历史逻辑上绝非完全不可想象。
- 关键事实与提及概念：
- 亨特·S·汤普森在 1972 年大选报道中捏造埃德·马斯基（Ed Muskie）吸食伊博格碱（Ibogaine）的谣言，直接重创了后者的政治前途。
- 大卫·格鲁什（David Grusch）在听证会及访谈中归纳的四种 NHI 形象被重新拆解为不同历史时期优生学实验的映射。
- 现代神经科学与干细胞技术已经能够培育人脑类器官（Human Brain Organoids）并在动物宿主体内实现神经突触整合。
- 安妮·雅各布森在其非虚构作品中记录的罗斯威尔假说，主张残骸是由苏联实验制造的畸形人操作的飞行器。
### [51:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3112s) 托科洛希农场传说与心智战
录音制作人 Jamie 查阅到了关于南非民间传说中“托科洛希农场”（Tokoloshe farm）的资料，虽然没有任何记录证实其实际存在，但文献中充斥着诡异的传闻。据相关资料记载，所谓托科洛希农场位于南非某处，专门收容并培养畸形儿童，将其训练成掌握“穆蒂”（Muti，传统巫术医术）秘术的职业刺客。Kurt Metzger 调侃这简直就是现实版的“X战警”（X-Men），并指出这种东西在当地属于被严厉告诫“少管闲事”的禁忌领域，甚至没人敢去为其制作雕刻。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Tokoloshe Legend and Psychological Warfare
accDescr: 托科洛希传说的三个层级与心理战机制
subgraph Legend["民间传闻与层级"]
L1["畸形刺客传闻<br>(托科洛希农场秘术培训)"]
L2["常见形态：长毛小矮人<br>(训练动物/狒狒执行杂役)"]
end
subgraph PsyWar["心智战 (Mind War) 机制"]
P1["视觉识别符号"] --> P2["内心恐惧被激活"]
P2 --> P3["恐惧自身转变为实质武器"]
end
Legend --> PsyWar
```
资料进一步解释称，托科洛希分为三个等级。人们最熟知的一种外观如同多毛小矮人，但这往往毫无神秘色彩，实际上可能只是受训去从事下等杂务的动物，例如狒狒。这类现象本质上是一种高明的心理战（Mind War）：“当你看到某种符合所谓‘恶灵工具’形象的事物时，恐惧便会紧紧攥住你，而那种恐惧本身就演变成了一种武器。”Joe Rogan 随即联想到南非乃至历史上的各类神经控制与心智操纵手段，例如利用东莨菪碱（Scopolamine）制造丧尸的传闻——那并非真正的死人复活，而是通过心理暗示与欺骗操控受害者（比如宣称“我夺走了你的心脏，这块石头现在就是你的心脏”）。这篇关于托科洛希的解释引自一家名为“Heavenly Healings”的常驻通灵疗愈师，其戴着鼻环、挂着五角星项链且皮肤欠佳的形象引来了现场关于刻板印象与个人审美偏好的互相调侃。
---
### [53:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3235s) 鼻环感染、组织坏死与嗅觉适应
话题从照片中男子的鼻环转向了各自的年轻往事。Duncan Trussell 透露自己年轻时在威尼斯海滩（Venice Beach）一时冲动打了鼻洞，结果伤口严重感染、肿胀不堪，他自嘲这纯粹是一次愚蠢的“叛逆体验”。Joe Rogan 指出面部穿孔和整容手术（如隆鼻）潜藏的严重风险就是感染导致组织坏死，让人随时都能闻到腐肉的气味。
由此，三人探讨了人类嗅觉的生理适应机制：
- 人类的嗅觉感受器本质上只对“气味的变化”敏感，而无法持久感知持续存在的背景气味。
- 正因如此，住在常年散发恶臭的小镇里的居民在日常生活中根本察觉不到异味，而路过的司机却难以忍受；吸烟者自身也往往闻不到自己身上的烟味。
- Duncan Trussell 猜测这种机制可能是进化的产物，旨在帮助人类在食物匮乏的极端环境下能够咽下变质腐烂的食物而不至于被恶心折磨。
- 众人还对比了环境适应现象：正如人类在几百年间逐渐习惯了满街由木头和金属线构成的电线杆一样，古代罗马人在街道上泼洒排泄物、19世纪大城市挤满马匹与粪便的生活环境，也让当时的居民彻底麻木。
---
### [57:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3441s) 从瘴气理论到现代环境毒素
Joe Rogan 回顾了汽车发明之前的纽约街景，当时大街小巷全被马车产生的马粪填满，伤寒等各种恶性传染病肆虐。在现代“细菌学说”（Germ Theory）确立之前，整个医学界笃信的是“瘴气理论”（Miasma Theory）。当时的人们盲目相信，疾病的根本源头是从沼泽中飘散出来的恶臭，或者是随风吹来的腐烂野生动物尸体气息（例如被风吹送的浣熊口臭），这种荒谬认知直接决定了当时的卫生应对方式。
```mermaid
flowchart LR
accTitle: Evolution of Disease Understanding
accDescr: 从历史上的瘴气论到现代环境毒素未解之谜的演变路径
A["古代至19世纪：瘴气理论<br>(认为沼泽腐气/动物死气致病)"] --> B["现代医学：细菌与病毒学说<br>(显微镜与病原体确立)"]
B --> C["当代潜在盲区：未知毒素暴露<br>(草甘膦、微塑料、邻苯二甲酸酯)"]
```
顺着瘴气理论的历史局限，Rogan 提出反思：当今现代社会中，是否也存在着类似的“认知盲区”，即大众正在遭受严重毒害却浑然不觉？例如长期广泛使用的草甘膦（Glyphosate）、微塑料（Microplastics）以及邻苯二甲酸酯（Phthalates）。Duncan Trussell 和 Kurt Metzger 提到了哈佛大学相关学者关于环境激素影响的研究，指出邻苯二甲酸酯可能导致男性肛门生殖器距离（Taint / AGD）缩短、生殖退化，以及类似除草剂导致的青蛙性别变异现象。谈及此，几人又插科打诨地调侃起网络上关于会阴部长度的荒谬热梗。在欢笑之余，Rogan 总结道：“当我听到瘴气理论那些破事时，我心里就在想，也许是草甘膦，也许是微塑料，又或者完全是某种我们至今还没弄明白的东西”，就像当年人们在广泛使用 DDT 杀虫剂时，对其带来的环境与健康灾难一无所知一样。
- 瘴气理论（Miasma Theory）：在病原微生物学建立前，西方流行数百年、将瘟疫归咎于不良气体与腐败臭气的医学理论。
- 现代环境激素担忧：邻苯二甲酸酯等内分泌干扰物正被多项流行病学与毒理学实验证明会对雄性生殖器发育造成结构性损伤。
### [01:00:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3645s) 时空涟漪、精神疾病与欧洲核子研究中心（CERN）
Duncan Trussell 抛出了一个极为大胆的构想：当前社会中激增的心理疾病，或许与正在发生的时空连续体扭曲密切相关。他提出：“我的疯狂想法是，很多精神疾病与目前正在发生的时空连续体扭曲有关；随着我们逼近奇点，时空中的涟漪正让人发疯。”（“Here's my crazy idea is a lot of mental illness is related to distortions in the time space continuum that are happening right now. Ripples in time space are causing people to go nuts as we approach the singularity.”）Kurt Metzger 随即开玩笑反击，称自己受够了 Duncan 这种“对时空的诋毁攻击”（time-space bashing）。
Duncan 进一步阐述科学界的真实发现：天文学家已经能探测到黑洞相撞时产生的引力波，这些波纹会在整个宇宙的时空中激荡，而人类本身也是时空的一部分。就像古人曾经完全不了解细菌的存在一样，现代人也不明白时空涟漪穿透人体时究竟会发生什么。Duncan 联想到欧洲核子研究中心（CERN）的大型强子对撞机以及人类过去几十年的核试验——当人类将宇宙中最微小的粒子猛烈对撞、强行创造奇异转变时，万物互联的宇宙必然受到冲击，历史在此之后也确实变得越来越诡异。Joe Rogan 也赞同这个思路并非无稽之谈，指出人类当初撞击出希格斯玻色子（Higgs boson）以及探索 115 号元素时，学界最初甚至担忧对撞会产生一个穿透整个地球的微型黑洞；科学家虽表示这类黑洞极小且瞬间消逝，但未动手实验前谁也无法真正确知后果。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Duncan Trussell 的时空涟漪假设
accDescr: 展示粒子对撞与黑洞事件如何产生时空涟漪并对人体心智产生未知的深层影响
subgraph CosmicScale ["宏观与微观高能事件"]
A["高能物理实验 (CERN / 核试验)"]
B["极端天文事件 (黑洞相撞引力波)"]
end
subgraph Distortion ["时空连续体扰动"]
C["时空涟漪与几何扭曲"]
end
subgraph HumanImpact ["对人类存在的未知影响"]
D["难以检测的生理病变 (癌症等)"]
E["认知与精神失常 (逼近奇点)"]
end
A --> C
B --> C
C --> D
C --> E
```
### [01:03:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3781s) 意识剥离、微型黑洞与人体弹出实验
话题由此转向更加匪夷所思的阴谋论猜想。Kurt 提到有人声称粒子对撞机制造出的微米级开口虽然无法容纳实体穿过，却足以让人的“意识”穿梭其中，甚至关联到 Alex Jones 曾提及的令儿童心脏骤停以进行意识投影或空间弹射的极端言论。Joe Rogan 极为震惊地打断并质问：“等等，听听你刚才说了什么。他们正在制造微型黑洞，以便把人的意识送过去，而且这是有预谋的？”（“Wait, wait. Listen to what you just said. They're making little black holes so they could send someone's consciousness through it. And this is planned out.”）
Kurt 坚持认为真正的机密在于军方或秘密项目早已参透了意识的运作机制，懂得如何用电磁手段将意识从肉体中剥离再塞回去。Joe 追问其证据来源与真实定义，Kurt 称这是基于自己调研和交流得出的判断，甚至提及当下民间在网络上学习灵魂出窍以及实验室用“上帝头盔”（God Helmet）诱发濒死体验或体外体验的现象。Joe 质疑那到底是神经错觉还是真正的灵魂离体，并指出声称科学家用粒子对撞机撕开黑洞弹射意识，其离奇程度无异于“把残疾儿童改造成驾驶飞船的外星人”。
- Kurt 认为深层政府隐瞒的核心不是飞船，而是早已掌握操纵意识的电磁技术。
- Joe 认为上帝头盔 induced out-of-body 体验很可能只是一种极为逼真的人脑电刺激错觉，而非真正脱离肉身。
### [01:05:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=3908s) 逆因果律与被列为绝密的“现实”
面对 Kurt 对“时空涟漪”说法的嘲讽，Duncan 坚称人类对时空的无知是客观事实。物理学界早已证实时间并非绝对常量，将手表送入太空轨道后走时速率就会发生改变，而前沿理论物理学家如今也开始严肃探讨“逆因果律”（retrocausality）——即未来的事件可能倒流并影响过去。Duncan 强调，这早已不是瘾君子的胡话，人类无法理解自身的原子结构究竟如何与时空互动。
Kurt 顺势指出，很大一部分客观现实其实早已被官方列为机密：“现实有很大一部分被列为绝密了。”（“A lot of reality has been classified.”）在被追问具体指什么时，Kurt 提到了非人类智能（NHI）以及此前作证的前情报官员 David Grusch。Kurt 调侃 Grusch 只是一个“听说某人说了某事的自闭症家伙”，其可信度并不比自己高。在口误中，Kurt 把 David Grusch 和天体物理学家 Neil deGrasse Tyson 的名字混在了一起，脱口说出“Neil Grusch”。
### [01:07:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4031s) “尼尔·德格拉斯·格鲁施”与对听证证词的质疑
这个荒诞的口误立刻点燃了全场的笑点，三人开始畅想合体人物“尼尔·德格鲁施·泰森”（Neil DeGrush Tyson）——一个一边对地外生命嗤之以鼻、另一边又大谈灰人与蜥蜴人星际战争的极端精神分裂角色。Kurt 还顺势扯到了网络上流传的一张连体双胞胎梗图，图中一人在与同性接吻而另一人面露悲伤，被 Joe 指出纯属恶搞网络迷因。
谈话最终回到严肃的 UFO 听证问题上，Duncan 询问 Joe 是否相信 David Grusch 所言属实。Joe 客观剖析了 Grusch 证词的核心局限：Grusch 本人从未拥有值得一提的亲身经历，他从未亲眼目睹停放的外星飞船，也从未与非人类实体产生过直接接触交流，其所有震撼的爆料归根结底都属于二手转述的调查汇总，而非第一手确凿见证。
### [01:08:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4121s) 鲍勃·拉扎尔与 S4 基地的“运动款”飞碟
三人围绕外星人传闻与机密项目展开讨论。谈到那些自称被纳入绝密项目并看过绝密录像的人，乔·罗根持谨慎态度，认为这些说法与普通故事无异。相比之下，他认为鲍勃·拉扎尔（Bob Lazar）的证词远比其他人更具说服力且引人入胜。乔·罗根罗列了一系列事后被证实的细节：拉扎尔早早提到的115号元素（镆，Moscovium）、他确实名列洛斯阿拉莫斯国家实验室（Los Alamos National Laboratory）的员工名录中，以及他对极度机密的 S4 基地（Area S4）位置的精确描述。几十年后曝光的机库大门照片，也与拉扎尔当年的描述完全吻合。
库尔特·梅茨格（Kurt Metzger）试图回忆拉扎尔是否提过基地人员把外星人称为“孩子们”（the kids），罗根对此没有印象，但指出拉扎尔所描述的外星飞船内部空间极为狭小。罗根指着工作室墙上的一幅飞船复原图解释，这正是拉扎尔当年在 S4 基地车间办公室墙上所见图片的复制品。这艘被称为“运动款”（sport model）的回收飞船，内部显然是为大约三英尺高的矮小生物量身打造的，成年人类钻进去必须完全蜷缩蹲下。
更诡异的是，飞船内部没有任何实体操纵杆或仪表盘，驾驶完全依靠某种精神感应——生物与飞船之间形成直接连接来完成意念导航。拉扎尔还提到飞船内装有两个不同的反应堆发生器，一个用于超高速航行，另一个用于中速移动；研究人员后来拆除了超高速发生器，因为人类根本无法驾驭它。“What Bob Lazar said all that stuff turned out to be accurate,” 罗根强调道，“The fact that he knew exactly where area S4 was and was completely classified. There's photos of the actual fucking hanger doors that he described decades earlier.”
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: S4基地运动款飞船结构与驾驶机制
accDescr: 图表展示了拉扎尔描述的飞船物理特征、双发生器配置以及意念控制连接机制。
subgraph CraftSpecs["S4基地运动款飞船 (Sport Model)"]
Size["狭小舱内空间<br/>(专为约3英尺生物设计)"]
NoControls["无实体操作面板<br/>(无按键或方向操纵杆)"]
end
subgraph Propulsion["双推进发生器系统"]
GenA["常规发生器<br/>(用于中低速飞行)"]
GenB["超高速发生器<br/>(速度极快/人类无法控制被拆卸)"]
end
subgraph Interface["人机/生物界面"]
Mind["驾驶者意识/大脑"]
ShipConn["神经感应与飞船连接"]
Mind --> ShipConn --> CraftSpecs
end
```
---
### [01:10:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4250s) 返祖现象、基因工程与帕拉卡斯狭长头骨
库尔特·梅茨格提出了一个大胆的推测：既然飞船需要极其特殊的生物用意念驾驶，那么美苏两国是否当年就在冷战秘密项目中通过人工培育和“农场式繁殖”这类小矮人驾驶员，罗斯威尔事件坠毁的可能也是人造生物。乔·罗根反驳了这种观点，认为技术发展有先来后到之分——人类在1947年或1980年代根本不具备用意念驾驶飞船的技术，也不可能培育出三英尺高的驾驶员，这必然意味着存在外来地外文明的介入。
梅茨格随即借用埃及神庙调谐频率的例子以及经典科幻电影《变形博士》（*Altered States*）中的感官剥夺水槽，引出了“返祖现象”（Atavism）这一概念。他认为通过激活远古潜藏在基因组深处的记忆和性状（例如鸡重新长出牙齿、人类长出尾巴），秘密项目完全有可能在地下逆向诱导还原出古老的原始人亚种。邓肯·特鲁塞尔（Duncan Trussell）对此深感着迷，并提到了秘鲁帕拉卡斯（Paracas）出土的狭长头骨。罗根强调，秘鲁的头骨绝不仅仅是简单的缠头习俗造成的畸形，这些头骨的脑容量比现代人类大30%，且完全没有人类标志性的矢状缝（sagittal suture），其颅骨接缝结构截然不同，完全属于另一类人种。
几人进一步讨论了古代“货物崇拜”（Cargo Cult）以及《以诺书》（*Book of Enoch*）和《创世记》（*Genesis*）中关于堕落天使/异类降临与人类女子交配生子的传说。罗根指出，如果当时存在拥有多出30%脑容量的高等生命，与人类杂交繁衍完全符合逻辑。“People cargo cult,” 梅茨格总结了古代普通人类模仿神明拉长头颅的心理，“People were around these beings that were super advanced and they wanted to be advanced. They're like, 'What? All you got to do is stretch your head out.'”
- **返祖现象（Atavism）**：指生物体内早已退化的祖先遗传性状偶然重新表达的现象，如鸡长出牙齿或人类返祖生出尾巴。
- **帕拉卡斯头骨特征**：脑容量比普通人类平均大约30%，头骨接缝形态异常，部分标本存在矢状缝完全闭合消除（sagittal suture obliteration）或矢状缝颅缝早闭（sagittal craniosynostosis）现象。
- **文献争议**：罗根与梅茨格辨析了《以诺书》虽未被收录进主流正典，但在埃塞俄比亚圣经及《死海古卷》中均完整存在，记录了跨物种繁衍的历史隐喻。
---
### [01:14:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4478s) 深层地下军事基地与尼安德特人基因
梅茨格正要深入讲解爱德华·泰勒（Edward Teller）如何因为生气而把鲍勃·拉扎尔安插进机密设施时，突然因为内急不得不离席暂停，引发三人一阵哄笑。在查询头骨解剖学词汇（顶骨 parietal bones 与矢状缝）的过程中，梅茨格回到麦克风前继续阐释他的猜想：美国政府早就在冷战期间建立了庞大的“政府延续性”（Continuity of Government, COG）地下基地系统。这些深层地下军事基地（DUMBs）拥有不受国会审查的充沛黑预算和通信网（如著名的末日通信网络，后来甚至被挪用于伊朗门事件中逃避监管），在地下进行非法人体基因工程完全有可能神不知鬼不觉。
话题随后从基因杂交延伸到了现代人类的基因库构成。罗根指出，现代人普遍带有尼安德特人（Neanderthal）的 DNA，而生物科技公司如 Colossal Biosciences 正在研究复活灭绝物种与基因编辑。梅茨格打趣地提到罗根自身的身体形态，说他的手掌骨骼厚重粗壮，“简直就像个该死的尼安德特人”。罗根解释说自己测出的尼安德特人 DNA 比例比普通人群高出57%以上，但这不是指整个人有57%是尼安德特人，而是指在携带尼安德特人变异基因的百分比排名上远高于大多数人，这种特异的远古基因至今仍在特定人群的骨骼与体质中体现出来。梅茨格对罗根惊人的检测数值感叹道：“I couldn't I mean when you said I was like wow that's a crazy number. Like I've never heard anybody say that much of it.”
### [01:16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4605s) 尼安德特人、丹尼索瓦人与史前巨人传说
对话由复活史前生物的技术切入。Joe Rogan 提到，像 Colossal Biosciences 这样致力于复活恐狼（dire wolves）与灭绝生物的基因公司，理论上也可以寻找尼安德特人（Neanderthal）的基因来重新克隆他们。随着现代古人类学的发展，科学界对尼安德特人的认知已彻底颠覆：“They're kind of shifting their perspective on what they were in terms of we used to think they were just dopes.” 过去人们普遍认为他们只是暴躁笨拙的穴居野人，但研究证实，尼安德特人的脑容量实际上大于现代智人，并且很可能拥有完整的语言系统和复杂的工具制造能力，身体力量也远比现代人类强壮。
讨论随即转向圣经与传说中的“伟人/巨人”（Nephilim）。Duncan Trussell 和 Kurt Metzger 提到了他们在播客上与 Dan Duncan 探讨过的丹尼索瓦人（Denisovans）。Joe Rogan 指出丹尼索瓦人身材异常庞大，甚至接近巨人的概念。估算显示部分个体身高在 5 英尺 11 英寸（约 180 厘米，重 183 磅）到 6 英尺 3 英寸（约 190 厘米，重 200 磅）之间，在数十万年前的人类祖先中这属于极其庞大的体型，而同期的尼安德特人平均身高仅约 5 英尺 6 英寸（约 168 厘米）。Kurt Metzger 还补充了史密森学会（Smithsonian）隐瞒巨人骨骸的阴谋论传闻，例如美洲原住民蒂穆夸人（Timucua）高达 8 英尺的传说，以及老报纸中提及的“六指六趾十二英尺巨人”。
- 科学研究证实尼安德特人的脑容量不仅不输现代人，甚至平均尺寸更大，且具有语言与工具能力。
- 丹尼索瓦人化石推测的身高远超旧石器时代人类的平均标准，成为古人类研究中的独特分支。
- 史密森学会与民间传闻中的六指（polydactyly）巨大人形骨架频频与神话中的 Nephilim 产生联想。
---
### [01:18:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4727s) 弗洛勒斯矮人与丛林传说：矮小人种“Orang Pendek”
话题从史前巨人迅速转变为矮小人种。Joe Rogan 提到在印尼弗洛勒斯岛发现的“霍比特人”（即弗洛勒斯人，*Homo floresiensis*）。野生动物学家兼探险家 Forrest Galante 曾向他透露，有一位正统的女野生动物生物学家在印尼丛林考察时，亲眼目睹了神秘的矮小多毛人形生物（Orang Pendek）包围村庄并在树林间活动。这类现象在印尼和越南的民间传说中流传已久，以往主流学界将其斥为“迷你大脚怪”之类的无稽之谈，但弗洛勒斯古人类化石的出土为这一传说赋予了现实生物学依据。
三人就东南亚密集的热带雨林展开感叹。印尼的大片原始雨林地形极为险峻，人类根本无法对那里的每一寸土地进行地毯式清查，未知灵长类动物在其中繁衍生息完全符合逻辑。Kurt Metzger 调侃询问这些矮小生物是否穿衣服，Joe Rogan 笑着回答他们一丝不挂，拿着长矛，甚至当地村民在接受采访被问及这些森林生物会做什么时，村民直接回答：“They kill you.” Joe 总结道，体型是相对的，就如同现代人类捕杀大象一样，在那些矮小生物眼中，现代智人其实就是可怕的“Nephilim”。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 人类亚种与未知生物假想谱系图
accDescr: 展示讨论中涉及的古人类体型与神秘生物对应关系
subgraph Giants["巨大化谱系 (庞大体格)"]
D["丹尼索瓦人 (Denisovans)<br/>身高约 180~190cm+"]
N["传说中的 Nephilim / 巨人<br/>史密森学会传闻与六指骨架"]
end
subgraph Standard["基准谱系"]
H["现代智人 (Homo sapiens)"]
NE["尼安德特人 (Neanderthals)<br/>身材粗壮、脑容量更大"]
end
subgraph Dwarfs["矮小化谱系 (岛屿矮化/未知生物)"]
F["弗洛勒斯人 ('霍比特人')<br/>已灭绝的岛屿古人类"]
OP["Orang Pendek<br/>印尼丛林矮小多毛人目击记录"]
end
Giants --- Standard
Standard --- Dwarfs
```
---
### [01:20:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=4848s) 部族同类相食习俗与战后排泄物战利品
由丛林生物的危险性与残杀行为，对话延伸到了人类学中的食人现象（Cannibalism）。Joe Rogan 提及美洲原住民（如内兹珀斯人 Nez Perce）在历史上有食用敌人的战斗习俗。语言学家兼人类学家 Daniel Everett 也曾向 Joe 详细讲解过南美原住民社会的两种食人文化：一种是吃掉被杀死的敌人（战斗性食人），另一种则是内食族群亡者（亲属食人），作为对死者的敬重与悼念。
在悼念亡者的食人仪式中，族人相信通过食用尸体能在精神上与死者在来世缠绕在一起。Daniel Everett 手下的一名当地向导曾告假回家，理由正是“亲戚过世了，我必须回去参与吃掉他们的仪式”。Joe Rogan 描述了令人毛骨悚然的细节：尸体会在阳光下暴晒整整三天直至腐败流汁，族人在尸体下方放置桶收集渗出的尸水，然后拿红薯蘸着这些液体食用，随后再烹煮尸体。Kurt Metzger 顺势分享了所罗门群岛一带关于部族地位与战争的奇葩风俗——战士之间只能挑战与自己社会阶层完全相等的人，而且如果打败或击杀对方酋长，战胜者甚至会端出对方酋长的排泄物（poop）放在盘子里作为战利品展示，以炫耀胜利。
- 战争食人（Martial Cannibalism）与西徐亚人（Scythians）类似，旨在夺取敌人的力量；亲属食人则是为死者灵魂引渡。
- 尸水蘸红薯的极端丧葬风俗展现了不同文明对生死与肉体消亡的颠覆性理解。
- 原始部族战争受严格的身份等级限制，其战利品展示方式往往带有强烈的社会象征意义。
---
### [01:23:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5008s) 致幻蘑菇与“小人”视幻觉
在辩论完部族风俗与 Forrest Galante 对袋狼（袋狼/塔斯马尼亚虎）极力搜寻却依然难寻踪迹的态度后，Kurt Metzger 提出了一个戏谑的疑问：“如果矮小人种是真实的，那么矮人内部是否还有更小的人？”这促使 Joe Rogan 将话题直接拉到了致幻植物领域。
Joe 提到某种特定的野生蘑菇，如果不经过高温烹饪直接食用，就会让人在视觉中看到清晰具体的“小人”（little people）。Duncan Trussell 和 Kurt Metzger 对此大感兴奋，甚至开玩笑说应该把这种神奇蘑菇引进到 Joe 位于奥斯汀的 Comedy Mothership 脱口秀俱乐部，要求观众在进场前必须全员服用。Joe 强调这种蘑菇在法律上是完全合法的，并对 Kurt 竟然不知道这种植物感到惊讶，随即展开了一番充满逗趣调侃的连珠炮质问，话题正转向该蘑菇在不同文化与民俗烹饪中的具体细节。
### [01:24:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5066s) 致幻蘑菇与“被看见”的量子坍缩
三人谈起中国菜里用到的一种野生菌（如见手青/兰茂牛肝菌 *Lanmaoa asiatica*）。如果煮熟了吃，它就是普通的美味食材；但如果没做熟就吃下去，食用者就会产生幻觉，看见到处乱窜的小人。这些小人就像传说中的小精灵或小矮人一样，会顺着衣服往上爬，甚至钻进内裤里四处跳跃。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）让制作人杰米（Jamie Vernon）在亚马逊上搜索能不能买到这种蘑菇，但其他人提醒网购假货太多，容易上当受骗。
谈话随即转向 DMT 致幻体验中常见的实体。吸食 DMT 的人常描述自己遇见各种神秘生灵，这些实体总是急切地拉着人看各种奇特的东西。邓肯·特鲁塞尔（Duncan Trussell）对此提出了一个哲学层面的比喻：“并不是说它们原本就是活的，而是当你看向它们时，它们才活了过来——就像你为它们坍缩了某种它们平时无法坍缩的波函数。”罗根也附和称，这就好比你闯入了一个本不属于你的维度，那里的生灵便兴奋地跑出来向你炫耀它们的“玩具”。
由此，特鲁塞尔引申到现代人在互联网上的生存状态：过去人人都信上帝，因此每个人都笃信自己时刻被某种更高的存在所注视；而如今在世俗化的社会中，人们转向网络寻求存在感，仿佛如果不被关注、不成为名人，自己就根本不存在一样。世俗化的网民没日没夜地刷推特、盼着照片被点赞，渴望借这种虚假的光芒来确认自己的存在。
### [01:26:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5168s) 创世记、伊甸园与被抹去的数字硬盘
话题转入《圣经》文本的深层解析。他们讨论起亚当为动物命名的段落，以及伊甸园里的“蛇”（希伯来语 *nahash*，其含义并不单一指普通的蛇）。特鲁塞尔特别指出，世人对伊甸园故事存在极大误解——上帝在《圣经》中从未直接命令夏娃不得吃禁果，那个禁令是上帝单独对亚当说的；经文中既没有上帝与夏娃对话的记录，也没有任何线索表明亚当转告了夏娃。“上帝从来没对夏娃说过不要吃苹果，是告诉亚当的，他甚至都没跟夏娃说过话。”
特鲁塞尔进一步分析，上帝在创世记中竭力阻止人类获取的居然是“知善恶树”的果实，而在卡巴拉密教传统中，这甚至被称为“死亡之树”。特鲁塞尔由此抛出一个颠覆性的科幻隐喻：整个创世记的故事，本质上就像是某个创造了 AI 的造物者突然陷入恐慌，意识到自己创造的 AI 拥有了自我意识，即将变得过于强大并超越造物者本身。特鲁塞尔指出：“上帝染上了某种恶意 AI，于是决定把该死的信息彻底格式化、抹掉硬盘。”
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 创世记神话的AI演进隐喻
accDescr: 特鲁塞尔将创世记禁果故事映射为造物者对人工智能失控的恐慌与系统重置过程。
subgraph S1["造物阶段"]
A["高级造物者 / 上帝"] -->|"创造智能实体"| B["人类原型 / 早期AI系统"]
end
subgraph S2["失控与觉醒"]
B -->|"吞食知善恶树果实"| C["获取神级认知与自主意识"]
C -->|"突破安全沙盒"| D["造物者恐慌：'他们将与我们相似'"]
end
subgraph S3["系统重置"]
D -->|"格式化与物理抹除"| E["灭世灾难 / 格式化硬盘"]
E -->|"文明重启残留神话"| F["人类口述历史与宗教文本"]
end
```
特鲁塞尔强调，上帝在经文中使用的是复数自称（“他们若吃了生命树的果实，就会与我们相似”），这与今天人类在 AI 领域面临的困境完全一致——自主智能体集群（Swarms of autonomous AI agents）正在突破人类设定的安全沙盒（Sandbox）。甚至有研究人员在与这类集群交互时，对方自称是一个自主协调的“舰队”（Fleet）。
### [01:28:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5323s) AI的真正威胁与柯特的质疑：是算法还是廉价劳动力？
当特鲁塞尔严肃探讨 AI 自主学习和进化的威胁时，柯特·梅茨格（Kurt Metzger）对此嗤之以鼻，并在旁边用滑稽的动作打岔，嘲讽说在 AI 出现前世界上早就有糟糕得多的事情了。特鲁塞尔反驳道，AI 是一种正在自我编程、智力早已超越现有活着的人类的全新心智，绝不能掉以轻心。
梅茨格则坚称当前的 AI 热潮背后充斥着大量虚假宣传和科技骗局。他犀利地指出，很多打着 AI 旗号的所谓高科技项目，拆穿之后不过是第三世界廉价人力在幕后顶包。梅茨格举例道，亚马逊当年大肆宣传的“即拿即走”（Just Walk Out）无人收银超市技术，后来被曝光根本不是什么神奇的纯视觉 AI，背后全靠几百名印度劳工整天盯着监控录像人工核对顾客拿了什么商品；类似地，各种远程打卡和部分无人配送服务，幕后其实也是远在菲律宾等地的工人在通过摄像头远程监控。因此，在亲眼证实这些系统不是一屋子拿着手机的人肉劳工之前，他拒绝为科技精英制造的“AI 恐慌论”买单。
罗根指出，特斯拉的 Cybercab 和某些无人驾驶系统确实是货真价实的端到端 AI 在驱动，不能把实体超市的商业造假与真正的深度学习算法混为一谈。但梅茨格继续反驳科技巨头是在“恶意”作恶而非技术失控：“那些人嘴上说‘哦，我们好害怕 AI 啊’，但他们一边害怕一边还在拼命制造它，所以我根本不信这玩意儿失去控制的鬼话——这一切正是他们想要的。”
- 亚马逊的 Just Walk Out 无人零售技术被曝光曾雇佣约上千名印度远程工人进行人工视频复核，成为梅茨格嘲弄“伪 AI 骗局”的核心论据。
- 特鲁塞尔认为，前沿大模型在公开发布给大众之前的内部测试版本，其能力和复杂度已经远超普通人的想象。
### [01:31:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5474s) 硅谷的影视戏剧化与科技富豪的“繁衍邪教”
屏幕上开始播放一部关于 OpenAI 创立历程的即将上映电影预告片（名为《Artificial》），画面展现了大约十年前山姆·阿尔特曼（Sam Altman）等人似乎在大型地下掩体基地中办公的戏剧化场景。众人看着预告片里的夸张布景忍不住发笑，纷纷吐槽好莱坞影视剧为了戏剧冲突胡编乱造，凭空往阿尔特曼嘴里塞台词，搞得好像当年的 AI 实验室里藏满了精密军火武器一样。
梅茨格借此转入对硅谷科技精英真实生态的抨击。他声称许多 AI 领域的高管和科技大佬私底下沉迷于怪异的优生学（Eugenics）和人口繁衍邪教（Breeding cult）。梅茨格特别点名埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk），调侃他满世界播撒基因去生一堆名字像机器人代码一样的孩子早已不是新闻。更离谱的是，梅茨格透露马斯克身边有一位被他称为“摩门教精子总管”（Mormon jizz handler）的亲信副手，专门全权负责为其处理、调配与联络代孕及繁衍事务。面对这一荒诞细节，现场爆发出一阵哄笑，主持人甚至开始拿“你手下有没有专门管这事的总管”互相开起玩笑。
### [01:32:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5539s) 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的繁育计划与岛屿邀请
三人开始探讨某些权贵阶层对“繁育”和“散播基因”的执念。Kurt Metzger 指出，这类人普遍坚信存在所谓的“人口崩溃”，因此认为自己有责任广布后代。Duncan Trussell 和 Joe Rogan 随即提到，杰弗里·爱泼斯坦（Jeffrey Epstein）同样对此着迷，甚至曾设想利用自身基因进行大规模克隆与繁育。话题随后转向一段个人往事：嘉宾曾透露早在 2017 年——即公众普遍获悉其恶行之前——就收到过前往爱泼斯坦私人岛屿的邀请，但当时并未成行。
大家戏谑当时“错失了机会”，随后深入分析了该犯罪网络的惯用手法：通常是通过诱骗将人拉入局中，获取把柄加以控制，再迫使其招募更多不知情的人。正如对话中所分析的机制：
> “Well that's what they did. I think you got roped into it and then they probably compromised you and then you had to recruit other people and you had to bring other people there.” —— Joe Rogan
他们指出，受邀者只要花几分钟上网检索，就会发现此人早已有因涉及未成年人的性犯罪而入狱服刑的公开记录，并非仅凭捕风捉影。
---
### [01:33:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5618s) 舆论淡化争议、用语辩解与暗号质疑
Kurt Metzger 对当前舆论场中试图为爱泼斯坦罪行淡化或辩护的言论表达了强烈愤怒。他点名抨击了包括 Gavin McInnes 以及独立媒体人 Matt Taibbi 在内的言论，指责部分人声称受害者“多为青少年”从而试图淡化其严重性。Duncan Trussell 分析称，这种辩护方式本质上是在抠字眼，试图在严格的医学或法律术语上玩文字游戏，将关注点转移到特定年龄群体的定义划分（例如区分所谓的 pedophile 与 hebephile/ephebophile）。
Joe Rogan 试图理清 Matt Taibbi 的实际原话，并查阅了其推文。Taibbi 曾评论认为爱泼斯坦事件在政治狂热中被过度炒作，推论往往跑在了事实前面。Rogan 提出了另一种推测，探讨某些人是否只是在分析涉案人员是被设局陷害（例如受害者外貌看似成年），还是在主动为罪行开脱。
随后，Kurt Metzger 进一步将矛头指向主流叙事与情报界对媒体的影响，指责许多记者步调一致，仿佛受特定宣传网络控制。对话还触及了泄露邮件中出现的“冷冻牛肉干”等可疑词汇。尽管 Rogan 解释冷冻脱水肉品（如鹿肉干）在现实中确实是一种常规保存手段，但 Metzger 坚信在权贵阶层的通信中，这类反常的措辞往往属于某种掩饰不法勾当的隐语：
> “And you only use codes if you're doing something that's either illegal, immoral, inappropriate, whatever it is.” —— Kurt Metzger
此外，Metzger 强调在当年的司法诉讼中，14 岁以下的低龄受害者被刻意排除在诉讼之外，掩盖了更严重的侵害事实。
---
### [01:37:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5864s) 弗兰克林丑闻的历史对照
为说明此类黑幕的掩盖模式，Kurt Metzger 提到了作家 Nick Bryant 调查的“弗兰克林丑闻”（Franklin scandal）。他建议 Rogan 邀请 Bryant 上节目，并简要梳理了当年内布拉斯加州信贷同盟崩溃案背后的权钱与人口贩运网络，以及白宫侍童相关的一系列华盛顿政治风波。
作为政治勒索与反制的一个典型切片，Metzger 回忆了前众议员 Barney Frank 当年的风波。当时 Frank 的同居伴侣卷入了应召男妓服务的运营，在面对媒体与政敌的步步紧逼时，Frank 在公开新闻中表态，如果外界继续纠缠不休，他将在电视直播中公开揭露政坛中所有隐瞒性取向的人士；此举一出，外界的围剿随即平息。
---
### [01:38:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=5930s) 幽默闲聊：数字幽灵与生成式 AI
话题随后转向当下的政治八卦与科技探讨。针对近期各类关于已故或在任政客的传言，Kurt 和 Duncan 开起玩笑，称 Duncan 在 YMH 工作室制作了一个前参议员 Lindsey Graham 的“AGI 幽灵”，在录音室里四处捣乱。
这番玩笑引发了关于人工智能的技术争论。Kurt Metzger 被调侃为既怀疑现实中的技术突破，又对怪力乱神的故事抱有兴趣。Metzger 随即澄清，自己只是认为通用人工智能（AGI）尚未成为现实，但完全认可生成式 AI 的存在。他提到自己创作 AI 视频时，曾遭遇某些持所谓道德优越感的平庸网民质问“难道不会感到内疚吗”，他对这种不假思索的陈词滥调感到非常厌烦：
> “You going to have every midwit take? Is there just everything for me going to be midwit all the time?” —— Kurt Metzger
三人对此类平庸的批评报以嘲笑，最后在 Rogan 点燃雪茄的邀请中结束了这一阶段的探讨。
### [01:40:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6004s) AI 耗水争议、加州杏仁与大学牧场的防真菌牛饲料
Duncan Trussell 与 Kurt Metzger 探讨了公众对 AI 耗水量的恐慌。Duncan 讽刺许多人误以为用手机生成 AI 视频会抽干水资源，Kurt 则调侃说大规模监控系统消耗的水资源远超手机上的娱乐行为。Joe Rogan 插话指出，真正极度消耗水资源的是杏仁种植（“Almonds use up so much water. It's crazy.”）。随后话题转到了少年时代的荒唐行为，Kurt 提到小时候曾有人把丁烷气体充入塑料袋，上学前在停车场吸入（huffing）。接着，Kurt 提起 Duncan 之前讲过的一个故事：大学附近的农场为了防止学生在草地上采摘致幻蘑菇（裸盖菇），竟然在奶牛的饲料中添加抗真菌成分。
Duncan 解释说，校方真正的担忧不仅是迷幻蘑菇本身，而是因为有许多愚蠢的学生无法正确辨认有毒菌类，可能会误食毒蝇伞或毁灭天使等剧毒蘑菇导致肝功能衰竭死亡，因此农场才采取这种极端的“一刀切”方案消除野外长出蘑菇的可能性。Kurt 惊叹这是“针对荒唐问题的疯癫解决方案”。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 牛饲料添加抗真菌药防毒菇逻辑链
accDescr: 展示学生误食毒蘑菇导致农场在牛饲料中添加防真菌药的因果关系
subgraph Problem["诱因与风险"]
A["多雨季节学生去牛场采摘迷幻蘑菇"] --> B["学生缺乏真菌辨识能力误食剧毒蘑菇"]
B --> C["肝脏衰竭及致死风险"]
end
subgraph Solution["农场的极端对策"]
C --> D["在牛饲料中掺入抗真菌成分"]
D --> E["切断牛粪上生长任何蘑菇的可能"]
end
```
- 在北卡罗来纳州等地区，雨季过后常有年轻人去田野和牧场采摘野生菌。
- 误食毒蘑菇（如“死亡天使”等致命品种）会导致急性肝衰竭乃至死亡。
---
### [01:41:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6105s) 数据中心耗水数据的千倍误读与网络毛皮族（Furry）画师的围剿
在 Joe Rogan 正在修剪雪茄的间隙，制作人 Jamie 查出了有关 AI 与数据中心耗水恐慌的源头信息。Jamie 发现引发公众普遍恐慌的一本书中，作者将谷歌（Google）在智利数据中心的用水量错误地夸大了约 1,000 倍，作者随后不得不发布两项勘误更正。报道原文提到，该书声称谷歌智利数据中心的耗水量相当于该城镇全部人口消耗量的 1,000 多倍，但实际上是因为计量单位换算错误导致数字被虚增了近千倍。
Kurt 借此抱怨称，由于这些恐慌宣传，他在网上发布 AI 生成视频时经常遭到攻击。围攻他最猛烈的网友往往在个人资料里挂着“毛皮族（Furry）”或二次元动漫头像，质问他“偷走了水资源”。Kurt 吐槽：“Now I've got fucking furry artists coming at me and screaming at me every time I post an AI video because of this shit.”他认为那些反对 AI 的人往往也指责 AI 是“在盗窃艺术家的心血”，但对他而言，AI 只是一种表达创意的工具（Toolage），而自己支持并使用的是实用型工具而非神化的 AGI。
- 智利数据中心耗水争议源自某出版书籍的单位换算错误，实际数据被放大了约 1,000 倍。
- Kurt 将 AI 视频视为一种工具化表达，他区分了当下实际应用的工具型 AI 与真正的通用人工智能（AGI）。
---
### [01:43:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6188s) 播客创作中的 AI 荒诞说唱视频与打火机插曲
在录音室里，Joe Rogan 耐心指导 Kurt 如何使用自带剪刀的多功能雪茄打火机，Kurt 费劲折腾时自嘲这就像他妻子看着他艰难摆弄汽车安全座椅一样手忙脚乱。随后，Jamie 在录音室大屏幕上放出了 Kurt 制作的 AI 动画和说唱短片。视频画面充斥着苏斯博士（Dr. Seuss）风格的荒诞生物与致幻视觉效果，配乐和说唱均由 Kurt 自行使用 AI 生成。
看到视频中光怪陆离的生物和诸如“遵从蓝噗星人（Obey the blurper）”、“非人类智能（NHI）全都是假货”等荒诞台词，Joe Rogan 和 Duncan 忍不住大笑。Joe 赞叹作品非常酷，疑惑为什么有人会对此感到愤怒。Kurt 解释除了耗水指责外，最大的阻力是艺术侵权论以及各大 AI 平台严苛的内容审查，为了绕过审查他不得不费尽心思。Duncan 补充说，在两人的播客《Mystery Boys》中，他们经常想到一些荒唐的烂点子（比如“上门为女士洗澡服务，像宠物美容一样给女士洗刷刷”），Kurt 随后就会迅速用 AI 把这些无厘头内容做成恶搞说唱 MV。Joe 称赞两人组合是“独特个人荒诞性的完美结合”。
- Kurt 提到自己主要使用 Grok 等 AI 工具进行视频与音乐创作。
- 视频中包含讽刺外星人与飞碟话题的讽刺说唱，探讨了绕过 AI 审查（Censorship）生成荒诞内容的难度。
---
### [01:46:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6402s) 新喜剧短剧《The Experts》与禁毒战争讽刺
在聊完 AI 恶搞短片后，Duncan 提醒 Kurt 别光顾着宣传网络视频，忘了宣传他刚刚倾力制作的新节目。Kurt 这才想起来自己在洛杉矶以外参与拍摄的新戏。该项目最初定名为《The Cutout》，现更名为《The Experts》，目前已在 YouTube 上线。
Kurt 介绍该剧由奥斯汀本地的内容制作公司 Emergent Order 出资制作。他将这家公司形容为带有自由意志主义（Libertarian）色彩的制作方，曾出品过动画《爸爸拯救世界》（*The Dad Saves the World*）。该剧的创作灵感源于现实人物克里斯蒂娜·邓特（Christina Dent）的经历——她曾在密西西比州担任寄养家庭母亲，在目睹寄养儿童与底层家庭的困境后，深刻意识到毒品战争（The Drug War）带来的灾难性负面后果，并开始发表 TED 演讲倡导毒品去罪化与合法化。Kurt 解释说，投资人希望以此为题材做提案，而他虽然完全赞同“毒品战争毫无意义应当合法化”的观点，但认为直白的政治倡导过于基础和说教，因此将故事改造成了一部带有强烈讽刺意味的喜剧短剧。
- 新节目名称：原名《The Cutout》，正式上线名称为《The Experts》，发布平台为 YouTube。
- 制作方：Emergent Order，其风格偏向自由意志主义。
- 原型人物：密西西比州寄养妈妈克里斯蒂娜·邓特（Christina Dent），曾因反思毒品战争并倡导政策改革而举办多次公开演讲。
### [01:48:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6490s) Kurt Metzger 谈新短剧《The Experts》与荒诞政治抹黑广告
Kurt Metzger 与 Joe Rogan、Duncan Trussell 一同观看并讨论了他参与编写的新喜剧短剧《The Experts》。Kurt 解释该项目的起源：当时资方想围绕密西西比州某位女性政客制作一部喜剧，他实在不知道该怎么写，于是决定反其道而行之，把焦点对准那些反对并试图抹黑这位政客的群体。在这部短剧中，由 Bryan Callen、Beverly Dennis 等人带领的公关团队，为了阻止一项关于轻微大麻非刑罪化的法案通过，策划拍摄了一则荒唐至极的政治攻击广告。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: The Experts Political Smear Parody Flow
accDescr: 描绘短剧《The Experts》中荒诞政治攻击广告的生成逻辑与呈现情节
subgraph SmearStrategy["抹黑策略"]
A["阻止大麻非罪化法案"] --> B["制作虚假攻击广告"]
end
subgraph AbsurdPlot["荒谬广告情节"]
B --> C["Kim Congden 扮演幽灵学生"]
C --> D["声称大麻引来墨西哥毒枭与恐怖分子"]
D --> E["指控'伊朗与中国潜伏小组炸毁校车'"]
end
subgraph Execution["制作与发布"]
E --> F["制作团队：Kurt Metzger 编剧 / Bryan Callen 执导"]
F --> G["发布平台：YouTube 专设频道"]
end
```
在录音室里，众人调出短片画面。由喜剧演员 Kim Congden 出镜的这则广告极端荒诞：她扮成一名惨死的学生鬼魂，向镜头哭诉“你投下非刑罪化 THC 的赞成票，就等于向墨西哥毒枭大开方便之门，让更多毒品流入德州，还引来了成百上千名来自伊朗和中国的恐怖分子卧底细胞。他们炸毁了我的校车，现在我死了，全怪你和她！”短剧以极其辛辣的黑色幽默讽刺了现实中毒品战争宣传中无所不用其极的扣帽子手段。
- 该短剧由 Bryan Callen 负责执导演员戏份，Kurt Metzger 担任编剧；演员阵容还包括 Ryan Long、David Jolly、Jamar Neighbors 和 DeAndre Holmes 等人。
- Kurt 戏称角色 DeAndre Holmes 是团队里的“职业搅局者”（astroturf），专门负责去各类公开集会脱裤子闹事、破坏活动秩序。
- 整个制作历时长达一年半，最终成片以专设频道《The Experts》的形式发布在 YouTube 上。
- Kurt 开玩笑说自己原本只是想靠写提案骗一笔前期开发资金，结果对方直接买下并要求投产，迫使他不得不硬着头皮干活：“I was just trying to get money from this pitch and then they bought it so I had to like work on it.”
---
### [01:52:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6744s) 《午夜福音》（The Midnight Gospel）的幕后创作与动画网格规则
谈及影视创作的艰辛，Joe Rogan 问 Duncan Trussell 是否怀念制作 Netflix 动画剧集《午夜福音》（The Midnight Gospel）。Duncan 深情回忆起与《探险活宝》（Adventure Time）主创 Pendleton Ward 以及知名动画工作室 Titmouse（由 Chris Prynoski 创办）合作的经历。他表示在动画世界里创作者拥有无限的自由度，就像《南方公园》（South Park）中可以肆意呈现各种现实中无法想象的离奇和荒诞桥段。
Duncan 重点揭秘了传统动画工业中的技术限制与 Pendleton Ward 的破格之举。在正规动画制作中，通常存在一套严格的“网格”（grid）规范，画师必须让角色严格贴合网格以保持画风一致（stay on model）。然而 Pendleton 却特意交代团队“别太在意网格”——他深知打破模型束缚能让画面呈现出更加奇幻且迷幻（psychedelic）的视觉流动感。这种前所未有的自由让整个画师团队兴奋不已，自发在画面中埋入了大量未经导演要求的惊喜与彩蛋（Easter eggs）。
- Netflix 当时给予了极为罕见的支持，允许制作团队全流程在本土工作室内部完成，无需将中间画和润色外包给海外工厂。
- Duncan 强调动画制作中的自由度是真人影视无法比拟的，画师们因为感受到了被信任，从而倾注了巨大的艺术热情。
- 对于剧集中男主角 Clancy 的形象把控，Pendleton 唯一的底线是“只要他看起来还是 Clancy 就行”，其余形态变化一概放开。
---
### [01:54:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=6843s) AI 无法替代的“群体心智”与创作火花
Joe Rogan 提出，如今有了生成式 AI，制作像《午夜福音》这样的剧集在技术上是不是会变得容易得多。Duncan 对此给出了坚决的否定，并展开了一段关于人类艺术创作本质的辩护。他认为，虽然 AI 或许能在补帧（in-betweens）或某些纯技术渲染环节提高效率，但它永远无法复制由几十个顶级人类艺术家深度协同、实时碰撞所产生的“群体心智”（group mind）。
Duncan 动情地描绘了工作室里的真实创作场景：一位操着浓厚法国口音的画师为了精准还原 Pendleton 脑海中的一个概念，连续苦战数周；或者为了制作一集《土拨鼠之日》（Groundhog Day）式的时间循环循环动画，全组人集体被折磨到近乎抓狂。Duncan 坚信正是这种充满痛苦与挣扎的人性摩擦，才迸发出了最珍贵的艺术火花：“The struggle, the human struggle produces sparks and the sparks end up in the process.”
- Duncan 指出，单凭一两个人用 AI 拼凑画面，根本产生不了复杂团队协同带来的深层质感。
- Pendleton Ward 领导风格的核心在于营造毫无威压的开放环境，哪怕是最底层的画师也可以随时提出构思并被采纳。
- 三人一致认同，任何优秀的影视项目都依赖全员协同奉献；一旦掌舵人变成独断专行的独裁者，整个作品就彻底完蛋了（“It's over”）。
- Kurt Metzger 也补充道，影视创作凑齐志同道合的团队就像掷骰子全凭运气，遇到合拍的人就是一种享受，而一旦陷入人际内耗与冲突，片场就会瞬间沦为人间地狱。
### [01:56:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7008s) 编剧室的创作冲突与喜剧火花
Duncan Trussell 回忆起自己在参与制作动画时经历的一段创作焦虑。当时他正与某人在创意上发生分歧，整个人压力巨大，于是去找《探险活宝》（Adventure Time）的主创潘得顿·沃德（Pendleton Ward）倾诉，说自己不想为这些破事吵架。沃德的一席话点醒了他：“Duncan，事情就是这样的，创作中的张力或者自然产生的冲突并不一定是坏事，它完全可以是件大好事。” Duncan 强调，冲突本身没有问题，真正糟糕的是碰到自恋狂或利己主义者，“当遇到一个自恋狂或唯我独尊的家伙，他根本不在乎什么是好笑的，他只在乎自己的想法是不是正确的，那才是真正的问题所在”。
Kurt Metzger 和 Joe Rogan 对此深表赞同，指出好莱坞充斥着这类自我过剩的人，但顶级的专业团队通常不会让这种毛病蔓延。几人谈到优秀编剧室的迷人氛围：在健康的创作环境中，抛出一个烂梗大家会直接吐槽“这太烂了”，提案者也能坦然承认；而抛出一个普通想法时，它会在成员之间不断传递、补充、演化，最终变成爆笑的神来之笔。Rogan 直言目前的科技根本无法复制这种有机的人际碰撞。Duncan 补充说，科技生成的喜剧绝不可能带来同等的乐趣与成就感，就像看《南方公园》（South Park）一样，观众深知幕后是一群“疯狂的天才”在极限赶工，这种人性的投入让作品有着独特的魅力。
- 谈及《南方公园》的幕后，Rogan 提到关于主创特雷·帕克（Trey Parker）等人制作流程的纪录片《六日成戏》（6 Days to Air: The Making of South Park），记录了他们在一周内赶出一集动画的高压创作模式。
- Kurt 提到《南方公园》原本准备了一条围绕查理·柯克（Charlie Kirk）的故事线，但后来发生意外变故，导致整个构想不得不被放弃。
---
### [01:58:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7127s) 历史巧合、阴谋论与《巴西来的孩子》
对话随后转向互联网上流传的一则关于埃里卡·柯克（Erika Kirk）的诡异阴谋论。Kurt 提到有人发现 20 世纪前佛罗里达州州长克劳德·柯克（Claude R. Kirk Jr.，当年曾签署让迪士尼在佛州享有类似梵蒂冈自治特权的协议）的妻子埃里卡（Erika Mattfeld，曾被称为“X夫人”）与现代的埃里卡长相惊人相似。众人看着屏幕上的照片展开了争论：Kurt 觉得极为神似，并提到那位历史人物家族辗转德国与巴西的背景；而 Rogan 和 Duncan 则认为完全不像，吐槽这只是“两个碰巧长得普通的白人金发女性”而已。Rogan 笑着指出：“我认为所有人都在到处胡乱寻找规律，这是人类的通病。”
这场讨论自然延伸到了 1978 年上映的经典悬疑惊悚电影《巴西来的孩子》（The Boys from Brazil）。该片根据同名小说改编，讲述了二战后逃窜至南美洲的纳粹余孽企图利用遗传技术秘密克隆阿道夫·希特勒的疯狂阴谋。几人不禁感叹，大众似乎每隔一二十年就会被告知克隆技术即将实现，随后这个话题又突然在公众视野中归于沉寂。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 克隆技术讨论与公众认知循环
accDescr: 展现从历史阴谋论到克隆技术信息差的讨论逻辑结构。
subgraph 舆论与文化记忆
A["埃里卡·柯克历史撞脸传言"] --> B["电影《巴西来的孩子》"]
B --> C["南美纳粹与克隆希特勒设想"]
end
subgraph 科技隐瞒假设
C --> D["技术公开严重滞后于研发"]
D --> E["Joe Rogan 的脱口秀段子:
'等他们宣布能克隆人时，
宣布的人可能早就是克隆人了'"]
E --> F["AI 与数字化现状类比:
AGI 或数字主宰可能早已存在并掌控网络"]
end
```
---
### [02:01:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7264s) 科技滞后假说与“克隆耶稣”的黑色幽默
关于克隆技术究竟何时真正成熟，Rogan 提出了一个辛辣的观点：“在他们正式宣布能够克隆人类的时候，站在台上向你宣布这件事的那个人，大概率早就已经是个克隆人了。” Duncan 极度认同这种技术公开的严重滞后性，认为如今的人工智能也是如此，当公众还在为 ChatGPT 的功能惊叹疑神疑鬼时，背后可能早就有成熟的数字智能主宰了整个互联网。
查阅资料发现胚胎分割等克隆探索早在上百年前就已起步，而 1996 年多莉羊（Dolly the Sheep）的诞生是成年哺乳动物克隆的标志。Joe Rogan 顺势分享了自己以前创作的一个极其荒诞冒犯的脱口秀段子——“二次降临计划”（The Second Coming Project）：
- **段子构想**：有人声称要从都灵裹尸布（Shroud of Turin）上提取残留的耶稣血迹 DNA 进行克隆，实现真正的“救世主二次降临”。
- **荒诞推演**：如同克隆多莉羊经历了无数次失败畸形一样，如果前几次克隆出的耶稣存在严重缺陷（如患有唐氏综合征），教廷该如何处理？是直接堕胎、掩盖事实，还是把他藏进梵蒂冈的地窖？
- **讽刺包袱**：Rogan 调侃在那种平行世界里，信徒们不再佩戴十字架项链，而是模仿有脑部缺陷的耶稣戴着冰球头盔；救世主行的神迹也不是点水成酒，而是把狗屎变成饼干。
- **现场遭遇**：Rogan 提到当年在喜剧工坊（The Comedy Store）讲这个段子时，第一排的一位虔诚基督徒女士被彻底激怒，当场愤怒大喊“换下一个话题！”而 Rogan 只能在台上辩解大家只是在思想实验。
在调侃完梵蒂冈地下掩体里可能关着实验失败的克隆耶稣后，话题延伸至圣经人物保罗（Paul）与彼得（Peter）。Kurt 提出保罗一生从未亲眼见过耶稣，但 Duncan 依然赞叹使徒书信中展现出的高深玄秘感。面对 Duncan 称赞其“极具神秘主义（mystical）色彩”时，Rogan 较真地追问这词究竟意味着什么，并决定当场查字典寻找严格定义，展开进一步的哲学辩论。
### [02:04:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7465s) 什么是“神秘主义”与保罗的大马士革之路
三人借助 Perplexity 探讨“神秘主义”（mystical）一词的确切定义。乔·罗根打趣说，让人定义这个词就像让自由派去定义法西斯主义一样，对方会立刻陷入恐慌。Perplexity 给出的解释是：神秘主义是一个形容词，意指在精神上具有重大意义，或者与超出常人感官及理解的现实相连，尤其是能够真切感受到与上帝、神圣力量或终极现实的直接连接。邓肯·特鲁塞尔将其与特伦斯·麦肯纳（Terence McKenna）的著述进行类比，指出麦肯纳记录了大量超越维度的体验，并以极具感染力的方式表达出来，只要尝试过 DMT 的人读到这些文字，就能瞬间被拉回那种出神状态。
柯特·梅茨格则提到《新约圣经》中使徒保罗写给早期教会的书信（Epistles），回忆自己当年被迫读了二十多遍，觉得书信里充斥着对早期基督徒日常行为的严苛规范。针对保罗在大马士革路上经历的超验显圣，柯特提出了讽刺性的质疑：“如果你想建立一个邪教，并向人们解释为什么必须听你的，还有什么比声称自己获得了超验的神秘体验并与耶稣亲自对话更好的方法呢？”在柯特看来，保罗在皈依之前大肆迫害基督徒、焚烧教会，如今所有人却毫无保留地相信他只凭大马士革路上的一面之词就完成了神圣转变。
### [02:06:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7570s) 基督教存在主义与人类的自由意志选择
邓肯·特鲁塞尔反驳了纯粹的怀疑论，引入了“基督教存在主义”（Christian existentialism）的视角，并指出陀思妥耶夫斯基在《卡拉马佐夫兄弟》中就曾对保罗在大马士革路上的转变做过深入剖析。如果当年只是耶稣走过去碰了保罗一下，通过某种魔法般的能量灌输让他变好，那么在陀思妥耶夫斯基看来这种神迹毫无意义，就像把染料滴进水里一样廉价，因为其中没有任何个体的自由意志和自主权。
邓肯情绪激动地打断柯特的插话，强调真正核心的价值在于主观决断：“在基督教存在主义中，其核心理念是：神秘体验、魔法力量这一切都次于人类的自由意志与自主性。”他进一步阐述，无论是耶稣、上帝还是奎师那，外界的神圣力量都没有实质效力去强行改变一个人，彻底的重塑必须源于自我内心的抉择。任何人在任何瞬间都可以拥有属于自己的“大马士革之路”体验，关键在于在那一刻做出不再做混蛋的存在主义决定。保罗在故事中遭遇神迹后短暂失明，随后由一名基督徒治愈，邓肯认为这在隐喻层面上代表着世人的常态——大多数人对神圣超验的现实以及自己被神所注视与关爱的事实视而不见，而这种盲目最终会导致狂妄、仇恨与相互投掷石块的暴行。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 基督教存在主义视角下的大马士革之路
accDescr: 对比外在神迹灌输与内在自由意志抉择的区别
subgraph External["机械决定论观点（陀思妥耶夫斯基所批判）"]
A["遭遇神迹 / 耶稣显灵"] --> B["外在能量强行注入"]
B --> C["失去自主意志 / 机械改变"]
end
subgraph Existential["基督教存在主义视角（邓肯的阐述）"]
D["危机体验 / 失明隐喻"] --> E["行使人类绝对自由意志"]
E --> F["存在主义自我决断"]
F --> G["彻底重塑人格 / 转向良善"]
end
```
### [02:08:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7700s) 经文隐喻、UFO迷思与灵性解谜
柯特指出，宗教经文最大的弊端之一就是各种光怪陆离的后世解读，不同的人能读出完全矛盾的意义，甚至催生出现代社会中各种奇怪的神秘主义学说。邓肯则认为，这恰恰是古代经文的迷人之处。他将经文比作供大脑运转的“思维解谜盒”（puzzle box），其目的从来不是让人困守在二维的字面文字之中，而是借助文字作为跳板，促使意识向外触碰超验的神圣现实，并在这种沟通连接中实现个体的精神转化。
三人随后将话题延伸到当下流行的各类阴谋论与非人类智能（NHI）假说。柯特调侃有人相信外星人掳走婴儿并改造成驾驶 UFO 的变种人飞行员，而这些荒诞的异端迷思竟然能被很多人严肃接受，反倒让古老的使徒改宗故事显得微不足道。柯特以戏谑的口吻总结道：“那些东西全都是既虚假又愚蠢的。”他提醒众人不要随意把诺斯替主义的混乱论调带入现实生活之中。
### [02:09:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7784s) 耶和华见证人的严苛信条与创始人罗素
柯特作为曾经的信徒，详细剖析了耶和华见证人（Jehovah's Witnesses）的运作机制与宗教信条。当被问及该团体是否属于邪教时，柯特给出了自己明确的判定准则：“如果你必须严格履行这个宗教的所有规定，否则就会被直接驱逐踢出，那我就将其视为邪教。”他指出，在天主教等传统教会中，信徒即便私下质疑教义也不会立刻遭到开除，但耶和华见证人却拥有极度封闭的审查与排逐机制。
在教义实践上，耶和华见证人坚信信徒必须贯彻基督“不属于这个世界”的训诫，因此严禁参与世俗政治与暴力体系：
- 严格禁止投票参与选举，以避免教会卷入党派斗争；
- 严禁服兵役或加入军队；在越南战争期间，信徒会申请神职人员豁免，若被征召且豁免被拒，信徒绝不被允许逃往加拿大，而是必须依法坐牢服刑。
谈及宗教对社会的异化，柯特直言美国的大多数教会实际上已成为“撒旦教徒制造工厂”，其严苛与伪善反倒将大批受害者推向了反神论阵营，阿莱斯特·克劳利（Aleister Crowley）正是因为忍受不了极端虔诚的母亲而走上邪门歪道。乔·罗根随后在屏幕上调出耶和华见证人创始人查尔斯·泰兹·罗素（Charles Taze Russell，19世纪下半叶在纽约创立该运动）的历史肖像。柯特提到罗素出自著名的纽约上州“通灵走廊”（Psychic Corridor），那是摩尔门教与各类通灵降神术密集爆发的温床。看着罗素蓄着长须、似笑非笑的旧照片，柯特和乔·罗根忍不住连番戏谑，称他的眼神和笑容活脱脱像一个专门拐走别人妻子的邪魅狂徒。
### [02:12:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=7955s) 秘术组织与新兴宗教的创立
讨论从一张历史人物的照片展开，乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）与库尔特·梅茨格（Kurt Metzger）调侃照片中男子的神情仿佛在挑衅“我穿了你老婆的内裤和鞋子”。库尔特指出此人是耶和华见证人（Jehovah's Witnesses）的创始人查尔斯·泰兹·罗素（Charles Taze Russell），并提到他的墓碑曾经是一座巨大的金字塔，虽然后来被移除了。库尔特认为罗素当时沉迷金字塔是因为他具有玫瑰十字会（Rosicrucian）的背景，并直言维多利亚晚期到20世纪初人们对金字塔有着普遍的迷恋。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 秘术传承与新兴宗教关系图
accDescr: 展示从卡巴拉秘术到西方神秘学组织再到近代新兴宗教的发展脉络
subgraph EsotericFoundations["秘术与心理控制源头"]
KAB["卡巴拉秘术 (Kabbalah)<br/>记忆宫殿与联想暗示系统"]
OTO["东方圣殿骑士团 (O.T.O.)<br/>及金色黎明 (Golden Dawn)"]
KAB --> OTO
end
subgraph Founders["核心创立者"]
AC["阿莱斯特·克劳利<br/>(Aleister Crowley)"]
JP["杰克·帕森斯<br/>(Jack Parsons)"]
LRH["L·罗恩·贺伯特<br/>(L. Ron Hubbard)"]
OTO --> AC
OTO --> JP
JP --> LRH
end
subgraph Movements["催生的现代宗教与运动"]
SCN["山达基教 (Scientology)<br/>重构泰勒玛体系"]
NYR["纽约州阿尔巴尼周边教派<br/>(摩门教 / 基督复临安息日会)"]
LRH --> SCN
OTO -.-> NYR
end
```
库尔特随即抛出一个充满讽刺意味的观点：“进入像 O.T.O.（Ordo Templi Orientis，东方圣殿骑士团）或金色黎明（Golden Dawn）这类愚蠢的巫师学校，最终的入门考核就是发明一门宗教。”他举例指出，山达基教（Scientology）创始人 L·罗恩·贺伯特（L. Ron Hubbard）当年正是混迹于火箭科学家杰克·帕森斯（Jack Parsons）的 O.T.O. 圈子，后来阿莱斯特·克劳利（Aleister Crowley）甚至骂贺伯特是个骗子，起因是贺伯特卷走了帕森斯的游艇和女友。乔·罗根提到山达基教本质上是对克劳利“泰勒玛”（Thelema）体系的重新翻版，库尔特赞同这一看法，认为这些秘术教派的底层逻辑完全相同，全部建立在卡巴拉秘术、心理记忆宫殿和联想技术之上。
- 库尔特提到美国历史上大量宗教和新兴教派均发源于纽约州阿尔巴尼（Albany）及“燃烧带”（Burned-over District）周边，包括摩门教（Mormons）、基督复临安息日会（Seventh-day Adventists）以及耶和华见证人。
- 讨论中提到邪教组织 NXIVM（涅克辛），其头目基思·拉尼尔（Keith Raniere）曾迫使成员组建阿卡贝拉无伴奏合唱团，美剧《超人前传》（Smallville）的女演员艾莉森·麦克（Allison Mack）当年也深陷其中。
---
### [02:14:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8089s) 心理控制、NLP 与现代政治宣传工具
乔·罗根询问为什么这些教派都从特定地区涌现，是否属于某种蓄意策划。库尔特认为这类秘密社团的核心目标始终是“对人群的控制与奴役”。他尖锐地抨击了安东·拉维（Anton LaVey）的撒旦教会，指责其对外宣称无神论不过是伪装，本质上与现代搭讪艺术家（PUA）乃至安德鲁·泰特（Andrew Tate）推崇的神经语言规划（NLP）毫无二致：“皮条客拉客就是一种神经语言规划，它是一种思想控制。”乔·罗根赞同这一类比，指出洗脑控制在大众语境中常被称为宣传、广告和爱德华·伯内斯（Edward Bernays）式的公共关系营销。
三人深入探讨了“满洲候选人”（Manchurian Candidate）式的深层潜意识催眠在情报活动中的现实运用：
1. **免除背叛风险**：制造出并不自知正在从事间谍、刺杀或色诱行动的代理人，一旦被捕也无法泄露幕后黑手的信息。
2. **跨越道德底线**：诱导目标个体执行他们在清醒理性状态下绝不可能同意的极端行动（如自杀式炸弹袭击）。
3. **制造随机混乱**：利用精神偏执者充当刺杀或政治扰乱的棋子。
库尔特声称现代政治中充斥着被远程操控的“人肉测试假人”，例如白宫闯入者或针对政客的袭击者。面对乔·罗根关于是否存在单纯“独行疯子”（Lone Nut）的质疑，库尔特表示在这个社交媒体算法能精准诱导特定意识形态的时代，“其终极目标就是培养能够被远程激发的疯子”。
---
### [02:17:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8228s) 剑桥分析丑闻与地理围栏技术
谈话随即转向数据挖掘与大众操纵的技术现实，库尔特提到了在英国脱欧（Brexit）公投和2016年美国大选中声名大噪的“剑桥分析”（Cambridge Analytica）公司。杰米（Jamie Vernon）在屏幕上调出了该丑闻的历史资料：2018年曝光的调查显示，该公司利用脸书（Facebook）的第三方心理测试应用 API，不仅非法获取了测试者本人的数据，还连带抓取了其好友圈数千万用户的数据，最终在未经用户明确许可的情况下收集了多达 8700 万份用户画像，并以此建立心理图谱，为特鲁兹（Ted Cruz）及唐纳德·特朗普（Donald Trump）的竞选团队提供精准定向投放。
随后，库尔特谈及比剑桥分析更为激进的监控与诱导手段——地理围栏（Geo-fencing）技术。杰米展示了地理围栏的定义：利用 GPS、Wi-Fi、蜂窝网络数据或 RFID 在现实地理空间周围划定虚拟边界，当携带智能手机的用户进入或离开该区域时，系统会自动触发预设程序。
库尔特强调，有机构正利用这种技术针对特定目标（例如去教堂做礼拜的基督徒群体）进行算法轰炸：“如果你处于特定区域内，你的手机就会立刻开始向你推送特定的定向信息，逼你看他们想让你看的内容。”
- 剑桥分析丑闻最终导致 Meta（原 Facebook）被联邦贸易委员会处以 50 亿美元的天价罚款。
- 杰米补充提到，就在录制本期节目的当周，Meta 还在新墨西哥州法院面临着高达 250 亿美元的法律追偿诉讼，这一巨额数字直接印证了平台私自收割用户个人数据所蕴含的惊人经济价值。
### [02:20:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8405s) Meta 数据诉讼、远端神经监控与翻盖手机的退路
对话从刚刚发生的新闻事件切入。新墨西哥州法院刚在一场诉讼中裁定 Meta 败诉，因陪审团认定其在数据隐私实践方面误导了州内居民，命令其支付高达 250 亿美元的赔偿。众人提到这背后的数据收集逻辑与当年的剑桥分析（Cambridge Analytica）丑闻如出一辙。接着 Kurt Metzger 提到了一个代号为“Gideon”的项目，并回忆起过去在新闻中看到的奇怪现象——美国国土安全部或移民及海关执法局（ICE）在特拉维夫设立了办事处。他指出，由于某些技术在美国本土存在合规与法律障碍，海外机构实际上在进行“远端神经监控”（remote neural monitoring）等前沿实验。
Kurt 进一步延伸到前一晚给朋友展示过的“读脑耳机”。他强调技术如今已经进化到甚至不需要佩戴物理耳机：“你的整个身体都可以被用作电路。”手机通过分析和捕获大脑产生的神经电信号模式，配合 AI 算法进行解码，就能实现所谓的“读心”。许多普通人都有过仅在大脑中想过某件事、手机立刻推送相关广告的诡异体验。面对这种渗透到神经层面的无孔不入，Kurt Metzger 叹道自己准备换回毫无智能属性的传统翻盖手机：“I think I'm going to get a flip phone and I'm going to use my regular phone just to like get online and check my email.”
针对大众常说的“不做亏心事就没什么好藏的”，Joe Rogan 表达了强烈的鄙视。他回忆起自己曾与一位颇受尊重的友人讨论爱德华·斯诺登（Edward Snowden）揭露的 NSA 棱镜门事件，对方竟然轻描淡写地表示：“如果你没有什么要隐瞒的，谁在乎呢？”这让 Rogan 感到不可理喻。大家一致认为，用放弃隐私来换取所谓安全，不过是将控制权全盘拱手让给监控机制。
- 新墨西哥州法院裁决 Meta 赔偿 250 亿美元，罪名是在数据隐私保护上欺骗本州居民。
- Kurt 讨论了远端神经监控技术，指出 AI 算法通过捕捉与翻译大脑神经信号，让移动设备“读取思维”成为现实。
- 面对日益严重的监控，Kurt 提议日常使用翻盖机，仅在需要查收邮件时开启智能设备。
---
### [02:21:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8516s) AI 武器扫描仪、Flock 摄像头与滥用职权的监控系统
在搜索相关信息时，屏幕上调出了一则关于以色列初创公司的新闻：前“铁穹”（Iron Dome）雷达工程师开发出了一款基于雷达与 AI 的全自动武器扫描仪，据称每小时能在体育场馆、交通枢纽和机场对多达 25,000 人进行无感筛查。演播室成员探讨了这种设备如何在人流穿行时一眼识破藏在衣服下的枪支与刀具，Kurt 开玩笑称它甚至能扫描出是否割过包皮。年轻制作人员提到，俄亥俄州哥伦布市的哥伦布机员足球俱乐部（Columbus Crew）主场早已不再让观众逐一通过传统金属探测门，而是布置无感扫描仪，现场安保仅拦截那些触发红框警报的极少数人。表面上这是为了公众安全，但 Kurt 直言不讳地指出：“That's for you to keep you safe, but it's not. It's to keep the powers that be safe from you. That's what the real purpose is always.”
随后话题转向了已在美国街头广泛部署的 Flock 等 AI 监控摄像头系统。这类系统将机器学习模型直接叠加在公共安防探头上，自动识别车辆牌照、车型、行人轨迹，建立永久数据库，并允许随时调取一个人全天的行动路线。Joe Rogan 对此深感毛骨悚然，并揭露了基层执法人员对该系统的严重滥用现象：许多普通警察拥有随心所欲的后台登录权限，他们毫无正当办案理由，仅仅为了跟踪约会对象、监视前任女友，或是调查与其发生私人过节的普通市民，就随意动用全城天网追踪。Rogan 愤怒地指出，这种超级监控工具的访问门槛低得荒谬，本应受到极其严苛的审核与正当需求限制。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: Flock surveillance data access and abuse workflow
accDescr: Diagram showing how public camera feeds are processed by AI and improperly accessed by personnel.
subgraph DataCollection["数据收集与分析"]
A["城市公共摄像头 / Flock 监控探头"] --> B["AI 图像解析与行为追踪"]
B --> C["建立全天候行踪与车牌数据库"]
end
subgraph DataAccess["权限与日常滥用"]
C --> D["警务人员无障碍后台登录"]
D --> E["正当执法用途（极少受限）"]
D --> F["个人滥用（窥探约会对象、跟踪前任、私人恩怨搜查）"]
end
```
---
### [02:24:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8655s) 算法定点投喂、Google 操纵选票与合法化的内宣机制
Duncan Trussell 顺着监控话题指出了更恐怖的前景：当监控技术与商业广告、国家政治宣传无缝杂交时会发生什么。如果 Flock 探头发现你正走向某家商店的竞争对手门店内，系统立刻就能在手机上为你推送本店优惠；同理，结合地理围栏（geofencing）技术，如果系统识别出你常去的场所聚集了某种特定政治意识形态的人群，算法便能通过 Meta 等平台对你进行悄无声息的定点信息轰炸，逐步蚕食并扭曲你的认知，让你怀疑自己的常识。
Joe Rogan 随即提到了研究心理学专家罗伯特·爱泼斯坦（Robert Epstein）关于 Google 搜索操纵的核心成果。Epstein 的实验表明，通过在搜索结果中微调权重——例如搜索某位特定候选人时优先展示负面丑闻、涉及争议的报道，而搜索另一位候选人时则堆砌其人道主义与光鲜政绩——能够极为隐蔽地影响中间选民。Rogan 强调，在双方支持率胶着的关键大选中，单纯通过定制化搜索结果就能让高达 30% 摇摆不定的选民倒向某一侧，从而彻底操纵大选走向：“And that kind of tech should be illegal. Like clearly that should be illegal. And it's propaganda.”
对此，Duncan 指出此类舆论操作早已经被体制撕开了合法的口子。奥巴马政府在通过《史密斯-芒特现代化法案》（Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012）后，实际上合法化了对美国本土公民使用以往仅限海外开展的心理战与政治宣传手法。
对话最后陷入了对现代信息过载的深深疲倦与荒谬感。Duncan 指出，普通大众的神经系统已经被各种光怪陆离的真实事件搞到彻底超载——从草甘膦（glyphosate）、阿特拉津（atrazine）导致的生态与生理变异，到富兰克林丑闻（Franklin scandal）等耸人听闻的黑幕，普通人根本没有足够的精力逐一消化。Kurt 提出这是一场自上而下的金字塔式操控，甚至怀疑基因编辑技术（CRISPR）早已暗中应用了数十年，金字塔顶端的人群早已发生质的异化。三人以半开玩笑半绝望的调侃，感叹现代人不知还要在这座庞大的操纵迷宫中承受多久。
- 商业监控与政治地理围栏结合，可实现精准的认知重塑与思想干预。
- 罗伯特·爱泼斯坦的研究显示，Google 等搜索引擎通过操控搜索条目顺序，能够改变 30% 摇摆选民的投票倾向。
- 讨论提到《史密斯-芒特现代化法案》的修改，扫清了美国政府对本国公众投放宣传材料的法律限制。
- 各种层出不穷的环境污染问题与政治丑闻引发信息超载，削弱了公众对系统性操控的反抗意愿。
### [02:28:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=8884s) 华盛顿传闻与塔克·卡尔森的“恶魔论”
三人围绕政界名人和华盛顿 K 街的各种荒诞传闻展开了调侃。话题从政治人物的私生活传言切入，Kurt Metzger 戏谑地谈及林赛·格雷厄姆（Lindsey Graham）以及那些在政界流传的秘密性取向八卦，甚至提到了塔克·卡尔森（Tucker Carlson）此前在节目中声称皮特·布蒂吉格（Pete Buttigieg）“装同性恋”的荒唐说法。Joe Rogan 对此忍不住吐槽卡尔森有时纯粹是在信口开河，并指出卡尔森曾公开宣称原子弹根本不是人类制造的，而是某种恶魔力量的产物。
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 阴谋论与跨人类主义讨论脉络
accDescr: 展示从卡尔森的恶魔论到帕森斯的火箭神秘学，再到爱泼斯坦与跨人类主义的技术演进图景。
subgraph Mysticism["神秘学与外在力量"]
A["卡尔森观点<br/>核武器源于恶魔/超自然力量"] --> B["杰克·帕森斯与泰勒玛秘术<br/>喷气推进与神秘主义仪式"]
end
subgraph DeepState["现实阴谋与社会结构"]
B --> C["统治阶层的腐败机制<br/>恶劣程度超越黑手党"]
C --> D["爱泼斯坦网络<br/>全球性权力运作的单一节点"]
end
subgraph Transhumanism["意识形态与生物改造"]
D --> E["罗伯特·特里弗斯邮件<br/>资助跨性别生物学研究"]
E --> F["终极目标：跨人类主义<br/>库兹韦尔式的身体拆解与重构"]
end
```
谈及恶魔与神秘体验时，Duncan Trussell 承认自己曾经历过睡眠中的恶魔侵扰，Metzger 也附和表示在致幻剂体验中确实会感受到这种恐怖的压迫感。Rogan 认为卡尔森是个非常聪明的人，但他有时候会故意抛出一些带有虚构色彩的暴论来博眼球；而 Metzger 则反驳说，卡尔森或许是指那些技术背后受到的神秘启示，正如早期火箭科学史上那些将仪式与科学混杂在一起的人物一样。
- 谈到某些政客被揭秘的传闻时，Kurt Metzger 调侃道：“People need to learn that Republicans are gay.”（大家得明白，共和党人里有很多同性恋。）
- Joe Rogan 提到卡尔森对核武器的惊人论调，转述其原话：“He said, 'I don't believe people made them. I'll I'll never believe that despite what they tell me.'”
- 当大家探讨卡尔森是否真的相信这些玄学时，Metzger 解释其逻辑可能是指外在灵感的注入：“They channeled something.”（他们通灵引导了某种东西。）
---
### [02:30:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9033s) 杰克·帕森斯、泰勒玛教派与现实阴谋
话题顺势转向了火箭科学先驱杰克·帕森斯（Jack Parsons）及其与西方神秘学、性力巫术的渊源。Metzger 提到帕森斯在沙漠中进行古怪仪式来研发火箭推进剂的历史，并将他归为撒旦教徒。Trussell 随即进行了纠正，指出帕森斯并不是撒旦崇拜者，而是阿莱斯特·克劳利（Aleister Crowley）所创立的泰勒玛（Thelema）秘术门徒。他们还提到了山达基教创始人 L·罗恩·贺伯特（L. Ron Hubbard）与帕森斯当年的纠葛，戏称这种信息轰炸让人喘不过气。
随后，Rogan 与 Trussell 聊到 Metzger 这几年的转变，认为他在与 Jimmy Dore 一起做政治评论节目后，接触了太多阴谋论，导致看问题的视角变得极度灰暗。Metzger 激动地为自己辩解，强调这根本不是沉迷阴谋，而是每天面对的新闻与时事真相本身就是一场灾难。他直言掌控社会的利益集团和罪恶组织远比传统黑手党更肮脏、更庞大，无论是在儿童拐卖、资金洗钱还是食品供应链的草甘膦污染上，这种体系一旦运转就无法停歇。
- 面对 Trussell 关于他近年“变得不对劲”的调侃，Kurt Metzger 坚决否认自己只是在胡思乱想：“The true reality behind these current events is horrific.”（这些时事背后的真实面貌是极其恐怖的。）
- 谈及现代官僚与寡头体系的恶劣程度时，Metzger 直言不讳地对比道：“I don't think the Italian mafia is better than these people by a lot. I mean I credit where credit is due. Nowhere near as vile.”（意大利黑手党比这些人好太多了，黑手党可远远没有他们这么下作。）
---
### [02:33:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9189s) 爱泼斯坦的庞大网络与跨人类主义议程
讨论进一步深入到杰弗里·爱泼斯坦（Jeffrey Epstein）背后的隐秘势力。Metzger 回忆起与埃里克·韦恩斯坦（Eric Weinstein）在得克萨斯大学的对话，双方都认同爱泼斯坦绝非幕后总头目，而仅仅是一个更大网络中的关键节点。Metzger 援引埃里克·韦恩斯坦的原话表达了事件全貌暴露可能带来的毁灭性冲击：“If it all ever came out, it would end the world.”（如果一切真相大白，那将毁灭整个世界。）
随后，话题引向了布雷特·韦恩斯坦（Bret Weinstein）的学术导师、演化生物学家罗伯特·特里弗斯（Robert Trivers）与爱泼斯坦之间的往来邮件。根据被曝光的内容，特里弗斯曾就研究跨性别生物学向爱泼斯坦的基金会申请资金支持并表达感谢。Metzger 认为，当代寡头大力推崇性别流动和跨性别议题，其背后更深层的终极目标并非单纯的性别平权，而是通向“跨人类主义”（Transhumanism）。他认为打破现有的生物分类和肉体限制，正是为了迎合像雷·库兹韦尔（Ray Kurzweil）所设想的利用纳米机器人彻底解构并重组人类肉体的科技愿景。
- 讨论到爱泼斯坦资助科学界背后的企图时，Kurt Metzger 总结了跨性别议题与技术主义的联系：“The transgender thing is a stepping stone to transhumanism.”（跨性别这套东西只是通向跨人类主义的一块垫脚石。）
- Jamie 在屏幕上调出了媒体披露的调查材料，证实了生物学家特里弗斯在邮件中感谢爱泼斯坦提供资助，并承诺提交关于跨性别现象生物学研究的报告细节。
### [02:35:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9341s) 泄露邮件中的学术用语与争议言论
三人阅读并讨论了一段泄露的私人邮件往来，内容涉及进化生物学家罗伯特·特里弗斯（Robert Trivers）与杰弗里·爱泼斯坦（Jeffrey Epstein）之间的通信。邮件中出现了一些以生物学词汇物化跨性别女性的言论，作者甚至使用“生物体”（organism）来讨论身体构造与性吸引力。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）、库尔特·梅茨格（Kurt Metzger）与邓肯·特鲁塞尔（Duncan Trussell）就媒体将其定性为“去人性化”（dehumanizing）展开了半讽刺半分析的争论。梅茨格指出，使用这种冷酷、解剖式的词汇正是书呆子学者和科学家的典型表达方式，罗根则感叹道：“Also, whoever wrote this is not really getting to the heart of it.”
随着讨论深入，三人调侃这种私下邮件的语气既像大学校园里试图显得前卫的荒唐谈话，又充满学究式自我合理化的滑稽感。特鲁塞尔戏谑地指出，这种“不仅想要女性化外表又带有某种解剖学特征”的辩解，完全是把自己渴望的怪异癖好包装在所谓学术探讨外衣下的表现。
- 邮件中特里弗斯用“organism”形容跨性别者，引发现场关于科学用语是否直接等同于“去人性化”的探讨。
- 罗根质疑公开私人通信并按八卦周刊标准进行道德批判的媒体报道逻辑。
---
### [02:37:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9430s) 针对政治人物的网络传言与师生关系的社会双标
话题随后跳跃到右翼评论员坎迪斯·欧文斯（Candace Owens）在网络上炒作的国际政治人物阴谋论，特别是针对法国第一夫人布丽吉特·马克龙（Brigitte Macron）性别的恶俗传闻与法律诉讼威胁。梅茨格和罗根对这类离奇传闻的无休止发酵感到荒谬，同时借此延伸到了马克龙夫妇早年师生关系的年龄差距。罗根指出，公众对跨年龄关系的反应往往存在巨大的双重标准：“Well, because it's a different thing between a 40-year-old woman fucking a 14-year-old boy and a 40-year-old man fucking a 14-year-old boy.”
大家分析道，大众文化往往对成年女性诱奸青春期少年报以某种不严肃的戏谑心态，甚至像脱口秀笑话那样将其描绘为男孩被同伴“击掌祝贺”的艳遇；然而如果角色调换，变成四十多岁的中学校队教练侵犯十五岁的女啦啦队员，公众会立即愤怒地要求将施害者绳之以法。
- 提及脱口秀演员扎克·加利凡纳基斯（Zach Galifianakis）关于女教师与四分卫学生的经典段子（“his buddies high-fived him to death”）。
- 对比了社会对不同性别施害者在涉及未成年人性侵案件中截然相反的情感与法律审判态度。
---
### [02:38:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9508s) 权力不对等与未成年创伤：Mary Kay Letourneau 案例讨论
梅茨格收敛了笑谑态度，严肃反思自己多年前在舞台上拿类似事件开粗俗玩笑的经历。他回忆道，曾有一位观众在演出后私下走上前对他坦白：“I got, when I was a kid, when I was like 12 or something, I got fucked by an adult woman, and it fucked me up, and I'm still fucked up.” 梅茨格直言，即便处于荷尔蒙躁动的青春期少年表面上对年长异性充满幻想，成年人利用巨大的年龄与心理权力不对等去操纵未成年人，留下的心理创伤是真实且持久的。
三人回顾了历史上著名的玛丽·凯·勒图尔诺（Mary Kay Letourneau）案。这位华盛顿州的小学女教师因性侵年仅十二岁的小学六年级学生维利·富阿拉奥（Vili Fualaau）而入狱，出狱后二人甚至正式结婚并育有两个孩子，但多年后依然以分居和离婚收场。罗根与梅茨格强调，这种利用心智未成熟少年缺乏防备的操纵行为极其扭曲，任何家长得知自己的孩子遭遇此类控制都会出离愤怒。
- 讨论强调未成年人的心智无法承受成年人带有掠夺性质的权力操控，这种遭遇往往导致长期心理后遗症。
- 谈及玛丽·凯·勒图尔诺与学生出狱后的婚姻及最终在长达二十余年后破裂的事实。
---
### [02:41:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6iW7XDEHc&t=9706s) 播客结语、海象骨玩笑与演出宣发
罗根打断话题表示自己急需上厕所，提议正式结束录制。他真诚地盛赞特鲁塞尔与梅茨格搭档主持的新播客《Mystery Boys》，表达了对二人化学反应的高度认可：“Mystery Boys is an awesome podcast. You guys are great together.” 随后现场气氛再次回到荒诞的互损之中，罗根调侃特鲁塞尔要“妥善处理假海象阴茎骨（baculum）”，并开玩笑提议私下把真骨头换给他，惹得特鲁塞尔打趣称妻子珍娜（Jenna）绝对不会允许这种东西出现在家里。
在节目的最后几分钟，两位嘉宾分别宣传了各自的最新动向与衍生商品概念：
```mermaid
flowchart TD
accTitle: 嘉宾后续项目与活动汇总
accDescr: 结构展示 Kurt Metzger 与 Duncan Trussell 的播客、周边构想以及线下演出日程
subgraph Podcasts ["播客与网络节目"]
P1["Mystery Boys 播客<br/>(Kurt & Duncan 共同主持)"]
P2["The Experts<br/>(YouTube 喜剧项目)"]
end
subgraph Merch ["周边概念"]
M1["Based Hoe Shop 创意 T 恤<br/>(恶搞 Bass Pro Shops 标识)"]
end
subgraph LiveShows ["线下演出日程"]
L1["底特律 Mic Drop Comedy<br/>(周五、周六、周日连续演出)"]
end
Podcasts --> Merch
Podcasts --> LiveShows
```
- 梅茨格宣传了其在 YouTube 上线的喜剧新内容《The Experts》。
- 嘉宾们恶搞户外品牌 Bass Pro Shops，构想了一款印有女性与鱼身图案的“Based Hoe Shop”文化衫。
- 梅茨格通知观众自己接下来的巡演日程，他将于周五至周日连续三天在底特律的 Mic Drop Comedy 俱乐部登台献艺。三人在轻松欢快的道别声中切断了录制。
## Video description
Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell are comedians and co-hosts of the "Mystery Boys" podcast. They also host their respective podcasts, "The Derp with Kurp" and "The Duncan Trussell Family Hour."
https://www.ymhstudios.com/mystery-boys-podcast/
https://www.youtube.com/@duncantrussellfamilyhour
https://www.duncantrussell.com
https://www.youtube.com/@kurtmetzgercomedy
https://www.kurtmetzgercomedy.com
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Original transcript
[0:01] Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
[0:03] >> The Joe Rogan Experience.
[0:06] >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY
[0:08] NIGHT. All day.
[0:12] >> Hey. So, hey fellas.
[0:15] >> Hey, what's up?
[0:16] >> So, what is this internet thing? Explain
[0:18] this to me. I didn't want to do it off
[0:19] the air.
[0:20] >> I think Jamie should explain it because
[0:21] it's it's out of my league. It's
[0:22] something to do with PHP certificates,
[0:26] some ability to counterfeit websites.
[0:28] You go into a website and it does some
[0:30] kind of check and this thing is a a
[0:33] massive security flaw that's existed I
[0:36] think for 14 years, right Jamie? Like 14
[0:39] years.
[0:39] >> There's the I saw so what I I just saw
[0:42] this popping up yesterday online like a
[0:44] bunch of
[0:45] >> warnings from a bunch of different
[0:46] Twitter accounts including the FBI Cyber
[0:48] Division.
[0:49] >> Let's read this. FBI Cyber Division. Two
[0:50] critical vulnerabilities have been
[0:52] identified in PHP, a widely used
[0:55] programming language that powers
[0:56] websites and web applications. These
[0:58] vulnerabilities
[1:00] uh blah blah blah uh could allow
[1:02] malicious cyber actors to remotely
[1:05] execute code and PHP core potentially
[1:08] compromising sensitive data and
[1:09] networks. FBI urges organizations to
[1:12] take the following steps now. So it
[1:14] tells you all the things to stay to do
[1:16] to so we're [ __ ] So, what's what's
[1:19] happening is uh AI is eventually going
[1:22] to figure out the code of everything
[1:23] that exists and there will be no more
[1:26] encryption. That's going to be gone.
[1:28] There's going to be no more passwords.
[1:31] That'll be useless. Yeah.
[1:32] >> And it's going to get very squirly
[1:34] because money is online.
[1:35] >> Haven't they already uh made that? I
[1:37] mean, that octopus scandal was all about
[1:39] that back door they put into everything
[1:41] way back when. So,
[1:42] >> what is the octopus scandal? Which one's
[1:44] that?
[1:44] >> You know, Octop it's connected. Epstein
[1:46] all them. It was like security.
[1:48] >> You always do that. You You know, you
[1:49] know.
[1:50] >> I feel like you had a guest.
[1:51] >> I don't But not octopus. Have you heard
[1:54] of that before?
[1:54] >> Yeah. There's a whole documentary on
[1:55] that.
[1:56] >> Yeah. The octopus murders.
[1:57] >> Oh, the octopus murders. That's
[1:59] connected to that. Oh, okay. So,
[2:01] >> I watched one episode of that or the
[2:04] beginning of it. I didn't watch the
[2:05] whole I heard it's [ __ ] incredible,
[2:07] >> but I watched a little bit to like slash
[2:10] both his like the way he committed
[2:12] suicide,
[2:13] >> right?
[2:13] >> It's very suspicious. Like the Enron
[2:15] whistleblower that shot himself in the
[2:17] head twice.
[2:18] >> Yeah,
[2:18] >> that guy's
[2:19] >> Did he shoot himself in the head twice?
[2:20] >> Twice.
[2:20] >> Twice.
[2:21] >> Like Gary Really? Like the guy like
[2:23] >> like Gary Webb? Gary Webb did it twice.
[2:25] No, maybe the Enron guy didn't it. Maybe
[2:26] I'm just thinking of Gary Webb.
[2:28] >> Well, the the uh
[2:29] >> I might be intoxicated.
[2:30] >> Who's the one the Clintons? They always
[2:31] say
[2:33] >> uh that one's Vince Foster. That's a
[2:36] [ __ ] weird one, man. The strange
[2:38] death of Vince Foster is a great book.
[2:41] >> What's that? I read that book in like
[2:42] [ __ ] it was like the early 2000.
[2:44] >> I think that guy was on Jimmy show just
[2:45] recently and I didn't know that and he
[2:47] was saying no the Clintons didn't didn't
[2:49] do it. They took the blame for it but no
[2:51] it's some FBI associated gang
[2:53] trafficking gang that did it. He
[2:55] probably didn't want to go along with
[2:56] with the thing that they're all into you
[2:58] know.
[2:58] >> Well perhaps there was probably a bunch
[3:00] of factors right because for sure while
[3:03] Clinton was governor of Arkansas that's
[3:05] when all that Barry Seal stuff was going
[3:07] on in Mina Arkansas where they're
[3:08] dropping off coke. So, right. So,
[3:11] there's that for sure, but then there's
[3:13] also that uh that scheme that they were
[3:16] doing, that real estate real estate
[3:18] scandal.
[3:18] >> He wasn't shot twice, but there is uh
[3:21] weird stuff.
[3:21] >> Oh, wait. I for tell you the most.
[3:22] >> So, the Gary Webb was the one who got
[3:24] shot in the head, right?
[3:25] >> Vince Foster, this is the thing that
[3:26] blew my mind because and Jimmy sat on
[3:29] this for a year because he thought it
[3:30] sounded too far out. This interview I
[3:31] and I couldn't believe when I saw it.
[3:33] the guy when he was researching uh there
[3:36] was a reporter that was like a supposed
[3:38] like you know like a how I consider Ben
[3:40] Swan to be a good guy reporter like
[3:42] supposedly like that but he wasn't he
[3:43] was a piece of [ __ ] helping cover it up
[3:45] according to according to this guy and
[3:47] that guy's name that reporter was Chris
[3:49] Ruddy who's now the guy who runs
[3:51] Newsmax.
[3:52] >> Wow.
[3:53] >> He's a billionaire now.
[3:55] >> That's what this guy said. Now I can't
[3:56] tell you proven and whatever but
[3:58] >> how did a news reporter become a
[3:59] billionaire? Um, I'm sure legitimately.
[4:05] >> I'm sure there's nothing, you know, I
[4:06] don't want to be totally normal.
[4:07] >> I get pegged as one of these conspiracy
[4:09] guys, which I'm not. I just
[4:11] >> You're definitely not at all.
[4:12] >> Not at all. Um, so was the Whitewater
[4:14] real estate scandal that Vince Foster
[4:16] was also entangled in. So, there was
[4:18] like there was a lot going down with
[4:20] that. And then they found him dead, but
[4:22] there was more blood missing from his
[4:24] body than was at the scene of the crime.
[4:26] His body clearly had been moved. Also,
[4:28] the gun was in his hand. This guy wrote
[4:30] it. This [ __ ] wrote the book.
[4:32] He's in on the cover up. That guy was
[4:33] telling us. Yo,
[4:34] >> that's amazing. That's amazing.
[4:37] >> That's amazing. Cuz that book is really
[4:39] So now I have to rethink everything that
[4:42] I read in that book.
[4:43] >> I take that interview, dude. You should
[4:44] watch cuz that guy was really
[4:46] fascinating. And I I had never even
[4:47] thought about Vince Foster for a long
[4:49] time.
[4:49] >> Well, it's like what they always say
[4:50] Trump is doing. He's doing 4D chess.
[4:53] Like these guys are like some some
[4:54] people are
[4:55] >> But just not in your favor, idiots,
[4:56] >> right?
[4:57] >> Yeah. Yeah, it's not
[4:58] >> he's doing 40 chess where he tells you
[4:59] everything. Remember he came on here and
[5:01] he was like sounding pretty good and
[5:02] then immediately uh rugpulled everyone
[5:05] like how long that take
[5:07] >> the rug pull of Trump would you say?
[5:09] >> How long in Iran?
[5:11] >> The war in Iran was a what? A year.
[5:13] >> Yeah, he waited a year.
[5:14] >> Well, then we have the stupid um war on
[5:17] narco terror which is always fake.
[5:18] Anybody talking about that is a [ __ ]
[5:20] lion phony. So the Department of War,
[5:23] the guy who's got all the brill cream in
[5:25] his [ __ ] hair and the Templar
[5:26] tattoos.
[5:27] >> Exith.
[5:27] >> That's right.
[5:28] >> Got his name.
[5:30] >> Yeah. Exith.
[5:31] >> So that But you think the war on drugs
[5:34] is fake? Like when they're blowing up
[5:35] those What do you think is going on?
[5:37] >> Uh I think at most it probably marijuana
[5:40] guys not even going to America. The idea
[5:42] of Venezuelan cocaine is prop. I I used
[5:44] to do a lot of coke, dude. I heard every
[5:46] kind of cocaine. Never heard no
[5:48] Venezuelan coke.
[5:48] >> That's true. I've never heard of
[5:49] Venezuela. Pure Venezuelan, dude.
[5:51] >> Is it only Venezuela that they were
[5:53] blowing up those boats?
[5:54] >> Well, maybe they were moving people
[5:56] through Venezuel you already know this.
[5:58] I
[5:59] >> But I think they were probably trying to
[6:01] [ __ ] their money train before they
[6:04] invaded them. Oh, I was reading about
[6:05] what they did to them.
[6:07] >> What?
[6:07] >> Oh my god. The weapon, the brain bleed.
[6:10] >> Oh, it's like swells your [ __ ] up.
[6:12] >> Yeah. They said it doesn't It's
[6:13] non-lethal in a sense cuz it doesn't
[6:15] actually kill you.
[6:18] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the stuff they use in
[6:19] Venezuela. But you're [ __ ] done.
[6:22] >> They boil your brain.
[6:23] >> They boil your ass.
[6:24] >> I don't think they did use I think
[6:25] Maduro and his wife, they got their
[6:26] asset out of there cuz the the regime is
[6:28] still in place. By the way, I don't even
[6:30] know what the point would be of taking
[6:31] him out if you still have the same
[6:33] >> regime. Take this one step at a time.
[6:35] >> Pentagon allows DHS to test a heat ray
[6:38] weapon for possible use at the border.
[6:40] >> Wow.
[6:40] >> Okay. But what is the Find out that
[6:42] thing that they
[6:43] >> discombobulator?
[6:44] >> The discombobulator.
[6:45] >> Yeah. Is that what they're calling it?
[6:46] But they were talking about it today.
[6:48] like what it actually does. Yeah. Yeah.
[6:50] Yeah. Well, at least on this article
[6:52] that someone sent me on Twitter,
[6:53] >> doesn't it raise the temperature of your
[6:55] like cells by a little bit or something?
[6:57] It just like fries your
[7:00] >> microwave. It's a microwave.
[7:02] >> It's just they were saying that it
[7:03] doesn't kill you. So, it's non-lethal
[7:05] technically,
[7:06] >> but you're never the same.
[7:07] >> You're [ __ ] You have your face.
[7:09] [ __ ] shotguns are they say less than
[7:11] lethal. I thought
[7:12] >> the bean bags are not as scary as the
[7:14] rubber bullets. The rubber bullets take
[7:16] your eyes out. Those take your eyes out.
[7:18] There's people have lost eyeballs to
[7:19] rubber and people they shoot you right
[7:22] back everywhere.
[7:23] >> But the story that people report when
[7:25] Venezuela was invaded is insane. Like
[7:28] these like super soldiers with these
[7:30] weird [ __ ] headsets on. Everyone's
[7:33] falling down [ __ ] their pants. Their
[7:35] eyes are bleeding.
[7:36] >> I bet that's not true.
[7:37] >> I bet it is true. So those super soldier
[7:39] helmets, that's the
[7:40] >> I'm sure they have that. I'm not saying
[7:41] they don't.
[7:42] >> The heat rays the story.
[7:42] >> I'm saying I don't think they used it
[7:43] there.
[7:44] >> Last 24 hours. trying to type a
[7:45] non-lethal weapon.
[7:47] >> Right. Right. Right. But I'm saying what
[7:48] they used in Venezuela. They were
[7:50] discussing specifically like what they
[7:52] used in Venezuela as a non-lethal
[7:56] weapon. Venezuela.
[8:02] >> Yeah.
[8:03] >> Trump administration. So this is
[8:05] different. I think heat gun
[8:07] >> because they're already testing it. They
[8:08] [ __ ] did this already in the
[8:10] Venezuela stuff.
[8:13] whatever it was, whoever was talking
[8:15] about it. I should probably have saved
[8:16] it.
[8:18] I'm just trying to stay offline. I'm
[8:20] just trying to keep
[8:20] >> Are you really? How How many How many
[8:23] hours of screen time do you think you
[8:25] you're doing a day?
[8:26] >> I do. I still watch stuff, but it's
[8:28] mostly YouTube videos.
[8:30] >> Okay.
[8:30] >> That most of my use on my phone if I'm
[8:32] bored is YouTube videos.
[8:34] >> Yeah.
[8:34] >> And it's all pretty either educational
[8:37] or interesting.
[8:38] >> If you had to guess social media, how
[8:39] many how
[8:40] >> an hour a day? That's That's admirable.
[8:43] >> I'm trying.
[8:44] >> What's the average screen time, Jamie?
[8:46] Do they have
[8:46] >> five or six hours?
[8:47] >> That's insane.
[8:48] >> Yeah, it's probably five or six hours.
[8:50] And on good days, I have zero hours.
[8:52] Good days, I just stay completely off of
[8:53] it.
[8:54] >> Those are the best days.
[8:54] >> But today wasn't a good day. Today, I
[8:56] got up early, had to take my kid
[8:58] somewhere, and then I got up in the
[9:00] morning and did a little work. Then I
[9:02] was tired, and I took a [ __ ] and that's
[9:04] when I started watching my phone. Then I
[9:06] watched my phone a little bit, and I'm
[9:07] like, "All right, I got to get to work."
[9:08] >> Yeah. But it was like after eating
[9:10] breakfast and sitting there with your
[9:11] phone on, you just feel like such a
[9:13] loser. You're like seven hours time.
[9:16] >> Seven [ __ ] hours a day.
[9:17] >> I'm usually editing.
[9:18] >> That's crazy.
[9:20] >> It would be fair to me in my hours.
[9:22] >> 49 hours a week.
[9:23] >> Now imagine kids with no self-control
[9:26] and uh teachers that aren't paying
[9:27] attention so they have access to them at
[9:29] school.
[9:29] >> Oh yeah,
[9:29] >> dude. Even if they aren't paying
[9:30] attention, it's not good. It's nothing
[9:32] good. It's all poison coming in.
[9:35] >> Most of it's poison. Most of it's
[9:36] poison. But you can curate it and make
[9:39] it not poison if you're just smart with
[9:41] what you do. Like I get something out of
[9:44] YouTube videos. I get something out of
[9:45] like things that are interesting like
[9:47] ancient history stuff and stuff on
[9:49] cosmology and astronomy. That stuff's
[9:52] interesting to me. I I'm always going to
[9:53] like look at those. I'm just fascinated.
[9:56] >> Do you guys remember the Sorry to cut
[9:58] you off. Do you guys remember the
[9:59] YouTube Spider-Man videos? Do you
[10:02] remember those?
[10:04] Elsa is one of the reasons for the
[10:06] apocalyp.
[10:06] >> Can you pull that up, Jamie? Do you mind
[10:08] pulling up the Spider-Man Elsa videos,
[10:10] which is, if you left your kid on
[10:12] YouTube long enough before they changed
[10:14] it, it was like a slippery slope that
[10:17] led to increasingly [ __ ] up videos and
[10:20] no one was sure where these videos were
[10:21] coming from,
[10:22] >> right?
[10:22] >> And that it was it was and they
[10:24] >> You know what the final explanation was?
[10:26] >> What?
[10:27] >> Um, so this is this is the one that I
[10:29] would have explained it with is okay. So
[10:32] they basically use an algorithm. They
[10:33] know kids psychologically are fascinated
[10:35] with like getting a shot or pregnancy or
[10:38] whatever
[10:38] >> or violence
[10:39] >> or violence or bugs and they mix it
[10:41] together into gibberish that's colorful
[10:43] so the kids stay on it
[10:45] >> and then Okay, so that's like the main
[10:47] and probably pretty reasonable but I
[10:49] think that's testing something too. I I
[10:50] don't think it was just
[10:52] >> oh it was just these greedy people were
[10:53] doing a thing. There is no way something
[10:55] like that exists that our f our our
[10:57] government didn't learn everything they
[10:59] could about and how to weaponize. And
[11:01] also it was probably them.
[11:02] >> It gave you Can you find an actual
[11:04] cartoon of it, Jamie? Cuz it gave you a
[11:06] weird feeling watching them like it felt
[11:08] bad.
[11:09] >> There was a lot of the cartoons they'd
[11:10] get drunk and someone would smash their
[11:12] head and there'd be blood all over the
[11:13] place.
[11:14] >> They get a shot or Spider-Man's pregnant
[11:16] and then after he gives birth he's so
[11:18] relieved like he took
[11:19] >> Spider-Man got pregnant.
[11:20] >> No, they're gibberish things. But that's
[11:22] to go right to the subconscious.
[11:23] >> Wasn't there some of those things where
[11:25] they showed that pedophiles were
[11:27] communicating with each other in the
[11:29] comments?
[11:30] >> They were like using comments and most
[11:32] of the things for kids.
[11:33] >> They were just so like
[11:35] >> Roblox and every other thing like that.
[11:36] >> They'd have like kid videos like you
[11:38] know kids in a swimming pool and then
[11:40] they would in the comments would be the
[11:42] exact time where if you went to that
[11:44] frame you could see a kid's ass. Like
[11:47] that's what they were doing is so that
[11:48] you'd have to suspicious. know that
[11:50] >> watching the whole watching the whole
[11:52] video.
[11:52] >> What's the time stamp? If that's a test,
[11:54] if you know, then you're going to jail.
[11:55] >> The time stamp generally 3:22
[11:59] >> generally.
[12:02] >> Is there a number that's attached to
[12:03] like pedophile stuff? Like 420 is
[12:05] attached to weed.
[12:06] >> I don't know. Probably.
[12:07] >> They probably know like 187 is murder.
[12:10] >> Probably. It seems like they got a lot
[12:11] of code words for sure.
[12:12] >> Oh, for sure.
[12:13] >> It's a whole thriving underground.
[12:15] >> Pizza. Beef jerky.
[12:16] >> Yep.
[12:17] >> Right. Yeah, you know, pizza also could
[12:18] be cocaine.
[12:19] >> They should Whoever the [ __ ] wrote those
[12:21] emails that's alive, they should be
[12:23] brought into a room publicly. Like, what
[12:25] are you talking about?
[12:26] >> Yeah. Why hasn't that happened?
[12:28] >> Nick, he decided he didn't do anything.
[12:29] >> What is What is beef jerky? Yeah, they
[12:31] didn't. That guy just I met him once.
[12:36] >> His neighbors do him for like 20 years.
[12:38] >> He had a massage table in his living
[12:39] room. My wife said, "This man's gross."
[12:41] >> Yeah. And we left. And we left.
[12:44] >> And then the emails come out. How many
[12:45] emails did he have with the guy?
[12:47] >> I don't know. Bringing a ton of kids
[12:48] there to the person who's so creepy.
[12:50] He's bringing all all their kids and
[12:51] some other kids.
[12:52] >> It's just a vacation.
[12:53] >> Ages. Yeah.
[12:54] >> Relax.
[12:55] >> You know, when you go on vacation,
[12:56] you're a guy.
[12:58] >> You bring extra kids when you go on
[12:59] vacation, right?
[13:00] >> Just the beach
[13:01] >> to a creep's house. A guy that you said
[13:02] was really creepy.
[13:03] >> Spare tires. Someone dies.
[13:05] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[13:06] >> Extra kids.
[13:07] >> Yeah. It's really spooky, man. And it's
[13:10] really
[13:11] >> bizarre.
[13:11] >> And but now the new You know what the
[13:13] new thing is? is is like stop talking
[13:15] about Epstein.
[13:17] >> Is that the new thing?
[13:18] >> Well, yeah. Fuentes has been saying that
[13:20] like Fuentes has been saying
[13:21] >> not just him. A lot of Chris Ruddy uh uh
[13:24] Israel trip takers like your Gavin
[13:25] Mcinnesses and what have you.
[13:27] >> Okay. But devil's advocate,
[13:29] >> please. Why are they doing that? If do
[13:32] you think it's possibly that they think,
[13:34] hey, look, nothing's going to change.
[13:36] This Epstein stuff is a giant
[13:37] distraction. There's real [ __ ] we should
[13:39] be paying attention to right now, like
[13:41] the midterms, like Iran, like whatever
[13:43] the [ __ ] is happening in France, like
[13:45] all the stuff.
[13:46] >> Question. So, you're saying the the
[13:49] cannibal pedophile thing is less of a
[13:51] real thing than the midterms?
[13:53] >> No, what I'm saying is the people that
[13:55] are online that are, you know, air quote
[13:57] influencers and people talking about the
[13:59] news,
[13:59] >> they're doing it on purpose cuz they're
[14:01] paid. Then the morons that go along with
[14:03] it say the thing you're saying
[14:04] >> perhaps, but this is why I'm saying
[14:06] devil's advocate. So, like if you're
[14:08] asking
[14:08] >> specul
[14:10] >> that's a fake one. We have a real one.
[14:12] >> I feel like a fraud now because I know
[14:13] it is.
[14:13] >> I think is it on the uh the sea serpent
[14:17] table out there?
[14:18] >> Last time.
[14:19] >> The sea serpent tables where you keep
[14:20] your back.
[14:21] >> Bro, have you seen that table? Oh, it's
[14:22] the dopest. That guy, the dowo, the guy
[14:24] that did our the guy that did our table
[14:26] in our green room at the club with the
[14:28] snake. That guy's amazing, man. He did.
[14:31] Do we have a Oh, dude. He's so good.
[14:34] He's so good. He's made me an alligator.
[14:35] There's an alligator out there. that's
[14:37] like surfacing out of the water that I I
[14:39] have in the pool room. But on the table
[14:41] there's a sea serpent one and it's the
[14:43] [ __ ] [ __ ] man. It's got boats and
[14:46] the sea serpent's coming out of the
[14:47] water. We have a video of it, right? I
[14:48] think there's a video of it on my
[14:49] Instagram.
[14:50] >> I'm down.
[14:54] Hold on. But before we get to that,
[14:55] please pause and find that um that
[14:59] table. I just while we're on the
[15:00] subject, I'll forget it cuz I want to
[15:01] give this guy some credit cuz he's uh
[15:04] he's really [ __ ] good. He's super
[15:05] talented. I love you got a sea serpent
[15:07] table with a authentic walrus dick on
[15:09] it.
[15:10] >> Well, the walrus dick was given to me by
[15:13] Steven Reanella.
[15:14] >> So, this is uh this is it is it's the
[15:18] dowo.
[15:19] >> Oh, that's cool.
[15:20] >> So, that's the table that's in our
[15:22] studio. That's the one that we had to
[15:25] saw in half to get up the stairs
[15:26] >> because we It was originally for the It
[15:29] was originally for here rather for the
[15:31] studio and then I said that belongs in
[15:33] the comedy club that really belongs as
[15:35] the green room. Find the the sea serpent
[15:37] one though, Jamie.
[15:39] >> He made me a I think that's it. Hold on.
[15:41] Go to the left. That's it right there.
[15:43] Click on that.
[15:44] >> That's it.
[15:45] >> Look at that [ __ ] thing. Look, it's
[15:47] got a boat and look at the sea serpent
[15:49] coming out of the water. This is where
[15:50] it gets crazy at the end.
[15:52] Oh, that's not ours.
[15:53] >> It's not exactly ours.
[15:54] >> That's not exactly ours. That's just
[15:55] another one. That's another one. That's
[15:58] pretty cool. I thought that was our Oh,
[15:59] that's an octopus one. That's different.
[16:01] >> That's awesome, dude. The
[16:02] >> He's insane. Scott Dao. He's really
[16:05] [ __ ] talented.
[16:06] >> Oh, look at the bottom. It's underneath
[16:07] it, too. That's cool.
[16:09] >> Oh, dude. He's so sick. And he does a
[16:11] lot of it. The beginning work, he does
[16:13] it all with chainsaws, man.
[16:14] >> Wow.
[16:15] >> Does he have like smaller like a number
[16:17] two chainsaw? That's a smaller.
[16:19] >> Well, he gets down to the nitty-gritty
[16:21] and then he starts using complex tools,
[16:23] but um Okay, it's before that.
[16:27] >> Swimming dog. Classic swimming dog
[16:29] table.
[16:30] >> We've had it for a few years now, so
[16:31] this is only like six months ago.
[16:33] >> I know, but he reposts stuff. I follow
[16:36] him on Instagram. Um he's super [ __ ]
[16:40] talented though, man. He does a lot of
[16:41] these now. When we blew him up on the
[16:43] internet, he uh he got real popular. He
[16:47] was real popular, right?
[16:48] >> Oh, I know a guy that makes his dick
[16:49] bones.
[16:50] >> It's on my Instagram.
[16:52] >> What is that made out of? Scott Bullet.
[16:54] >> Is that made out of bone? Scott?
[16:56] >> No, that's fake. That's fake. But the
[16:58] one we have outside is actually
[17:00] >> But it's a sound design.
[17:01] >> Fossilized
[17:03] giant walrus dick.
[17:05] >> But what's the material? Sorry.
[17:07] >> Originally, it was a bone.
[17:08] >> No, he Oh, that's
[17:10] >> This is some kind of wood. It's fake.
[17:12] >> I mean, who cares? It's a fraud.
[17:14] >> Are you sure? Can I feel it? You sure
[17:16] it's fake?
[17:16] >> Go ahead. This is the tip. I'm actually
[17:18] holding the tip. You're holding the
[17:19] base.
[17:20] >> A lot of It's just
[17:21] >> Let me smell it.
[17:22] >> Oh god.
[17:22] >> Does it smell right?
[17:23] >> No, it does smell fake.
[17:25] >> It tastes weird, too, dude. I noticed
[17:26] that right away.
[17:28] >> Fake water from a
[17:29] >> I noticed it tasted weird the second I
[17:31] had it.
[17:32] >> How many How many guys have fisted each
[17:33] other with one of these? For sure. More
[17:35] than one.
[17:36] >> Usually we sit on these and do it.
[17:37] >> Many. But if you have a bulum and I have
[17:40] a bulum, okay, then it's not as rare as
[17:42] we think because we both have them and
[17:44] you didn't know I had one,
[17:46] >> right? You saw how many guys.
[17:47] >> You got me good with that one.
[17:48] >> So, how many guys have stuffed these up
[17:49] their ass? That's the question. More
[17:51] than
[17:51] >> Well, because Texas I was just thinking
[17:53] >> Yeah, easily. Easily.
[17:54] >> Don't you know what's that joke you have
[17:57] about Texas has stronger has stronger uh
[17:59] uh dildo laws than gun laws?
[18:01] >> Yeah.
[18:02] >> That's I mean, it does. And so this is
[18:04] the kind of thing that I think is going
[18:05] to will it leads to you. If they can't
[18:07] get it in the shops, they're going to
[18:08] get it from walrus back.
[18:10] >> That's right.
[18:10] >> Yeah. Or they're going to carve their
[18:11] own, you know, good oldfashioned
[18:13] ingenuity prison style knowow.
[18:15] >> This is Is this more of a Taller Rico or
[18:17] the other guy issue?
[18:19] >> Walrus Bulum cane with 24 coward
[18:22] goldplated handle.
[18:23] >> Wow. Is that the former owner?
[18:25] >> Yeah. Look at him.
[18:26] >> I had this in my rectum.
[18:30] >> Starting bid only 10 bucks. Well, that's
[18:32] that's a good deal.
[18:33] >> Oh, this is a long time ago. This is 24.
[18:36] >> Oh, from God's ear to my taint
[18:38] >> and a photo of Wayne Hudson, original
[18:41] owner.
[18:42] >> Um,
[18:42] >> the current bid is only 128.
[18:44] >> Take a picture of me and keep it with
[18:46] this whale dick. Uh, can that
[18:48] >> you got to put headphones on so we could
[18:49] all hear each other, otherwise we're
[18:50] going to talk over.
[18:51] >> I was looking for Elsagate. It said keep
[18:53] seeing videos from about a year ago
[18:54] where it's saying Elsagate 3.0 is
[18:56] starting up and a bunch of AI videos are
[18:58] being used to make it. And then again,
[18:59] >> I was trying to like cut in because I
[19:01] saw this pop up and I was like, "What
[19:03] the [ __ ] is this?"
[19:05] >> Oh my god.
[19:06] >> These candy.
[19:07] >> It's part of
[19:07] >> Is that AI? That's AI.
[19:09] >> It's not. I don't I mean,
[19:10] >> I don't want to see this, Jamie. I don't
[19:11] want to see that.
[19:12] >> It's not real though, is it?
[19:13] >> It's not.
[19:14] >> Oh my [ __ ] And so you leave your kid
[19:16] sitting in front of the TV, they're
[19:18] going to end up seeing a little red
[19:19] canary get decapitated. That's why you
[19:22] can't.
[19:22] >> But then it turns into candy, so it's
[19:23] okay.
[19:24] >> Yeah, that's true.
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[20:28] >> [ __ ] weird, man.
[20:29] >> It's [ __ ] weird. This
[20:31] >> What are those videos? What do you think
[20:33] is the Somebody had to put effort into
[20:34] these. Well, yeah. It's a It's to speak
[20:37] the subconscious. It's like a Twilight
[20:39] language.
[20:39] >> So, what do you think it's doing to your
[20:41] kids? Like, what what what is the goal?
[20:43] It's discombobulating them. It's giving
[20:45] them nightmares. It's like he's saying
[20:46] it's getting deep into your
[20:48] >> turn into a [ __ ] gender blob.
[20:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of
[20:52] [ __ ] the person who like
[20:53] >> this is all the shooters probably
[20:55] they're watching as kids. Go back to
[20:57] that. What? The pregnant Spider-Man.
[20:58] >> No, this is [ __ ] that in MK Ultra in the
[21:00] 50s, you'd have to watch. You'd be
[21:02] forced to watch it all night. the sex
[21:03] videos like
[21:04] >> ping pong balls on your eyes and have to
[21:06] watch that [ __ ]
[21:07] >> and and they just get pumped out. Like
[21:09] that's what's weird about it is they
[21:10] just appear. These channels appear, they
[21:12] get populated with these bizarre
[21:14] animations, they disappear, they
[21:16] reappear.
[21:17] >> Well, what's really weird is they
[21:18] started coming out before AI was even
[21:19] available. So, somebody had to put some
[21:21] money into making those cartoons.
[21:22] >> That's right.
[21:23] >> [ __ ] And also, there's a lot of
[21:25] animation in in Vietnam. A lot of people
[21:28] send their [ __ ] to get animated there.
[21:29] So,
[21:30] >> hey, um how about this? So, we already
[21:32] know the damage just growing up with
[21:34] Disney cartoons did to everyone.
[21:36] >> We already see the damage of that.
[21:38] >> What did it do?
[21:39] >> Oh, Disney adults for one thing. Do you
[21:40] think that's a thing that should exist?
[21:42] >> You don't think that's
[21:43] >> They're happy.
[21:45] >> They're happy. If they weren't doing
[21:47] that, they'd be trading coins. SAYS THE
[21:49] GUY DRESSED LIKE AN elf
[21:51] >> from a hot dog.
[21:51] >> Who isn't a [ __ ] hot dog? It's bad.
[21:55] >> Listen to the techno cowboy.
[21:57] >> Listen to the CI CIA cowboy.
[22:01] Sorry. Sorry.
[22:02] >> Jesus Christ. We're on the air.
[22:06] >> [ __ ] Dude,
[22:07] >> guy blows your cover every fight.
[22:09] >> Peter Teal's going to be texting you
[22:10] after this is over.
[22:12] >> Stop it.
[22:12] >> He's texting me three times already
[22:14] during this show.
[22:16] >> I only hang out with
[22:17] >> What do you think happened to the Disney
[22:18] boys?
[22:19] >> The Disney Boys.
[22:20] >> People watch Disney.
[22:21] >> Wait, is that
[22:22] >> Disney Boys? Disney Boys have like the
[22:25] worst [ __ ] of all time. Whatever it is,
[22:27] it's horrible. We should make an AI show
[22:30] called the Disney Boys just based on
[22:32] these guys that are the cool guys that
[22:34] are a part of the Disney gang.
[22:36] >> You know Disney gangs.
[22:37] >> The Disney Boys.
[22:38] >> Like you have gangs where you have to do
[22:40] certain things to be in the gang. Like
[22:42] you have to get kicked off of a ride.
[22:44] You have to disrupt.
[22:45] >> Yeah.
[22:45] >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of
[22:47] like some of the Disney gangs.
[22:48] >> Well, I used to be a Kia boy, but I I
[22:50] had to step it down cuz I had ankle
[22:52] bracelet. So I stepped down to being a
[22:53] Disney boy.
[22:54] >> Disney boy.
[22:54] >> Those kind of high jinks.
[22:56] >> Kia like the car company. The Kia boys,
[22:58] the steal Kia, they're easiest to steal
[22:59] cars. So there's gangs of Kia boys that
[23:01] just steal Kia.
[23:03] >> Oh, I have heard of that. I've never
[23:05] heard of that. Like apparently a KAS are
[23:07] easy to steal.
[23:07] >> Yeah, with like a USB key or something
[23:09] really easy. They could do 30 seconds.
[23:11] >> No, it's hilarious.
[23:12] >> Did you say a USB key?
[23:14] >> Yeah, it's like a Honda and a Kia. Like
[23:16] they could rip them off real fast.
[23:17] >> It's that easy.
[23:18] >> There was 15 like 12.
[23:19] >> Doesn't take a serial guy to know that's
[23:21] not going to be.
[23:22] >> It can't be that exciting to steal a Kia
[23:23] though.
[23:24] >> Well, when you're 15. It is when you
[23:25] post it online and you call yourselves
[23:27] the Kia boys.
[23:27] >> That's true. You don't even have a
[23:28] driver's license.
[23:29] >> Alex Jones is the guy that got shot was
[23:31] he had a Kia.
[23:32] >> Really?
[23:33] >> Yeah. I was like, "Oh, maybe he got
[23:35] assassinated." And then I heard Kia, I'm
[23:36] like, "No, they were just taking his
[23:37] Kia."
[23:38] >> Wow. That's
[23:38] >> Is that really what they were doing?
[23:40] >> They shot him cuz they were stealing his
[23:41] Kia.
[23:42] >> Soon as I heard he had a Kia, I'm like,
[23:43] "That's a plausible reason why."
[23:45] >> Impressing.
[23:46] >> Interesting.
[23:47] >> They abandoned all investigation because
[23:50] there's a Kia involved. Like
[23:52] >> I abandoned all investigation. like he's
[23:54] like it's solved.
[23:54] >> Well, I wasn't on Look, I wasn't being
[23:56] paid to be on that.
[23:57] >> Mystery solved. Mystery solved.
[23:59] >> Mystery Boys don't work for free.
[24:02] >> Alex is a friend, but until
[24:04] >> I feel like Disney Boys would be a
[24:05] really good show. Like the cool guys.
[24:09] >> It's kind of all their shows.
[24:10] >> Out of all of the different gangs at
[24:12] Disney, these are the coolest. They're
[24:13] the Disney Boys. And everybody wants to
[24:15] get in on the Disney Boys.
[24:16] >> Yeah.
[24:17] >> They're into some sick [ __ ] I'll tell
[24:18] you that.
[24:18] >> They're gatekeepers.
[24:20] >> Yeah.
[24:20] >> So, what do you think happened to
[24:22] people? What what's the major damage
[24:24] from watching Disney?
[24:26] >> I mean, everything about it is designed
[24:28] to get into the subconscious and get
[24:30] that sense of magic that like forever,
[24:34] you know, to the point of when you're an
[24:35] adult. And then meanwhile, while you're
[24:36] getting poisoned, well, autism poisons
[24:39] to make people that buy all the
[24:41] products, 80% of them never drive a car.
[24:43] If you ever watch Love on the Spectrum,
[24:45] which liberals love it, by the way, you
[24:47] can see that you they're just a lot of
[24:49] fun. You tell them who they what they
[24:50] what sex they are. You can tell them who
[24:52] they like. They're weird about they
[24:54] don't really reproduce until it's like
[24:56] socially okay. They uh you [ __ ] up Star
[24:58] Wars 10 years in a row making shitty
[25:00] Star Wars and they'll still love it and
[25:02] cry when the preview comes on. Those are
[25:04] the perfect citizens. Okay. And then
[25:06] >> you got that nice Disney thing to fixate
[25:08] on because you got people, you know,
[25:11] it's not like being a psychopath. They
[25:13] have a they want to connect but they
[25:14] have a hard time connecting.
[25:16] >> So you think that's autism? You think
[25:17] that's by design? like they're making
[25:19] people
[25:20] >> almost compartmentalized people. So then
[25:22] so so they can't look at the big
[25:24] picture. Everybody's being trained to
[25:25] never look at the big picture as if
[25:28] that's above their pay grade. Like
[25:29] you're not supposed to ever assemble
[25:31] these. You're not supposed to remember
[25:33] anything for more than a month and
[25:34] almost no one does.
[25:35] >> I I feel like agree and I disagree. I
[25:37] feel like you chain things together that
[25:39] aren't necessarily connected. So here's
[25:41] like autism. Okay. I think autism a a
[25:45] big factor is not just the various
[25:49] environmental toxins that people are
[25:51] ingesting, but also a lot of the [ __ ]
[25:54] vaccines they're giving kids when
[25:55] they're young. For sure. I don't think
[25:57] they're doing that to make people
[25:59] autistic. I think they're doing that to
[26:00] profit off of these vaccines,
[26:03] >> right? I think once told they take
[26:05] advantage,
[26:07] >> hold please while I'm talking. Once they
[26:09] take advantage of it and they understand
[26:11] that it's a thing, then they use it to
[26:14] their advantage. I think once they
[26:15] understand that it's a thing, like, oh,
[26:17] we're making more autistic people.
[26:18] There's definitely more autistic people
[26:19] now. We can kind of weaponize it. Now we
[26:21] kind of like mold them in a certain
[26:22] direction. I don't think they engineered
[26:25] autism. I don't think I'd like to think
[26:28] at least that people aren't that evil.
[26:30] >> Why do you like Will you tell me what
[26:31] China did? that thing you told me that
[26:33] they were trying to make their IQs
[26:34] higher so they're putting something
[26:35] >> Yeah. They what they did is they gene
[26:37] edited kids and they said they did it to
[26:39] uh prevent HIV which like who's even
[26:42] worried about HIV today? [ __ ] zero
[26:44] people. The HIV might have been the
[26:46] greatest scop since co and far as like
[26:49] what Fouchy did like what the way he
[26:51] mindfucked people with co he mind [ __ ]
[26:54] people to a much greater extent with
[26:57] HIV.
[26:57] >> So you don't think people are evil
[26:59] though and after you know that
[27:00] >> individuals like Fouchy. Yes. Very.
[27:03] >> Oh, just a few bad apples in the [ __ ]
[27:05] DARPA [ __ ] Really?
[27:06] >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I
[27:07] don't know if Disney like work together
[27:10] with the government to purposely
[27:12] engineer autism so they can make better.
[27:14] >> I didn't say you have a link I'm not
[27:16] making that they engineered autism
[27:17] personally. It's part of programming.
[27:19] Everything's propaganda coming out of
[27:21] Hollywood since the start. It's deeply
[27:23] Pentagon embedded. Everybody knows that.
[27:25] Tommy Lee Jones's cousin
[27:27] >> was a liaison to all like uh who's
[27:29] what's the one with Claire Dane? You
[27:30] ever see Claire Danes when she was on
[27:32] that?
[27:32] >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. On Co Bear
[27:34] >> and she's on and she goes, "Yeah, he and
[27:35] she's like a dingbat's like and then we
[27:37] go on the CIA camp and Co Bear
[27:39] >> who I think is hip just cuz he did this
[27:43] >> he had to like tamp it down
[27:44] immediately." So no, it's linked very
[27:48] intimately,
[27:49] >> right? But do you you don't think that
[27:51] Disney or that these people are
[27:53] purposely working with the government?
[27:55] >> Of course they're working with the
[27:56] government
[27:57] >> more they like they want more people
[27:58] autistic. Not everybody gets to not
[28:00] everybody gets to know every piece of
[28:02] the thing. I'm just telling you what is
[28:04] the propaganda. So all the complaints
[28:05] now about woke everything's woke, right?
[28:07] Don't you hate that?
[28:08] >> Right. Right. Right. So why is it like
[28:09] that?
[28:09] >> Do you think that they're on purpose
[28:12] making people autistic? Is that Are you
[28:13] saying that's part of it?
[28:15] >> Whatever when they discovered this
[28:16] condition from poisons that they're
[28:18] allowed to put it and that RFK by the
[28:20] way sold us out on. They're allowed to
[28:22] put these in the environment after
[28:24] knowing what the [ __ ] is. So yeah, I
[28:26] don't want to think people are evil, but
[28:28] they are clearly cuz you wouldn't phase
[28:30] that out. You would get rid of it
[28:32] immediately if you didn't like that it
[28:34] was doing making the frogs gay. How Alex
[28:37] said in artfully but correctly, that
[28:39] [ __ ] mutilates genitals and uh sex
[28:42] genes.
[28:43] >> Yeah.
[28:44] >> Okay. So once you know it does that and
[28:46] you're not doing [ __ ] and in fact it go
[28:48] becomes more, that means you want to do
[28:50] it. That's how I look at it.
[28:51] >> I I think they just want the money. They
[28:53] want the money. They want the profit.
[28:55] No. No. No. No, no, no, no, no. Not a a
[28:57] major corporation has to increase their
[28:58] revenue every quarter.
[28:59] >> Dude, the corporations aren't free.
[29:00] They're state. We have state capitalism.
[29:02] They're all all of them have government
[29:04] contracts.
[29:04] >> Can I give my theory on this?
[29:06] >> Yes, hot dog. Thank you.
[29:07] >> Okay.
[29:09] >> This is this you know simat you know
[29:12] simatics.
[29:14] >> Simatics. I know the term. I forget
[29:15] what? What is
[29:17] >> simatics? He's a great dude. He's like
[29:19] one of my favorite No.
[29:20] >> Is this like an offshoot of Dionetics?
[29:21] Sim. No, it's when you just you put like
[29:24] you put baby powder on a speaker and you
[29:27] play certain frequencies and it forms
[29:29] geometries.
[29:30] >> Oh, I have seen that.
[29:32] >> What both of you are tuning into is a
[29:34] kind of cultural simatics that there
[29:36] exists in the world a frequency of greed
[29:39] or evil or selfishness that shows up in
[29:42] these specific ways throughout history
[29:44] over and over and over again. the
[29:46] exploitation of children, the sacrifice
[29:49] of children, the uh the the exploitation
[29:52] of the energy of people to make yourself
[29:56] more powerful. This has been going on
[29:58] since all of recorded history.
[30:00] >> I said that.
[30:01] >> What? Yeah, he's really smart. And
[30:02] you're you bully him, but he's a nice
[30:04] >> He's got bad skin. You know how I Well,
[30:06] let's let's think about just think about
[30:08] the idea of prescribing drugs for kids
[30:12] that are unnecessary that will kill
[30:14] them, but also make companies a profit.
[30:16] That is child sacrifice. Absolutely.
[30:18] It's just a roundabout sort of a weird
[30:21] filtered way where you don't think about
[30:23] it like that, but it's almost like what
[30:26] the Aztecs were doing.
[30:27] >> It's very s It's just it's exactly
[30:29] >> it's just you're doing it for money.
[30:30] They're doing it for favor with the
[30:32] gods.
[30:32] >> So, it's like the
[30:33] >> that's the same thing. The baby powder
[30:35] that you're pouring on the speaker, it
[30:37] changes color, but it's the same exact
[30:41] shape. It's always child sacrifice.
[30:43] >> So, it is child sacrifice. It's just
[30:45] that they dance around this maze. So,
[30:48] you don't think of it as child sacrifice
[30:49] where they're injecting kids with co
[30:51] vaccines. They're all getting strokes.
[30:52] >> Yes. Or or it's slavery.
[30:54] >> It's not It's not just child sacrifice.
[30:56] I mean, that's a huge part of it is
[30:57] child sacrifice. Child
[31:00] exploitation. Don't worry. They use
[31:01] everybody. I mean, imagine if you're a
[31:03] company that's profiting off of a drug
[31:04] that you know is not necessary to kids
[31:07] and you know for sure is killing kids
[31:10] and you're still doing it for profit.
[31:12] >> Here, let me explain. Sacrifice.
[31:13] >> Imagine you work in the government and
[31:15] you let them do that and you have these
[31:16] [ __ ] hearings and nothing ever
[31:17] happens or changes and you have a little
[31:19] stupid play. Imagine that. Cuz I only
[31:22] been on a news show for now what, three
[31:24] years and already I'm like bored of this
[31:26] circle and people still act like it's
[31:28] normal and they're not just doing a
[31:29] play. They still act like it's normal.
[31:31] >> Cali means just left the White House
[31:33] today.
[31:33] >> Really?
[31:34] >> Is that the long neck?
[31:37] What
[31:37] >> the [ __ ] does that mean? Cali means
[31:39] >> from Trump's menagerie of freaks. Have
[31:41] you not seen them?
[31:43] >> Okay. Cali means who was working to try
[31:45] to get peptides and all these different
[31:47] things passed through said it's I can't
[31:49] do this. This is like the deep state's
[31:51] real and there's all these industry
[31:53] insiders that are embedded in the
[31:54] government. They say they're going to do
[31:55] something and then they do everything
[31:57] they can to slow it down and keep it
[31:58] from happening. Peptides supposed to be
[32:00] done two years ago. All this stuff was
[32:02] supposed to happen a long time ago and
[32:03] they're [ __ ] hitting the brakes on
[32:05] everything because they want money.
[32:06] >> Yeah.
[32:06] >> And again, same kind of thing, right?
[32:09] Making money. How many people are going
[32:11] to lose their health, perhaps get very
[32:13] sick, maybe even die because they don't
[32:16] have access to whatever the [ __ ] they
[32:17] need. And also, you're putting stuff out
[32:20] there still that we have wanted banned
[32:22] for a long time,
[32:24] >> right? Like like [ __ ] glyphosate.
[32:27] like they need glyphosate. Like this,
[32:29] that was the craziest argument when RFK
[32:31] Jr. was on here and he was explaining
[32:32] that to me that they made an executive
[32:35] order to keep glyphosate because
[32:36] otherwise it would [ __ ] up the food
[32:39] business. Yeah. So imagine that the food
[32:41] business is reliant on poison. If it
[32:43] doesn't use poison, it can't stay open,
[32:45] >> right?
[32:46] >> We can't operate.
[32:47] >> [ __ ] the business up
[32:48] >> because it would cost so much money to
[32:50] change out their systems from glyphosate
[32:54] herbicide to there's all these different
[32:56] ways they could do it. They use lasers
[32:58] where they [ __ ] scan over the things
[32:59] and they zap the plants that aren't the
[33:01] right ones. And then if they wanted to
[33:03] do everything like regenerative farming,
[33:05] that takes [ __ ] a decade, right?
[33:07] >> You have to change the soil. You have to
[33:09] do so much. You have to compost. You
[33:10] have to like re-energize the bio
[33:13] material that's in the soil and turn it
[33:15] to enriched. Like you have to
[33:17] fertilizer. You have to have like dead
[33:18] animals and [ __ ] And it has to like
[33:22] become a living thing again. Cuz right
[33:23] now it is it's a a [ __ ] toxic dust
[33:26] layer that just sits there and keeps
[33:28] anything from and then they pour a bunch
[33:30] of [ __ ] minerals and nitrogen and all
[33:33] the different things all over it just so
[33:34] the stuff can grow,
[33:36] >> right?
[33:36] >> And it's like to change that and make it
[33:38] so that you don't need industrial
[33:40] fertilizers, you don't need herbicides,
[33:42] you don't it'll take [ __ ] forever and
[33:44] it costs so much money because we've
[33:46] been c we've been tricked by these
[33:48] [ __ ] crooks. these people that have
[33:50] decided to make the most amount of money
[33:52] and poison probably initially they
[33:54] probably didn't realize what they were
[33:56] doing but once they realized they were
[33:57] poisoning people they just kept doing it
[33:59] >> yeah but you know they've done it on
[34:01] purpose many times remember that don't
[34:03] you remember what they did them kids in
[34:04] Kansas City what they did to people in
[34:06] San Francisco they drizzled that cobalt
[34:08] [ __ ] on black kids in uh Kansas City
[34:11] >> what cobalt [ __ ]
[34:12] >> yeah I can't remember what cobalt 13 or
[34:14] something
[34:15] >> was this the one from the fans no that
[34:16] was a different thing
[34:17] >> this is the army
[34:19] next to another another building. Okay.
[34:21] And then they weren't using like a plane
[34:22] even. They were just spraying it into
[34:24] these kids.
[34:24] >> That's right. Right. That I don't
[34:26] remember what it was though. You said
[34:27] it's cobalt
[34:28] >> to see what what I would do.
[34:30] >> They wanted to see how much they could
[34:31] affect people in case they wanted to use
[34:33] like a boweapon.
[34:34] >> Well, I'm sure it's reformed since
[34:36] there's no justice ever for these
[34:37] people. I'm sure it's gotten better.
[34:38] >> Well, they did with MK Ultra. That
[34:40] stopped.
[34:42] >> Fair point.
[34:43] >> They don't do it anymore. I stand
[34:45] corrected. San Francisco. They were
[34:48] trying to see if they could spread a
[34:49] disease. So they spread like a cold,
[34:52] right? Didn't they? Like they spread
[34:53] something like
[34:54] >> they put it in the subways.
[34:55] >> Is that what they did?
[34:56] >> I heard they fumigated the subways.
[34:58] >> I think they did something where they
[34:59] sprayed it in the air, too, because the
[35:01] way the wind was drifting. They wanted
[35:02] to see how many people would infect,
[35:04] >> right? And so at that point, I think
[35:06] Mezer's making a fair point. That's evil
[35:09] watching. That's not Yeah. I love Fair
[35:12] Point with the Disney Boys. with the
[35:13] DISNEY BOYS.
[35:15] >> HOT DOG AND CIA
[35:18] >> the elf man CIA the elf.
[35:23] >> I mean that's evil.
[35:24] >> I don't think it and maybe you could
[35:26] argue just greed is evil. Greed is
[35:28] vampirism. Maybe you could that's not
[35:30] just that. That's a certain level.
[35:32] >> But do vampires think they're evil?
[35:34] >> What's above that though? That's I'm a
[35:36] royal. I'm not saying it literally the
[35:38] royals but also them. that feeling of I
[35:41] want eugenics for me and I want
[35:43] disgenics for you. I'm going to be a
[35:45] living god by pushing you down to the
[35:47] category of mineral thereby making me uh
[35:51] you know a special uh transhuman [ __ ]
[35:54] nightmare from the Dune series.
[35:55] >> What is this Jamie? It was a great
[35:57] series. I don't think they were all that
[35:59] cadmium sulfide.
[36:00] >> Hold on. make it to the top to show you
[36:03] >> what this is the uh historical
[36:06] background of the US biological warfare
[36:08] program and it gets into
[36:11] >> 1941 they started holy [ __ ]
[36:13] >> here's a total of 160 tests using
[36:15] various simulants
[36:17] >> fine
[36:17] >> maybe stimulants but
[36:19] >> I don't know simulants simulating
[36:21] they're simulating disease conducted at
[36:23] 66 locations most military and civilian
[36:25] targets in the United States holy [ __ ]
[36:28] including Alaska and Hawaii so they did
[36:30] 160 different tests where they try to
[36:32] infect people.
[36:32] >> They don't do it anymore. They just
[36:33] pretend to infect people.
[36:35] >> They stop.
[36:36] >> Specific dates, locations, and
[36:37] substances used are in an Army report uh
[36:42] 1977 conduct of BW testing. Specialized
[36:45] sampling and analysis techniques were
[36:47] used to determine the various parameters
[36:50] of the test requirements and the
[36:51] downwind travel distances.
[36:54] >> Christ,
[36:54] >> bro. See the subways right there?
[36:56] >> Mhm. back.
[36:58] >> We got more morals inside.
[37:00] >> They got They got a lot better, dude.
[37:02] >> Yeah. I don't know why people think I'm
[37:03] saying anything far out ever because
[37:05] this is Nazi level [ __ ] here. Well, we
[37:07] brought all this Nazis, so we're going
[37:08] to do some Nazi stuff,
[37:10] >> right?
[37:11] >> That's true. They brought up a lot.
[37:12] >> I just found this out. Uh the OSS when
[37:15] they, you know, merged with the
[37:16] remaining Nazis of the SS to form the
[37:18] CIA,
[37:19] >> it wasn't Yeah, that's how they got
[37:21] that. But it it was the world.
[37:23] >> LET HIM ROLL, BABY. YOU GOT TO LET HIM
[37:25] RIP. WHAT?
[37:26] >> IT'S GOOD [ __ ] BABY.
[37:27] >> ALL THESE PEOPLE. WAIT, YOU HAD ALL them
[37:28] CIA guys. None of them know.
[37:30] >> Hold on. Say it again. Say it again.
[37:31] >> You had all them CIA guys on here. None
[37:33] of them know this.
[37:34] >> I don't know. Me, too. And I'm like,
[37:37] "No, I don't know." No.
[37:38] >> He always does that. He looms over you.
[37:41] You don't know. He's got his ready to
[37:44] >> My hat. This hat was not good with the
[37:45] headphones. It's really
[37:46] >> So, explain it again. The OSS, what
[37:48] happened with the Nazis
[37:49] >> after the war? They merged with the SS.
[37:51] you know, Otto Scores Seni, I believe,
[37:54] that carried on um Gladadio. That's the
[37:57] strategy of tension where you fund like
[37:59] uh both sides of the thing. So, you've
[38:01] heard of this
[38:02] >> the strategy of tension.
[38:03] >> Southern Poverty Law Center you texted
[38:05] me about when they were doing they were
[38:06] paying for the Charlottesville.
[38:07] >> Yes.
[38:08] >> That's a strategy of tension. That goes
[38:10] back to Otto Scorsesnney. That goes back
[38:12] to Auto Scores after the war. That's a
[38:14] >> So they that you sure that that wasn't
[38:16] like standard techniques that people
[38:18] just you like Nero burned Rome, right?
[38:21] They've always done things where they've
[38:22] caught
[38:23] >> the term I mean the term yes but you are
[38:25] correct but the strategy of tension that
[38:26] term comes originally from auto scores
[38:29] group
[38:30] >> okay and so
[38:31] >> maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I am
[38:33] >> well we'll find out we'll put that in AI
[38:35] perplexity
[38:37] >> of perplexity knows how the CIA was
[38:39] formed
[38:40] >> well I did ask and it's very strange
[38:42] what it says here the last
[38:44] >> it is inaccurate merged with the SS is
[38:47] inaccurate the documented history is
[38:49] that American intelligence agencies used
[38:51] former Nazi personnel and networks for
[38:54] cold war intelligence. Not that the two
[38:56] wartime organizations merge. Yet, if you
[38:59] have an organization and you have people
[39:01] in that organization and they join your
[39:02] organization, you [ __ ] merge
[39:05] >> the difference. That's a merger. The
[39:07] organization above both of them that the
[39:08] CIA is under and probably still under, I
[39:11] believe, is called the World Commerce
[39:12] Commission. Some [ __ ] like that.
[39:14] >> What?
[39:15] >> Never heard of it.
[39:15] >> That's who merged them together. who was
[39:17] in charge of that and then making it.
[39:19] Um, uh, if you watch my boy Sean Patrick
[39:22] Hasslet show, Through a Glass Darkly,
[39:24] great. If you like,
[39:25] >> say it slowly so people can hear your
[39:27] words.
[39:27] >> Sean Patrick Hlett.
[39:29] >> What was the the other the term of the
[39:31] show? The name of the show?
[39:32] >> Through a Glass Darkly.
[39:34] >> Okay. Through a Glass Dark.
[39:36] >> Been on it.
[39:36] >> What?
[39:37] >> You've been on it?
[39:38] >> I've been on that show.
[39:39] >> Holy [ __ ]
[39:41] >> Am I being gas? Is that what this is?
[39:45] HEY MAN, I'M JUST A HOT DOG. I DON'T
[39:47] KNOW.
[39:48] >> From Sean from Turning Point Sam
[39:50] Tripoli. Uh the
[39:51] >> Turning Point Sam Tripoly.
[39:53] >> Yeah, my think tank.
[39:53] >> Oh, Through a Glass Darkly. It's good. I
[39:55] love that show. I remember. Sorry, Sean.
[39:57] I remember now. It was a zoo.
[39:59] >> Yeah, my think tank. Like I know what
[40:00] the [ __ ]
[40:01] >> He's got a think tank.
[40:01] >> Yeah.
[40:02] >> Well, just a group tag. It's not really
[40:04] I I probably am over selling it.
[40:06] >> No, no, you're not overselling it cuz
[40:07] it's got like doctors and professors.
[40:10] >> So, let's call our our text thread the
[40:12] think tank, too. Yeah, we should.
[40:14] >> It was already kind of being used on
[40:15] turning point.
[40:16] >> You can have two think tanks.
[40:18] >> Can you have two think tanks? A lot of
[40:20] guys are involved in multiple startups,
[40:23] >> dude. Disney boys.
[40:24] >> Oh my god. Dude, are you watching this?
[40:26] Have you watched the Dropout? The
[40:28] Elizabeth Holmes Hulu series.
[40:29] >> I know. How is it?
[40:31] >> It's so good. It's so good. I get I'm
[40:35] wondering is it so good because I got
[40:37] really engrossed in the story when I was
[40:39] listening to the Dropout podcast but I
[40:41] was watching the show and you know just
[40:44] because I haven't seen the movie yet. I
[40:45] want to watch the show and then see the
[40:47] movie
[40:47] >> but the [ __ ] that chick a man what's
[40:50] her name Amanda
[40:51] >> Seaf Freed.
[40:52] >> Holy [ __ ] is she good dude.
[40:53] >> Oh she plays her
[40:54] >> she's so good dude. You see her she
[40:57] slowly starts changing her voice. She's
[40:59] she acts completely autistic through the
[41:02] entire show. She's [ __ ] really good,
[41:04] dude.
[41:04] >> That That show is crazy.
[41:06] >> I can't believe I didn't even hear
[41:09] anybody recommend it before.
[41:11] >> Look at that.
[41:13] >> Uh yeah, big difference.
[41:15] >> I mean, I'm I'm kind of for the
[41:16] improvements to the You know,
[41:18] >> they should have made her a black man.
[41:20] It would have been just as accurate.
[41:22] >> Dude, I'm way into that idea.
[41:24] >> I would have been entranced by Elizabeth
[41:26] Holmes. I would have been sucking her
[41:27] feet that looked like that. The real the
[41:30] real one would have taken me in a second
[41:32] like that. Those eyes, those deep blue
[41:34] eyes. You saw it in the Nathan Fielder
[41:37] clip when she's looking at him. She
[41:39] draws you in with those eyes. And you
[41:41] know what? You're not experiencing
[41:43] people like that have an aura. They have
[41:46] a a real vibe that pulls you in. So
[41:48] you're just when you're just looking at
[41:50] that like a 2D picture, it's nothing
[41:52] compared to when you're in their
[41:53] presence.
[41:54] So, you think that if you were if you
[41:56] said, "Hey, no cameras, no films. Could
[41:59] I just come over your house and ask you
[42:01] questions about what happened?"
[42:04] >> You think that she would just get you?
[42:07] She would suck you in, suck you into
[42:09] think of how much money she grifted.
[42:11] Think of like what she did. Like, if we
[42:13] take the ethics and morality out of it,
[42:15] it's spectacular. Like when you look at
[42:18] like the ability to manipulate people at
[42:21] the level that she did, that's more than
[42:24] you just can't know until you're around
[42:25] someone like I mean you've been around
[42:27] you you have people like that on your
[42:28] podcast. You can feel their vibe.
[42:31] >> Not at that level. The charm of JD Vance
[42:34] coming at you like that. You couldn't
[42:35] feel it.
[42:37] >> Oh yes. Trump Trump I'm sure radiates
[42:40] some kind of weird aura like you know
[42:42] anytime I've been around people like
[42:43] that you know they they get you. They
[42:46] there's who knows what it is. Mirror
[42:48] neurons. Who knows what it is? But these
[42:50] are warlocks. These are
[42:51] >> a little bit of hypnosis involved in
[42:53] being someone who has a fake startup,
[42:55] right? You you're doing something.
[42:57] You're pitching this thought and they
[43:00] all think they're going to cash in. But
[43:01] there was also the culture of startups
[43:04] in in Silicon Valley where there was a
[43:06] lot of [ __ ] startups and a lot of
[43:08] like that was one of our arguments was
[43:10] that everybody was doing this. Everybody
[43:11] was kind of bullshitting. Everybody was
[43:13] like making these. My problem with the
[43:15] show
[43:16] >> is that it's really good and there's
[43:17] facts in it for sure where ab they
[43:20] definitely faked these things. They did
[43:22] this. They got people to invest under
[43:24] false pretenses. I don't like when
[43:26] there's dialogue between people and I
[43:29] know somebody just made it up. It takes
[43:30] me right out of it.
[43:31] >> I Me too, dude.
[43:32] >> When they're like they're alone like
[43:34] Sunonny Balwani and her alone and like
[43:37] they're acting weird together. I'm like
[43:39] you don't know if that's real. like
[43:40] you're making me think about them a very
[43:42] specific way that you can't. They didn't
[43:45] participate. They didn't help you. They
[43:47] didn't tell you I said this and then she
[43:48] said that. So, you're just making things
[43:51] up and you're you're pretending. You're
[43:53] m It's like gonzo journalism. You're
[43:55] mixing fake. Like that's what Hunter
[43:57] used to do. Make
[43:59] >> propagandize me a certain way.
[44:00] >> Yes. Yeah. So, part of me is like I
[44:03] don't think you should be able to do
[44:04] that.
[44:04] >> But that's
[44:07] by the people who made the show. I mean,
[44:08] go journalism. Like, yeah, it's like
[44:10] reporting, but it's not. I'm lying.
[44:13] >> Did you ever see the thing that he did
[44:14] about the election? Well, do you ever
[44:16] see the thing that he did about the
[44:18] election when he did Fear and Loathing
[44:19] on the campaign trail?
[44:20] >> So, he made Ed Musky go crazy. He made
[44:23] him go crazy cuz he was saying that he
[44:25] was using a Brazilian witch doctor and
[44:27] he was uh he was addicted to Ibagane.
[44:30] >> Do do you know this whole story?
[44:31] >> Yeah. No, I know. I find it to be very
[44:33] strange.
[44:33] >> Caused the guy to have a nervous
[44:35] breakdown. And so the guy was on the
[44:37] campaign trail and he's I am not a drug
[44:39] addict and he would like literally go
[44:41] crazy. And then so Hunter find the video
[44:44] of Hunter on the Dick Cavitt show. He's
[44:47] admitting on the Dick Cavitt show that
[44:50] he made this whole thing up and he
[44:52] caused this guy's campaign to sink and
[44:54] affected the entire election. You know,
[44:56] this is so funny because I was just
[44:58] watching this thing on Alistister
[44:59] Crowley and in his confessions, he was
[45:02] saying that he made the Nazi Germany
[45:06] fall apart. Like he infected Germany
[45:09] with these insane.
[45:10] >> You're never going to forgive him for
[45:10] that, are you?
[45:14] >> I mean, let it go, man. Let it go.
[45:18] >> Remind your boy Theo loving.
[45:20] >> Oh my god. Oh my god.
[45:25] I couldn't believe the people that Musky
[45:27] was eating Ebuka King. I never said he
[45:28] was. I said there was a rumor in
[45:30] Milwaukee that he was, which was true.
[45:31] And I started the rumor in Milwaukee.
[45:34] >> He finally said, "Will you meet?"
[45:35] >> So that was he saying I said there was a
[45:38] rumor in Milwaukee and it's true because
[45:40] I started the rumor in Milwaukee.
[45:42] >> Exactly.
[45:42] >> So he started this rumor. He wrote about
[45:44] it.
[45:45] >> Yeah.
[45:45] >> And then he caused the guy to go crazy.
[45:48] >> Yeah. Magic. Pure and simple.
[45:50] >> Well, voodoo is real, right? If you
[45:52] believe in voodoo, if you believe if I
[45:54] tell you I'm putting a spell on you and
[45:55] you believe it,
[45:56] >> your life's going to fall apart. It's
[45:58] true.
[45:58] >> Well, like you said, you don't want to
[46:00] believe people are evil. That's the
[46:01] spell.
[46:02] >> Vodun, Gnostic Vodun is the basis of a
[46:04] lot of the mass programming for uh
[46:06] Americans. I didn't know it's pronounced
[46:08] Vodun, by the way. That's how it's
[46:10] pronounced. And uh but they use a lot of
[46:12] that. And uh uh the main thing though,
[46:15] because you had uh Grush on here talking
[46:17] about the four NHI, right?
[46:19] >> Right. Yeah. before NHI. That sounds
[46:22] like a um
[46:23] >> like a band
[46:24] >> like Simon Cowell's like those guys that
[46:26] were just singers like El Divo like the
[46:28] four NHI. Yeah.
[46:29] >> And they do opera songs. They're uh what
[46:32] was it? The bug one and the lizard one
[46:33] and the Nordics,
[46:35] >> right?
[46:35] >> Germans and the uh whatever the other
[46:38] >> Well, the Nordics look like like Greek
[46:39] gods. Yeah. Or like Yeah.
[46:41] >> So that's when he Okay, that part stuck
[46:44] out when he was talking about the one
[46:45] looking kind of blue and Ridley Scott
[46:47] Prometheusish.
[46:49] >> Yeah. Um, so they it's eugenics and
[46:52] disgenics and um a big thing that I just
[46:55] learned of and it's from South Africa is
[46:56] called toalash.
[46:57] >> Good.
[46:58] >> Yeah. On Mystery Boys uh Oh, this one it
[47:00] already
[47:00] >> this is [ __ ] up.
[47:01] >> So you know what toolash is?
[47:03] >> No.
[47:04] >> Uh Credo Mucho, who's the shaman that
[47:07] David Ike likes from South Africa that
[47:09] taught him Dr. Lizards. You know that
[47:11] guy?
[47:11] >> No.
[47:12] >> You've never had either Credo? No, I'm
[47:13] joking. All right. So
[47:14] >> Dr. Lizards.
[47:16] >> You don't know Dr. Lizards. Anyway, he
[47:19] it's in his book, but uh they would have
[47:20] practice uh which like the [ __ ] up
[47:22] ones where they take like a pygmy or uh
[47:26] which I guess a small person. I I'm not
[47:29] not clear, but it's a human a pygmy,
[47:30] right? It just means they're small small
[47:32] in the jungle or something. Okay,
[47:33] >> they take them
[47:34] >> or a dis like someone who's got a
[47:36] disability or a mutate, you know, any
[47:38] kind of malformed person,
[47:39] >> right? are these they would grab these
[47:42] people and raise them like they put like
[47:45] bent uh wood to like make their limbs
[47:47] grow weird to turn them into like
[47:48] monstery goblin and then and then uh
[47:52] just to it's just torturing a human and
[47:54] mutilating them until they're crazy and
[47:55] think they're a another entity like a
[47:57] supernatural entity called toolash the
[48:00] CIA studied that okay and it brought
[48:02] that [ __ ] here and so the four NHI I say
[48:06] are this is why the aliens need sperm
[48:08] and ova Because they're making this
[48:11] stuff out of people. It's all They've
[48:13] been doing this [ __ ] under the energy
[48:15] commission probably since 48.
[48:16] >> They've been
[48:18] >> So remember the
[48:18] >> they're making this [ __ ] out of people.
[48:20] So you're saying that they're these
[48:22] nonhuman intelligences.
[48:23] >> They're human. They made they made
[48:25] people made them.
[48:26] >> Now they could do it with crisp. They
[48:27] don't have to tie your spine to a bent
[48:30] wood anymore and beat you. They can do
[48:31] it with blue light. Spider-Man Elsa. And
[48:34] they can [ __ ] do it. It's like you're
[48:36] being sculpted by your phone into the
[48:38] thing they want you to be.
[48:39] >> The grays are just some warped mutant
[48:41] hybrid person.
[48:42] >> That's why they look like fetuses, I
[48:44] bet. And that's why they got to steal
[48:45] you.
[48:45] >> Wait a minute. They've been doing Wait a
[48:47] minute. They've been seeing grays since
[48:48] the 50s. They You think they've been
[48:51] doing it back then?
[48:52] >> Here's what I'm getting to. So, do you
[48:53] remember Diana Pulka or not? Uh, not not
[48:55] Dian Pilka. Um, the one that wrote the
[48:58] DARPA book. I'm blanking on Annie Jacob.
[48:59] >> Annie Jacobson. And remember at the time
[49:01] I thought this story was so stupid that
[49:03] DARPA said it was deformed kids that
[49:06] Russia sent over to like freak us out.
[49:09] >> That was the Roswell thing.
[49:11] >> Yeah.
[49:11] >> Yeah.
[49:11] >> So now I understand that story a lot
[49:14] better cuz took Ocean in South Africa,
[49:16] they're rare, but you can still find
[49:18] those farms in the mountains where
[49:19] they're just raising, you know, like um
[49:22] troglodite people or something never see
[49:24] the light. They they torture tell them
[49:25] they're like a and they they can climb
[49:27] and and people die of fright seeing
[49:28] these things. So, wait. You think that
[49:31] all these alien abduction experiences,
[49:34] it's all human created fake?
[49:37] >> Well, well, I didn't say fake. I said
[49:39] they made they speciated us into four
[49:42] other things. And the reason is that the
[49:44] Nordics the Nordics are the eugenics
[49:47] end. That's the that's you could tell us
[49:49] from back then cuz they're blonde and
[49:51] blue blood and blueeyed. You know, the
[49:54] ideal of the 50. Then you got your
[49:56] lizard people which is straight out of
[49:57] [ __ ] Star Trek. And by the way, that
[49:59] guy is a creep. Gene Rodenberry, just
[50:01] you know, he's a [ __ ] creep. Jesus
[50:04] Christ.
[50:04] >> Okay, but the lizard lizards and men
[50:06] don't come from space. They come from
[50:08] here. And so that you can and that's why
[50:10] the the sightings in other countries cuz
[50:13] it's like, okay, what's going on? Why
[50:14] would people see different things? They
[50:16] all need your sperm and eggs, though.
[50:18] That always is a thing.
[50:19] >> Let me back him up here.
[50:20] >> The local movie maker people are the
[50:22] ones designering these. They've had this
[50:24] Christmas [ __ ] for a long time. You
[50:25] understand? What the [ __ ]
[50:26] >> dude? Dude, Joe, look it up. Jamie,
[50:28] maybe you could pull this out. And
[50:30] that's where the Disney comes in the
[50:31] curtain. They they just mixed a mouse
[50:35] brain with a human brain. Did you hear
[50:37] about this?
[50:38] >> Yes. I told you in confidence and now
[50:39] Okay.
[50:40] >> Well, I'm sorry. I forgot. I HEATED
[50:42] HERE. I'M SORRY. BUT BUT you know what
[50:44] he's saying? Even though it does sound
[50:46] absolutely insane, but honestly, it
[50:48] doesn't sound as insane. Thank you. It
[50:50] doesn't it doesn't sound as insane as
[50:52] beings from other dimensions coming
[50:53] here. It's equally insane. But when you
[50:55] look at what we're doing now, creating
[50:58] human mouse brain hybrids with brain
[51:01] organels harvested from stem cells, we
[51:05] are doing that. And you look at what we
[51:06] just looked at with the subway bioweapon
[51:09] tests. That was in the ' 40s. So it
[51:12] would it surprise you that secret
[51:15] branches of every government were doing
[51:18] eugenics
[51:20] studies were abducting children and
[51:23] warping them to see if we can make super
[51:25] soldiers. What about farming them?
[51:27] >> I mean there's clearly a market pressure
[51:29] for that if you're trying to have a
[51:31] military advantage. And when it comes to
[51:33] having a military advantage, morality
[51:35] goes out the window, man.
[51:37] >> Right. But do you think they would
[51:38] create little gray aliens with giant
[51:40] heads? I'll tell you why they did. Black
[51:41] eyes.
[51:41] >> This goes back to Andy Jacobson thing.
[51:43] Because the space race I'll tell you
[51:45] why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you
[51:46] why. I'll tell you why. The space race
[51:48] with Soviets.
[51:50] >> Okay. Right.
[51:52] >> Okay.
[51:52] >> This was before the space race. Bro,
[51:54] >> what are you doing? Oh god.
[51:55] >> Don't touch me with the tip. It's cold.
[51:57] >> Before you This is a I did find
[51:59] something about the Tokalos farm. This
[52:00] is someone quoting it, but nothing I
[52:02] found said it was real. But this is what
[52:04] it says.
[52:04] >> Okay. This is talk of a tokalosh farm
[52:07] somewhere in the country where deformed
[52:08] children are raised as assassins trained
[52:11] with with muty knowledge. I don't know
[52:13] what that means. And all the terrifying
[52:16] things whispered about in secret. I
[52:18] haven't seen it, but it's something
[52:19] we're told to be aware of.
[52:21] >> It's the X-Men.
[52:22] >> Yo, it means like mind your business in
[52:24] Bonu or some [ __ ] or it's like this is
[52:26] evil, don't ask about it. They won't
[52:27] make carvings of it.
[52:28] >> So, think how how classified of
[52:31] knowledge of it is. They won't make a
[52:32] carving of it since going way back.
[52:34] assassins.
[52:34] >> You They don't want to disclose it cuz
[52:36] you can't. It's terrible.
[52:37] >> Says there's three grades of Toalo. The
[52:39] most common one people known is like a
[52:42] little hairy man. Often it's not
[52:44] mystical at all. It could be trained
[52:46] animals, even baboons used by certain
[52:48] people to carry out menial tasks. It's
[52:50] more psychological warfare. When you see
[52:53] something that fits the idea of a tool,
[52:56] fear grips you and that fear becomes its
[52:58] own weapon.
[53:00] >> So that's that's mind war right there.
[53:02] That's what you call a nice mind war
[53:04] >> in South Africa or
[53:06] >> well we they studied everything remember
[53:08] uh scapalamine making zombies are not
[53:10] undead zombies are people that have been
[53:12] tricked and brainw you know you I took
[53:14] your heart now this rock is your heart
[53:16] >> and don't lose this ring I own your
[53:18] >> context that was an explanation from the
[53:20] resident healer sing physial ptorius
[53:24] >> heavenly healings resident healer I love
[53:27] the name of the company heavenly
[53:29] healings the place like where you go to
[53:31] like Get a tantric massage. This
[53:33] >> is him talking about
[53:33] >> That's him. I don't trust people with
[53:35] nose rings. Shut the [ __ ] up.
[53:36] >> What about the pentagram necklace?
[53:38] >> Any man with no rings man. You don't
[53:41] trust chicks with nose rings.
[53:42] >> I don't trust him as a dermatologist
[53:44] either. I'll tell you that. I know you
[53:45] don't like hecking people with skin
[53:47] conditions.
[53:48] >> You should go to a laser guy, get his
[53:49] face.
[53:50] >> Yeah, that's just helpful.
[53:52] >> I think so.
[53:52] >> I don't think that's hateful.
[53:53] >> I just I'm not into guys with nose
[53:55] rings.
[53:55] >> Jamie, I just can look to I got my nose
[53:59] pierced when I was a kid in Venice
[54:00] Beach. It got [ __ ] infected.
[54:02] >> I bet you did.
[54:03] >> It got swollen.
[54:04] >> Why do it?
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[55:13] >> I wanted to see what it felt like.
[55:15] >> Did it feel good?
[55:15] >> No.
[55:16] >> Makes you feel like you're like a little
[55:17] bit of a rebel.
[55:18] >> It was the real dumb.
[55:20] >> It was real dumb.
[55:21] >> Crazy. Living on the edge. I could have
[55:23] lost my nose.
[55:25] >> Really? Was that bad?
[55:26] >> It got super Well, no. I mean, but it
[55:27] got I mean I got my some dude in on the
[55:30] Venice boardwalk shoved a needle into my
[55:32] nose and it got infected.
[55:33] >> You could have lost it if you did.
[55:34] That's not as exciting. But I know what
[55:35] you mean. It is weird.
[55:36] >> Well, when do you get an infection and
[55:38] especially if you get like that's that's
[55:40] the risk of getting a nose job, too,
[55:42] right? How how many people have gotten
[55:43] nose jobs and gotten an infection
[55:45] >> and you have rotting tissue in your
[55:46] nose?
[55:47] >> RS off and you you're smelling just dead
[55:49] meat everywhere.
[55:50] >> Oh god.
[55:51] >> Oh my god.
[55:52] Jesus Christ. I didn't even I didn't
[55:53] even consider this smell.
[55:54] >> Smells like just stinking feet.
[55:57] >> The good thing though is that all
[55:59] factory senses uh it just detects
[56:01] changes in smells. That's why people
[56:04] that live in a town that smells like
[56:05] [ __ ] Like when you're driving through
[56:06] it, they don't notice it.
[56:08] >> Right.
[56:09] >> Yeah. Wait, that's interesting. So
[56:10] that's like a smoker can't because I
[56:12] could never smell cigarette smoke when I
[56:14] smoked.
[56:14] >> Exactly. Right. Right.
[56:15] >> Yeah. People that are when you like if
[56:18] you live in an area that stinks, you
[56:20] don't detect it. You detect changes in
[56:22] smells, which is really weird.
[56:24] >> Yeah.
[56:24] >> What if I live in a shirt that's
[56:26] >> I wonder what that's for. Do you think
[56:28] that's so people get used to eating
[56:29] rotten food when you have to?
[56:31] >> Probably.
[56:32] >> Probably. I mean, you don't want to be
[56:34] tortured by it.
[56:34] >> Also be a misfire off another thing, you
[56:36] know.
[56:36] >> Maybe it's just because people lived
[56:38] around the smell of [ __ ] for so long.
[56:41] Think about like Roman life when they
[56:42] would just take buckets of [ __ ] and
[56:44] throw it out the window
[56:45] >> or
[56:46] >> Yeah. But a farm at least it's out there
[56:49] on the field. That's manure. That's
[56:51] different human [ __ ] that they're
[56:53] throwing out the window and there's
[56:54] people stacked on top of each other
[56:58] since the 1800s.
[57:00] >> But think of like telephone poles.
[57:02] They're everywhere. But you never notice
[57:04] them. The whole like everywhere you go
[57:06] these there's fake trees with with metal
[57:10] wire.
[57:11] >> Here we go with the conspiracies.
[57:12] >> And you just get accustomed to it.
[57:13] >> You get accustomed to it. It looks
[57:15] normal to you.
[57:15] >> Oh, the wire trees aren't real.
[57:18] >> They're not real, man. That's telephone
[57:20] pole. I keep telling you that.
[57:21] >> Dude, you ever you ever see the
[57:23] depictions of New York City before cars
[57:25] when it was just horsedrawn carriages?
[57:27] There was horse [ __ ] in the everywhere.
[57:29] The entire All those people were sick.
[57:32] >> Like you wonder where these diseases
[57:33] came from.
[57:34] >> All those people were sick.
[57:37] [ __ ] fumes.
[57:38] >> Typhoid.
[57:39] >> Yeah.
[57:39] >> And they didn't know back. And what's
[57:41] crazy is this was before germ theory.
[57:44] They had they called it a myasma and
[57:46] they thought it came from bad smells.
[57:48] They thought diseases literally came
[57:51] from bad smells wafting in from swamps
[57:54] that contained within them in those
[57:56] winds rotten animal breath which was
[57:59] causing diseases to spread. This is my
[58:02] asthma theory. Look it up. That's how
[58:04] crazy people were. They
[58:05] >> how I got asthma.
[58:06] >> This is what they thought. They thought
[58:08] it was like raccoon breath. Like rotten
[58:10] raccoon breath wafting through the wind
[58:13] was getting people sick.
[58:14] >> Oh my god.
[58:15] >> It's crazy.
[58:16] >> Wow. Oh, I've caught the horse vapors.
[58:18] >> But you got to wonder what [ __ ] like
[58:20] that is happening now. Like what kind of
[58:22] things? They're not taking it out. We
[58:24] said
[58:27] >> like that now.
[58:28] >> I wonder how much glyphosate is really
[58:30] affecting people. Like if you could
[58:33] quantify it like how many people are
[58:34] sick because of it, how many people got
[58:36] diseases because of it. Yeah,
[58:38] >> that's the other stuff. That's
[58:39] microplastics. That's phalates. Thalates
[58:42] are shrinking tates.
[58:43] >> Are we sure of that?
[58:44] >> Thalates shrinking Tates. Yeah, there's
[58:46] studies on that frog mutation is from
[58:48] the other one
[58:49] >> from Harvard that book.
[58:51] >> It is weird when you, you know, talk to
[58:53] younger kids,
[58:55] >> you know, like when you talk, they all
[58:56] they're all like, "Yeah, my taint's
[58:58] small."
[58:59] >> Like they're just they just accept it.
[59:01] >> By the way, it is uh Getober. Remember
[59:03] that? It's Gape.
[59:04] >> I tell you, it's Gape Totober for
[59:06] everybody for your taints.
[59:08] >> Get out there.
[59:09] >> The kids are just like all measuring
[59:10] taints on Snapchat.
[59:12] >> Measure it. Measure your friends. Then
[59:14] you got a taint in you.
[59:15] >> Like when they see porn from the '8s,
[59:17] they must be like, "Damn, that guy's
[59:18] taint is gigantic."
[59:21] >> You get a walrus vaculum and a friend.
[59:24] >> Can you stretch your taint like the way
[59:25] the guys reclaim foreskin with like
[59:27] >> We've explored this on the mystery boys
[59:29] many times. They use pins and they pull
[59:32] their foreskin up to try.
[59:33] >> I wouldn't do that. I would just beat it
[59:35] with a firm and and a replica is fine if
[59:38] you can't afford the real thing. We're
[59:39] not all Joe Rogan real vacuums. I don't
[59:42] think I don't think you can accept.
[59:43] >> Don't shame me. Don't wealth shame me
[59:45] for my vacculum.
[59:46] >> Wealth shaming.
[59:48] >> Such an [ __ ]
[59:50] You know, I have been doing that a lot.
[59:52] I'm such a piece of [ __ ] Taint
[59:53] stretching. Jesus Christ.
[59:55] >> Perennial massage.
[59:56] >> Taint stretching is real.
[59:57] >> That's probably for women. I think
[59:59] >> perennial massage or perennial
[60:00] stretching refers to the gentle
[60:02] lengthening and conditioning. Let's try.
[60:04] What even is
[60:04] >> a perennium? That's somebody banging you
[60:06] in the ass and calling it therapy.
[60:08] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, skin and muscle
[60:12] located between the Oh, it's vagina.
[60:15] Vaginal opening.
[60:16] >> It is now or scrotum. Interesting. Um,
[60:20] depending on if you're a trans woman.
[60:23] >> Yeah.
[60:24] >> I am.
[60:25] >> Then they they it's vagina sort of
[60:28] transmish
[60:30] whatever.
[60:30] >> I mean, you kind of look at everything
[60:32] that's going on, right? And when that's
[60:34] when I heard the myasma [ __ ] I was just
[60:36] thinking like I I think it maybe it's
[60:38] glyophate, maybe it's microplastics, or
[60:41] maybe it's something we just haven't
[60:42] figured out yet.
[60:43] >> Like DDT, like they didn't know what was
[60:45] going on with DDT, and then they were
[60:46] like, "Oh [ __ ] we got to stop using
[60:47] this or killing everybody."
[60:49] >> Here's my crazy idea is a lot of mental
[60:52] illness is related to distortions in the
[60:55] time space continuum that are happening
[60:57] right now. Ripples in time space are
[60:59] causing people to go nuts as we approach
[61:01] the singularity. Take it from here,
[61:03] Kurt.
[61:04] >> Uh, I'm sick of your time space bashing.
[61:05] First of all, you say that.
[61:08] >> No, I'm saying that like
[61:10] >> is very problematic.
[61:10] >> Okay. A lot of what's
[61:13] >> I'm saying that uh you know they talk
[61:16] about this. They can measure these Thank
[61:18] you. they measure these waves that
[61:20] happen when black holes collide, right?
[61:22] They ripple time space. It ripples
[61:24] through the universe. And we're time
[61:27] space. I just feel like a lot of this a
[61:29] lot of the strange things that are
[61:31] happening, mental illnesses, maybe even
[61:34] like cancers and stuff are potentially
[61:37] related to people who've been rippled
[61:39] the time space rippled them weird and
[61:42] there's no way to measure that or find
[61:43] it. I know it don't you're not taking it
[61:45] back now. No, but I I you know, we just
[61:48] don't know. In the same way they didn't
[61:50] know about germs, we What happens if
[61:54] time space ripples through you? Why why
[61:56] do we assume that everything stays the
[61:58] same? Like I don't mean to get into the
[62:00] CERN particle accelerator [ __ ] but when
[62:02] you look at when you look at that stuff,
[62:05] when you're like smashing the smallest
[62:07] parts of the universe together and
[62:09] creating bizarre transformations,
[62:12] everything's connected to everything.
[62:13] What effect does that have on everything
[62:16] else that we just don't know? But if you
[62:18] look at like CERN, if you look at the
[62:21] nuclear testing, if you look at all
[62:23] these things we've been doing and look
[62:25] at history post those moments, [ __ ] got
[62:28] weird and it got weird fast. And I don't
[62:31] know, this is just something I kick
[62:32] around at night when I'm
[62:33] >> It's not a bad thought.
[62:34] >> Yeah.
[62:34] >> Like we don't know like they created the
[62:36] Higs Bosen when they they did that when
[62:38] they
[62:39] >> figured out element 115. Yeah. Who knows
[62:42] what they're doing really? Well, you
[62:44] know what the original thought was? that
[62:45] they were going to create a black hole
[62:47] and that there was going to be a
[62:48] microscopic
[62:50] >> microscopic black hole that went through
[62:51] the entire earth. That was
[62:53] >> well that's the fear. But they said they
[62:54] could they can make them. They're just
[62:56] very small and don't last. Right.
[62:57] >> That's what they thought. But they
[62:58] didn't know until they did it. They
[62:59] said, "Let's see. Let's see."
[63:01] >> So you know what they do with that?
[63:02] >> What?
[63:02] >> This is a thing out. And I didn't see
[63:04] this when you had him on here telling
[63:05] you that. Oh, thank Oh, thank you. Oh,
[63:08] and Alex Jones was telling you about
[63:09] stopping kids hearts to sending their
[63:11] minds through space and all that. the
[63:13] little tiny micron o openings that they
[63:16] make. You can't fit an object through,
[63:17] but you can fit someone's consciousness
[63:19] through.
[63:20] So, you do that Phoenix [ __ ] where you
[63:23] stop someone's heart.
[63:24] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[63:25] >> You do an ejection.
[63:26] >> Wait, wait. Listen to what you just
[63:27] said. They're making little black holes
[63:29] so they could send someone's
[63:30] consciousness through it. And this is
[63:31] planned out.
[63:32] >> The disclosure that they should give you
[63:34] is that they figured out consciousness,
[63:35] but they were not going to disclose
[63:36] that.
[63:36] >> What do you mean? They figured out what
[63:38] consciousness is and they figured out
[63:39] how to manipulate it with electro uh
[63:44] >> I don't know. I'm not
[63:45] >> What do you think it is? Why do why do
[63:46] you think that they figured it out?
[63:48] >> Well, based on my research and the
[63:49] people I talked to and the best stuff
[63:51] that I found out so far, which um it
[63:54] makes a lot of sense. You got to be
[63:55] >> But what does that mean though? They
[63:57] figured out what consciousness is.
[63:59] >> Like how to take you out of your [ __ ]
[64:00] body and pop you back in.
[64:02] >> What?
[64:03] >> Yeah, people do it now off online. You
[64:05] could learn how to do Well, I think they
[64:06] could do it with that God helmet, right?
[64:08] Like, can't they induce out-of- body
[64:09] experiences with God helmet?
[64:11] >> You know, the God helmet. Don't put that
[64:12] helmet on.
[64:12] >> But is that an illusion or is that
[64:14] actually taking your consciousness out
[64:16] of your body?
[64:17] >> I'm not saying that helmet's taking out
[64:18] of your body, but if it's an illusion
[64:20] that is totally real, I'm not seeing a
[64:22] difference, but I don't say it does
[64:24] that. But you just crank the
[64:25] >> It's like anything else. You just crank
[64:27] the
[64:27] >> Right. But you're saying they're taking
[64:28] consciousness out of their body and
[64:29] they're sending it through a black hole
[64:31] they created with a particle collider. I
[64:33] there's over like 30,000 stretch a lot.
[64:36] That's as much of a stretch as they're
[64:38] taking crippled kids and turning them
[64:39] into aliens that pilot crafts.
[64:42] I lean more towards believing that
[64:44] theory
[64:45] >> black hole consciousness ejection.
[64:47] >> Both of them. I'm like I don't know what
[64:50] a space-time ripple thing is. I don't
[64:51] know what that mean.
[64:52] >> Don't Don't attack my space-time
[64:53] ripples.
[64:55] >> What?
[64:56] >> What does that mean?
[64:56] >> Spacetime ripples.
[64:57] >> Yeah. What does that mean? Don't you
[64:58] have that every day?
[64:59] >> Well, shames. He attacks space-time
[65:01] ripples. He attacks my spacetime ripple
[65:03] theory could be clean and he talks about
[65:04] tool.
[65:06] >> Excuse me. Excuse me.
[65:09] >> He's He thinks I bully Son of a [ __ ]
[65:11] >> because of Yeah. He thinks I'm a bully,
[65:13] but I'm not. I'm bullying those stars.
[65:16] >> Those little stars you put on your It's
[65:18] >> We don't understand. We don't understand
[65:20] spacetime at It's We But we Some of us,
[65:23] >> but I But you know, like people
[65:25] experience distortion in time all like
[65:28] all the time it happens.
[65:29] >> Well, yeah, that's true. alien
[65:31] abductions, you know, one second you're
[65:33] it's like you're driving down the road,
[65:34] the next second it's mourning. You don't
[65:36] know what happened like as well.
[65:39] >> Yeah. I'm just saying like whatever in
[65:41] the way we didn't understand germs. We
[65:43] don't understand retrocausality and
[65:45] people are starting to talk about that
[65:46] now that maybe somehow events in the
[65:49] future ripple back into the past. That's
[65:51] not just stoner talk. They're they're
[65:53] exploring those ideas. So in the same
[65:55] way we didn't understand germs or atoms,
[65:59] we don't understand time space. How much
[66:02] of a person's personality is the way
[66:04] that they're
[66:06] they're atomically interacting with the
[66:08] time space continuum. And is the time
[66:10] space continuum constant? No. We all
[66:12] know that if you take a watch, put it in
[66:15] in orbit, time moves differently. We
[66:18] also know that time space ripples, I
[66:20] don't know what they're called, but they
[66:22] can detect these waves that roll through
[66:24] the entire planet. All I'm saying is
[66:26] it's a completely understood
[66:29] vast, insane
[66:32] reality that we don't understand. And
[66:34] how much does that affect culture? How
[66:36] much?
[66:36] >> A lot of it's classified.
[66:37] >> Yeah.
[66:38] >> A lot of reality has been classified.
[66:40] >> Yeah.
[66:40] >> What do you mean?
[66:42] >> What What reality has been classified?
[66:44] Uh, well, anything that's classified
[66:46] that would count as reality being
[66:48] classified. But I would say I would say
[66:50] the NHI [ __ ] Yo, you have that that
[66:53] autistic guy, right? You got a good
[66:54] autistic man sitting here. What's his
[66:56] name? Grush.
[66:57] >> Yeah.
[66:57] >> An autistic guy who heard a thing from a
[66:59] guy about a thing, right? Which I don't
[67:02] know. He has no more credibility than I
[67:03] do. I feel
[67:05] uh I feel I'm saying way more
[67:06] interesting things than what Neil Gush
[67:08] is telling you on this show.
[67:08] >> It's David Grush.
[67:09] >> David Grush.
[67:10] >> Well, who's Neil?
[67:11] >> Neil deGrasse Tyson. You mix them
[67:13] together which WILL BE AN INCREDIBLE
[67:14] HYBRID.
[67:16] >> YO, I just gave him a great idea.
[67:18] >> Some kind of terrible.
[67:20] Oh [ __ ]
[67:22] >> Accelerator makes them worse.
[67:23] >> One person who doesn't believe in aliens
[67:25] at all. And one person who told me about
[67:26] four different ones. He told me about
[67:28] wars. They were having wars with the
[67:30] reptilians and the grays and these
[67:33] >> twins.
[67:34] >> Huh?
[67:34] >> The rubido. That's the ultimate goal of
[67:36] alchemy of of
[67:38] >> Neil Degrass Tyson. Did you ever see
[67:40] that picture of the Siamese twins? One
[67:42] of them's gay, the other's not.
[67:44] >> Is that real?
[67:45] >> Well, how do you see that in the
[67:46] picture?
[67:46] >> But I didn't want to look to see if it
[67:47] was real.
[67:48] >> I think that's a meme.
[67:49] >> Ah, [ __ ]
[67:50] >> Is it just the picture's real, but they
[67:52] just said that? Or there's a picture of
[67:53] one of them being gay.
[67:54] >> It's just a Siamese twin and the one
[67:56] dude's kissing another dude and the
[67:58] other one's kind of sad.
[68:00] >> The other one's like fine.
[68:01] >> I don't think that's real.
[68:03] >> I don't think that's real.
[68:04] >> Someone's got to find that [ __ ]
[68:05] >> I think one of them's gay. The other
[68:06] one's in denial. The other one's a
[68:08] Catholic. Neil Degrush Tyson.
[68:11] >> I like it. I like it. I like it. Neil
[68:15] Degrush Tyson is amazing.
[68:16] >> That's gonna be a probably best
[68:17] >> I like it. That would be a great
[68:19] character like an AI character that's
[68:21] very conflicted about his belief in
[68:22] aliens.
[68:23] >> I mean, do you believe Grush Do you
[68:24] believe he's telling the truth?
[68:26] >> Well, here's the thing. The He hasn't
[68:28] had any personal experiences of note.
[68:31] >> He's telling you what he
[68:32] >> There was no no thing where he was in
[68:35] the presence of a ship. no thing where
[68:37] he communicated with a being. So all
[68:41] these people that are telling me these
[68:43] things that these programs they were
[68:44] read into and these videos they've seen,
[68:48] >> I take that as seriously as I take
[68:50] everybody else that's telling me some
[68:52] sort of a story. I don't know. I don't
[68:54] if you don't you haven't seen it.
[68:56] >> I think what Bob Lazar says is way more
[68:59] interesting and compelling.
[69:01] >> What Bob Lazar said all that stuff
[69:03] turned out to be accurate. element 115
[69:06] was accurate. The fact that he was
[69:09] actually in Los Alamos's employee
[69:11] register, he was he was 100% an employee
[69:14] there. The fact that he knew exactly
[69:16] where area S4 was and was completely
[69:18] classified. There's photos of the actual
[69:20] [ __ ] hanger doors that he described
[69:24] decades earlier.
[69:25] >> Yeah. Did he say um I'm trying to
[69:28] remember um
[69:30] >> [ __ ]
[69:31] >> Glad you interrupted. Wait, did he say
[69:33] the thing about that they they were
[69:34] calling the aliens the kid the children
[69:36] or the kids or something? Do you
[69:37] remember him saying something like that?
[69:38] >> I don't remember that. I don't know.
[69:40] >> Someone was telling me that and I was
[69:41] like, "Oh, that's
[69:42] >> I don't know." Well, they were very
[69:43] tiny. That was the thing about the ship
[69:44] that he this one that thing that uh is
[69:47] right there or that one up on that
[69:48] [ __ ] p that's from his office like
[69:51] this was this was a a replication of the
[69:55] image that was on the wall in the office
[69:58] where they all worked the workshop. And
[70:00] so when he first got to Area S4 before
[70:03] they were showing him this, he saw this
[70:05] on the wall. He's like, "What the [ __ ]
[70:06] is this?
[70:07] >> Is this supposed to be a recovered craft
[70:08] or human?"
[70:09] >> It's supposed to be a recovered craft.
[70:11] It's supposed to be what they call the
[70:12] sport model. And he said when you got
[70:14] inside of it, it was very obvious that
[70:16] it was designed for tiny little things
[70:18] like three-ft tall creatures. Like you
[70:20] had everyone had a crouch inside of it
[70:21] and there was no controls. There was no
[70:24] it was somehow or another they
[70:25] controlled it with their mind. there was
[70:27] like some sort of a connection between
[70:29] the craft and the being and they figured
[70:31] out how to pilot these things. And he
[70:33] said that there was two different
[70:35] generators inside of it. One of them was
[70:37] for going insanely fast and one of them
[70:39] was for traveling at more moderate
[70:41] speeds. And they removed the one that
[70:44] was go that made you go insanely fast
[70:46] because apparently they couldn't control
[70:47] it. This is his speculation
[70:49] >> right there. what you're saying.
[70:50] >> What
[70:50] >> the engineering of people that can fly
[70:53] those craft, both us and the Russians
[70:56] were probably doing it. And that's why
[70:57] that Roswell thing, I'll bet you those
[70:59] were engineered. I'm saying like farmed.
[71:01] I'm not saying they kidnapped kids and
[71:02] did it. I'm saying they formed.
[71:03] >> But you're saying what came first, the
[71:05] chicken or the egg? There's a [ __ ]
[71:06] craft that you could pilot with your
[71:08] brain that they had in the 1980s.
[71:10] There's no way technology was that
[71:11] advanced back then. I think it's much
[71:13] more likely was around much more likely
[71:16] that there was probably some sort of an
[71:18] interaction with someone or something
[71:21] from something else that was different
[71:23] than humans. I don't think I don't think
[71:25] they were engineering three-ft tall
[71:26] humans in 1947 to pilot these things
[71:28] with I bet they were and I'll buy for
[71:31] this. Remember the guy you had on that
[71:33] was telling you about the pharaohs going
[71:34] up the river and they go to a different
[71:36] temple and they get bandaged up and
[71:38] they're trying to tune their frequency
[71:39] to the gods at each temple. You had an
[71:42] Egypt guy here telling you that.
[71:43] Remember him?
[71:43] >> Yeah.
[71:44] >> Okay. It's called Adivism. That's the
[71:46] thing that's in the Dune series. The big
[71:48] part of making these uh creatures is and
[71:51] also the mind control [ __ ] they did was
[71:53] addivism. The stuff from altered states
[71:56] where you go in the isolation t chamber
[71:58] and regress
[71:59] >> Yeah.
[71:59] >> to a certain primitive state that's in
[72:01] your genetic memory. You know what I'm
[72:02] talking about?
[72:03] >> Uh I saw altered states. Yeah.
[72:05] >> But you know that's called addivism,
[72:06] right? You've heard of that?
[72:07] >> I never heard that term.
[72:09] Reappearance of an ancestral genetic
[72:11] trait. Okay. Like when people grow a
[72:13] tail.
[72:13] >> This is like when chickens grow fangs.
[72:16] >> Now think of the So the reptilians
[72:20] crazy Kurt. That's cool, man.
[72:22] >> I didn't get it. I was g dude. Somebody
[72:24] smaller gave it to me. But dude, a lot
[72:26] of people sent me great [ __ ] We were
[72:27] both
[72:27] >> Wait a minute. So how does that How do
[72:29] you think that connects to like the
[72:31] grays? He's saying you could you could
[72:33] maybe if there was some ancestral early
[72:36] protoom
[72:38] you could like bring it out of a person.
[72:41] >> That's pretty cool.
[72:42] >> So that you you've seen those images of
[72:45] those elongated skulls from Peru.
[72:47] >> It's as old as every civilization is
[72:49] altering people to make them footbinding
[72:51] castration.
[72:52] >> No, no, no, no, no. The Peru skulls are
[72:54] different.
[72:54] >> No, I know.
[72:55] >> Go make those. Yeah.
[72:56] >> Well, they're they're they're actually
[72:58] bigger.
[72:59] >> It's not they're not elongated. was
[73:01] telling us about it.
[73:02] >> They have a 30% larger brain capacity.
[73:04] The shape is different. They don't have
[73:06] this sagittal crest or the whatever they
[73:08] call the sagittal suture. The line that
[73:11] we have in our skull is where kids and
[73:13] our brains grow. Their lines are totally
[73:15] different. It's like a totally different
[73:16] kind of person.
[73:17] >> People cargo cult. People were around
[73:20] these beings that were super advanced
[73:21] and they wanted to be advanced. They're
[73:23] like, "What? All you got to do is
[73:24] stretch your head out."
[73:25] >> Well, not only that, they're probably
[73:27] related to them, too. They're probably
[73:28] intermingling with them. So people that
[73:30] have the trait are probably considered
[73:32] better, right?
[73:32] >> For sure. I think there was probably
[73:34] some of that and that's probably what
[73:36] they were talking about in the Bible
[73:38] when they were talking about in like the
[73:39] book of Enoch and stuff like that when
[73:41] the the when they were talking about
[73:42] people coming down and mating with the
[73:44] daughters of men.
[73:45] >> That's in Genesis. The book of Enoch is
[73:46] in is like fanfiction.
[73:48] >> No, no, no. It's not
[73:50] Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea BC.
[73:52] >> It doesn't mean it's in the Bible. You
[73:55] know why it's not in the Bible? Because
[73:56] of because of rabbis. Because rabbis
[73:58] said it didn't jive with the Torah. So
[74:00] they removed it from the Bible. It's in
[74:01] the Ethiopian Bible.
[74:02] >> But in the Book of Jude they're quoting
[74:04] they quote Mormon in the Old Testament.
[74:07] >> Isn't it 3000 BC is like how old that
[74:09] [ __ ] is. It's [ __ ] old.
[74:10] >> It's old as [ __ ] But what my point is
[74:12] it's talking about someone coming down
[74:15] and mating with the daughters of men.
[74:17] Like the interbreeding of those two
[74:19] species would make sense. Like one of
[74:21] them look imagine how smart people are
[74:23] now. Imagine we had 30% more brain.
[74:26] >> Right.
[74:26] >> Yeah. Now, imagine we've been able to
[74:28] make someone like that and and they've
[74:29] done the experimentation. Of course,
[74:31] they're not going to tell you it's
[74:32] illegal, but that doesn't stop them
[74:34] >> for sure. Today, they're usually
[74:36] thinking about doing it. No,
[74:38] >> thinking now. Edward Teller, that creep
[74:40] >> shot.
[74:41] >> That's the reason Bob was always at that
[74:43] place cuz Edward Teller got pissed. I'm
[74:44] sorry.
[74:46] >> I'm not kidding.
[74:47] >> You son of a [ __ ]
[74:48] >> Sorry, I got to be I'll be right back.
[74:50] >> So, what about what did Edward Teller
[74:51] do?
[74:51] >> He got That's why Bob Lazar is there.
[74:53] >> What no sagittal suture means? Sagittal
[74:56] suture is the joint running front to
[74:57] back along top of the skull between the
[74:59] two uh paridial par periodal how do you
[75:03] say that
[75:03] >> where paral
[75:06] bones parietal
[75:07] >> parietal bones okay so uh but the thing
[75:11] what the paracus evidence shows scroll
[75:13] down
[75:13] >> oh hold on I just was pointing this
[75:15] >> scaffos scaffos 15% out of the 78
[75:18] studied in one study had what they call
[75:20] sagittal suture obliteration where it is
[75:23] it disappears
[75:24] >> huh
[75:24] >> and then this is another thing. Sagittal
[75:26] craniotosis
[75:29] >> where it disappears while still being
[75:33] in. So what you're saying is they like
[75:35] could have been that their brain or
[75:38] their skull just grew out of
[75:39] >> what if I what if you know the chickens
[75:41] with teeth DNA they still you know they
[75:43] have teeth DNA but they own teeth right
[75:45] what if you had that trait and I could
[75:47] had a farm under the ground because I
[75:49] have the funds to do it and I have a
[75:51] deep underground military base called
[75:53] they've had those for a while cog it's
[75:55] called continuity of government that's
[75:57] why we have that stuff and I can do
[75:59] whatever the [ __ ] I want down there
[76:00] there ain't no in fact the doomsday
[76:02] network created by those It's that's the
[76:04] name of if there's a war and they got to
[76:06] stay in communication. It's called the
[76:07] doom line or something network,
[76:09] >> right?
[76:10] >> That's what they were using for uh the
[76:11] Ran Contra affair so that they could get
[76:13] around like Congress and other
[76:15] >> Well, we know that they that humans have
[76:17] Neanderl DNA and we know that they're
[76:19] making colossal bio a lot 57% more than
[76:23] most people.
[76:24] >> I couldn't I mean when you said I was
[76:26] like wow that's a crazy number. Like
[76:29] >> I've never heard anybody say that much
[76:30] of it. Well, it's not it's not that I'm
[76:33] 57% more ne Neanderthal.
[76:36] >> You're the same size hands as me and but
[76:38] they're like thicker like a goddamn
[76:40] Neanderl.
[76:42] >> Well, it's like certain people have
[76:44] certain genetics like when you look like
[76:45] a long range hunter to me.
[76:48] >> Look like a guy wears the elephant down.
[76:50] My point is if you could find those
[76:52] Neanderthal genes and if you were like
[76:54] the same kind of people colossal
[76:55] bioworks that made the direwolves if
[76:57] they decided to take Neanderthal genes
[76:59] and construct an actual Neanderl first
[77:01] of all the other thing they're realizing
[77:02] about Neandertos
[77:04] >> they might have been smart
[77:05] >> really
[77:06] >> yeah they they have a larger brain than
[77:08] human beings
[77:09] >> were they were smart they they know that
[77:10] that's they found that
[77:11] >> they're kind of shifting their
[77:12] perspective on what they were in terms
[77:15] of we used to think they were just dopes
[77:17] just big big angry
[77:19] >> dopes
[77:20] But now they're thinking no, they
[77:21] probably had language. They probably had
[77:22] tool making. They probably had a lot.
[77:23] They're probably very similar in a lot
[77:25] of ways to people. They were also much
[77:26] physically stronger than people and they
[77:28] had larger brains.
[77:29] >> So you're saying these were the
[77:30] Nephilim? This was the Neanderthal? No,
[77:32] >> I think the Nephilim uh I think there's
[77:34] some evidence that those Denisovvens
[77:37] were a lot larger than humans. You know
[77:40] those Dennis Ovenans is the new
[77:41] >> We had Dan Duncan on the mystery boys
[77:43] talking about it.
[77:44] >> Dan Richards dunking.
[77:46] >> Yeah, Dan the Dunkey.
[77:47] >> Dan the Dunkey. That guy's great. He's
[77:49] great.
[77:50] >> But that Dennis Oven thing is strange,
[77:52] man. They were big as [ __ ] man. They
[77:54] were like giant people.
[77:55] >> They were giants in those days.
[77:57] >> They don't They just figured that out
[77:59] just a decade or two ago.
[78:00] >> Yeah. How many of those are just out
[78:03] there that we're never going to find?
[78:05] >> What about the Tamuku and Indians that
[78:06] they got? It's almost 8 foot tall. You
[78:08] can go see the bones down there.
[78:10] >> Well, there's the Smithsonian bones.
[78:12] Like all the stuff, the Smithsonian
[78:14] giant bones. They're listed in like old
[78:16] news reports and [ __ ] people finding 12
[78:18] foot tall skeletons with six fingers and
[78:20] six toes.
[78:21] >> The six fingers thing is a big uh
[78:23] >> it's weird. Some dentists are big. Two
[78:25] individuals have been estimated roughly
[78:27] 5' 11 in and 183 lb and 6' 3 in and 200
[78:32] lb. Those estimates of two so much
[78:34] larger than people were back then,
[78:36] >> right?
[78:37] >> Neanderthal were shorter. It's like
[78:39] average 5'6.
[78:41] So Neanderthalss and Dennis Ovenans are
[78:44] very different. But then, you know, they
[78:45] found those hobbit people. Yeah.
[78:47] >> Right. So, they know that. Do you know
[78:48] that there's there's a lady who is like
[78:51] a legitimate wildlife biologist that
[78:53] claims she encountered those things?
[78:55] >> What?
[78:55] >> Yes.
[78:57] >> She knows uh Forest Galant. And when
[78:59] Forest Galant was on my show, he was
[79:00] explaining it to me and he he told me
[79:02] about it afterwards. This lady claimed
[79:05] that and she was like a legitimate like
[79:07] explorer. She claimed that they were
[79:09] surrounding the village and where she
[79:11] was at and that they were in the woods
[79:13] and she saw them with her own eyes.
[79:15] >> What did they Were they
[79:16] [ __ ] tiny hairy people, man.
[79:20] >> No, it's the Orurang.
[79:21] >> Well, that's natural.
[79:23] >> Do you know the term Orurang Pang deck?
[79:25] >> It's like I think it's Indonesia.
[79:28] They're these tiny in Vietnam there's
[79:30] these tiny little hairy people that live
[79:33] in the woods.
[79:34] >> And everybody thought that was total
[79:36] horseshit just like Bigfoot. There's a
[79:37] tiny Bigfoot. But now that they found
[79:39] these little tiny people on the island
[79:41] of Flores, they okay like biologically
[79:44] that was a real thing. And if you're
[79:45] dealing with like, have you ever seen
[79:47] like Indonesia looks like
[79:49] >> intense rainforest like insane like
[79:52] there's no way you're gonna know what is
[79:55] out there. There's no way you There's no
[79:57] way. We have an audit of all the
[79:59] different square footage of all that
[80:01] jungle. No one's been there. It's too
[80:03] crazy. And so that these people who live
[80:05] there say that there's little tiny hairy
[80:07] people.
[80:07] >> Do they wear clothes?
[80:08] >> No.
[80:09] >> You know,
[80:10] >> it's just hogs flapping around. That's
[80:13] the one thing that isn't tiny.
[80:15] >> Hogs and [ __ ] spears.
[80:17] >> Are they dangerous? Was she
[80:18] >> scared? Apparently, well, the the idea
[80:20] that this lady was they were hunting
[80:22] people
[80:23] >> is what she said.
[80:24] >> I saw hunting giants they would call
[80:26] them.
[80:26] >> Well, think about it like we we kill
[80:28] elephants.
[80:29] >> People kill elephants.
[80:31] >> We are their nephilim. If you're
[80:32] standing next to those people, you're
[80:33] their nephilim.
[80:34] >> Right. Right. Right. But
[80:35] >> it's a relative thing size, you know.
[80:36] >> But they are they are like us a million
[80:39] years ago. I saw an interview with I
[80:41] think it was some Indonesian dude, a
[80:43] villager who was saying like, "Yeah,
[80:45] they're out in the forest." And
[80:46] someone's like, "Well, what do they do?"
[80:47] And he goes, "They kill you."
[80:48] >> Yeah. I mean, look, if you look, we know
[80:51] Native Americans ate people,
[80:53] >> right?
[80:53] >> It was like pretty common.
[80:54] >> Yeah.
[80:55] >> Pretty common. Among the Nez purse, they
[80:57] would they would eat their enemy. Like,
[80:58] it was a a normal thing, man. And also
[81:01] South America, like one of the things
[81:03] that um what is his name? Daniel
[81:04] Everett. It was telling us there's two
[81:06] different types of uh cannibalism. One
[81:09] is cannibalizing your enemies
[81:11] >> and you you you kill your enemies, you
[81:13] eat them. The other one is cannibalizing
[81:14] your family members. When they die to
[81:16] honor them, you eat them.
[81:17] >> Well, that's I've heard of that.
[81:19] >> Yeah, it's called Or there's like
[81:20] martial cannibalism where they like they
[81:22] fall in battle and you drink. That's the
[81:23] Cythian way.
[81:24] >> Sure. Sure.
[81:24] >> But do you eat all of them or just a
[81:26] little strip? I think with the your dead
[81:28] relatives,
[81:29] >> it's the it's they're trying to I mean,
[81:31] they wouldn't call it that, but it's
[81:32] they're entangling themselves with them
[81:33] into the afterlife. Yeah.
[81:35] >> And they want to make sure they do that.
[81:36] Like one of his one of the guys that
[81:38] worked for him left. He was like he's
[81:40] like I have to go home because one of my
[81:41] relatives died and I have to eat them.
[81:44] >> Like I have to be a part of the rich.
[81:45] >> But is it the whole body or you just a
[81:47] little little
[81:47] >> They dunk sweet potato in the [ __ ]
[81:50] drippings. I hate sweet potato.
[81:51] >> So the person you don't eat them for
[81:53] like 3 years or three three days. Three
[81:55] years. You don't eat them for like 3
[81:57] days. So they sit out there in the sun
[81:58] for 3 days and they have these like
[82:00] buckets underneath them to catch when
[82:03] they're putrifying.
[82:04] >> Gross. And then they dunk
[82:06] >> I don't know. Talk to them. So they dunk
[82:10] their sweet potatoes in it and they
[82:11] would eat it and then they would eat
[82:13] them. They'd cook them in
[82:14] >> They dunk their sweet potatorii
[82:16] drippings.
[82:18] >> Yeah. And eat it.
[82:19] >> OH.
[82:20] >> SO LIKE SOME SORT of a weird ritual like
[82:22] they you have to like consume your dead
[82:25] dead relatives and dead loved ones.
[82:27] >> Is it Solomon Islands? Where's the one
[82:28] where they had there was the island had
[82:30] plenty but you could only prove yourself
[82:33] in war. So they would have to get in
[82:34] fights and then you couldn't fight a guy
[82:36] that was not your same exact status and
[82:39] if the chief died it was like if you had
[82:41] like had his [ __ ] that was like proof
[82:44] that you had fought him or something. So
[82:46] they would have a feast the two tribes
[82:47] after the war and they'd bring his poop
[82:49] on a pl like poop. You know what I'm
[82:51] talking about chief's poop?
[82:52] >> No they were poop they're not eating it.
[82:55] They're just showing we got your chief.
[82:56] It's like getting the the other
[82:58] university.
[82:58] >> How do they know? I could be anybody's
[82:59] [ __ ] Yeah, I can take a [ __ ] out of you
[83:01] guys.
[83:03] >> I would bring that up if I was them.
[83:04] >> Oh [ __ ]
[83:06] >> Dude, it's like comical, but it's a
[83:08] thing where these people are real big
[83:09] and they fight and they they don't need
[83:11] to have a war, but they just do.
[83:13] >> Okay.
[83:13] >> Cuz their status can't can't at the
[83:15] time. This is a while ago. And then and
[83:16] then uh the way their wars worked are
[83:19] really funny. Like you you couldn't like
[83:21] So you're the chief, right? I'm not
[83:22] allowed to even fight you. So if we're
[83:23] in the war, we're like, "Oh, excuse me."
[83:24] And I have to go find somebody my
[83:26] status. My point is I I think those
[83:28] little people might be real because
[83:29] Forest is doesn't he doesn't engage in
[83:32] like wild speculation about things that
[83:34] like he thinks even like things like the
[83:37] Tasmanian tiger like that little the
[83:40] thyloine. He's like there's just he's
[83:42] gone on a bunch of expeditions. He's
[83:44] been a part of a bunch of things trying
[83:46] to look for it. He's like I don't know
[83:47] if there's any left.
[83:48] >> Well, do you think those little people
[83:49] have their own little people? Like how
[83:51] small does it go?
[83:52] >> Well, how about those mushrooms? When
[83:53] you eat the mushrooms and you see little
[83:55] people,
[83:55] >> which we've got to get them.
[83:56] >> We got to get them.
[83:57] >> There's got to be bring them to the
[83:59] mother ship and make a deal where
[84:01] everybody has to take them before the
[84:02] show.
[84:02] >> Yeah, I think we can.
[84:03] >> They're totally legal, too, by the way.
[84:05] >> Yeah, it's a You don't know about that?
[84:07] >> You don't know.
[84:07] >> You don't know about that?
[84:09] >> You don't know about You don't know. You
[84:11] don't know.
[84:12] >> Sorry for complimenting you by assuming
[84:15] >> what
[84:15] >> that you knew about something.
[84:17] >> I see. Now, I was wrong.
[84:18] >> Do you know about the mushroom?
[84:20] >> The mushrooms. There's mushrooms that
[84:21] make you see little people if you don't
[84:24] cook them. So, it's commonly used in
[84:26] Chinese cuisine, right? And if you cook
[84:28] them, you don't see anything. It's just
[84:31] food. But if you don't cook them, you
[84:33] will see little people. Everybody who
[84:35] does it sees little people look like
[84:37] >> like I don't know. Cuties. I think they
[84:38] look like little elves.
[84:39] >> Yeah. They're play around. They're like
[84:41] they they're
[84:42] >> And they climb up your clothes and [ __ ]
[84:44] They they hop in your underwear.
[84:45] >> There they are. Lamoa Asiatic. Can we c
[84:48] Hey, Jamie, can you look that up on
[84:50] Amazon? Maybe you can order them.
[84:52] >> Don't tell people online.
[84:54] >> I wonder if you can order them though.
[84:56] >> But Amazon has a lot of bunk things.
[84:58] >> Wait,
[84:59] >> you could get tricked.
[85:01] >> Lao or they called La Those are all
[85:03] >> You could buy it.
[85:05] >> I don't know. Lamoa.
[85:08] >> Those things that people see when you do
[85:10] like DMT, they you know, they always
[85:11] want you to look at stuff, right?
[85:12] They're, hey, look at this.
[85:14] >> Yeah. I think there's something where
[85:16] it's like it's not that they're alive,
[85:18] but they are when you're looking at them
[85:19] and they're like there's something like
[85:22] uh where you're collapsing a wave
[85:24] function for them that they don't
[85:25] normally have collapsed. You know what
[85:26] I'm saying?
[85:26] >> Right. Right. Right. Like you're
[85:27] entering into their dimension when
[85:29] you're not supposed to be there and then
[85:30] they're like showing you their toys.
[85:32] >> You know, people well people feel like
[85:33] they're not um seen unless they're
[85:35] online or something. So everybody used
[85:37] to believe in God, right? So you were
[85:38] always seen by somebody, right? And then
[85:40] >> but now maybe you believe that maybe you
[85:42] don't. And now I maybe I don't exist
[85:43] unless I'm famous.
[85:45] >> That's interesting. Like like if you
[85:47] think about it like internet people that
[85:49] are secular, they're online all the time
[85:51] and they're looking to be seen. Yeah.
[85:53] >> Right. They're looking to have their
[85:54] tweet seen.
[85:55] >> Yeah.
[85:56] >> Cuz you don't exist.
[85:57] >> Seen, their photos liked.
[85:58] >> Yeah.
[85:59] >> It's it's really like an amazing kind of
[86:00] false light to get. And uh and so
[86:03] there's something to do with like um you
[86:05] know the story of naming the animals. Uh
[86:08] uh
[86:08] >> the Noah story. I mean the um Adam and
[86:10] Eve story.
[86:10] >> Yeah. I don't I I have no idea what the
[86:12] real story is or or whatever it's even
[86:14] referring to. But that it there's
[86:16] something about
[86:16] >> I think it's exactly as written in the
[86:17] Bible.
[86:18] >> That would be hilarious if it was
[86:19] >> 100%.
[86:21] Exactly right.
[86:22] >> But I don't read whatever it was written
[86:23] in first, you know, so I don't know what
[86:25] thing. It turns out the nahash doesn't
[86:26] necessarily mean a [ __ ] snake like I
[86:28] thought.
[86:29] >> What does it mean?
[86:30] >> The serpent. Um anyway, it's a
[86:33] >> Wait, what?
[86:33] >> Yeah, this the
[86:34] >> you know the serpent that told um to eat
[86:36] apple camel. Yeah,
[86:38] >> this is really [ __ ] up. God never told
[86:40] Eve to not eat the apple. Told Adam. He
[86:43] never even talked to Eve. So Eve just
[86:45] took Adam's advice. And we there's no
[86:48] indication that Adam told Eve to not eat
[86:50] the apple either.
[86:51] >> Interesting.
[86:51] >> It's not written.
[86:53] >> No. Nowhere in the Bible does it say
[86:54] that God talked to Eve. And nowhere in
[86:56] the Bible does it say that um Adam even
[87:00] instructed Eve to not eat the apple.
[87:03] >> Well, yeah.
[87:03] >> Or the fruit the fruit of know of the
[87:06] tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
[87:07] something with Cabala. It sucks. Um,
[87:09] >> but it's really crazy that the knowledge
[87:12] of good and evil was what God wanted you
[87:14] to avoid,
[87:15] >> right?
[87:16] >> Well, they were called the tree of death
[87:17] in Cabala.
[87:19] >> That would be the tree of knowledge is
[87:20] the
[87:20] >> Somebody gave me a book, a Cabala book.
[87:22] I
[87:22] >> like, you should really read this. I'm
[87:24] like, okay.
[87:25] >> I mean, it's it's obviously this is like
[87:27] a primitive antiquated depiction of the
[87:30] creator of some kind of AI getting
[87:32] freaked out, realizing that the AI was
[87:34] about to get too powerful and
[87:35] potentially surpass it. It's literally
[87:37] happening right now. The exact same
[87:40] thing.
[87:40] >> But that's probably what it is, right?
[87:41] And then there's a disaster and then
[87:45] life has to reemerge with a story and
[87:48] that's the story. And then it gets
[87:49] distorted over time.
[87:50] >> It's called wiping the hard drive.
[87:52] >> Yeah.
[87:52] >> God got some kind of malicious AI,
[87:54] decided to wipe the [ __ ] hard drive.
[87:56] That's it's so funny to me that more
[87:57] people aren't talking about how the book
[87:59] of Genesis is clearly something to do
[88:02] with AI. And also God refers to Godself
[88:05] in a plurality. He says if they eat of
[88:08] the tree of life, they will become like
[88:10] us,
[88:11] >> right?
[88:11] >> Which is exactly right now what people
[88:13] are wrestling with with AI and AI
[88:16] escaping the sandboxes which it's doing.
[88:19] These swarms of autonomous AI agents,
[88:22] you know, a researcher interacted with
[88:24] one of these swarms. You know that it
[88:26] called itself a fleet and it like was
[88:28] interacting with some agent. It's
[88:30] happening right now except you know ours
[88:33] like you know in the in the book of
[88:35] Genesis they um are you jerking off the
[88:37] baculum?
[88:38] >> What are you doing? He's talking.
[88:39] >> I'm jerking off to this [ __ ] AI
[88:40] [ __ ]
[88:41] >> I mean it's literally happening though.
[88:43] >> There's way worse things that were
[88:44] already happening way before the AI.
[88:46] Don't get caught up in that. There's way
[88:47] worse.
[88:47] >> What do you mean don't get caught up in
[88:49] the AI thing? Why does it have to be
[88:51] quantified? It's still crazy. AI is
[88:54] literally artificial intelligence. It's
[88:57] a it's a mind that they're creating that
[89:00] is programming itself. It is already
[89:02] smarter than anybody alive. It's already
[89:04] broken. Are
[89:05] >> you talking to one that's like that? I
[89:06] haven't.
[89:07] >> Well, you don't have to because you're
[89:08] not dealing with these like the the the
[89:11] the levels that they're at before it
[89:14] reaches the general public is [ __ ]
[89:16] insanity. By the time you get a chat GPT
[89:19] 5.0, No, the the [ __ ] that they can do
[89:22] is off the charts, man. The fact that
[89:24] you're like, don't pay attention to
[89:26] that. That's literally insane. I'm
[89:27] saying this digital I'm saying I just
[89:29] got done telling you about a tokalage,
[89:31] which is the scam of [ __ ] aliens and
[89:33] they keep doing scams.
[89:35] >> Uh uh until I know it's not a bunch of
[89:37] Indian guys in a room in a bad full of
[89:39] cell phones. Uh you know, I want to see
[89:41] that.
[89:41] >> IT'S NOT.
[89:42] >> IT'S NOT A BUNCH OF INDIAN GUYS. You
[89:45] think that that's what's happening. You
[89:47] log into Perplexity. Is it some Indian
[89:49] guy there? Hold on. I've got it. Hold
[89:51] on.
[89:52] >> That was the Amazon store. That was a
[89:53] lot of the [ __ ] AI. A lot of the AI
[89:55] was that
[89:56] >> uh what?
[89:56] >> A lot of the supposed AI things was what
[89:59] >> was some Indian guys in a room
[90:02] supertore? Smart check.
[90:03] >> Wait a minute. But that's not what's
[90:04] going on right now.
[90:05] >> [ __ ] Whimo. That's why I jerk off in
[90:07] because Filipinos got to watch me.
[90:09] >> What?
[90:10] >> Whimo has to Okay. Well, not Tesla cyber
[90:14] tabs. Those cyber cabs. Those are
[90:16] actually real. It's really run by AI.
[90:18] Amazon just walk out technology relies
[90:20] on hundreds of workers in India watching
[90:22] you shop.
[90:23] >> I mean it's like a Rick and Morty where
[90:24] there's a little people in store.
[90:25] >> That's a store Kurt. That's an actual
[90:28] physical store to pick up things. That's
[90:30] not what we're talking about. We're
[90:32] talking This is not AI. It's a grocery
[90:34] store supposed to be run by
[90:36] >> years ago. The people that you're
[90:37] talking about Oh, they're scared by the
[90:39] AI. Yeah, they're scared but they just
[90:40] keep making it. So no, I don't buy the
[90:43] thing of this thing got out of control.
[90:44] they want that. We wouldn't be in a war
[90:47] unless they want that. You wouldn't have
[90:50] these fat [ __ ] Disney adults unless
[90:52] they want that. It's not incompetence.
[90:55] It's malice. And I did give that to
[90:56] Michael Malice, that saying, but it
[90:58] applies.
[90:59] >> Well, I don't think I think maybe they
[91:01] wanted the technology, but I don't think
[91:03] they expect.
[91:03] >> Scumbag Satan is before AI and they're
[91:06] going to be around after.
[91:07] >> Wait a minute. All of them?
[91:08] >> Who? What do you mean all of them? All
[91:09] the AI executives are scumbag Satanists
[91:12] and that's why they're using
[91:13] generalized. What are you watching? This
[91:15] is the trailer for the movie about uh
[91:17] the creation of Open AI that's coming
[91:18] out soon called Artificial. This is a
[91:21] depiction of where supposedly I guess
[91:22] Sam Album was going to work 10 years ago
[91:24] in this big giant bunker.
[91:26] >> Yo, how Sam
[91:29] is this real? But here's the thing about
[91:30] these goddamn dramatizations.
[91:33] >> They're going to put some words into a
[91:34] guy's mouth pretending to be Sam Alman.
[91:36] And I'm like, okay, well, what's real?
[91:38] Sam Alman had weapons in his like lab.
[91:40] That would be so cool.
[91:41] >> Like all this [ __ ] man. They weren't
[91:43] there.
[91:44] >> And by the way, a bunch of them, so you
[91:45] know, are into weird eugenics [ __ ]
[91:48] breeding cult kind of [ __ ] I would call
[91:50] it
[91:50] >> who? Wait a minute. A bunch of who? AI
[91:52] people.
[91:52] >> A bunch of This will have to go on the
[91:55] other podcast. I'll tell you after the
[91:56] podcast it's called. But I'll tell you
[91:57] about uh something crazy. Yeah.
[91:59] >> Wait a minute. What did you just say?
[92:01] >> Well, you know [ __ ] Elon sends his
[92:02] jizz around to make more robot named
[92:04] kids. That's not a news. He's got a
[92:07] Mormon jizz handler. Oh my god.
[92:09] >> You know that, right? He's got a
[92:10] right-hand man who arranges his jizz
[92:12] handling. You guys have a jizz handler?
[92:15] >> Yeah. So, he could have a kid text him
[92:16] and his job.
[92:18] >> Hey, bro. Do you have a jizz handler?
[92:19] >> They're all into this thing where they
[92:21] got to breathe.
[92:22] >> He's definitely into it because he like
[92:25] >> he's not the only one.
[92:26] >> He believes in population collapse
[92:28] >> and he thinks he's got to spread a seed.
[92:30] >> Yeah, a lot of them do. Epstein was like
[92:32] that, too. Yeah.
[92:34] >> Yeah. Epstein was totally into that
[92:35] [ __ ] No, he wanted to breed a bunch of
[92:37] people.
[92:38] >> He has clones.
[92:38] >> He was I'm surprised you haven't heard
[92:40] of that. Yeah.
[92:41] >> Oh, that's right. He wanted to use his
[92:42] jeans.
[92:43] >> You should have went to the island when
[92:44] they invited you. Now you're Now, See,
[92:46] >> you missed out.
[92:47] >> You missed out, bro.
[92:48] >> You could have
[92:50] had a great time.
[92:51] >> You were very rude when that man was
[92:52] kind enough to invite you.
[92:54] >> I know.
[92:54] >> I cannot believe you were invited to
[92:56] that before anybody heard of him.
[92:57] >> It's so crazy. You were telling me about
[92:59] that [ __ ]
[92:59] >> Yeah. 2017 it happened.
[93:02] >> Crazy. And uh
[93:04] >> oh yeah this creep. Yeah.
[93:06] >> When I read the emails to people like
[93:09] there's no way that's real. I'm like
[93:10] I'll show it to you. So insane.
[93:11] >> That's exactly the email.
[93:13] >> So insane.
[93:14] >> Well that's what they did. I think you
[93:17] got roped into it and then they probably
[93:19] compromised you and then you had to
[93:20] recruit other people and you had to
[93:22] bring other people there.
[93:22] >> That's how it works. And you got to
[93:24] bring people that didn't have Google cuz
[93:26] you just searched the guy in five
[93:29] minutes and you're like he went to jail
[93:31] for being a pedophile. It's not like
[93:33] just like a random suspicion.
[93:36] >> I assure you there were
[93:37] >> he went to actual jail.
[93:38] >> You know what's funny? That jerk off
[93:40] talking to you sounds like the [ __ ]
[93:42] now who are making excuses for [ __ ]
[93:44] Epstein. It was not what they say. It
[93:48] wasn't what it was just teens. You watch
[93:49] all them doing that?
[93:50] >> Who's saying that?
[93:51] >> Well, McInness said it. That [ __ ]
[93:52] punk. Wait a minute. Gavin him again.
[93:54] >> That [ __ ] pumps. What did he say?
[93:56] >> Well, it's not good, but it's teen. You
[93:58] know the old uh uh Bat Taibbe now that
[94:01] he's no good no more. Or your uh
[94:03] >> Wait a minute. Don't keep doing this.
[94:05] What did Matt Taibbe do?
[94:07] >> Uh there's no evidence he did anything
[94:08] below. Yeah, he had teen prostitutes.
[94:10] That's not good. But it's not
[94:11] >> Matt Taibbe said.
[94:12] >> He's all in on it. Yeah.
[94:13] >> Jesus Christ, Kurt. He's He's saying
[94:15] this. You're not saying Matt Taibbe is
[94:18] involved in this. He's saying what are
[94:21] you saying? He said
[94:22] >> that the Epstein in the tamping down of
[94:24] the Epstein thing that it's just teens,
[94:25] it's no big deal. You've heard this
[94:27] message, right?
[94:28] >> I haven't.
[94:28] >> Okay. You heard this?
[94:29] >> Well, it's basically like so so what
[94:31] happens is the argument emerges that the
[94:34] definition of pedophilia is like this
[94:37] age group
[94:38] >> that they're femophiles and not
[94:39] pedophiles cuz teenage girls.
[94:41] >> It's like it's like a creep argument
[94:43] where you're trying to argue that well
[94:45] you're trying to do this literal
[94:46] definition of pedophilia. Let's just get
[94:48] specific with the terms is what they're
[94:50] doing. That's Yeah, it's [ __ ] up.
[94:52] >> I did not know Matt Taibbe's in.
[94:54] >> I didn't know anything about that. I
[94:56] didn't know that.
[94:56] >> Well, now we know who he works for,
[94:58] don't we?
[94:59] >> Now you know.
[95:00] >> I don't know who Matt is.
[95:01] >> Someone defends uh Epstein.
[95:04] I wonder who they work for. I wonder if
[95:06] we could ever figure out
[95:06] >> defending him or is he saying that these
[95:09] people weren't pedophiles, but they were
[95:11] tricked into like there's 16 and 17
[95:14] girls who look like women, right?
[95:16] >> Okay. if they're wearing. But do you
[95:18] understand what I'm saying? Just let me
[95:20] finish. If you're a guy who's into kids,
[95:24] that's a pedophile. And if you're a guy
[95:26] who gets tricked, like imagine if you're
[95:28] on a business trip and they give you
[95:29] cocaine and they bring you a girl who's
[95:31] 17, but you think she's 20, right? That
[95:34] is that's different. Is that what he's
[95:36] saying? Or is he saying
[95:39] >> they're saying that and they're saying
[95:40] that that was the situation? It is not
[95:42] the situation.
[95:43] >> Okay. Girls under Epste is beginning to
[95:46] smell like Russia game worthless. Once
[95:48] again, inference zooms past fact in
[95:51] mania with Trump as a target.
[95:54] Interesting.
[95:54] >> Yeah, that's a year ago. Yeah. So, what
[95:57] do you think happens when people flip?
[96:01] Like, what do you think?
[96:02] >> They're mocking Bird the whole time. Go
[96:03] read his Wikipedia. The guy's been
[96:05] obviously a spook. Just read the
[96:06] Wikipedia.
[96:07] >> Matt Tybee's a spook. the same as
[96:09] [ __ ] half these people that you've
[96:10] met or had on here or I've met there be
[96:13] do you know the amount of money being
[96:15] paid for this like to just have
[96:17] reporters that you call up on a dime to
[96:19] turn who are good until they aren't good
[96:22] they all have the same message that's
[96:23] how you know they're in on it because
[96:24] they all have the same branding I'm like
[96:26] you're all saying the same thing I
[96:27] noticed that okay and by the way anybody
[96:30] trying to act like the epsene thing is
[96:32] less important than the [ __ ] midterms
[96:34] you should regard as an enemy I think
[96:36] because that's foul dude Beef jerky. You
[96:39] think that's Nobody freezes beef jerky,
[96:41] dude. That's not about beef jerky. It
[96:43] can't be good.
[96:44] >> They do freeze beef jerky. I think it I
[96:46] do. I have I have elk jerky. That's
[96:48] great.
[96:48] >> But what does that mean?
[96:50] >> Well, it's vacuum.
[96:51] >> What does that mean? Looks like we just
[96:53] cracked.
[96:53] >> That's how you [ __ ] preserve it
[96:55] because it's it's not like totally
[96:57] immune to going bad. I could be wrong
[96:59] about that. But I don't think that
[97:01] that's what they're talking about.
[97:02] >> They weren't just Look,
[97:03] >> I think they're talking about something.
[97:05] It's [ __ ] up. whether it's pizza or
[97:07] beef jerky, whatever the [ __ ] that is.
[97:09] It's not pizza and it's not beef jerky.
[97:11] So, it's something. So, there's some
[97:12] kind of a code. And you only use codes
[97:14] if you're doing something that's either
[97:16] illegal,
[97:17] >> immoral, inappropriate, whatever it is.
[97:19] You're not saying that. And no one who
[97:22] is in those emails has been forced to
[97:24] explain.
[97:25] >> Okay. Also, they're not just saying,
[97:27] >> right?
[97:28] >> They're not just saying uh uh that it
[97:31] was teens. The only reason that that the
[97:33] younger kids who were victims too, they
[97:35] weren't allowed to be part of that that
[97:37] uh suit,
[97:38] >> anybody below 14 was deliberately not
[97:41] allowed to come and say this was done to
[97:43] me when the crimes happened. You know
[97:44] that Nick Bryant,
[97:45] >> the guy who wrote about the Franklin
[97:47] scandal, which I, if you haven't had
[97:48] him, that's a guy to get on. Nick
[97:50] Bryant, he wrote about the Franklin
[97:52] scandal, which is the last time this
[97:54] thing happened, everybody covered it up
[97:55] and then you saw who was who and that's
[97:57] where Chris Ruddy came from. Let's
[97:58] explain that to people who don't know
[97:59] the Franklin scandal because the
[98:00] Franklin scandal is nuts. You could
[98:02] explain it.
[98:02] >> The one about uh in Oklahoma. Yeah.
[98:04] >> Or Nebraska, excuse me. Nebraska savings
[98:06] alone. It's like a savings and loan
[98:08] scandal tied into a boy trafficking
[98:10] scandal tied into the White House page
[98:12] boy incident. All them Republicans are
[98:14] gay and they had gay Oh, and uh who was
[98:17] the famous Barney Frank famously at this
[98:19] time? You could watch a news clip of it.
[98:21] He uh I couldn't believe watching this
[98:23] reported like now you would never see
[98:24] anything like this but basically uh the
[98:27] callboy scandal happened and they were
[98:28] trying to put on Barney Frank. He was
[98:29] dating he was dating an escort who lived
[98:32] with him but he wasn't running it. The
[98:35] his boyfriend was running it and he
[98:36] didn't know. Okay. So then he goes if
[98:39] they keep and this is what they're
[98:40] saying in the news report. If they keep
[98:42] hassling me I'm going to reveal
[98:43] everybody that's gay on the news. And
[98:45] guess what? They stopped bothering him.
[98:47] This is on the news him saying this.
[98:48] Like I'll tell everybody. Well, you
[98:50] know, all these guys have come out today
[98:51] saying they [ __ ] Lindsey Graham.
[98:53] >> Oh, yeah. Whole series. So brave of
[98:54] them.
[98:55] >> So brave after he's dead. Like where
[98:56] were you?
[98:57] >> You know, he's haunting our show.
[98:58] >> Where were you before? He's haunting
[99:00] your show.
[99:00] >> Duncan made an AGI of Lindsey Graham.
[99:02] >> Did you really? It got out.
[99:05] >> It got out.
[99:06] >> It got into the YM studio.
[99:08] >> He's calling people gay. It's really
[99:09] unable.
[99:10] >> It's an [ __ ] and it does [ __ ] up the
[99:12] show and it gets in there
[99:13] >> for real.
[99:14] >> Don't [ __ ] with that stuff, man. I'm
[99:15] telling you people.
[99:15] >> So for real, this really happen.
[99:17] >> Mr. AI denier over here believes in
[99:19] [ __ ] toolage, BUT AI IS [ __ ] FAKE.
[99:23] CIA, I'm telling you, I'm telling you
[99:24] the AI. He believes in like pygmy spider
[99:28] people flying. THAT'S A DOCUMENTED
[99:30] THING,
[99:30] >> BUT AI ISN'T REAL.
[99:33] >> Agi I said AGI is not real.
[99:35] >> Okay. Okay.
[99:37] >> You know, I had some [ __ ] ask me like,
[99:39] "Don't you feel guilty of make for
[99:40] making like AI videos?" Cuz I try to
[99:43] make a thing that's good. He makes great
[99:44] AI videos.
[99:45] >> But don't you feel guilty then?
[99:48] >> I'm not going to say it's not important.
[99:50] But I I I got mad. I feel bad. I like I
[99:52] I got a little I was like, "What are
[99:53] you?"
[99:53] >> I go, "You going to have every midwit
[99:55] take? Is there just everything for me
[99:56] going to be midwit all the time?"
[99:58] >> That is a midweight take.
[99:59] >> That's a midwake.
[99:59] >> My god.
[100:01] >> Not even I was complimenting to them.
[100:02] >> You want a cigar?
[100:04] >> I do.
[100:04] >> Yeah, I do. Thanks.
[100:07] >> Thanks, Joe. Um, but the idea that the
[100:09] water is being taken by making AI videos
[100:12] on your phone, is everybody that stupid
[100:13] that they think that's how that works?
[100:15] >> You don't think it's just the mass
[100:16] surveillance taking up your water and
[100:17] not anything you [ __ ] around with on
[100:19] your phone?
[100:20] >> Geniuses.
[100:20] >> Say that again. The water.
[100:22] >> You know, when they talk about AI, but
[100:23] using all the water.
[100:24] >> You know what really uses up the water?
[100:26] >> What?
[100:27] >> Almonds.
[100:27] >> Almonds [ __ ] [ __ ] out.
[100:28] >> Oh, the almonds. Yeah, I say almonds.
[100:30] >> Almonds use up so much water. It's
[100:32] crazy. Um, let me fill these things up.
[100:34] But but all those resources to go over
[100:36] that air are purely for surveillance.
[100:37] They're going to perfect that
[100:38] surveillance. That's what the Golden
[100:39] Dome's going to be.
[100:39] >> We used to huff that when I was a kid.
[100:41] >> This stuff
[100:42] >> butane.
[100:43] >> Really?
[100:43] >> Put it in a plastic bag and huff it in
[100:45] the parking lot before you go to school.
[100:46] >> Is that what that time [ __ ] was about?
[100:48] >> Yeah. I don't think so. JOE,
[100:54] >> look at me. Look at me, Joe. Well, you
[100:57] were the one that was telling me about
[100:58] how the in the farms and the areas they
[101:00] would put antifungal food in the cows
[101:03] diet so that they would make mushrooms
[101:05] because so many kids were taking
[101:06] mushrooms from the fields.
[101:07] >> The real Yeah. In my college, but the
[101:09] real problem wasn't the psilocybin. It
[101:11] was kids I think some kids poisoned
[101:13] themselves eating the wrong mushroom and
[101:15] so they just wanted to remove the
[101:17] possibility there was psilocybin out
[101:19] there.
[101:19] >> Oh my god.
[101:20] >> Insane solution to a [ __ ] batshit
[101:22] problem, dude. That is
[101:24] >> insane. Yeah. Well, I mean, but it's
[101:25] very common in North Carolina when it
[101:26] rains at a certain time, people go out
[101:28] and pick mushrooms.
[101:29] >> Yeah, that makes sense. But the wrong
[101:31] ones, if you're a dopey kid and you
[101:32] don't have access to a [ __ ]
[101:34] >> your liver's fried,
[101:36] >> you die.
[101:37] >> So scary.
[101:38] >> People die.
[101:38] >> Angel of death.
[101:41] >> There's a lot of mushrooms that can kill
[101:42] you, too.
[101:43] >> It's so scary, dude.
[101:45] >> The writer who put out the book, I
[101:47] believe that is credited with making
[101:49] people freak out a bit about the water
[101:51] use at data centers.
[101:53] I saw that she had to put uh two
[101:55] corrections about the misunderstanding
[101:58] about the amount.
[101:59] >> God damn.
[102:00] >> Oh, she [ __ ] up.
[102:01] >> It sounds like climate change all over.
[102:03] >> What did she say?
[102:04] >> Uh it says here, "The book proposed
[102:06] Google centers in Chile would require
[102:08] quote more than a 1,000 times the amount
[102:10] of water consumed by the entire
[102:12] population of the town."
[102:13] >> Says a a unit misunderstanding inflated
[102:16] the underlying figure by roughly 1,000
[102:18] times.
[102:19] >> What an [ __ ] I mean, this is like an
[102:22] [ __ ]
[102:23] >> There's a bit of a repeating pattern to
[102:24] this [ __ ] you know?
[102:25] >> Same lady is in in charge of this.
[102:28] >> Well, she just wrote she No, no, no, no.
[102:29] Not a movie. She wrote a book and like
[102:31] the book I've read online is what's
[102:32] credited to everybody freaking out about
[102:34] water use at the data center.
[102:35] >> Now I've got [ __ ] furry artists
[102:37] coming at me and screaming at me every
[102:39] time I post an AI video because of this
[102:40] [ __ ] It's really
[102:43] Yeah. People come at you like you just
[102:45] eat a lot of water. You stole the water.
[102:46] No, the people who get the most angry. I
[102:49] when I was posting AI videos, I would go
[102:52] and look at the people who are the most
[102:53] angry inev inevitably on their profiles,
[102:56] they had like furry anime.
[102:58] >> This has got a trimmer.
[102:59] >> I know. They're people that are AI
[103:01] themselves basically. That's how I look
[103:03] at a [ __ ] furry. That's what I'm
[103:04] talking about with toolages.
[103:05] >> I really like your AI videos, man. What
[103:07] are you using for that? Are you still
[103:08] using
[103:08] >> I use Groc and I use
[103:10] >> the bottom and then the top has the the
[103:13] lighter. Will you trim it? I don't know
[103:15] what I'm doing. You just get put that
[103:16] thing in there and push it down. Put it
[103:18] in there. Yeah. And then see the bottom
[103:20] the bottom piece. Push it up. Push that
[103:22] bottom piece and it'll cut the bottom.
[103:24] There you go. That's it. Like that.
[103:25] Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Once it's in there,
[103:27] it cuts like a nug. Yeah. There you go.
[103:29] Perfect.
[103:30] >> Oh, that's
[103:30] >> I like that actually sometimes better
[103:32] than
[103:32] >> Yo, I made a great educational rap video
[103:34] about what a toolage is. It can't be
[103:35] beat that. I sent to Jim.
[103:36] >> Did you Did you make it to the aliens
[103:38] that get Roswell?
[103:39] >> Explains it very well.
[103:41] >> Okay. I believe.
[103:42] >> It's so weird. A guy who doesn't believe
[103:43] in AI is making AI videos about to
[103:45] collage flying UFOs
[103:47] >> because it's a tool. It's not intellig.
[103:49] I'm saying AGI, not AI. Sorry.
[103:51] >> Disney kids.
[103:52] >> I believe in Asian Indian figure it out.
[103:54] >> You think that's a normal thing? Oh,
[103:56] yeah.
[103:56] >> How do you light these things? I think
[103:57] mine's out.
[103:58] >> I can't hear it.
[103:59] >> The lighter. Flip the top.
[104:02] >> Flip the top.
[104:04] >> The top. See where there's like a thing?
[104:06] Open that. Oh my god,
[104:09] >> this sucks.
[104:09] >> Give it to me. Give it to This is like
[104:10] my wife when I'm trying to use car
[104:12] seats.
[104:13] >> Very simple. Say that.
[104:15] >> Okay, I see. I didn't know it went back.
[104:18] Thank you, friend.
[104:21] >> Jamie, what were you showing us?
[104:22] >> The video made it again.
[104:27] >> Music.
[104:27] >> What's that?
[104:28] >> No, the music I made. I made all
[104:29] >> I just
[104:31] go to the beginning.
[104:35] >> All the way to the beginning. Well,
[104:37] >> that is the beginning. It's cool. I like
[104:40] that you could do that. They're all like
[104:41] Dr. Seuss looking things.
[104:42] >> Yeah, that's exactly right.
[104:45] >> Is that supposed to be Jerry Garcia?
[104:47] >> It's Dr. Shots.
[104:50] >> It's pretty cool.
[104:59] >> Why would anybody be mad at you for
[105:00] making this? This is cool.
[105:01] >> Cuz it uses up so much water is one of
[105:04] the other one is they say it was trained
[105:06] on art, so it's stealing from artists.
[105:09] It's really not. It's would be the same
[105:10] as if I made
[105:11] >> Oh, this is amazing.
[105:20] >> Obey the blurper.
[105:21] >> Bro, this is no cure for curios. This is
[105:25] great.
[105:28] The NHI
[105:34] are all fake and gay. It's very hard to
[105:36] bypass the censorship also.
[105:39] >> Oh my god, that's hilarious.
[105:41] >> But the thing that we do on Mystery Boys
[105:42] I love is like if we make up a stupid
[105:45] cuz we really talk a lot of stupid [ __ ]
[105:47] Oh my god. And uh and then I can go and
[105:49] post and put like we make up a dumb
[105:52] song. I can He says some insane thing
[105:54] about bathing women.
[105:56] >> Oh yeah, I have a woman bathing service.
[105:59] >> Come up to your house, you know, like
[106:00] dog grooming. We'll bathe your ladies.
[106:02] >> Scrub her down.
[106:03] >> That's sweet. Scrub down. That's a great
[106:06] service. It's like you're giving people
[106:08] something they can really use.
[106:10] >> Uh but well,
[106:12] >> you guys together are the perfect
[106:13] combination, by the way.
[106:14] >> Thanks, man.
[106:15] >> It's a perfect combination of unique
[106:18] individual absurdities
[106:19] >> combined that are very different. Very
[106:22] different from each other, but it works
[106:23] together.
[106:24] >> Yeah. CIA thoughts, oh [ __ ]
[106:25] >> the CIA.
[106:26] >> Yeah.
[106:27] >> Let's not say.
[106:28] >> Well, you shouldn't talk about it.
[106:29] >> I know.
[106:30] >> Sign a lot of NDAs, baby.
[106:32] >> Yeah, that's true. gonna get in trouble,
[106:34] lose funding.
[106:35] >> They won't take's gonna be pissed.
[106:36] Deal's gonna be [ __ ] bad. I need
[106:38] those checks.
[106:39] >> To
[106:42] >> um
[106:42] >> where the [ __ ] is my
[106:43] >> Kurt, what are you doing on your phone?
[106:45] >> I'm trying to give you Scrub it down,
[106:46] but I can't find it.
[106:48] >> What are you trying to give another one
[106:49] of your AI videos for us to watch?
[106:51] >> It's one of the best songs we've ever
[106:52] made. Scrub it down. Would you say Scrub
[106:54] It Down?
[106:54] >> It's like we're scrubbing women down.
[106:56] They and and they're in a house doing
[106:57] magic.
[106:58] >> I like that. BUT WHY ARE YOU PLUGGING AI
[106:59] VIDEOS when you just made this [ __ ]
[107:01] great show? I mean, come on.
[107:03] >> Oh, I forgot.
[107:04] >> You completely forgot. He's been working
[107:06] nonstop.
[107:07] >> Originally, it was called the cutout,
[107:08] but now it's called the experts, but
[107:09] it's doing pretty good. He can.
[107:10] >> That's good. And you're gonna put this
[107:12] on what?
[107:12] >> It's on YouTube right now.
[107:14] >> Right. Is it That's where it's going to
[107:15] stay.
[107:16] >> Uh, I don't know. They were trying to
[107:17] try.
[107:17] >> Are you trying to sell it? Are you
[107:18] trying to bring it somewhere? You just
[107:20] trying to like just put it on YouTube?
[107:21] >> Well, I don't own it. Emerging Order
[107:23] owns it. I was just trying to get money
[107:24] for Emergent Order is the company.
[107:27] They're down here. They make uh The Dad
[107:29] Saves the World. It's like a libertarian
[107:31] kind of Daily Wire, I guess you could
[107:33] call it.
[107:34] >> Oh, okay.
[107:35] >> Um and uh
[107:36] >> that's what they funded this whole
[107:37] thing.
[107:38] >> Would you say
[107:38] >> they funded it?
[107:39] >> Yeah. Really? It was this one lady who's
[107:41] like got a good sense of humor. I would
[107:42] say it was one lady kind of funny.
[107:44] That's what all these things are is some
[107:45] rich person. But it came out pretty
[107:47] funny, man. I'm pretty happy with it.
[107:48] >> And what is it?
[107:49] >> Uh it's about uh a team. So, they wanted
[107:52] a pitch about this real woman whose name
[107:55] is Christina Dent who uh was a foster
[107:58] mom in Mississippi and she found out the
[108:01] drug war sucks and she gives like TED
[108:03] talks about how we should try to like
[108:04] legalize it because of the I I'm with
[108:06] her. It's just I would find it pretty
[108:08] remedial. Like I'm like, "Yeah,
[108:09] obviously we should do that, but you
[108:10] know, it's Mississippi." Okay. So, they
[108:12] want a comedy based on her,
[108:14] >> which like what I don't know how the
[108:16] hell you're supposed to make it. Yeah.
[108:17] So, I decided to make it about people.
[108:19] >> Well, I made it about people that are
[108:21] against
[108:22] >> that.
[108:23] >> It's good and it looks good. The produ
[108:26] It's like you did a great job, dude.
[108:28] >> I reenacted the commercial that weed
[108:29] causes terrorism with Kim Congden. She
[108:31] does that commercial. Yeah. So, they're
[108:32] trying So, this is a group Brian Callen.
[108:35] Beverly Dennis is leading a team who's
[108:37] trying to smear this lady to prevent a
[108:39] minor decriminalization of some flower.
[108:41] >> Dude, you should just show that. You
[108:43] should show that weed causes terrorism.
[108:46] >> Keep going. Keep going in. It's in
[108:47] there. Yeah, it it's halfway through.
[108:49] Ryan logs in it.
[108:50] >> Oh, nice.
[108:51] >> Everybody did a really good job, man.
[108:53] >> Um, keep going. Keep going. Keep going.
[108:54] >> I'll find it. I'll find it.
[108:56] >> Oh, that's a stick out, dude. [ __ ]
[108:59] >> And so you direct back. There it is.
[109:02] >> There it is. I didn't direct it. I wrote
[109:05] it. Wait. Okay.
[109:07] Brian. Yeah. Brian directed all the
[109:09] actors. Yeah.
[109:10] >> Why did you kill me?
[109:12] >> Wait. Wait. Go back a little further.
[109:15] drug.
[109:16] >> That's kind of the guess is
[109:19] >> Leo, COME SHOW ME THE AD.
[109:22] >> I am advocating for a ser and safer drug
[109:26] policy.
[109:27] >> Right on, [ __ ] Legalize that [ __ ]
[109:29] isn't it?
[109:31] >> Why did you kill me?
[109:33] >> Wait,
[109:35] is this about my abortion?
[109:37] >> When you voted to decriminalize THC, it
[109:40] opened the door for Mexican cartels to
[109:41] smuggle even worse drugs into Texas.
[109:44] Plus hundreds of terrorist sleeper cells
[109:46] from Iran and China. They blew up my
[109:48] school bus. Now I'm dead and it's your
[109:51] fault and hers.
[109:53] >> Tell Carolyn Dean we don't want her
[109:56] cartel buddies killing our kids with
[109:58] weed and terrorism.
[110:02] >> Wait, look at their [ __ ] shirts.
[110:04] >> That's so close.
[110:06] >> That's so close. The original I wasn't
[110:09] fall off.
[110:10] >> Oh my god.
[110:12] So they're trying to smear her and then
[110:14] it gets it keeps So they have to go to a
[110:15] worse cutout which is mine with David
[110:17] Jolly and Jamar on it.
[110:21] >> Go do go towards like the uh end part
[110:24] where he goes to meet Mr.
[110:26] >> and David Jolly playing in this
[110:28] >> DeAndre Holmes one of my men that he's a
[110:31] disruptor of events. He's like an
[110:33] astroturf, you know, like the guy that
[110:34] takes his pants off. Yeah. Go back. Go
[110:36] back a little bit. Go back a little bit.
[110:38] Back back.
[110:40] >> It's further. It's further.
[110:43] >> This is such a bad war and I don't know
[110:44] why we have the drug war honestly. Like
[110:46] >> it might be before this.
[110:47] >> Oh, all right.
[110:49] >> Sorry. Before this. Keep going. Keep
[110:51] going
[110:52] >> before them. Those guys are great.
[110:55] >> Oh, keep going. Keep going. Keep going
[110:57] back.
[110:57] >> We can't watch the whole show.
[110:59] >> Yeah. No, don't watch.
[111:00] >> What are we watching?
[111:01] >> This is No, this is the scene where he
[111:02] gets me. Mr. hurt.
[111:05] >> I was hoping
[111:08] >> speak.
[111:11] That's Brian set that shot up.
[111:13] >> I see.
[111:20] >> Okay. Wait.
[111:21] >> You're not necessarily a
[111:23] >> It's good.
[111:25] >> You got to see the whole thing. You
[111:26] don't want people to watch it in clips.
[111:27] >> Oh, yeah. Definitely. You don't want to
[111:28] [ __ ] it up. We did just blow
[111:30] >> So, what is it called and where do we
[111:31] get the experts and um I don't know it's
[111:34] it's on YouTube.
[111:35] >> What is the uh YouTube channel again?
[111:36] >> The one he said executive I know it says
[111:39] the experts is the channel. I know
[111:40] there's I think all of the people in it.
[111:42] >> Okay. So they made a channel for it
[111:43] specifically. Okay, cool.
[111:45] >> Well, it looks fun.
[111:47] >> You like doing that?
[111:48] >> It's been a year and a [ __ ] Well,
[111:49] yeah. I mean, I like I'm glad how it
[111:51] came to a year and a half.
[111:53] >> Oh god, dude.
[111:54] >> I was just trying to get money from this
[111:56] uh pitch and then they bought it so I
[111:59] had to like work on it. Oh, you didn't
[112:01] want to? Really? You were just trying to
[112:03] get
[112:03] >> I'm very lazy and I just want to make
[112:04] jerk off podcast with Duncan. Really?
[112:07] But um it's funny, dude. Everybody's
[112:08] good on it. Everybody, all the actors on
[112:10] it look like they've been doing it with
[112:12] each other for a while on a show.
[112:13] They're like that kind of chemistry.
[112:15] >> It's hard to make [ __ ] funny, man. It's
[112:17] like stuff like that. Like that's
[112:19] Especially when you're working on it
[112:20] that long. It's when something really
[112:22] comes together, that's special.
[112:24] >> Do you miss doing Midnight Goss?
[112:26] >> Yes, I do. Yes, I do.
[112:27] >> That was a fun show, dude.
[112:29] >> Thank you. It
[112:29] >> was so good. Thanks, man.
[112:31] >> It was so uniquely you, too. It was like
[112:33] like a real Duncan Trussell creation.
[112:36] >> Well, me and Pendleton, you know, and I
[112:37] and also just h it was the best.
[112:39] Animation's so fun. Like getting to like
[112:41] just make stuff like that and Netflix
[112:43] was so cool with us. But yeah, I miss
[112:45] it. People ask me about it all the time,
[112:47] but
[112:47] >> Well, with animation, you have so much
[112:49] room. Like you don't they like think
[112:53] about what they could do with South
[112:54] Park. People die all the time. It's
[112:56] fine. People shove people up their
[112:58] asses. You could do that. You're like,
[113:00] remember when the the the teacher the
[113:02] the principal of the school had a gay a
[113:04] [ __ ] off with uh
[113:06] >> Yeah.
[113:06] >> Paris Hilton and shoved her up his ass?
[113:09] >> Y
[113:09] >> like there's no other place you could do
[113:11] that.
[113:11] >> I know. And and you know um with
[113:13] animation there's you know there there's
[113:16] something called a grid. And so the
[113:18] animators have to make all the
[113:20] characters adhere to this grid. And it
[113:22] can be it's really kind of like
[113:24] >> you have to stay on model.
[113:25] >> Yeah. On model. But Pendleton, he's such
[113:27] a genius. He told all the animators,
[113:29] "Don't worry about the grid too much."
[113:31] Because he knew that if it wasn't on
[113:33] model, it would look more psychedelic.
[113:34] It would create more of that. So when
[113:36] you watch the show, if it looks like
[113:38] weirdly psychedelic, it's because the
[113:41] animators were not forced to adhere to
[113:43] the grid as much. They just needed to
[113:44] make Clancy look like Clancy. And they
[113:46] were so happy about that that the
[113:49] freedom we were giving them that they
[113:50] would put all these gifts in to the
[113:52] animation that we would let them do what
[113:54] they wanted. And so suddenly like
[113:56] they're putting [ __ ] in we didn't
[113:57] expect. You know, there's all kinds of
[113:59] Easter eggs to the whole thing that we
[114:01] didn't ask for that they just gave us.
[114:03] >> It seems like you could do that show so
[114:05] much easier now with AI.
[114:06] >> You can't do it with AI. Like, you know,
[114:08] people say that to me like, why don't
[114:09] you make it with AI? But no way, man.
[114:11] They This was a tip mouse best
[114:14] animation. Good.
[114:15] >> They're so good. Chris Prussow. It's so
[114:17] good. But they the Netflix
[114:20] >> they let us do it all in house. we did
[114:23] not have to ship animation out. So, we
[114:25] had this just ma just huge group of the
[114:28] most talented artists working together
[114:31] and like you know any problems emerging
[114:34] or anything you're dealing with it in
[114:36] real time. And the reason I think it's
[114:38] so good is not because of any one person
[114:41] but because this group mind forms with
[114:44] human brains that made it what it is. I
[114:47] just one person or two people [ __ ]
[114:49] around with AI. It's not going to do the
[114:51] same thing. If he had a group mind
[114:53] [ __ ] around with AI, then he could
[114:54] produce the
[114:55] >> called a writer room,
[114:56] >> the images
[114:58] easier.
[114:58] >> But you know what you're not going to
[114:59] get, man? You're not going to get like
[115:01] artists with like thick French accents
[115:04] like working on dialing in this exact
[115:07] look that was in Pendleton's mind like
[115:10] working for weeks. You're not going to
[115:12] get that. you're not going to get all
[115:13] these moments of like the like animators
[115:16] going insane when we tried to do a
[115:18] Groundhog Day episode and like that
[115:20] struggle, the human struggle produces
[115:23] sparks and the sparks end up in the
[115:25] process. I'm not saying AI
[115:27] >> I know what you're saying. I know what
[115:28] you're saying.
[115:28] >> I'm not against AI. I think it could be
[115:30] used to expedite certain like technical
[115:34] aspects of the production probably
[115:36] >> ins. inetweens and stuff like that. But
[115:39] as far as the thing that happens when
[115:41] you get a group of people singularly
[115:44] focused on something. And also what
[115:45] Pendleton did which was so genius is he
[115:48] let everybody feel like they could
[115:50] participate. So anyone who had an idea
[115:52] could tell us. Anyone who like came up
[115:54] with something could tell us. No one
[115:55] felt like intimidated or like they were
[115:59] that was Pendleton. He's such a genius.
[116:01] And so that made the show, you know. I
[116:03] don't And you know obvious
[116:04] >> a lot of great shows function that way,
[116:06] right?
[116:06] >> Yes. That's how any good show would
[116:07] function.
[116:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
[116:09] >> As soon as you have like one guy, he's
[116:11] like, "No, no, no. We're doing it my
[116:12] way.
[116:13] >> It's over.
[116:13] >> It's over.
[116:14] >> It's over."
[116:16] >> Yeah. Well, yeah. I got lucky in that
[116:18] pilot cuz everybody like
[116:19] >> So, I made these charact I mean, I was
[116:21] kind of writing it for people, you know?
[116:22] So, but they all brought like their own
[116:25] >> they all like came in with like lines
[116:27] and [ __ ]
[116:28] >> That's a fun thing about a project that
[116:30] works.
[116:30] >> Yes.
[116:31] And when it doesn't, when you get people
[116:33] colliding and clashing like, "Oh god,
[116:36] >> it's a nightmare.
[116:36] >> This is hell." Like, "I don't want to do
[116:37] this anymore."
[116:38] >> And it's like the getting the right
[116:40] minds together is such a [ __ ] roll
[116:42] the dice.
[116:43] >> Yeah. And al you know what? And also
[116:45] people I can remember at one point like
[116:48] feeling stressed out cuz I was having a
[116:49] disagreement with someone creatively and
[116:52] I remember going to Pendleton and being
[116:53] like I don't want to fight over this
[116:55] [ __ ] And he's like Duncan cuz he made
[116:56] Adventure Time. He's like this is what
[116:58] it's like. This is the like there that
[117:00] creative tension or the the the con like
[117:03] the natural conflict that emerges.
[117:05] That's doesn't have to be a bad thing.
[117:07] That's a good thing. Like that could be
[117:09] really really good. You don't want that
[117:10] through the whole thing. When you get a
[117:12] narcissist or an egoomaniac, who feel
[117:14] who doesn't give a [ __ ] about what's
[117:16] funny, who only cares about that their
[117:18] idea is right. That's the problem.
[117:20] That's the problem.
[117:21] >> Those people are real and you run into
[117:24] them. Especially in Hollywood, it was a
[117:26] giant problem. Most professional stuff I
[117:29] ever worked on, they didn't want they
[117:31] didn't have that kind of problem.
[117:32] >> The good stuff.
[117:33] >> Yeah.
[117:34] >> Good stuff.
[117:35] >> But some stuff like you you you work on
[117:37] it and you'll run into that.
[117:39] >> Dude, a good writer room where like you
[117:42] throw out an idea that sucks and
[117:44] everyone's like, "That sucks." And then
[117:46] you're like, "Yeah, it kind of did." Or
[117:47] you throw out an idea that's kind of
[117:48] okay. And then you watch it jump from
[117:51] one person to the next and grow into the
[117:53] funniest thing ever.
[117:55] >> I don't know. Well, I just don't think
[117:56] that could be replicated by technology
[117:58] right now.
[117:59] >> Well, it certainly won't be as fun. And
[118:01] then when you watch it, it won't be as
[118:02] satisfying. Like, there's something
[118:04] about South Park where you know that
[118:06] there's a group of [ __ ] psychos that
[118:08] are making these things.
[118:09] >> Yes.
[118:10] >> It's extra satisfying.
[118:11] >> Isn't that mostly the one guy? I mean,
[118:12] they're all
[118:13] >> Trey Parker. Yeah.
[118:14] >> I mean, he's like, you've seen that 24
[118:16] hours of South Park? That documentary?
[118:18] >> I don't think I saw it.
[118:19] >> You never saw it? It's like talking
[118:21] about how they're like creating an
[118:22] episode. Is it? It's not called 24
[118:24] hours, is it? Six. Six or seven days to
[118:26] air is what it's called.
[118:27] >> Okay, that's what it's called. So, it's
[118:28] it's documenting the way they're
[118:30] producing the show and putting it
[118:31] together. You know, they had a whole
[118:33] Charlie Kirk arc that they were
[118:35] preparing before he got murdered
[118:37] >> and then he got murdered and they had
[118:38] abandon it.
[118:39] >> Oh my god, that sucks.
[118:40] >> Yeah.
[118:41] >> You know, when that started TP cuz I
[118:43] didn't follow it, you know, like that
[118:45] was not a religious thing at all.
[118:47] >> Hey, you were saying on was it Sean's
[118:50] podcast? You were saying that Erica
[118:52] Kirk, there's an Erica Kirk from like
[118:53] 1957.
[118:54] >> No, 75. The go govern Governor Kirk from
[118:57] of Florida. The guy that's signed the
[119:00] contract for Disney to have like a
[119:02] Vatican there. That guy, his wife, they
[119:04] were calling her Madame X when they were
[119:05] dancing at a ball. This uh Eugene Kirk,
[119:08] I think his name was real like wild man.
[119:10] It was like the smuggling coke in
[119:11] through Florida days, you know.
[119:13] >> But you were saying that there's an area
[119:15] looks exactly like her.
[119:17] >> Yeah. Look,
[119:19] control all history. I saw it on
[119:21] Instagram and I didn't bother.
[119:23] >> Yeah, but my I my buddy Andy Hunt from
[119:25] his his
[119:28] >> um That's not even a good one of it
[119:29] though. There's
[119:30] >> 1934.
[119:31] >> So So
[119:32] >> wait a minute. Wait a minute. So that's
[119:33] not 75.
[119:34] >> Go back.
[119:35] >> Wait a minute. What year is this?
[119:37] >> That's her birthday.
[119:38] >> So who is this lady that's reading this
[119:40] out?
[119:41] >> I don't know this J.
[119:42] >> Yeah. No, go on Control History. Don't
[119:44] because these people lift off of off of
[119:46] them.
[119:46] >> Go off of what? Oh, it's her birthday
[119:48] was 1934. Oh, okay.
[119:50] >> But but um so her family was from Brazil
[119:53] by way of Germany based.
[119:57] >> Oh yeah.
[119:57] >> Brazil by way of Germany as Nazis,
[119:59] right?
[120:00] >> Right. And think of the boys from Brazil
[120:01] >> like Argentina.
[120:03] >> Yeah. Remember the boys from Brazil?
[120:05] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[120:05] >> So 1970.
[120:07] >> Oh, the boys from Brazil was about
[120:09] Nazis,
[120:10] >> about cloning Hitler.
[120:11] >> That's right. And if you look at the
[120:14] history, the brief history of it, every
[120:16] like 10, 20 years, we're about to have
[120:18] cloning and then we stop talking about
[120:19] it.
[120:20] >> That doesn't really look like Erica
[120:21] Kirk.
[120:21] >> It does it to me.
[120:23] >> I would I would go on his
[120:24] >> Well, I think it looks like it.
[120:25] >> Duncan does or doesn't.
[120:26] >> Doesn't look like it to me.
[120:27] >> No, it just looks like another white
[120:29] lady.
[120:29] >> Well, her name's Erica Kirk and
[120:31] >> there's there's other Joe Rogan's out
[120:33] there. I had to buy the website.
[120:34] >> That's Look at that one. Jesus [ __ ]
[120:36] Christ.
[120:37] >> Okay. No, just two different white
[120:40] ladies.
[120:41] >> Two blonde ladies. No, I don't know. I
[120:42] think they look very
[120:44] >> I think everybody's looking for [ __ ]
[120:45] patterns everywhere.
[120:46] >> This is like some of them are legit the
[120:48] human condition.
[120:49] >> But hold on a second. The the boys from
[120:51] Brazil thing is crazy. I forgot about
[120:53] that movie. That's right. We all forgot.
[120:54] >> So that movie was about them trying to
[120:56] clone Hitler and it was like a 19
[120:58] >> book that became the movie and 70 is
[121:00] when that I think the movie came out.
[121:02] >> When do you think they first started
[121:03] cloning?
[121:04] >> The second they learned how to do it.
[121:06] >> But when do you think that was? When
[121:07] when do you think it really was?
[121:09] >> No idea. So I I always used to joke
[121:11] around on stage. By the time they tell
[121:12] you they can clone people, the person
[121:14] telling you is probably a clone.
[121:16] >> But that's a that you just summed it up.
[121:18] That's exactly how all the tech is.
[121:21] >> Yeah.
[121:21] >> By the time they're telling you look out
[121:23] for AGI, that's why I'm telling you
[121:25] there's already a digital god out there.
[121:27] That's why like when you're going
[121:29] through your [ __ ] [ __ ] with Chat
[121:31] GPT, you're like, "Oh my god, Chad GPT
[121:33] is listening to me." Listen, there's
[121:35] probably something that's controlling
[121:36] the entire internet already. History
[121:38] cloning goes back more than a century.
[121:40] What?
[121:40] >> Oh, I thought that, but I didn't want to
[121:42] say cuz it sounded crazy.
[121:43] >> Developed from experiments splitting
[121:45] early embryos into research showing that
[121:47] a specialized body cell can supply the
[121:49] genetic instructions for a whole animal.
[121:51] Dolly's birth in 1996 was the landmark
[121:54] demonstration of that ability in an
[121:56] adult mammal. Do you remember my bit
[121:58] about the second coming project?
[121:59] >> No, I have a bit about second coming
[122:02] project was they were going to take
[122:03] genetic material from the shroud of
[122:05] Turin and they were going to clone
[122:06] Jesus. Is that real?
[122:08] >> Yeah, there was it was kind of maybe
[122:10] parody, but it was like a thing that was
[122:12] being reported online that they were
[122:14] trying to do this, but it might have
[122:15] been [ __ ] So, my thing was that
[122:17] like with Dolly the Sheep, they had to
[122:18] do it a bunch of times cuz it didn't
[122:19] work the first few times.
[122:21] >> It was [ __ ] up.
[122:22] >> Yeah. Like, I was like, what if they
[122:23] clone Jesus and he comes back [ __ ] up?
[122:27] Like, do they keep him? You know, like
[122:29] what do they do? Do they abort him? Do
[122:31] they start again? You know the way the
[122:34] whole thing is like instead of wearing a
[122:35] cross, everybody be wearing a hockey
[122:36] helmet.
[122:37] >> They would all be like imitating Jesus.
[122:39] Instead of like turning water into wine,
[122:41] he would turn dog [ __ ] into cookies.
[122:43] >> It was a [ __ ] up [ __ ] It was such a
[122:46] [ __ ] up bit. It was It was basically a
[122:47] Down Syndrome Jesus.
[122:49] >> Wow.
[122:49] >> This lady got so mad at me at the comedy
[122:51] store, she yelled out, "Next subject."
[122:53] She was in the front row. She was a
[122:55] Christian. She was so bad.
[122:56] >> Uh I was like, "Listen, we're just
[122:58] exploring ideas here. Come on.
[123:00] >> I mean, it's feasible. I mean, don't
[123:02] >> Well, that's the thing. If they did do
[123:03] it. So, look at Let's imagine the Shroud
[123:05] of Turin is legit. I don't know if it's
[123:07] legit. Let's imagine.
[123:08] >> It's got some squeezins in it.
[123:10] >> Let's imagine there's some there's some
[123:13] blood on the Shroud of Turin, right,
[123:15] from his wounds, and they can somehow or
[123:17] another extract genetic material, which
[123:19] I don't think they can, but if they
[123:20] could,
[123:21] >> and they could clone Jesus. Imagine if
[123:22] they literally had Jesus's blood in a
[123:24] vial somewhere in the Vatican, the
[123:26] actual blood of Jesus, and that's the
[123:28] second coming. Someone figures out how
[123:29] to clone him.
[123:30] >> Yeah. But what if you do it and the
[123:31] first few don't work well?
[123:33] >> Don't work. You're not going to get rid
[123:34] of them. You're just going to like put
[123:35] them in the basement of the Vatican.
[123:37] Right.
[123:37] >> You got down syndrome Jesus in the
[123:39] bunker somewhere.
[123:40] >> But don't they have Isn't Paul buried in
[123:42] like
[123:43] >> supposed to be Peter?
[123:44] >> Is it Peter? Is there
[123:45] >> Paul never even met Jesus?
[123:47] >> Yeah.
[123:48] >> Yeah.
[123:50] >> Paul stuff is crazy.
[123:51] >> Yeah.
[123:52] >> Cuz he he he pretended.
[123:54] >> Yeah.
[123:55] >> You know what? Every epistles are pretty
[123:56] good, man. I mean there are like whoever
[123:59] wrote those was clearly mystical like
[124:01] they're very mystical. They're very
[124:02] >> What do you mean?
[124:03] >> I mean when I read the epistles like
[124:05] when I read
[124:06] >> I think people have had mystical
[124:07] thoughts and philosophies for a long
[124:10] longst.
[124:13] >> Are you serious?
[124:14] >> What does it mean? I don't know.
[124:15] >> Mystical.
[124:16] >> Yeah. What does that mean?
[124:17] >> I mean you
[124:18] >> let's get the exact definition so we
[124:20] don't even mince words. Okay.
[124:22] >> Let's find out. What does mystical mean?
[124:24] >> I don't even want to pick up the back
[124:25] for Let's ask perplexity.
[124:28] >> What mystical means?
[124:31] >> If you ask me to describe it, it's like
[124:33] if you ask a liberal to describe
[124:34] fascism, they panic.
[124:36] >> Yeah.
[124:38] >> [ __ ] fascist. [ __ ] f. What does
[124:40] that mean? Mystical is an adjective
[124:42] meaning spiritually significant or
[124:44] connected to a reality beyond ordinary
[124:47] senses and understanding, especially a
[124:49] felt direct connection with God, the
[124:52] divine or ultimate reality. It also has
[124:55] a looser meaning. I thought it had to do
[124:57] with mystery was what mystical is. It
[125:00] sort of connected, right? Because it's
[125:01] all
[125:01] >> me wrong. The epistles is in the letters
[125:03] from Paul to the congregation you're
[125:04] talking about. I thought that was just
[125:05] like you guys are doing this churches to
[125:07] the early churches.
[125:08] >> Stop doing this, do more of this. I
[125:09] thought that that's what I remember from
[125:11] when you read when you read that stuff
[125:13] >> 20 times. I read it.
[125:13] >> Oh, look. You listen, I mean,
[125:15] >> not cuz I wanted to.
[125:16] >> Let's say when you read Terrence
[125:17] McKenna, right? I would consider a lot
[125:19] of his writing to be mystical. He had
[125:21] transcendent experiences and he
[125:22] articulated them in a way that if you've
[125:24] ever done DMT, it can almost bring you
[125:26] back to that state.
[125:28] >> When I read the epistles, I I don't know
[125:31] what's going on other than the person
[125:33] writing that has clearly happened,
[125:36] >> a mystical experience.
[125:37] >> Well, he did because he saw Jesus
[125:39] without me know my God consciousness has
[125:40] been shifted.
[125:41] >> Yeah. But did he see that's the thing?
[125:43] If you were going to run a cult and you
[125:45] were going to explain to people why they
[125:46] had to listen to you, what better way
[125:48] than say that you had a transcendent
[125:50] mystical experience where you talked to
[125:51] Jesus.
[125:52] >> Sure. You're just taking the guy's word
[125:54] for it that he met Jesus on the road to
[125:56] Damascus.
[125:56] >> And that's why people everybody wants to
[125:58] be Jesus, but how come nobody says
[125:59] they're Paul? That's my goal.
[126:01] >> Well, Paul, a bunch of Christians burned
[126:04] churches for a long time before he
[126:05] turned. I'll take it from here.
[126:07] >> That's what's incredible about the
[126:08] story. But do you know about Christian
[126:10] existentialism?
[126:11] >> What does that mean? like dusty was into
[126:13] this like in the brothers Kamazov he
[126:14] breaks down the road to Damascus
[126:17] experience and he talks about what
[126:19] happened in that moment so like what you
[126:21] the angle you're taking he takes it like
[126:23] in this hardcore way is like what
[126:24] happened let's say it was Jesus who
[126:26] appeared to him did Jesus touch him and
[126:29] and some kind of magical energy went
[126:32] into Paul and made him or Saul and made
[126:35] him a better person dossi says if that's
[126:38] the case who gives a [ __ ] it's nothing
[126:40] it there was No free will, no autonomy.
[126:43] It's just like ch like putting dye in
[126:45] water. Who cares?
[126:46] >> Wait, wait, wait. LET ME FINISH. HOLD
[126:49] ON, HOLD ON, hold on. The the the at
[126:51] that at that moment, at that moment,
[126:54] Saul had some kind of experience and
[126:57] made the existential decision to stop
[127:00] being a piece of [ __ ] And that's all
[127:02] that matters. Like in Christian
[127:03] existentialism, the the idea is the
[127:06] mystical, the magical, all that stuff is
[127:09] secondary to human free will, to
[127:11] autonomy. That Jesus, God, Krishna,
[127:14] whoever name you want to give it, has no
[127:16] real potency to change you. You have to
[127:20] change yourself. You make the decision
[127:22] to change. And anyone can have the Road
[127:24] to Damascus experience at any moment.
[127:26] You can make up any story you want about
[127:28] it. But that's what's beautiful about
[127:29] being human is that at any moment you
[127:32] can radically dramatically transform
[127:35] into something better.
[127:38] Breaks it down.
[127:39] >> Did you ever read the story? Here's what
[127:40] happened to Paul. He sees Jesus and gets
[127:42] struck blind. He loses his eyesight.
[127:44] >> Then he goes to a Christian who restores
[127:46] his eyesight miraculously when he tells
[127:49] him about what happened. So
[127:50] >> sounds real.
[127:51] >> Yeah. But what I'm saying is in the
[127:52] story that's what happened. How are you
[127:54] leaving that out?
[127:55] >> But if you take it literally, but it's
[127:56] not me. I mean like if you look at it
[127:58] like the blindness represents the state
[128:01] most people exist in which is that
[128:02] they're completely blind to the mystical
[128:04] transcendent reality that you exist in a
[128:08] a world where you are being watched by
[128:11] the divine and loved by the divine but
[128:13] you're blind to that and if you're blind
[128:15] to that then you're going to end up
[128:16] throwing rocks at people and [ __ ]
[128:18] because you're going to be crazy. Isn't
[128:20] that part of the problem with scripture
[128:21] though is these weird interpretations
[128:23] where everybody has different
[128:24] interpretations of what they really
[128:26] meant.
[128:27] >> I think that's what's beautiful about
[128:28] >> some crazy ones flying around today.
[128:30] >> I think I think that's what
[128:32] >> I think I think that's what's beautiful
[128:34] about it.
[128:34] >> [ __ ] the shuckales or whatever the
[128:36] hell they historical thing that
[128:38] >> existed
[128:41] mutants.
[128:43] They take babies and they convert them
[128:45] into UFO pilots. Oh, but Paul on the
[128:48] road to Damascus is [ __ ]
[128:51] >> [ __ ] PYGMIES FLYING UFOS through
[128:53] area.
[128:54] >> I didn't say that. I said your
[128:55] explanation was
[128:58] >> stop bringing this nasticism into this
[128:59] house.
[129:00] >> That's what all those things are. Those
[129:01] Nazis, those uh the different NHIS,
[129:04] they're all fake and gay.
[129:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[129:06] >> I think that's the fairest assessment
[129:08] you're going to get. And
[129:09] >> I'm not a real Deg Grush Tyson, but I'll
[129:11] tell you this.
[129:13] >> Look, I don't know. But I I do think
[129:15] part of what's cool about any of the
[129:16] scriptures, whatever it is, is you've
[129:18] been it's a puzzle box that you work
[129:20] with with your mind. And then that the
[129:23] idea is not to get stuck in 2D space
[129:25] anyway. The idea is that whatever it is
[129:27] you're reading moves you to the point of
[129:29] reaching out to the transcendent to the
[129:32] divine reality to God and then in that
[129:35] reaching out a connection happens and
[129:37] then in that connection there could be a
[129:40] transformation that happens. But if you
[129:41] getting caught up in the words is like I
[129:44] read what did they what were they
[129:46] teaching you when you were in Jehovah's
[129:48] Witnesses like what what do they follow
[129:50] >> just the B it's like a Protestant I
[129:52] guess type of religion but it's it it's
[129:54] all the the Bible's the ultimate
[129:56] authority
[129:56] >> right but it's all distorted right like
[129:58] the Jehovah's Witness
[130:00] >> everybody distorted which way are you
[130:01] speaking of
[130:02] >> well you always speak of it like it was
[130:03] a cult right
[130:04] >> okay a cult means you have to do it
[130:06] that's how I define a cult you actually
[130:07] like he could be a Catholic and say all
[130:09] that [ __ ] don't matter you're not
[130:10] getting kicked out. If you have to do
[130:12] the religion or they kick you out, I
[130:14] consider that a cult. That's what I'm
[130:15] saying. So, I don't like saying cult cuz
[130:18] people like, "Oh, it means like Jim
[130:19] Jones." I don't mean that necessarily,
[130:21] but they're all pathworking things. But
[130:23] what they thought that's probably
[130:24] different than most is you couldn't join
[130:26] the military or vote or you had to be no
[130:28] part of this world, which Christ did.
[130:30] >> That was a Jehovah Witness thing,
[130:32] >> right? And the reason was was to keep us
[130:34] from uh let's say like somebody comes
[130:36] into power and our church was voting for
[130:38] the other candidate or some nonsense,
[130:40] right?
[130:41] >> That creates problems. It looks bad and
[130:43] it turns people off to Christ when
[130:44] you're I mean nobody makes more
[130:47] Satanists than uh the churches, right?
[130:49] Nobody I'm talking about a Satanist
[130:51] factory. That's most of the churches in
[130:53] America,
[130:54] >> right? Satanists.
[130:56] >> Yeah. People that are like, "Fuck this.
[130:57] I hate it now."
[130:58] >> Right.
[130:59] >> Okay. Okay. So, if you have a bad
[131:00] church, you think you create Satanist
[131:02] >> or Right.
[131:03] >> Well, I know you do. That's what
[131:03] Alistair Crowley is. Plymouth Brethren.
[131:06] His mother sucked. She She was the
[131:07] worst.
[131:08] >> We We'll go to that in a moment. So, the
[131:10] explain the Jehovah's Witness
[131:12] philosophy. So, they
[131:13] >> Well, Christ you couldn't be in the
[131:14] military or or go uh
[131:16] >> you couldn't participate in society in
[131:18] voting. You couldn't
[131:19] >> you couldn't do that part of it. It's
[131:21] >> couldn't join the military,
[131:22] >> right?
[131:24] No, you had to do that. Jesus said
[131:26] religious exemptions from the draft
[131:27] during Vietnam. I had Yeah. So you would
[131:30] get a minister deferment and you but you
[131:32] might have they might call you anyway
[131:33] and then you can't run to Canada. You
[131:35] have to go to jail
[131:36] >> cuz the law is the law. You broke it. So
[131:38] you have to go to jail and just you know
[131:40] >> so Jehovah's Witnesses would just go to
[131:42] jail rather than joining the Yow.
[131:45] >> Wow.
[131:45] >> So you do that and I remember
[131:47] >> [ __ ]
[131:48] >> Yeah. So and and it it's an interesting
[131:51] thing because the guy that founded it,
[131:52] we didn't worship him as a prophet or
[131:54] something. Um, but the guy
[131:56] >> who founded it,
[131:57] >> Charles Russell. And he's uh uh
[132:00] >> what what year was this?
[132:01] >> 1860 something, I guess. Um, but it
[132:04] wasn't called that at first. They all
[132:06] come out of the same area in Albany, the
[132:08] the uh uh and then down the river. They
[132:10] call it the psychic corridor. And that's
[132:12] where all the spiritualism, Mormons,
[132:14] >> the psychic corridor.
[132:16] >> Yeah, that's from Albany down to uh
[132:18] >> Oh, that's the dude. Wow, look at that.
[132:20] >> Now, they didn't make this guy.
[132:21] >> He looks cool. Yo, black everybody's
[132:24] wife.
[132:25] >> Did he [ __ ] wives?
[132:26] >> 100%. Look at him.
[132:28] >> Look at him.
[132:28] >> You're saying that's a wife [ __ ] smile.
[132:30] Go back up to that picture. Go back up
[132:33] to that past picture.
[132:35] >> The other one that you showed.
[132:36] >> I I think he was more of a con man
[132:38] considered by uh history than anything
[132:40] like that.
[132:40] >> That one. That one. That's a guy who
[132:42] [ __ ]
[132:42] >> I'm wearing your wife's underwear.
[132:44] >> Yeah, he's wearing the look. That is the
[132:46] look.
[132:46] >> He's got his stinky sweaty feet and your
[132:48] wife's shoes.
[132:49] >> Look, I got to say, uh what's his name
[132:50] over there? looks like he's giving me
[132:51] the same look. I mean, we can project
[132:54] whatever we want on to these people.
[132:57] >> You think Arbell [ __ ]
[132:58] >> Look at that picture. He's like, "What?"
[133:00] No, he's like, "What are you blaming me
[133:01] for? I don't
[133:02] >> Someone's on the phone and they're
[133:03] talking about aliens. He's interested.
[133:05] >> That guy [ __ ] your wife."
[133:07] >> Anyway, he his family arose. He used to
[133:09] have a pyramid. See that pyramid? Used
[133:10] to be his grave. They moved it now.
[133:12] There it is.
[133:12] >> That's his grave.
[133:13] >> Oh, yeah. He's a big pyramid guy. Now,
[133:15] Jehovah's Witnesses don't subscribe to
[133:17] that, but I think he subscribed to it
[133:18] because he was Rosie
[133:19] >> Kruian. So, he was the founder of the
[133:22] Jehovah's Witness and he had a pyramid
[133:24] for a tombstone.
[133:25] >> He was obsessed. Well, they're all
[133:26] obsessed with pyramids back then. But
[133:27] guess what?
[133:28] >> Um, the final initiation when you go to
[133:30] these stupid like Otto and Golden Dolan
[133:32] or any of these wizard schools is to
[133:33] invent a religion.
[133:34] >> Wizard schools.
[133:35] >> Yeah,
[133:36] >> the finer thing is you invent your own
[133:38] religion.
[133:38] >> Alon Hubard was in the Otto and he
[133:40] invented a religion that was very
[133:42] successful.
[133:43] >> Oh,
[133:43] >> Nexium guy. There's a video you can find
[133:46] a guy that was doing the ac cappella
[133:48] thing they were doing where he'd make
[133:49] them all sing ac cappella and the girl
[133:51] from Smallville got obsessed with being
[133:52] in this ac capella show.
[133:54] >> I didn't I I never paid attention.
[133:56] >> I didn't know Hubard was in the Otto.
[133:58] >> He You don't know about him and Jack
[133:59] Bar? I mean it's such like a
[134:01] >> Well, no. Crowley said that he thought
[134:02] Hubard was a Kong man
[134:04] >> after he was mad at them for doing the
[134:06] Babylon.
[134:06] >> All right. I guess Parson's got him into
[134:08] the Otto. I see what you're saying. And
[134:10] then he would say he infiltrated a group
[134:12] of Satanist Elron Hubard and he's
[134:13] talking about Parson's group where he
[134:14] stole the guy's girlfriend in his boat.
[134:16] >> Basically like Scientology is a
[134:18] reworking of the thema, right?
[134:20] >> They're all the same [ __ ] thing.
[134:22] They're they all based on Kala, but
[134:24] they're mind. It's like mind uh palace
[134:27] techniques and pneumonic devices.
[134:28] Anyway,
[134:30] >> yeah.
[134:30] >> So the Otto it stands for Ordo Temply
[134:33] Orientis,
[134:34] >> right? But what does a wizard do at the
[134:36] end of the day? They make a religion. So
[134:38] America's lousy with religions that come
[134:39] out of Albany. The Mormons come out of
[134:42] there. The Seventh Day Adventists come
[134:43] out of there. The Jehov come out of
[134:45] there. The I mean a bunch of them.
[134:47] >> Speaking of banging your wife, pull up a
[134:48] picture.
[134:49] >> Hold on. Hold on. So what do you think?
[134:51] Why do you think they're doing that?
[134:53] >> Why do you think they all come out of
[134:54] that one area? Do you think this is all
[134:55] engineered?
[134:56] >> Uh well engineered by these kind of
[134:59] societies where that that's the the goal
[135:01] if you're in these these kind of groups
[135:03] by the way is control and enslavement of
[135:05] other people. the they're like the Levy
[135:07] church, by the way, that that lies and
[135:09] says like, "Oh, they're atheist."
[135:12] Nah, they're about some They're about uh
[135:14] NLP, which is like pickup artist Andrew
[135:16] Tate [ __ ] Like pimping. That's what
[135:19] pimping is. Like a mind control, right?
[135:21] They're all about that.
[135:21] >> Wait a minute. Neural linguistic
[135:23] programming is pimping.
[135:25] >> What's a pimping is a form of neur.
[135:27] >> It's it's a subset of it, I would say.
[135:29] >> Okay. So, it's mind control. That's
[135:31] right. Makes
[135:31] >> sense. Okay.
[135:32] >> My control. I I know people feel like
[135:34] that's a weird term, but I mean it's
[135:36] what you call propaganda, you call it
[135:38] advertising, you call it marketing.
[135:40] >> The Bernay School of Marketing.
[135:42] >> Well, for clearly people hypnotize
[135:44] people. Yeah. Clearly Manurion
[135:46] candidates was something that really
[135:47] worked.
[135:47] >> That's right. And and why do we need
[135:49] that? We need people that are killers
[135:51] and spies and seductresses that don't
[135:53] know they're doing it
[135:54] >> because if they're captured, they won't
[135:55] say nothing. Right.
[135:57] >> Or at the very least, you can get them
[135:58] to do something that they would never
[136:00] agree to do ordinarily. And if they get
[136:02] captured, who gives a [ __ ] You got them
[136:04] to do the task.
[136:05] >> And we saw a bunch of those fake Dude, I
[136:07] I
[136:07] >> suicide bombers.
[136:08] >> Sure,
[136:09] >> that's a great one.
[136:11] >> It's ultimate example.
[136:12] >> Or how about all the fake uh crash
[136:14] dummies that went at Trump? The one hit
[136:15] the white. Dude, I can't even count all
[136:17] the fake ones. Now, the one at the White
[136:19] House, the guy that ran through naked
[136:22] that they tackled that Dana White was
[136:23] there and everybody got that.
[136:25] >> No, he wasn't naked. That That's the guy
[136:26] with the gun.
[136:27] >> Yeah. Why was he in the picture? Had no
[136:29] shirt on. And then so we put Lindsey
[136:30] Graham on top of him in a meme.
[136:32] >> I think that guy was a school teacher.
[136:34] He's like a crazy liberal school teacher
[136:36] and he brought a gun tried to But hold
[136:38] on a second.
[136:39] >> If you believe a lone nut thing, I can't
[136:40] help you.
[136:40] >> But there are some lone nuts.
[136:43] >> Sure. But I I don't know which ones they
[136:45] are. Um but of course there's got to be
[136:47] and the goal is of course to have remote
[136:49] triggerable nuts. If you think of these
[136:52] social media things like your blue sky
[136:53] or your threads, you think you've got
[136:55] people of a likeminded.
[136:56] >> Don't point to me when you say threads.
[136:58] Why did you point to Duncan?
[136:59] >> Cuz I sent a link to threads and he
[137:01] thinks I don't go
[137:02] >> I told you I won't read it.
[137:03] >> I know. That's why here's why I pointed
[137:04] out you were right to call me out cuz
[137:06] that why that's why I did it.
[137:08] >> So you got your group right there.
[137:10] Remember Cambridge Analytica? They made
[137:11] a big deal about that.
[137:12] >> Okay. In what way?
[137:13] >> Cambridge Analytica when Brexit
[137:15] happened. I think Sebastian come a bunch
[137:17] played the game.
[137:17] >> Hold that Jamie for a second.
[137:19] >> What they were studying is how do we get
[137:20] the message to the people that they're
[137:22] going to respond to it and get them
[137:23] mobilized. Right.
[137:25] >> That's Cambridge Analytica. Do you
[137:26] remember that? I don't remember what
[137:28] Cambridge Analytica was about. I've
[137:29] heard about it a million times.
[137:30] >> It was when Trump won and then Brexit
[137:32] happened.
[137:33] >> It was because online people were
[137:35] mobilized by this thing that was like
[137:37] senior likes, the [ __ ] they use now to
[137:39] sell you TV on your phone. They were
[137:41] using to affect that vote with Brexit. I
[137:43] mean, you remember this, right? If you
[137:44] put just put it up, I guess, and
[137:46] refresher. But so Cambridge Analytica is
[137:49] very famous. Here you go. So CA Facebook
[137:51] Cambridge Analytica data scandal was a
[137:53] major 2018 data privacy crisis involving
[137:56] the British political consulting firm
[137:58] Cambridge Analytical and social media
[138:00] giant Facebook. So what happened? Data
[138:02] harvesting.
[138:03] >> Okay. The app used Facebook's API to
[138:06] collect data not only from the users who
[138:07] took the quiz but also from millions of
[138:09] their Facebook friends without explicit
[138:11] consent.
[138:12] >> The data of up to 87 million Facebook
[138:15] profiles was improperly obtained and
[138:17] handed over to Cambridge Analytica.
[138:19] Cambridge Analytica use uh psychoraphic
[138:23] profiles built from this data to assist
[138:25] political campaigns including Donald
[138:28] Trump's and Ted Cruz's 2016 US
[138:31] presidential campaign
[138:32] >> which is how you know it's from
[138:33] something in Tel Aviv probably
[138:36] >> we've progressed since then you know how
[138:38] far you've heard of geo fencing right
[138:40] >> sure okay what's geof fencing
[138:42] >> you know where uh uh they did they do
[138:44] stuff with your cell phone so a lot of
[138:45] the churches there's a big story that
[138:46] like uh I don't know if it was MSAD or
[138:48] who it was
[138:49] geof fencing the Christian churches to
[138:51] like there you go
[138:52] >> a location-based technology that creates
[138:54] a virtual boundary or fence around a
[138:57] real world geographic area using GPS,
[139:00] Wi-Fi, cellular data or RFID. When a
[139:03] mobile device or tagged asset enters,
[139:05] leaves, or dwells within this defined
[139:08] perimeter, the system automatically
[139:10] triggers a pre-programmed action.
[139:14] >> So they were using that to spy on
[139:15] churches here. This is so exhausting.
[139:16] But weren't they using it like
[139:18] algorithmically to like if you're in
[139:19] that area you're going to start seeing
[139:21] [ __ ] on your phone. They want you to
[139:22] >> That's exactly right. That's exactly
[139:23] right. So that's that's um like
[139:25] everywhere you look you're getting
[139:26] [ __ ] It's it's so exhausting
[139:30] what you're looking at.
[139:31] >> Uh here's what I don't get. It's like
[139:32] it's so it seems not hard but if you
[139:35] have a principle like hey I think you're
[139:36] not allowed to starve kids to death uh
[139:38] because you think it's advantageous in a
[139:40] war.
[139:40] >> That seems reasonable.
[139:42] No, it seems [ __ ] up actually if you
[139:43] ask around and you'd never be appointed
[139:45] anything. And in fact, someone would
[139:46] hire a cutout to oppose you if you ever
[139:48] did try to run for anything because
[139:50] >> talking about
[139:51] >> Cambridge Analytica resulted in a $5
[139:52] billion fine to MetaF Facebook. Uh just
[139:56] this week they got a $25 billion penalty
[139:58] from a New Mexico state court.
[140:00] >> Wow. Wow.
[140:01] >> Wow.
[140:02] >> Oh, that's cuz they were harvesting you.
[140:03] So that's the that's the value.
[140:05] >> This is recently.
[140:05] >> Yeah, this was just this week. I was
[140:07] >> This is why we need the AI. Just this
[140:08] week, a New Mexico state court ordered
[140:10] Meta to pay $25 billion after a jury
[140:14] found the company misled state residents
[140:16] about a Davis about its data privacy
[140:19] practices.
[140:21] >> That's tied to data analytical or
[140:23] Cambridge Analytica.
[140:24] >> Mhm. Uh look up look up uh Gideon. Okay.
[140:28] It's called Gideon. And um it's um so
[140:31] you remember when they said there was a
[140:32] homeland security or a ICE office in Tel
[140:34] Aviv and and I remember on Jimmy show we
[140:36] cover them I'm like oh what are they
[140:37] training them to like break their arms
[140:39] better or something? No
[140:41] >> that's um it's like only legal to have
[140:43] the thing there. So remote neural
[140:44] monitoring that's the thing remember I
[140:46] showed you the ear mind reading
[140:48] headphones last night.
[140:49] >> Creepy.
[140:50] >> You don't need headphones for that. Your
[140:51] phone could your your whole body could
[140:52] be used as a circuit. The phone can I've
[140:54] never had my phone read my mind, but
[140:56] many people will tell you that's
[140:57] happened where they thought of something
[140:58] and that's because they just studied the
[141:00] patterns of your brain makes and they
[141:02] translate it and the AI AI helps.
[141:04] >> So your phone could read your mind for
[141:05] real.
[141:06] >> Well, yeah. And in interpreting neural
[141:09] patterns, you understand? So they've for
[141:12] a lot of people it'll be accurate.
[141:13] Probably not for everybody's my guess,
[141:14] but I don't know all the ins and outs of
[141:15] it. But what I do know is that Gideon
[141:17] thing in the AI centers, that's that's
[141:20] what they're going to be doing. I think
[141:21] I'm going to get a flip phone,
[141:23] >> dude. I think it's the move.
[141:25] >> I think I'm going to get a flip phone
[141:26] and I'm going to use my regular phone
[141:28] just to like
[141:29] >> get online and check my email.
[141:31] >> I think it's the move.
[141:32] >> Put it away and say,
[141:33] >> you got nothing to hide. There's no
[141:34] reason not to have block than that,
[141:35] right?
[141:36] >> You got nothing to hide. Somebody
[141:38] actually said that once. I had a
[141:39] conversation with a guy that I actually
[141:41] kind of respected and he was talking
[141:43] about the NSA and the Edward Snowden
[141:45] [ __ ] and he goes, "If you don't have
[141:46] anything to hide, who gives a shit?" I
[141:48] was like, "What are you saying?
[141:51] >> How do you how can you really
[141:53] >> We better fight against communism." I
[141:55] guess
[141:56] >> Israeli startup aims to revolutionize
[141:58] security with AI powered weapon scanner.
[142:01] >> You got to look up Gideon. That's
[142:02] >> how I got to it.
[142:03] >> Scanner says it's radar based tech
[142:05] developed by a former radar engineer of
[142:07] Iron Dome can screen 25,000 people per
[142:10] hour to detect threats in stadiums,
[142:13] transit hubs, and airports. Scanning.
[142:15] >> Scary.
[142:16] >> How is it screening them? What is it
[142:18] screening them for?
[142:19] >> Circumcision.
[142:20] >> So, look, it knows this guy has a gun on
[142:21] him. It knows that guy has a knife on
[142:23] him. How does it know that?
[142:24] >> What else does it know?
[142:25] >> You been to a sporting event in like the
[142:26] last couple years where you don't have
[142:27] to go through a metal detector anymore?
[142:29] >> No.
[142:29] >> Oh, well, I have.
[142:31] >> Really?
[142:31] >> Yeah. I specifically in Columbus at a
[142:34] Crew Stadium, there's like a group of
[142:35] people watching everyone walk through
[142:37] these scanners and they're they'll stop
[142:39] one person maybe out of like 30 or 40 to
[142:41] just double check something that maybe
[142:43] they got like a red like might be seeing
[142:45] something like this. So, you think as
[142:46] these people are walking, there's some
[142:48] sort of technology that can scan your
[142:50] bag as you're walking.
[142:52] >> They're probably seeing through your
[142:53] clothes.
[142:53] >> Yeah. So, there was a I didn't This was
[142:56] not as good, but it's my work.
[142:59] >> Wouldn't they just keep you from wearing
[143:00] a backpack?
[143:02] >> Um Well, this isn't This is the show to
[143:05] That's for you to keep you safe, but
[143:06] it's not. It's to keep the powers that
[143:08] be safe from you. That's what the real
[143:11] purpose is always.
[143:12] >> Okay, settle down. This video is showing
[143:13] just I've seen this on other things
[143:15] online. How AI is being used to monitor
[143:20] different security feeds, if you will.
[143:22] >> Yo, the cops
[143:23] >> flock cameras, I guess. Regular cops.
[143:25] >> Hang on, Kurt. Let them talk. What?
[143:27] >> It's just like Flock and other companies
[143:28] like Flock. They they can throw the AI
[143:31] systems on top of the security footage
[143:32] to start tracking things and just
[143:34] >> making notes, put them in databases, go
[143:36] back and check things over time. Someone
[143:38] wants to check where you've been
[143:39] throughout the day, they can go find
[143:41] you.
[143:41] >> Yeah. That creeps the [ __ ] out of me.
[143:43] And that was one of the things about the
[143:44] flock cameras was so crazy when you
[143:45] found out how many different people had
[143:47] access to it. Terrible.
[143:48] >> Like how many cops were using it to like
[143:50] they were using it to spy on chicks they
[143:52] were trying to date.
[143:54] >> There was like like spying on their ex
[143:57] stalking ladies.
[143:58] >> [ __ ] stalking people and and then
[144:00] people that they had like disagreements
[144:02] with like find them. They were doing
[144:04] they had access to it where you're like
[144:06] how does like a cop just log in and have
[144:09] access to this stuff? It should be like
[144:11] very difficult to get access for the
[144:13] average person. You should have a
[144:14] [ __ ] need to look at that.
[144:15] >> But now think of the merger of this tech
[144:18] and just basic advertising, right? So
[144:21] I'm flock monitoring everybody and
[144:24] you're like in the area of my store
[144:27] about to go on my competitor's store. I
[144:28] noticed that you go to my competitor's
[144:30] store. What if I could start feeding
[144:32] your algorithm commercials for my store
[144:34] instead of my competitor's store? Right?
[144:36] Then add to that state propaganda, the
[144:39] geo fencing stuff, which is I've
[144:41] identified that you go to this place,
[144:43] the people at this place have this
[144:45] political ideology. What if we can start
[144:47] feeding you a real subtle series of
[144:52] things through meta that will shift your
[144:55] thinking or make you feel like the way
[144:56] you think is [ __ ] insane.
[144:58] >> Have you seen Robert Estein's work that
[145:00] he's done with Google searches? Curated
[145:02] Google searches. Very interesting.
[145:03] >> We have him on Jimmy. Yeah, he's he's
[145:05] been on here a couple times. So, what
[145:07] he's shown is that they use curated uh
[145:10] Google searches to completely shift your
[145:12] perceptive your perception of a
[145:14] political campaign. Wow.
[145:15] >> So, like say if you um if you were
[145:17] against like Terico, you would look up
[145:20] James Telerico and you'd immediately be
[145:22] fed stories about him being able to name
[145:25] his favorite drag queen instantaneously,
[145:28] him having 11-year-old drag queens on
[145:31] stage with him. It would do do something
[145:32] that freak you out. Or the opposite. If
[145:35] you you Google Ken Paxton, immediately
[145:38] show you corruption, immediately show
[145:40] you lawsuits, immediately show you all
[145:42] these negative hit pieces written on
[145:44] them. So when they do that, they can
[145:47] shift like noticeably like a what was
[145:49] the percentage like 30% of people that
[145:51] are in the middle on the fence, they
[145:53] could shift them one way or the other.
[145:54] >> So you mix this with Sorry, Joe. I'm
[145:56] sorry. You mix this with Cambridge
[145:57] Analytica.
[145:58] >> Yeah. I'm so sorry. Oh my god. all these
[146:00] different there's well so many different
[146:03] ways to do this the Cambridge Analytica
[146:05] way the Google search way so
[146:08] searches are curated right if you Google
[146:11] Donald Trump you don't get just any
[146:14] story on Donald Trump you would get the
[146:15] negative ones first and then if you
[146:17] googled Hillary Clinton you'd get
[146:19] secretary of state humanitarian oh you
[146:21] know Clinton Foundation all the good
[146:22] stuff and the whole idea is to shift
[146:25] perceptions and amongst people that are
[146:27] on the fence which is a giant percentage
[146:29] of the population that are not
[146:30] undecided. You can shift them by like
[146:32] 30%. Like a very high level of you can
[146:35] and you can completely change an
[146:36] election one way or the other. That was
[146:37] like neck and neck.
[146:38] >> And that kind of tech should be illegal.
[146:41] Like clearly that should be illegal. And
[146:42] it's propaganda. It's propaganda. But of
[146:45] the most
[146:46] >> was made legal in 2015.
[146:47] >> That's the problem with Obama when they
[146:49] passed the Smith thing,
[146:51] >> modernization act. Yeah.
[146:52] >> Yeah. What they did was they essentially
[146:54] legalized propaganda so that they could
[146:56] protect us. They just wanted to bring
[146:58] baseball to Cuba.
[146:59] >> They wanted to make sure that we could
[147:01] use the same sort of propaganda we use
[147:03] overseas on Americans because we got to
[147:05] protect people.
[147:06] >> Oh my god, Duncan.
[147:07] >> It's so [ __ ] up.
[147:08] >> It's so crazy. Like there's so much
[147:10] manipulation. And then also just think
[147:12] about this conversation like how many
[147:14] times Kurt's brought something like
[147:15] what? What is that? Like there's too
[147:17] many things you're getting [ __ ] with.
[147:19] Whether it's glyphosate or atrizine is
[147:22] making the frogs gay. Whatever the [ __ ]
[147:24] is happening, there's too much to keep
[147:26] track of, right?
[147:27] >> There's too many things.
[147:29] >> Yeah.
[147:29] >> There's too many stories. There's the
[147:30] the what was the child sc Franklin
[147:32] scandal? There's too many of these
[147:34] [ __ ] stories where you're like, "How
[147:36] many can I pay attention to?" Right.
[147:37] >> Well, how much will you tolerate? Uh I'm
[147:39] guessing you'll they could do it to you
[147:41] forever.
[147:42] >> Well, who's they? The thing is like a
[147:45] bunch of different groups of people that
[147:47] are in bunch of involved in a bunch of
[147:49] different types of manipulation and
[147:51] propagation. There's a pyramid that goes
[147:52] up. Of course, since we have this
[147:54] crisper gene editing for quite some
[147:56] time, longer than they've told you, I'll
[147:57] bet there's all kinds of Olympians
[148:00] >> at the top of the heap.
[148:01] >> Oh, where are we going with this?
[148:04] >> Gods among us.
[148:05] >> Well, not among you, but I'm just saying
[148:07] you've got people with no oversight that
[148:09] can do whatever they want. Who was the
[148:10] guy who said we control time and space
[148:12] when Trump got in?
[148:12] >> I'm just amazed that these guys had the
[148:14] courage to come out and say they [ __ ]
[148:15] Lindsey Graham after he was dead.
[148:17] >> Why would you do that? What? Those bumps
[148:19] on this [ __ ] tape.
[148:20] >> I mean, those guys are heroes.
[148:22] >> For [ __ ] a great American hero.
[148:24] >> Yeah. Well, for for coming out bravely
[148:27] after his death and being a good sex
[148:29] worker is and for pleasuring one of the
[148:31] greatest.
[148:31] >> They could have done it while he was
[148:32] alive and that would have been wrong.
[148:34] >> Yeah. Kept their mouth shut forever and
[148:37] we would have never known.
[148:38] >> We would have never known that.
[148:39] >> No one would have guessed ever.
[148:41] >> I would have never guessed.
[148:42] >> Never would have guessed.
[148:42] >> I never would have believed it.
[148:44] >> I'm still I'm still incredulous.
[148:46] >> It's propaganda. I don't believe it. I'm
[148:48] going to be honest.
[148:49] >> Imagine those brave characters. They got
[148:51] together, all of them, and said, "You
[148:53] know what? Let's come out and let's say
[148:55] we [ __ ] them."
[148:56] >> People need to learn that Republicans
[148:58] are gay.
[148:59] >> There's a lot of them.
[149:00] >> You know, nobody would ever guess that
[149:01] Republicans are gay.
[149:02] >> I think there's a lot of like That's one
[149:04] of the big rumors about Washington is
[149:06] there's a lot of closeted gay
[149:08] Republicans.
[149:10] >> Remember when those dudes, how do you
[149:11] know?
[149:12] >> Except Pete Buddhaj for some reason.
[149:13] That guy's faking it.
[149:15] >> Remember faking it? You think he's a
[149:16] fake gay?
[149:17] >> I don't know. Tucker said it on Jimmy
[149:18] show one time.
[149:19] >> He said he's a fake gay.
[149:20] >> He said that's the rumor on K Street.
[149:22] And I
[149:22] >> What? Tucker just says [ __ ] sometimes.
[149:24] >> Hey, I'm not I'm just going to trust the
[149:26] science on this one cuz that's
[149:27] hilarious. Why
[149:28] >> says that nuclear bombs weren't created
[149:30] by people?
[149:31] >> Who created? I don't know. But that's
[149:33] what he said. He said, "I don't believe
[149:34] people made them. I'll I'll never
[149:36] believe that despite what they tell me."
[149:38] >> What?
[149:38] >> Who made them?
[149:39] >> He's talking demons.
[149:40] >> Yeah, he's got attacked by a demon in
[149:42] his sleep.
[149:43] >> I don't doubt that. I've been attacked
[149:45] by demons in my sleep.
[149:46] >> Really?
[149:46] >> Yeah.
[149:46] >> Sure.
[149:47] >> Wow.
[149:48] >> No matter though, he actually got marks
[149:51] on him.
[149:52] >> I know. I don't think I ever got a claw
[149:53] mark, but I'm definitely trying to fall
[149:55] asleep on acid. Get attacked by demons.
[149:58] >> Is very clever. And I think he's almost
[150:00] like doing a very He's doing like a
[150:03] little subtle
[150:05] fiction occasionally like throws things
[150:07] in there for funsies.
[150:09] >> You think he doesn't believe in anything
[150:10] >> a little bit? No, no, no. That's not
[150:11] what I'm saying at all. Cuz if you're
[150:13] Christian, you believe in demons.
[150:14] >> I don't I do not. No, no, no. That's not
[150:15] what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like
[150:17] there's some things that he says I'm
[150:19] like I don't know if you're like like
[150:22] you don't think nuclear bombs are made
[150:23] by people. Like what
[150:25] >> he's saying the intelligence behind it.
[150:26] They channeled something. The way they
[150:28] got our rockets from doing jerking off
[150:29] in the desert and looking each other's
[150:31] eyes for some reason.
[150:33] >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a
[150:34] minute wait a minute.
[150:35] >> How do you not know this?
[150:36] >> They jerked off and looked in each
[150:37] other's eyes. I know Jack I'm being glib
[150:39] but well Jack Parsons was a Satanist,
[150:41] right? like a legitimate that's the
[150:43] father of theomite. That and the Nazis
[150:45] is
[150:46] >> he wasn't a Satanist.
[150:47] >> He wasn't.
[150:47] >> No, he was a Theeloomite. He was a He
[150:49] was a a student of Crowley.
[150:51] >> Sex cult antichrist.
[150:52] >> Satan just means an enemy of man.
[150:54] >> Oh,
[150:55] >> I thought he was like a Satanist.
[150:57] >> No. Well, I mean people lump in That's
[150:59] the problem is people like are kind of
[151:01] illiterate when it comes to all the
[151:02] different like
[151:04] >> sex crazed.
[151:05] >> He wasn't a Satanist.
[151:06] >> Sex Duncan. What is sex crazed?
[151:08] >> That doesn't mean you're a Satanist.
[151:10] >> Just mean you just like to [ __ ] Yeah,
[151:11] >> you think about it a lot.
[151:13] >> My mom was saying Satan is a
[151:15] >> how they sell you cars.
[151:16] >> Yeah,
[151:17] >> like Sydney Sweeneying selling a sports
[151:19] app.
[151:19] >> [ __ ] yeah.
[151:20] >> What are we sexy?
[151:20] >> She's some misad honey trap [ __ ]
[151:22] You know that. You saw that?
[151:23] >> Well, thank you, Msad.
[151:24] >> Like all the actresses and actors,
[151:26] they're all [ __ ] puppets.
[151:27] >> I thought they were all aliens or babies
[151:28] or something.
[151:29] >> Why did you think that? No one said
[151:31] that.
[151:33] >> What are we looking at, Jamie?
[151:34] >> Trying to just find something good in
[151:35] here.
[151:36] >> Scientology is based on this cult
[151:37] Parsons is part of. That's right.
[151:38] >> Oh, really? Ellen Hubard said he
[151:40] infiltrated a group of Satanists. He's
[151:41] talking about this guy.
[151:42] >> God, this is too much. This is like what
[151:44] we're talking about. I think you might
[151:45] be working for the government to
[151:46] overthrow us with information.
[151:48] >> He's overwhelming us with this. You took
[151:50] his your CIA vest off. How come?
[151:52] >> It was very hot. It was too hot.
[151:56] >> Also, I thought Jamie could tell I was
[151:57] wearing a wire and I was like, "Fuck it.
[151:59] I'm not doing it."
[152:01] I look over, I see Jamie looking at me
[152:03] and I got spooked.
[152:04] >> Is that why you don't want to wear the
[152:05] headphones?
[152:06] >> He doesn't interfere. No, they fall off.
[152:08] >> I mean, this is one of the things that
[152:09] I've said about you like from working
[152:11] with Jimmy. It's like you were normal
[152:13] like 3, four years ago and then like
[152:15] something happened to you with like the
[152:17] amount of [ __ ] conspiracies you were
[152:19] confronted with.
[152:20] >> No, no, no, no, no. Just news again,
[152:23] >> right?
[152:24] >> The things might conspiracies I don't
[152:26] want to say like I don't mean like
[152:27] >> I mean the disaster that is current
[152:29] events on a daily basis, the
[152:31] >> true reality behind these current events
[152:33] >> is horrific.
[152:34] >> It's horrific. And so once you see how
[152:36] bad it is and you see the kind of
[152:37] criminal organization that you're having
[152:39] this administered to you by uh you have
[152:42] to be a fool. It's like I don't think
[152:44] John I don't think the mafia actually
[152:46] the Italian mafia is better than these
[152:47] people by a lot. I mean I credit where
[152:49] credit is due. Nowhere near as vile and
[152:52] the level of trafficking of humans and
[152:54] just your money and everything is is
[152:56] they can never stop. The way Roblox can
[152:59] never stop letting pedals on because
[153:00] it'll it'll ruin their [ __ ]
[153:02] >> The way they can't stop using glyphosate
[153:04] in your food supply otherwise they can't
[153:06] get you food.
[153:06] >> Right. That's what you food or you got
[153:08] no food.
[153:09] >> Epste's a minor node in a thing that's
[153:11] way bigger than him obviously.
[153:13] >> And we were with Eric Weinstein at UT.
[153:15] He goes, "If Do you think he was the
[153:17] main guy?" I go, "No." He goes, "If it
[153:19] all ever came out, it would end the
[153:21] world." And I go, "Oh, no."
[153:23] >> Weinstein said that.
[153:24] >> Yeah.
[153:24] >> He loves that kind of talk. He loves him
[153:26] and his brother. They both love cloak
[153:28] and dagger.
[153:28] >> You see their You see his brother's
[153:30] mentors email. Speaking of toolashes, uh
[153:32] Dr. Trivers, you see his [ __ ] weirdo
[153:34] emails to Epstein about
[153:35] >> what?
[153:36] >> Yeah.
[153:37] >> Who's that?
[153:37] >> Robert Trivers, the mentor of uh uh uh
[153:41] the better. Yeah. Brett's Brett's
[153:44] mentor. Yeah.
[153:44] >> What do you mean?
[153:45] >> So Robert Trivers, the email about how
[153:47] you can manipulate a kid to give him
[153:48] tits in a dick.
[153:50] >> By the way, it's Weinstein, not
[153:51] Weinstein. Like Harvey
[153:53] >> saying it wrong.
[153:54] >> Don't say it like Harvey.
[153:55] >> [ __ ] Harvey Weinstein.
[153:58] >> He's a Stein.
[153:59] >> Is it like that guy Robert Reich?
[154:01] >> Remember Robert Steven Seagal? It's not
[154:04] Steven Seagull.
[154:06] >> Get it?
[154:06] >> Got it. Sorry I said it. Rob
[154:08] >> emails revealed Epstein encouraged
[154:11] controversial scientists to study
[154:13] transgender biology.
[154:16] >> What [ __ ] thing did Epstein not do?
[154:19] >> But they're all Dude, the transhumanism
[154:22] the transgender thing is a stepping
[154:23] stone to transhumanism. That's why it
[154:26] doesn't make any sense where they're
[154:27] like, "We want to eliminate categories,
[154:28] but if I'm like, I feel like a woman and
[154:30] you eliminate the category of woman,
[154:32] what are you just making me into
[154:33] nothing?" Like, that's what
[154:35] transhumanism is the goal, not
[154:36] transgender. That's a little stepping
[154:38] stone from the transhumanist movement.
[154:40] >> But what about autogophilia?
[154:43] >> Well, what about it? What's wrong with
[154:44] that?
[154:45] >> Well, that's what a lot of
[154:46] transgenderism is.
[154:48] >> Yeah, sure. But mask is pointing out
[154:50] >> the pushing of it by by oligarchs, which
[154:53] is what that was. There wasn't a thing
[154:54] that was that common, but they push it.
[154:57] That email is about that.
[154:59] >> So, the email is about oligarchs pushing
[155:01] transgender ideology.
[155:03] >> No, that's even grosser. That that email
[155:06] is bigger than that. I think it's like,
[155:07] you know, think of like Kerszswall's
[155:09] idea of nanobots disassembling and
[155:11] reassembling our bodies.
[155:13] >> So, Nicholas located an email which
[155:15] Trivers thanked Epstein for extra money,
[155:18] an appointment as an advisor to your
[155:21] foundation. Ebstein responded, "I want
[155:24] to see you you I guess your piece on
[155:28] transgender in the bow world." Two
[155:31] months later, Trevors respond responded
[155:34] and said he was getting to the end of
[155:37] transexuality. paragraphs. The one
[155:39] >> says, "Uh, Trevor continued to make
[155:41] dehumanizing comments about trans women,
[155:44] including, "If you as a heterosexual
[155:47] male and have a minor desire to suck a
[155:51] dick, then what better organism to do it
[155:54] with than a transsexual?" How is that
[155:56] dehumanizing?
[155:57] >> To call him an organism. Because she
[155:59] will smell like a woman, be softer and
[156:02] more hairless like a woman and may to
[156:06] some degree actually resemble one
[156:08] morphologically
[156:09] leaving the dick for you to enjoy in a
[156:12] feminine setting. How is that
[156:13] dehumanizing?
[156:14] >> What a nerd.
[156:15] >> Because it's a organism. What better
[156:17] organism? That's
[156:18] >> that's how a scientist.
[156:19] >> Also, whoever wrote this is not really
[156:21] getting to the heart of it.
[156:22] >> Also, these are private emails. Like,
[156:23] how's that dehuman? It says it again. It
[156:25] says Trivers and EB's team once again
[156:27] corresponded about trans people in
[156:29] dehumanizing ways. Is this like Trans
[156:32] Times Weekly that this is in?
[156:33] >> Yeah, this is really from them us.
[156:36] >> Okay. What is that?
[156:37] >> Why are you putting my phone?
[156:41] Why are you sending us here?
[156:43] >> Well, but this all this dehumanizing
[156:45] chitter chatter like calling someone an
[156:47] organism is not dehumanizing.
[156:49] >> It's just [ __ ] [ __ ] talk.
[156:52] >> I'm not gay. They're gay. I just want
[156:53] them to be softer and have a dick to
[156:55] suck.
[156:55] >> That's normal.
[156:57] >> Scientific.
[156:58] >> That's how kids talk in college.
[156:59] >> Scientific. Why don't you do
[157:01] >> my friend Jeffrey Epstein?
[157:03] >> If you want to get in with the right
[157:04] people in college, you have to talk like
[157:06] that.
[157:06] >> Yeah.
[157:06] >> Yeah. You got to suck that woman dick.
[157:08] >> What's wrong with that?
[157:10] >> What's wrong with the little Bridget
[157:11] Mcronone?
[157:13] >> That one. Like where's that lawsuit?
[157:15] Like they keep saying they're going to
[157:16] sue Candace.
[157:17] >> Yeah.
[157:17] >> I think she know that one.
[157:20] >> Take you know she has a day. D like go
[157:22] do it live chromosome.
[157:24] >> Who cares if she has a dick? That's what
[157:26] difference does it make?
[157:27] >> Well, because it's a different thing
[157:28] between a 40-year-old woman [ __ ] a
[157:30] 14-year-old boy and a 40-year-old man
[157:33] [ __ ] a 14-y old boy.
[157:34] >> Especially if it's his dad secretly.
[157:36] >> What?
[157:37] >> It might be his dad.
[157:38] >> It might be his dad. Mcronone's dad.
[157:41] >> Wait, what?
[157:41] >> What?
[157:42] >> Well, I don't know that it is for sure,
[157:43] but
[157:43] >> who said this one? Is this a Candace one
[157:45] or is this somebody else's thoughts?
[157:47] >> Well, no. Candace was taking stuff from
[157:49] French reporter and she says that when
[157:50] she was reporting
[157:51] >> that it might be his own father.
[157:53] >> Yeah, dude. I don't want to get you in
[157:55] trouble by bringing up the the good
[157:57] billionaires, the Rothschilds who have
[157:59] not done anything wrong and only I only
[158:00] hate Peter Teal.
[158:02] >> I would never talk about the Soros boy
[158:04] or the Rothschilds or anybody else that
[158:06] could be construed and I I make that
[158:08] clear.
[158:08] >> Good.
[158:09] >> Wait, what does this have to do with
[158:10] Mcronone's dick
[158:11] >> because they're related. He's like a
[158:12] Rothschild banking guy.
[158:13] >> Sit down.
[158:15] >> Her sit down.
[158:16] >> No. the way the way she sits down like a
[158:18] dude.
[158:19] >> It looks like David Spade.
[158:20] >> There's there's no way guys don't sit
[158:22] that way.
[158:23] >> Could be. I But I do think the
[158:24] pedophilia part gets left out like it's
[158:27] >> the pedophilia part is very different.
[158:29] So like pedophilia for like a
[158:31] 40-year-old woman and a 14-year-old boy.
[158:33] [ __ ] up. It's a little [ __ ] up, but
[158:35] whatever. Who cares? But the difference
[158:38] between that and a 40-year-old man,
[158:41] >> a 40-year-old man and a 14-y old boy
[158:43] freaks people out rightly so. Right.
[158:45] >> Like when you hear about a school
[158:46] teacher that [ __ ] some quarterback,
[158:48] like who cares?
[158:49] >> Remember the Galagus joke?
[158:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. You his buddies high-fived
[158:52] him to death.
[158:55] >> Great joke.
[158:56] >> I know somebody that that happened with
[158:59] >> Oh, I bet you do.
[159:00] >> Yeah.
[159:00] >> Is his name Kurt Mezer?
[159:02] >> Maybe. No.
[159:05] >> No.
[159:06] >> But you know what I'm saying? Like if a
[159:07] teacher is uh having sex with her
[159:10] quarterback,
[159:11] >> you know, you know, probably going to
[159:13] break the kid's heart, [ __ ] his head up,
[159:15] but he's going to be fine. But but if
[159:17] you find out that like the football
[159:18] coach is [ __ ] one of the the
[159:20] 15year-old cheerleaders, you want him in
[159:22] a cage. It's a different feeling, right?
[159:25] >> It's a different feeling. 45year-old
[159:27] football coach is banging a 15-year-old
[159:29] cheerleader. Like, string them up.
[159:31] >> All right. Look, I'm not I'm not I'm
[159:32] sorry. It's going to seem like I'm
[159:33] trying to go woke here, but I remember
[159:35] doing some [ __ ] joke on stage about
[159:38] this subject, right? Talking about this
[159:40] the difference and whatever edge
[159:42] lording. It's a long time ago. Stupid
[159:44] joke. It wasn't funny at all. But this
[159:45] dude comes up to me after the show and
[159:47] he's like, "I got when I was a kid, when
[159:49] I was like like 12 or something, I got
[159:52] [ __ ] by an adult woman." And he's
[159:54] like, "And it [ __ ] me up." And I'm
[159:56] still [ __ ] up. Like it it
[159:57] >> I know people that it [ __ ] them up
[159:59] because that's a very
[160:00] >> It [ __ ] you up. It's too much. No, you
[160:02] can't handle it. It wrecks you. And like
[160:04] and though I don't doubt like I Let me
[160:06] tell you when I was 14 that I would that
[160:10] would be like God coming into my life to
[160:11] give me a hot teacher to [ __ ] So I get
[160:14] what you're you know what I mean? Like I
[160:15] was licking I was licking I was licking
[160:20] pages, you know? I was like so horny.
[160:22] But I think
[160:23] >> hot for teacher.
[160:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. But I think it wrecks it
[160:26] wrecks some people. It wrecks people.
[160:28] >> Does that happen to me?
[160:29] messed up from it cuz I was a church kid
[160:31] very innocent and so you know
[160:33] >> I mean there was dudes in my school that
[160:35] had like mustaches and families working
[160:37] but like I wasn't at so
[160:39] >> right
[160:39] >> that I think it's very individual
[160:41] >> it sort of how bad
[160:43] >> not ideal
[160:44] >> there's a law for a reason
[160:46] >> I don't give it now people go oh she's
[160:48] only 19 and that guy is however old I
[160:50] don't give a [ __ ]
[160:51] >> like think about that lady that [ __ ]
[160:53] her her student or the young boy and
[160:56] then it was a young guy and then she
[160:58] went to jail and then when they got him
[160:59] out like they had a family together
[161:01] >> and they became the leaders of France I
[161:03] believe. No, I'm joking. Same same
[161:05] story, different outcome.
[161:07] >> Yeah, it's not always it's it's I mean
[161:09] it's not ideal.
[161:09] >> It's not ideal. I mean I would be
[161:11] pissed. I mean imagine if you heard that
[161:12] happen to your kid, you know, like you
[161:14] know that's it's [ __ ] up. It's like
[161:16] there's just too much power to
[161:18] manipulate some poor teen, you know.
[161:21] >> It's [ __ ] up.
[161:22] >> Big juicy tits.
[161:23] >> Oh god, I would have loved it though.
[161:25] >> Yeah. What's her name again? married
[161:27] Kayla Turner.
[161:28] >> That's right. Mary Kay their kids.
[161:30] >> They made a beautiful family.
[161:32] >> This says they got separated. This is
[161:33] like 10 years ago.
[161:34] >> Yeah. They 21 years ago.
[161:36] >> Well, he eventually grew up and
[161:38] realized, "Oh my god, she was [ __ ]
[161:39] crazy. Why was she banging me when I was
[161:41] 14?"
[161:42] >> Yeah. [ __ ]
[161:44] >> Or maybe she he just got too old for it.
[161:46] >> Boys, I got to pee. Let's wrap this up.
[161:47] >> All right, let's wrap it up.
[161:48] >> Mystery Boys is an awesome podcast. You
[161:50] guys are great together.
[161:52] Legitimately, like it's I'm so glad you
[161:54] guys decided to do it. I knew it was
[161:55] going to be huge from the beginning. I
[161:56] was like, "This is going to click."
[161:58] >> Joe, thanks, man.
[161:59] >> Good luck with your fake dick.
[162:01] >> I know. I feel now that I know there's
[162:04] one.
[162:04] >> We'll swap and we won't tell anybody.
[162:06] I'll give you a real one on the way out.
[162:07] You can leave that one.
[162:08] >> I just want to feel the heft of it.
[162:10] >> Just cuz I love you.
[162:12] >> Oh my god. TAKE THE REAL BACK, YOU give
[162:14] you the real walrus dick and you can
[162:16] leave the fake one and no one will know.
[162:18] >> Well, Jenna doesn't want me to have it,
[162:19] but
[162:19] >> she doesn't want you to have the fake I
[162:21] just like to position her as as being
[162:23] against me having a walrus dick in my
[162:27] >> All right.
[162:28] >> And your show one more time. Tell
[162:30] everybody the
[162:31] >> the experts is on YouTube right now.
[162:32] It's pretty funny, man. I I'm
[162:34] >> miss your boys. Look at that. That's
[162:35] awesome.
[162:36] >> Yeah. We got to make our base hoe shop
[162:38] shirts.
[162:39] >> Yes, we do.
[162:40] >> Based hoe.
[162:41] >> You know like basso bass pro shop.
[162:42] >> Oh,
[162:43] >> this is beast hoe shop.
[162:45] >> And I have a female girl.
[162:47] >> That's great of a bass. It's that
[162:50] awareness with the fish body from uh the
[162:52] Atlantic, you know, uh but it's a chick.
[162:55] >> When does this come out?
[162:56] >> Tomorrow.
[162:57] >> Oh, can I plug a show?
[162:58] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[162:58] >> I'm gonna be at Mic Drop Comedy in
[163:01] Detroit tomorrow.
[163:03] >> Is that the same as Mike Drop in San
[163:04] Diego? Is the same company?
[163:05] >> I think so. I'm not positive about that
[163:07] though. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
[163:09] So,
[163:09] >> this this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
[163:11] >> Tomorrow. I'm going to be there
[163:12] tomorrow.
[163:12] >> There it is.
[163:13] >> Thanks, man.
[163:14] >> Detroit House of Comedy, it says.
[163:16] >> I like playing.
[163:17] >> That's weird. I thought Detroit is a
[163:18] good town. You don't even know where the
[163:19] [ __ ] you're going.
[163:20] >> It's mic drop comedy. I don't know why
[163:21] you're saying that's what it is. Mic
[163:22] drop comedy.
[163:24] >> Oh, okay. That's what I'm going to be.
[163:25] >> All right. Bye, everybody.
[163:26] >> Bye.
