Joe Rogan Experience #2572 - Colum Tyrrell

乔·罗根体验 #2572 - 科勒姆·泰瑞尔 乔·罗根与科勒姆·泰瑞尔展开了广泛的文化评述，探讨了网络争议、不良嗜好监管，以及泰瑞尔在爱尔兰的工薪阶层成长经历和单口喜剧起步历程。他们审视了媒体整合、制药行业的影响力以及政治乱象，随后深入探讨了户外运动，详述了野外求生、危险动物遭遇，以及由《皮特曼-罗伯逊法案》资助的狩猎保护机制。对话最后反思了在专场演出后重新积累创作素材的过程、帕特里斯·奥尼尔的传奇遗产，以及《奥皮与安东尼秀》早期的广播影响力。 乔·罗根与科勒姆·泰瑞尔批评了企业层面的取消文化和体制性虚伪，指出商业合作伙伴在与坎耶·韦斯特切断联系后遭受了严重的财务损失。 (26:27) 罗根认为，美国直接面向消费者的处方药广告削弱了新闻电视台的独立性，因为这些广告投入实际上成了避免其安全性遭到调查的资金保护伞。 (71:21) 讨论强调了美国野生动物保护对《皮特曼-罗伯逊法案》的高度依赖，该法案每年通过主要由非狩猎枪支购买者支付的消费税产生高达12亿美元的资金。 (160:04) 罗根与泰瑞尔讨论了政治类迷因币以及唐纳德·特朗普的加密货币项目，将此类代币比作洗钱和外国渗透的潜在渠道。 (128:01)

Comedian Colum Tyrrell and host Joe Rogan examine the pressures of stand-up comedy, debate personal discipline versus regulatory overreach regarding digital vices, critique political conflicts of interest, and defend regulated hunting as an ecological necessity. Stand-Up Comedy, Controversy, and Podcasting Roots (13:59) Tyrrell and Rogan contrast the unforgiving nature of the Irish stand-up circuit—where performances often take place above pubs and unamused audiences bluntly heckle with cries of 'Not funny'—with the creative freedom of the American comedy scene. They reflect on how public discourse shifts unpredictably, citing Irish comic Tommy Tiernan, whose international career stalled after a journalist branded an interview response about line-crossing comedy as antisemitic. Tyrrell and Rogan joke that extreme cultural rhetoric has since become normalized in mainstream online dialogue. Turning to comedy influences, both express deep admiration for the late Patrice O’Neal's spontaneous stage presence, arguing he would have dominated the podcasting format had he lived. Rogan identifies 'The Opie and Anthony Show' as the true spiritual ancestor of contemporary podcasts, crediting its loose, unscripted green-room atmosphere with giving comedians the space to riff freely without the rigid broadcast formulas of traditional shock-jock radio. Vices, Smartphone Gambling, and Institutional Control (3:32) Examining the surge in sports betting, Tyrrell contrasts modern gambling apps with the physical bookmakers of his Irish upbringing, where placing a wager required walking to a shop and filling out paper slips. He argues that smartphone apps eliminate friction entirely, deploying push notifications to turn casual interest into predatory losses that are increasingly normalized among college students. Rogan rejects government prohibition or nanny-state micromanagement, arguing that regular workers should have the freedom to bet on games for recreation. Acknowledging that genetic predispositions exist for alcohol and substance addiction, Rogan contends that society must prioritize teaching youth impulse control and self-discipline rather than banning vices. The pair also compare alcohol regulations, analyzing blue-law loopholes in Texas alongside historical Irish 'early houses' that opened at dawn for maritime shift workers. Digital Surveillance, Media Consolidation, and Political Conflicts (65:47) Rogan and Tyrrell discuss pervasive digital surveillance, pointing to reports of smart TVs capturing room audio and early TikTok code that scanned local Wi-Fi networks for keystrokes and data. Rogan argues that corporate media conglomerates holding dozens of cable networks have lost cultural relevance as younger demographics abandon broadcast news, which has drifted from factual reporting into hyper-produced entertainment scored with dramatic soundtracks. The conversation turns to political decorum and financial incentives. Reviewing Donald Trump’s extensive Truth Social attacks against HBO host Bill Maher, Tyrrell questions how a political figure has the bandwidth for late-night media feuds. Rogan criticizes political meme coins as exploitative pump-and-dump operations and reviews a civil lawsuit involving Trump and his crypto platform World Liberty Financial, which alleges violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause through transactions connected to United Arab Emirates officials. Wildlife Ecology, Hunter Funding, and Food Ethics (158:17) Addressing common misconceptions about wilderness management, Rogan emphasizes that wild animals face brutal deaths through predation, tooth wear, or severe weather events, such as a severe winter in Utah that killed roughly 70 percent of the mule deer population. Regulated hunting, he argues, prevents ungulate overpopulation, limits chronic disease transmission, and provides the primary financial engine for North American conservation. Rogan details the 1937 Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Act, which levies an 11% excise tax on sporting firearms, archery gear, and ammunition (and 10% on handguns). This mechanism generates $800 million to $1.2 billion annually for state game wardens and wildlife biologists, with an estimated 73% to 74% of revenue contributed by non-hunting firearm purchasers. Rogan denounces the ethics of industrial livestock operations, asserting that sourcing wild meat avoids warehouse farming abuse while pointing out that large-scale monocrop plant agriculture similarly causes vast numbers of small-animal casualties via harvesting machinery and pesticides. Throughout the discussion, Rogan and Tyrrell repeatedly return to the value of stepping away from digital feeds and urban pressures—whether through unguided backcountry hiking, birding, or creative stand-up—while remaining skeptical of institutional authorities attempting to regulate individual vices, curate information, or manage natural ecosystems without practical field experience.

喜剧演员 Colum Tyrrell 与主持人 Joe Rogan 探讨了从成瘾与博彩机制、爱尔兰文化心理，到荒野生存、猎人保护主义及当代媒体与政治生态的广泛议题。 博彩应用、自律与规制之争 (3:32) Tyrrell 回忆了爱尔兰的传统线下博彩文化，指出博彩原本集中在社区酒吧旁的实体投注站，投注者需要亲自填写纸质单据下注赛马；而现代智能手机博彩应用消除了所有行动阻力，通过推送免费试玩等通知诱导即时消费，使年轻群体将持续输钱视为日常消费。Rogan 则反对设立“保姆式政府”对成年人的嗜好进行全面封禁，主张普通工薪族有权为看比赛下注 500 美元增添刺激。他认为成瘾虽有部分基因易感性因素，但核心解决之道在于从小培养自控力和纪律，而非依靠国家过度微观管理成年人行为。 爱尔兰历史创伤与饮酒文化 (44:33) Tyrrell 和 Rogan 探讨了爱尔兰饮酒文化与民族历史的紧密关联。Tyrrell 提及历史上都柏林健力士啤酒厂（Guinness Brewery）的桶匠在工时内每天获供多达 12 品脱黑啤，学徒自 12 岁起日饮 6 品脱，下班后继续前往酒吧消费。他认为普遍的酗酒习惯背后是世代压抑的历史创伤，爱尔兰人在社交中既擅长幽默文学，又习惯以凄惨悲剧填补对话空白。两人进一步查阅了 19 世纪爱尔兰大饥荒的历史资料，指出饥荒死亡并非单纯由于农作物减产，而是英国政府政策不力以及极端贫困导致民众无力购买市场上仍在出口的粮食；Tyrrell 指出经历大饥荒的人群代际遗传了节俭基因等代谢机制，展示出饥饿创伤在生理与文化上的双重遗存。 媒体监控、政客经济与信息异化 (65:47) Rogan 和 Tyrrell 批评了大型媒体集团对传统广播新闻的垄断与娱乐化改造，指出有线新闻过度依赖戏剧化配乐和恐慌叙事，已失去年轻受众。对话还关注到智能电视和移动应用对用户隐私的过度攫取，例如部分软件条款被指扫描局域网数据。在政治层面，两人分析了政客通过公开网络发言操纵舆论并借此积累个人财富的现象；以特朗普为例，他在社交平台上频繁使用全大写字母发表针对媒体人的长篇控诉，同时其家族通过加密货币平台（如 World Liberty Financial）与外国资金往来引发法律诉讼。Rogan 批评政府公职人员借职务之便参与加密货币拉高出货的行为，认为这破坏了公共利益导向。 自然荒野、生态狩猎与保护区税制 (81:15) 针对现代人远离自然的心理焦虑，Tyrrell 分享了自己在怀俄明州黄石南侧索罗菲尔（Thorofare）等偏远荒野独自行走的经验，说明远离工业噪音进入无信号环境能有效清除精神压力。Rogan 深入剖析了北美狩猎与野生动物保护机制，反驳了狩猎必然破坏环境的观念；野生动物在自然界极易死于捕食者、严冬或饥饿（如犹他州曾有冬季寒潮致死约 70% 骡鹿），而规范的配额捕猎能防止有蹄类种群过剩。在财政机制上，Rogan 强调 1937 年《皮特曼-罗伯逊野生动物恢复法案》（Pittman-Robertson Act）对枪械、弹药及射箭装备征收 10% 至 11% 的消费税，每年为各州野生动物保护提供 8 亿至 12 亿美元专项资金，用于资助生物学家研究与野生动物巡逻。 食物伦理与单一种植农业代价 (165:23) 在探讨肉类消费与饮食伦理时，Rogan 严厉谴责将成千上万头猪塞入无窗密闭厂房的集约化工业养殖，同时指出自捕野味能建立人与食物之间的真实连接。针对 Tyrrell 提及的素食主义道德优越感，Rogan 提出植物性饮食同样具有隐性生命代价：大规模单一种植农业在耕作、收割机作业和喷洒农药的过程中，导致数以百万计的啮齿动物、兔子与鸟类死亡。他认为，除非严格从再生有机农场采购，否则单纯转向素食并不能消除对野生动物的杀戮。 本期对话通过个人成长记忆、户外探险与历史考证，勾连起现代人在消费主义、数字监控与自然脱节环境下的生存处境，呼吁回归自律、正视自然法则的残酷与生态保护的制度化现实。

## Detailed walkthrough ### [00:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1s) 录制播客的心理压力与悉尼·斯威尼（Sydney Sweeney）引发的女性审美争议 节目开场，Joe Rogan 欢迎爱尔兰喜剧演员 Colum Tyrrell 登上节目。Colum 坦言过去几周为了自己即将上线的一小时单口喜剧专场一直处于高度紧张的状态，反而分散了他对这次做客《Joe Rogan Experience》的恐惧。他笑称如果有太多空档，登上这种全球级别的超级播客带来的压迫感会一直笼罩在头上；而且他满脑子都在担心，万一在节目里说漏嘴讲了关于“巨乳（sweet tits）”的荤话，之后肯定免不了要挨老妈一记兴师问罪的越洋电话。 话题随即转到一则街头采访：有人在街头询问路人女性，究竟是 Lindy Clancy 还是 Sydney Sweeney 对女性在社会上的影响更恶劣，受访女性竟几乎一边倒地选择了悉尼·斯威尼。Joe 评价这种心态就像鸡群互相啄死对方一样，指出不少女性只是单纯嫉妒她的火辣。两人就斯威尼的外貌展开了热烈讨论，起初 Colum 认为斯威尼的五官并不属于传统意义上的维密超模（Victoria's Secret model）或顶尖 T 台走秀脸，但在 Joe 坚持让她“像太阳一样火辣”并调出照片后，Colum 笑着改变了主意，承认她确实是个毫无疑问的十分美女。 Joe 深入分析了这种来自同性的敌意，他直言在当下的社会环境里，女性的吸引力依然承载了巨大的现实影响力：当一个女人走进房间时，往往希望自己是全场最吸睛的存在；而一旦像斯威尼这种典型的金发大波性感尤物走进来，所有男人的目光都会被她夺走。关于斯威尼的美貌及其所伴随的社会效应，Joe 精准地断言：“Ladies don't like it. They just don't like when a woman has that kind of power because they know that too much of being a woman at least in America at least in 2026 I'm sorry but too much of it resides on whether or not you are attractive to the opposite sex.” - Colum Tyrrell 表示因为忙于宣传自己的喜剧专场，才没被录制该播客的巨大焦虑所压垮。 - 街头采访让女性在 Lindy Clancy 与 Sydney Sweeney 之间选择谁对女性群体危害更大，大部分女性选择了后者。 - 两人回顾了斯威尼在热播剧《亢奋》（*Euphoria*）中的演技，并指出大众往往因她过于出众的身材而忽视她的表演实力。 --- ### [03:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=204s) 手机赌博的普及与保姆式社会的监管之争 提到斯威尼最近接下了一些体育广告（甚至包括胸前摆放橄榄球的宣传照）并为博彩相关 App 代言，两人的话题顺理成章切入到博彩合法化与广告泛滥的社会争议。Colum 提到自己在爱尔兰长大，当地博彩一直合法，酒吧旁边基本都会挨着一家线下博彩投注站（bookies）。人们过去必须亲自走进去填写投注单（slip）押注赛马，这套体系在传统环境下运转得相对可控；但当博彩全盘转移到智能手机上后，成瘾性便呈指数级上升。手机 App 会在用户押注篮球赛时弹窗推送“免费送一局二十一点（blackjack）”，不知不觉中一个小时过去，账户里的 500 美元就已经打水漂了。 尽管如此，Joe 坚决反对为了保护缺乏自制力的人而全面禁止博彩。他指出，一个心智健全、有正当工作的普通人，如果只想在晚上看纽约尼克斯队（Knicks）比赛时下注 500 美元图个刺激，这种乐趣不该被社会强行剥夺。Joe 分享了自己 23 岁到 25 岁期间混迹于台球厅、天天与重度赌徒打交道的经历，他深知真正的病态赌徒“连雨滴从窗户上滑落都能拿来开赌”，甚至如今像 Polymarket 这样的预测市场也让万物皆可下注。但如果因为少数人失控，就让政府把整个社会管得死死的、变成一个保姆式国家（nanny state），是极不合理的。 对于这种自由与自控的辩证关系，Joe 犀利地反问道：“That's the thing. It's like, shouldn't you be able to have a balanced life and also bet 500 bucks on a game that you care about?” - Colum Tyrrell 认为手机本身的强成瘾性与博彩算法弹窗相结合，导致当代人更容易在线上输得精光。 - Joe Rogan 回忆自己年轻时在台球厅见识过的病态赌瘾，强调不能因为极端成瘾者的存在就对普通人搞“一刀切”的微观管理。 - 两人谈及现代预测市场平台 Polymarket，指出如今几乎任何细微事件都能成为下注标的。 --- ### [05:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=340s) 毒品政策、各州酒类专卖法（Blue Laws）与昔日的黑帮盘口 Joe 进一步将反对“保姆式监管”的逻辑延伸到毒品合法化问题上。他主张所有毒品都应该合法化并由正规渠道销售纯净商品，这样人们就不必再冒着芬太尼（fentanyl）过量中毒的生命危险去碰运气；Colum 顺势打趣说，照这个逻辑是不是以后大家能在 7-Eleven 便利店买到可卡因，引来 Joe 解释说至少应设立在正规酒类专卖店。两人调侃现代年轻人去派对嗑药就跟赌博一样，只能把先吃药的朋友当成下矿井的“金丝雀”，观察一小时后对方还在跳舞才敢跟着碰。 随后制作人 Young Jamie 和 Joe 聊到了美国各州繁琐荒谬的酒精管制法律。加州的普通杂货店就能买到杰克丹尼（Jack Daniel's）威士忌，而新泽西州和很多地方的杂货店却禁售烈酒。Joe 回忆起自己在马萨诸塞州长大的童年，当地严格执行源于宗教传统的“蓝律（Blue Laws）”——周日作为主日（the Lord's day）严禁卖酒，想喝酒就得老老实实去教堂。当年他们一帮毛头小伙子只能凑在一辆车里，由唯一年满 21 岁的朋友开车花一个半小时跨越州界，去新罕布什尔州的“包裹商店（package store，当地俗称 Packie）”买酒，然后在回程的车上就迫不及待地开罐畅饮。 Joe 总结道，在没有互联网和手机的年代，不仅买酒要跨州折腾，想要赌博也必须大费周章地亲自飞去拉斯维加斯，或者在地下偷偷寻找与黑手党（mob）挂钩的非法庄家。Colum 猜测那种需要大费周章才能赌一次的年代或许会让赌徒下注时更深思熟虑一些，但 Joe 则对此表示怀疑。 - 毒品安全与黑市风险：由于街头毒品掺杂芬太尼，现代年轻人常拿同伴当“试药金丝雀”来判断安全性。 - 地区酒精法律差异：加州杂货店可售烈酒，新泽西与马萨诸塞等州曾长期受到限制。 - 历史上的“蓝律（Blue Laws）”：马萨诸塞州曾严禁周日售酒，迫使年轻人跨州去新罕布什尔州购买。 - 线下时代的博彩门槛：在合法手机博彩普及前，大众只能前往拉斯维加斯，或寻找与黑手党关联的地下书盘（bookies）。 ### [08:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=508s) 赌博、自律与冲动控制的教育 对话从赌博成瘾与个人自制力的探讨开始。谈到那些在生活中彻底失控的人时，Joe Rogan 认为有些人无论如何都会走向失控，但社会在教育层面确实缺少一门核心课程：“我觉得我们真正需要的是在人们很小的时候就教育他们如何控制冲动，理解自律的价值，明白你可以控制自己的行为和欲望。”他区分了生理成瘾与日常自控力：确实有一部分人存在酗酒或其他成瘾物质的基因易感性，但抛开这部分特殊群体不谈，对大多数人而言，赌博或饮酒往往只是纯粹的自控力抉择——在于你选择去做积极的事，还是消极的事。 Colum Tyrrell 认为赌博并不必然是负面的，很多人只是把它当作一种增添乐趣的方式，并不至于毁掉生活。Colum 提到自己过去只会在超级碗（Super Bowl）等大型赛事上下注，或者在酒吧玩玩数字方格积分盘（boxes）。然而现在的大环境发生了变化，体育博彩的大肆流行让很多大学生把“日常输掉一部分钱”视为常态。 --- ### [09:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=585s) 荒谬的得州“蓝法”与历史禁令清单 话题随即转向得克萨斯州的“蓝法”（Blue Laws，即周日宗教安息日限制商业交易的法律）。制作人调出了得州现行的限制法规：如今依然保留的主要限制只针对酒类销售和汽车销售——周日烈酒专卖店（package stores）必须关门，而汽车经销商则被禁止在同一个周末的周六和周日连续两天售车，必须选择其中一天关门。 两人对这一奇葩规定大为震惊。制作人进一步解释，在 1985 年废除之前，得州曾有一份包含 42 种极其具体物品的周日禁售清单。禁售类目五花八门，涵盖电子产品、服装、家具、厨房用具、鞋类、乐器、录音制品、玩具，甚至包括特定工具和割草机。Joe Rogan 讽刺道，这简直就是“耶稣法”——“耶稣不想让你在周日卖吉他”，如果孩子在周日想要玩具，或者自家的割草机正好在唯一的休息日坏了，法律也强行剥夺了你花钱解决问题的权利。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 得州周日商业交易蓝法演变 accDescr: 流程图展示了得州在1985年之前禁止周日销售42种日常物品，与1985年废除后仅保留烈酒与汽车销售限制的演变对比。 subgraph Before["1985年废除前的严格禁令"] A["42类日常生活用品在周日严禁销售"] --> B["禁售物品包括：电子产品、鞋服、乐器、玩具、割草机等"] end subgraph Current["现存限制（两项主要遗留）"] C["烈酒专卖店周日强制停业"] D["汽车经销商禁止在同一周末的周六和周日连开两天"] end Before -->|"1985年法案废除"| Current ``` --- ### [11:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=688s) 周日饮酒限制与酒吧的法律擦边球 围绕周日买酒的奇怪法规，两人讨论起得州餐馆和酒吧的现行规定。根据法规，周日上午得州不能在专卖店买烈酒，但杂货店和便利店可以在上午 10 点后售卖啤酒和葡萄酒。对于餐馆而言，周日从上午 10 点起可以提供酒精饮料，前提是必须连同餐饮服务一起销售；如果顾客不点食物，则必须等到中午 12 点之后才能单点饮酒。 这引发了两人对自己经营的喜剧俱乐部吧台（如 Comedy Mothership 的酒吧 Mitzi's）是否违法的调侃。Colum 提到很多体育酒吧为了规避这一法规，可能会设定诸如“必须点一份鸡翅”之类的最低消费漏洞。谈到周日上午必须等到中午才能单点饮酒、人们只能眼巴巴盯着钟表干等的滑稽景象，Joe Rogan 毫不掩饰地批评道：“那是史上最蠢的操蛋法律。” --- ### [12:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=772s) 爱尔兰清晨等酒客与纽约的“早场酒馆” Colum Tyrrell 回忆起在爱尔兰长大的经历。爱尔兰过去也有类似的严格售酒时间限制，周日早上八九点钟，烈酒专卖店门口就会排起长队，“就像在排队买演唱会门票一样”。这些排队的人并不是早起健身后顺道买酒，而是前一天晚上通宵狂欢、熬了整整一夜后直接跑来门口守着开门。 Colum 介绍说，爱尔兰以及纽约部分码头区存在一种被称为“早场酒馆”（Early Houses）的特殊场所： - **由来与牌照**：因为港口的老渔民和轮班工人早上 6 点或 7 点就下班，面对“上午 10 点前禁止供酒”的法律，工人们抗议无法在下班后喝上一杯，因此当局向港口附近的特定酒馆颁发特殊营业执照，允许清晨开门。 - **调酒师的通宵消遣**：Colum 谈到在纽约当调酒师时，大家会通宵在酒吧喝到清晨六七点，然后打车直奔早场酒馆，跟刚下班的工人们挤在一起继续狂饮。 --- ### [14:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=841s) 纽约的不夜城魅力与喜剧初期的打磨 Joe Rogan 与 Colum 都感叹纽约的多样性与活力。Colum 表示自己在 19 岁初访纽约时就彻底爱上了那里的无尽可能，“无论你是谁，在纽约都能找到属于你自己的那群同类”，这也是他最终在 2014 年正式搬来美国的原因。虽然由于疫情影响，不少以前 24 小时营业的传统美式餐厅（diners）缩短了营业时间，但那种凌晨 4 点依然能吃到大餐的城市体验依然令人怀念。 谈到喜剧生涯的起步，Colum 透露自己早在来美前就在爱尔兰讲了两年单口喜剧。爱尔兰的喜剧圈子极小，专门搭建的喜剧俱乐部屈指可数，绝大多数演出场地只是酒吧楼上改造出的小房间。然而，爱尔兰的观众却极其挑剔和硬核：演出效果就像在专为黑人观众设立的喜剧房（black rooms）演出一样极端——如果表现炸裂，你会觉得自己是国王；但如果冷场（bomb），观众会当场大喊“不好笑”，直接摧毁演员的心态，让你在接下来的 15 分钟里饱受折磨。 --- ### [15:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=934s) 早期“被取消”的爱尔兰喜剧泰斗 Tommy Tiernan Joe Rogan 询问爱尔兰是否有走向国际的优秀脱口秀演员，Colum 提到了爱尔兰历史上最负盛名的喜剧演员 Tommy Tiernan。作为当地的现象级人物，Tommy Tiernan 早年原本拥有巨大的国际巡演前景，但在 2006 年前后遭遇了类似于现代“取消文化”（canceled）的风波：他在台上随口开玩笑说希特勒缺乏野心、600 万人还不够多，随后被媒体大幅报道，导致其在北美的巡演计划毁于一旦，经纪人和管理团队全数与其解约。 面对封杀，Tommy Tiernan 索性选择留在家乡都柏林发展，守着爱尔兰庞大的忠实粉丝群和家庭。Colum 形容他如今的舞台风格非常独特而古怪，“就像个老巫师一样”——拿着根拐杖到处走，扔下一首让人摸不着头脑的诗后仿佛又钻回了灌木丛。如今 Tommy Tiernan 在爱尔兰主持着一档收视率极高的电视访谈节目，该节目最大的特色在于：主持人事先完全不知道走出来的嘉宾是谁，全凭临场即兴对话。 ### [16:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1008s) Tommy Tiernan 的即兴脱口秀与当年的舆论风波 Colum Tyrrell 谈到了爱尔兰著名喜剧演员 Tommy Tiernan 主持的访谈节目《The Tommy Tiernan Show》。该节目的形式非常奇特且具挑战性：主持人事先完全不知道登台的嘉宾是谁，只有当嘉宾从后台走出来坐下的那一刻，Tommy Tiernan 才知道来者何人，随后全凭即兴反应去展开交流，试图弄清对方的身份和来意。Colum 笑着表示自己很想被邀请去上这档节目，Joe Rogan 也赞同这听起来确实非常有趣。 随后话题转到 Tommy Tiernan 的演艺轨迹。他早年曾在全球大获成功，在加拿大、澳大利亚都有庞大的票房号召力，也在美国巡回演出并录制了 Comedy Central 的一小时个人专场。然而，后来他选择留在爱尔兰发展。Colum 解释说，这起因于当年一场演出后的现场提问环节，当时有人问他“开玩笑是否会过界”，Tiernan 斩钉截铁地回答“不会”，并顺手举了个例子。结果有记者断章取义，在报道中大肆渲染，给他扣上了“反犹太主义”的帽子，险些毁掉他的国际巡演声誉。Colum 讽刺地调侃道，如果这件事放到今天，他不仅不会被封杀，反而可能成为焦点，因为反犹言论在当下似乎又莫名其妙地成为了一种“流行”。 在这段讨论间隙，节目插播了赞助商 The Farmer's Dog 的广告：该品牌正与联合劳军组织（USO）合作支持军人家庭及其服务犬，为庆祝美国建国 250 周年，他们将为 250 只军人家庭的犬只（包括心理疗愈犬）提供健康鲜粮，并赞助相关活动和物资。 --- ### [18:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1120s) Kanye West 的争议言行与不可动摇的体育场票房 Joe Rogan 和 Colum Tyrrell 顺着舆论话题聊到了 Kanye West。两人感叹，如今无论舆论怎么批评反犹倾向，Kanye 依然能在全球各地迅速售罄大型体育场的演出门票。Rogan 吐槽说，Kanye 甚至曾定制过一个镶满钻石的纳粹万字符（swastika）项链，并打趣道：“顺便问一句，你觉得他是从哪儿弄到那些钻石的？”Colum 顺着接梗称可能是从阿尔巴尼亚人或意大利人手里买的，卖家在加工万字符时还得收一笔加急上门费。 尽管言行极端、甚至曾写过名为《Heil Hitler》的争议歌曲（随后曾道歉），Kanye 的商业号召力却丝毫未损。两人一致认为，这完全归功于他无可置疑的音乐才华。Colum Tyrrell 谈到大众对 Kanye 的追捧时直言：“Well, the music slaps.”（他的音乐确实太牛了。）Joe Rogan 也附和道，这家伙几十年来打造的全是爆款金曲，强硬的作品质量让他无论经历何种公关灾难，下一秒依然能挤爆体育场。 --- ### [19:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1191s) 荒诞自白：歌曲《Cousins》与表弟的黑暗往事 两人的话题转到了 Kanye 在社交媒体上那些令人匪夷所思的公开自白。Colum 提到 Kanye 曾发帖并创作过一首关于自己童年时期与表弟发生性接触的歌曲。制作人 Jamie 随即在后台检索出相关信息，证实了这段离奇的事实：这首歌名为《Cousins》（全大写），最初计划收录于未发行的录音室专辑《Cuck》中，主要词曲创作者为说唱歌手 David Blunts。 根据记录，当 Kanye 在 PlayStation 5 上玩游戏《最后生还者》（The Last of Us）时，原本拒绝了将其写成歌的提议，但后来改变了主意，并不断催促 David Blunts 动笔。Blunts 起初感到抗拒，甚至试图通过发送其他歌曲来拖延时间，但在 Kanye 的坚持下，Blunts 趁着主制作人还在睡觉，从 YouTube 上扒了一段伴奏，仅用了大约 20 分钟就在客厅录出了 Demo。Kanye 甚至直接对他说：“把它写出来，就写我给我表弟口交的事。” ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: Kanye West 歌曲 Cousins 的创作脉络 accDescr: 展现从童年经历、推特自白到促成歌曲制作与最终下架的整个链条 subgraph Background ["童年经历与家庭悲剧"] A["6岁至14岁：翻看母亲衣柜成人杂志并与表弟模仿互口"] --> B["数年后决裂；表弟17岁时因杀害孕妇被判终身监禁"] B --> C["Kanye 陷入创伤与自责，认为是自己带坏了表弟"] end subgraph Confession ["公开披露与宣泄"] C --> D["在 X/Twitter 发布毫无保留的自白推文"] D --> E["玩 PS5 期间执意要求 David Blunts 创作同名歌曲"] end subgraph Production ["歌曲制作与后续"] E --> F["David Blunts 20分钟内用油管伴奏录完 Demo"] F --> G["收录于未发行专辑 Cuck，后因争议从流媒体全面下架"] end ``` Jamie 念出了 Kanye 当年在推特上发布的自白原文：Kanye 坦白自己在 6 岁时翻看了母亲衣柜顶上的成人杂志，并与表弟模仿其中的动作，这种关系一直持续到了 14 岁。后来他决定不再翻看这些杂志并停止这种行为，几年后，这位表弟因枪杀一名孕妇而被判处终身监禁。Kanye 陷入了极度的自我反思与内疚中，甚至自责地认为表弟杀人也有自己的责任，因为是他当年引诱表弟看了那些杂志。 面对这段赤裸的自白，Colum 和 Rogan 感到极为荒谬又深受震撼。普通人遇到此类事情绝不可能公之于众，而 Kanye 却毫无保留地发在了社交媒体上并谱写成歌。Joe Rogan 感慨于这种常人无法理解的精神状态，并评价道：“I don't have the confidence to to ever admit that would happen, let alone write a great song about it and release it, you know.”（我根本没有那种自信去承认发生过这种事，更不用说围绕它写出一首很棒的歌并发布出来了。） --- ### [25:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1524s) 天才的代价：失控的思维与联觉现象 在感叹完 Kanye 的怪诞行为后，两人深入探讨了极致天才与精神疯狂之间的联系。Colum Tyrrell 总结道：“Yeah. But I mean all brilliant people like that like that are that good are going to be insane.”（是的，但我的意思是，所有像他那样极其出色的天才，在某种程度上都会是疯子。）他们一致认为，拥有这种罕见艺术天赋的人，其大脑构造和认知世界的方式往往与普通人迥异。 随后，他们讨论起 Kanye 所拥有的“联觉”（Synesthesia，又称感觉贯通）神经生理特征。Jamie 调出的资料显示，患有听觉-视觉联觉的人在听到音乐或声音时，大脑会不受控制地自动触发视觉反应，在脑海中看到对应的色彩、形状或图案流动，体验类似于服用了致幻蘑菇。 Joe Rogan 曾与 Kanye West 面对面长谈过数个小时，他生动地回忆了当时的交流体验：与 Kanye 谈话时，能明显感觉到他大脑后方的思绪正以惊人的速度狂奔，无数词句就像快要无法被嘴巴容纳一样奔涌而出。Kanye 的大脑完全没有常人的社交“过滤器”，神经信号直进直出，这也是他既能创作出惊世骇俗的杰作、又能毫无顾忌地引发舆论地震的深层根源。 ### [26:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1587s) 抵制文化的失效与针对犹太群体的言论 两人首先探讨了某位备受争议的创作者（暗指坎耶·韦斯特/Kanye West）旺盛的创造力，称其大脑内部就像一场“持续向外喷涌的创意风暴”。科伦·蒂勒尔（Colum Tyrrell）指出，尽管大众与媒体曾掀起声势浩大的抵制浪潮，但他如今依然能轻松让整个体育场座无虚席。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）指出，人们似乎最终放弃了抵制他的企图，但最令人震惊的是阿迪达斯（Adidas）选择与之解约，直接付出了数十亿美元的沉重代价。 谈及解约的导火索，两人调侃起当时的言论与反响。罗根半开玩笑地总结这场风波：“Billions because he was basically saying the Jews control everything, and they didn't like that so they fired him. So they killed his bank accounts. They basically controlled everything. Wait to prove him wrong, I guess.” 双方进而谈及当前社会中反犹言论与中东局势升级的关联，蒂勒尔甚至打趣起自己在纽约街头常被正统派犹太人误认的经历：由于犹太人的外貌跨度极大（比如红发特征），那些留着鬓发卷（Payot）的人常在特定节日发经书时拦住他问是否是犹太人，引得两人拿喜剧演员阿里·沙皮尔（Ari Shaffir）那种“一英里外就能认出”的鲜明犹太长相开涮。 ### [28:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1735s) 整容手术的面部失衡与填充物灾难 话题由长相特征转向整容手术。罗根强调了面部五官比例的重要性，指出如果一个人的骨骼架构本该配一个大鼻子，突然整成迈克尔·杰克逊（Michael Jackson）式的“纽扣小翘鼻”，整张脸的黄金比例就会瞬间崩塌。蒂勒尔也表示自己最怕为了变帅动刀，结果术后落得嘴唇变形或面瘫。 两人进一步讨论了当今年轻女性过早依赖肉毒杆菌（Botox）和面部填充物（Fillers）的普遍现象。罗根解释道，肉毒杆菌本质上是肉毒杆菌毒素，虽然会导致面部僵硬、说话时宛如橡胶面具，但真正的灾难在于填充物： - 填充物在皮下可能游离或无法代谢，导致部分过度整容的女性不得不接受残酷的手术——医生必须切开皮肤，像《终结者》（Terminator）里的场景一样，用工具将皮下的填充物彻底刮出并抽吸干净。 - 两人对比了卡戴珊家族的整容效果：60多岁的老妈克里斯·詹娜（Kris Jenner）在专业“巫术级”医美团队和滤镜的加持下看起来状态惊人，尽管电视镜头下她状态尚可，但也绝非社交媒体照片那般夸张。 - 相比之下，凯特琳·詹纳（Caitlyn Jenner）则显得疏于打理、神态怪异，头发凌乱，步态也依然保留着变性前的男性姿态。 ### [32:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=1920s) 变性手术的现实细节与自体性倒错探讨 罗根与蒂勒尔由凯特琳·詹纳聊到了性别重置手术（Bottom surgery）的适应过程。两人以拔牙后长期的异样感作比，推测彻底失去男性生殖器官后的生活调整必然极其困难。罗根谈到了阴道成形术后的术后维护现实，包括需要定期使用模具（扩张器）防止组织闭合，并严格按规程冲洗。这一细节让蒂勒尔联想到以前播客接过的飞机杯（Fleshlight）赞助，调侃清洗硅胶套的过程就像在水槽下摆弄一只“死乌贼”一样令人反胃。 随后，蒂勒尔开玩笑地幻想如果自己变成女人，一定会做一个彻底的“辣妹”，通过激光全身脱毛、精心打理发型来和女闺蜜们逛街，绝不让自己看起来像个装了假胸的老头。罗根借此引出了“自体性倒错”（Autogynephilia）的心理学概念： - 这种现象指的是部分生理男性通过幻想或打扮成女性的形象而获得性兴奋，但其性取向依然指向女性。 - 罗根批评了当前社会过度追求包容的弊端：“This is the thing about like being open and progressive and just being like, you know, accepting of people there. You're accepting also of sexual deviants.” - 两人指出，部分人并不是真正意义上的跨性别者，而只是借着当今社会所谓的“包容与开放”，堂而皇之地在公共场所满足个人窥阴或变态欲望的旧式性倒错者与露阴癖。 ### [34:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2097s) 自我认同入狱政策与漏洞之争 两人从跨性别群体的法律政策展开讨论。Colum Tyrrell 提到现在的政策就像给了一些人一张“威利·旺卡的金彩票”（Willy Wonka golden ticket），只要自称是女性就能获准进入女子监狱。Joe Rogan 随即确认并在数据上进行了补充，指出在加利福尼亚州，上一次统计时有 47 名生理男性被关押在女子监狱中，新泽西州也是同样完全依赖自我认同政策，且并未对生理改造做强制要求，甚至导致过部分女囚怀孕的情况。Colum Tyrrell 调侃询问监狱里是否会有某种“女性化测试”——比如逼人穿高跟鞋，或是通过“父亲过生日要不要寄贺卡”这种心理细节来测试对方是否够女性化；而 Joe Rogan 笑称只要别人质疑你不是女人时你表现得非常生气，就算通过了。 随后，Joe Rogan 阐述了他对于该议题的核心担忧。他强调自己并非对真正的性别不安症患者缺乏同情，理解那种被困在错误身体里的痛苦，但他尖锐地指出监管缺失的制度漏洞：“You've just given perverts a license to be around women by just saying that they're a woman?”（你只要让他们声称自己是女人，就等于是给了变态合法接近女性的许可证）。他认为，在完全依赖口头自我认同的前提下，系统根本没有任何机制去区分一个真正经历性别不安的人和一个钻法律空子的变态者。 - 加利福尼亚州此前统计有 47 名生理男性囚犯被安置在女子监狱中。 - 自我认同入狱制度下不要求必须接受变性手术，新泽西州亦执行类似政策。 - 两人探讨了制度缺乏辨别“性别不安（Gender Dysphoria）”与“利用漏洞的潜规则掠食者”的能力。 --- ### [36:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2204s) 口音的变淡、被爱尔兰同胞骂“骗子”与巡演计划 在谈到有人可能靠伪装身份行骗时，Colum Tyrrell 开玩笑说自己完全可以在美国假装是爱尔兰人来骗人，但事实恰恰相反——他的爱尔兰口音因为长期待在美国已经变淡了太多。他解释道，自己的妻子和周围朋友全都是美国人，加上常年做播客，说话方式潜移默化地受到了影响。爱尔兰的观众看到视频会直接在网上骂他装腔作势、用“愚蠢的美国腔”，甚至发私信骂他是“骗子”（fraud）。然而讽刺的是，每次他回到爱尔兰老家，受环境熏陶口音又会迅速变得极其浓重，以至于刚回美国的第一周身边人根本听不懂他说话，之后口音才慢慢消散。 Joe Rogan 依然觉得 Colum 听起来非常爱尔兰，但 Colum 表示自己在老家同胞眼里已经“软化”了太多，早期 YouTube 视频里自己的口音像康纳·麦格雷戈（Conor McGregor）一样浓烈。谈到演出市场时，Colum 解释道，因为自己整个喜剧生涯基本上是在美国建立起来的，粉丝群体主要来自《Legion of Skanks》播客圈子以及 Ari Shaffir 的受众，所以在老家爱尔兰的观众群反而没有美国大。 - Colum Tyrrell 通常每年回爱尔兰两次，本年度未回，但下一年已规划了 4 次行程。 - 巡演站点包括都柏林（Dublin）、利默里克（Limerick）和科克（Cork）。 - Colum 提到，如果在老家常驻写关于爱尔兰本土的段子，在当地的知名度可能会大得多，但他目前讲得更多的是关于自己父亲的故事。 --- ### [39:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2353s) 父亲“暴怒艾登”的转变与蓝领工作的残酷消耗 Colum Tyrrell 聊起了自己典型的爱尔兰父亲 Aiden。年轻时父亲脾气异常暴躁，朋友们甚至给他起了个外号叫“暴怒艾登”（Raging Aiden）。Colum 回忆起 17 或 18 岁时的一次冲突：当时他和朋友们准备去参加音乐会，在家里喝餐前酒，父亲刚下班回到家，因为某人开了一句玩笑就当场暴怒大吼，把他们的啤酒直接扔到了大街上，还把朋友叫回来当面痛骂。然而，当父亲从水管工（Plumber）的工作退休后，整个人发生了翻天覆地的转变，变成了一个整天在花园里侍弄花草、给儿子发植物照片的温和老人，家里的侄女们享受着他最温柔的一面。 Joe Rogan 与 Colum 探讨了这种代际脾气转变的成因。Rogan 指出，孩子搬出家门不再需要承担抚养重担是一个节点，但更核心的是残酷的底层工作对人性的摧残：“Well, how many people are ruined by a job they hate that they have to show up every day, just be living in shit and stress all day long and then come home and realize that all that work that you did and you still can barely pay your bills.”（想想有多少人被一份自己讨厌的工作给毁了，每天都得去上班，整天活在痛苦和压力之中，回到家才发现自己拼命干了那么多活，却依然勉强只能付得起账单）。Rogan 还援引了亨利·戴维·梭罗（Henry David Thoreau）的名言“大多数人都生活在平静的绝望中”（Most men live lives of quiet desperation），感叹高压、低薪且毫无意义的劳作让许多普通人在不知不觉中耗尽了一生。 --- ### [41:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2509s) 华夫饼屋（Waffle House）的午夜斗殴与美式慰藉 从辛苦劳作的话题出发，Colum Tyrrell 提到了美国连锁餐厅华夫饼屋（Waffle House）。他感叹那里的员工往往是“世界上最悲伤的人类”，疲惫不堪，没人真正想待在那里。Joe Rogan 则指出，华夫饼屋不仅员工疲倦，而且几乎成了暴力斗殴的代名词，一周能碰上五晚打架，在网络上更是各种斗殴病毒视频的高发地。两人调侃华夫饼屋就像是吸引好斗分子的“蝙蝠侠信号灯”，宛如 WWE 的“皇家大战”（Royal Rumble），相比之下，普通 24 小时餐馆或 Denny's 就极少发生这种大规模暴力冲突。 尽管环境混乱且治安堪忧，两人都一致承认了华夫饼屋在深夜的独特魅力。当你在凌晨两点喝得烂醉时，能钻进一个卡座，点上浇满黄油和糖浆的华夫饼、鸡蛋、培根、炸鸡排，喝着咖啡和朋友畅快聊天扯淡，那种体验依然是无可替代的深夜慰藉。 ### [43:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2581s) 华夫饼屋的大乱斗与都柏林的通宵饮酒文化 谈话从华夫饼屋（Waffle House）深夜的各种斗殴名场面切入。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）提到网上流传的一段经典视频：一名身材娇小、满身纹身的白人女店员，在面对几名大体型女子叫嚣“我要揍死你”时毫不退缩，直接迎上前硬碰硬。罗根感慨华夫饼屋的员工个个身经百战，科伦·泰瑞尔（Colum Tyrrell）打趣道，这些人入职的前提条件大概是蹲过监狱：“进华夫饼屋工作前，必须得有坐牢的履历。”罗根笑着补充，只要身上背着几起恶意伤人案，就能直接升任经理，去培训其他员工如何在凌晨两点防范顾客用叉子扎脖子。他们谈到，华夫饼屋从不打烊，而深夜四点还在外面游荡找吃的人，多半都做过不少糟糕的人生决定。 不过，科伦对此有不同的童年记忆。在爱尔兰长大的他习惯了随时爆发的街头肉搏。在都柏林市中心，夜店通常直到凌晨四点才打烊，所有人都会待到最后一刻，在酒吧关门前提前回家甚至根本不是一种选择。泰瑞尔回忆道：“我这辈子从来没听过有人会说：‘啊，都两点了，我该走了。’大家会说：‘不，还有两个小时能喝呢，我们就留在这儿。’”他调侃这种狂饮文化背后可能是代代相传的创伤，而“喝到断片然后狂吐”就是爱尔兰人独特的心理疗法。 ### [44:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2673s) 维京传统、全天微醺与健力士酿酒厂的十二品脱日常 罗根与泰瑞尔聊起古代人的饮酒习惯。维京人以前大量饮酒据说是为了避免水源中的细菌，在很多古代历史记载中，普通人整天除了啤酒什么都不喝。罗根指出，那种状态并非真正的大醉，而是整天维持在一种轻微的微醺状态；泰瑞尔则打趣说，整天微醺的唯一副作用就是让人时时刻刻都有点性冲动，而且在那个动辄被利剑砍死的年代，多数人活到六十来岁就死了，根本轮不到得肝病。 都柏林的健力士（Guinness）啤酒厂曾是这种狂饮文化的典型代表。泰瑞尔讲述了老制桶工人们（Coopers）的日常： - 酿酒厂的工人们每年制造数百万个啤酒木桶，厂里全天无限量免费供应健力士黑啤。 - 工人们在工作期间一整天能喝下12品脱的黑啤，下班后立刻钻进健力士酒吧，把刚赚到手的工资原封不动地消费掉，正式开启夜晚的痛饮。 - 过去很多男孩12岁就在酒厂打工，从12岁起每天就灌下六品脱黑啤；泰瑞尔提到自己的父亲现在大约70岁，当年12岁时就已经出入酒吧喝酒。 - 如今爱尔兰的法定饮酒年龄是18岁，但民间潜规则依然宽松，如果是女孩15岁、男孩16岁就能混进酒吧。 ### [46:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2778s) 假证入场、保镖偏见与网飞的健力士家族新剧 谈到未成年混迹夜店的经历，泰瑞尔回忆自己16岁时借用大他四岁哥哥的身份证去酒吧，而身边的女孩往往进得更轻松，因为门口的保镖见到漂亮的15岁女孩就会放行。泰瑞尔自嘲说：“然后我满脸青春痘像个傻子一样走过去，他们就说：‘不，你不能进去。’我说：‘可刚才进去的是我女朋友啊！’保镖直接来一句：‘今晚不行。’” 随后，两人聊起了Netflix上一部由《浴血黑帮》（Peaky Blinders）主创团队制作的关于健力士家族的年代剧（《House of Guinness》）。泰瑞尔吐槽剧中的口音非常怪异，剧中演员试图模仿浓重的爱尔兰口音，听起来却十分拙劣。他们当场播放了预告片片段，片中台词提到本杰明·李·健力士爵士（Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness）的四个孩子以及贫民代表的复仇，其中一段爱尔兰矮妖式的滑稽腔调让两人大跌眼镜，罗根直呼：“他完全是在假装那种口音。”泰瑞尔表示，爱尔兰本地人看这种剧只会觉得荒唐滑稽。 ### [48:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=2917s) 诗歌交谈与爱尔兰人骨子里的“苦难癖” 罗根感叹，在全民整日醉醺醺的背景下，爱尔兰居然还能诞生如此辉煌的文明成就。泰瑞尔笑称，爱尔兰人虽然从来没搞明白金融之类的要紧事，但全点亮了文学与娱乐的技能树：诗歌、戏剧、舞蹈、歌唱，以及永无止境的交谈。在爱尔兰，聊天就像坐过山车，前一秒还在开怀大笑，下一秒就能聊到抱头痛哭，因为爱尔兰人似乎极度痴迷于生活中的各种可怕变故与不幸。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 爱尔兰日常交谈的苦难癖循环 accDescr: 展示爱尔兰人日常对话中如何从轻松氛围迅速滑向沉重苦难话题的交流模式。 subgraph ConversationLoop["日常闲聊模式"] A["轻松愉快的日常闲聊"] --> B["填补尴尬冷场"] B --> C["突如其来抛出悲剧话题"] C --> D["死于车祸 / 婴儿夭折 / 家族不幸"] D --> E["引发深度情绪共鸣"] E --> A end ``` 泰瑞尔直到带妻子回爱尔兰才意识到这种文化差异。妻子惊讶于他们家人动不动就聊极其沉重的话题。泰瑞尔举例说，全家人正在开开心心吃晚餐，母亲就会冷不丁冒出一句：“哎，你记得你表姐之前约会的那个叫杰利的男的吗？他昨晚被车撞死了。”或者随口提起谁家流产丢了孩子。泰瑞尔总结道：“我不知道为什么，我觉得可能就是得填补冷场。但我甚至根本不认识那个男的，你跟我说这个干嘛？但他们就是喜欢，他们就喜欢沉溺在那点该死的苦难里。” ### [50:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3018s) 爱尔兰大饥荒与英国殖民政策的历史创伤 当罗根问起这种苦难情结的根源时，泰瑞尔认为这可以追溯到历史上的爱尔兰大饥荒（Great Famine）。面对罗根关于饥荒起因的提问，泰瑞尔斩钉截铁地回答：“英国人干的。”他解释说，英国在19世纪统治爱尔兰期间，把天主教徒赶出了能够种植胡萝卜和卷心菜的肥沃土地，逼他们迁徙到贫瘠土地上，而那片土地唯一能活的作物就是土豆。当马铃薯晚疫病（potato blight）爆发时，单一维生的食物来源彻底断绝。 泰瑞尔特别强调，大饥荒绝不仅仅是自然天灾，更是人为剥削：“我们当时其实还在生产大量的粮食，但那些全都被装船运给英国王室了。所以这实际上是一场强制性的饥荒，或者说是人为制造的饥饿。”随后罗根查阅了历史数据，指出了饥荒的惨烈规模： - 在1845年至1852年间，约有100万人因饥饿和疾病丧生。 - 在1845年至1855年间，约有200万人被迫背井离乡移民海外。 - 史料分析指出，虽然马铃薯疫病是导火索，但赤贫、对单一作物的依赖以及英国政府的残酷政策让灾难雪上加霜。 泰瑞尔直言，很多爱尔兰人会觉得网上的这些历史说辞依然太轻描淡写，低估了英国政府在其中应负的罪责。泰瑞尔表示，自己如今也说不清祖上在那场动荡中究竟经历过什么，那个年代留下的创伤记忆至今仍在爱尔兰文化的血脉中回荡。 ### [51:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3119s) 爱尔兰大饥荒的历史根源与后代基因 Joe Rogan 和 Colum Tyrrell 围绕爱尔兰大饥荒（Great Famine）展开了深入探讨。Rogan 引用 Perplexity 检索出的历史背景指出，饥荒期间最令人痛心的一个事实在于，当大量爱尔兰人活活饿死时，爱尔兰的粮食仍在持续向外出口。尽管当时粮食进口量也急剧上升，但关键矛盾在于：整个经济体系中虽然存在食物，但濒临饿死的穷人根本没有金钱或救济途径去获取这些粮食。Perplexity 的资料明确指出，单凭作物歉收并不能解释死亡规模之惨烈，约翰·罗素勋爵（Lord John Russell）所领导的英国政府的无所作为，更是进一步加剧了这场人道主义灾难。 随后两人将话题转向饥荒对人体的生理和基因影响。Tyrrell 提到民间有一种说法：部分爱尔兰人身上携带一种节俭基因，其身体在新陈代谢中消耗更少的热量，并更倾向于储存脂肪，因为他们的祖先正是依靠这种身体机制才在极度匮乏的年代幸存下来。Rogan 对此表示认同，指出科学界确实发现挨过严重饥荒人群的后代体内存在与长寿相关的表观遗传特征，其后代往往寿命更长、适应力更强。然而 Tyrrell 也提出了一个黑色幽默式的疑问：如果整整几代新生儿在脑部发育阶段都严重缺乏营养，这是否会对爱尔兰人的智力造成长远打击，从而拉低整体平均 IQ？Tyrrell 调侃道：“Is that why we like to drink and dance so much because we're all we starved ourselves a little dumb.” Rogan 则笑着推测，这种狂欢作乐的性格可能早就深深烙印在他们的文化基因里了。 - 英国首相约翰·罗素勋爵（Lord John Russell）政府面对饥荒采取放任与不作为政策，极大推高了死亡人数。 - 历史研究表明，爱尔兰大饥荒的核心不仅是作物减产，更在于粮食流通与购买力断层：食物被运走，穷人无力购买留存或进口的粮食。 - 经历大饥荒的后代身上表现出特殊的代谢机制（更高效储存热量）以及一定的长寿相关遗传优势。 --- ### [54:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3276s) 爱尔兰人对巴勒斯坦的共情与中东乱局 对话从爱尔兰的历史苦难自然延伸到了当前的中东局势。Tyrrell 指出，在英国人到来并将他们驱赶出自己的土地之前，爱尔兰的生活曾经很好；正因为历史上遭受过残酷的殖民压迫，现代爱尔兰人普遍对巴勒斯坦抱有极其强烈的同情与支持。Tyrrell 直言：“I think we just will naturally side towards the people who are getting genocided rather than the other people.” 他认为爱尔兰文化中天生就有一种支持弱势群体（underdog）的冲动，不论发生什么，人们都会本能地站在正在遭受屠杀的一方。 话锋一转，Tyrrell 聊到了美国犹太群体的矛盾心态。他表示自己身边有许多深受他喜爱的犹太朋友，但他们往往在以色列问题上存在巨大的盲区——由于强烈的民族与宗教认同，他们拒绝将以军在加沙的行为称为种族灭绝，并总是为轰炸平民建筑寻找理由，反复强调哈马斯的袭击与 10 月 7 日事件。Tyrrell 随后用极其愤世嫉俗的口吻发泄对这场旷日持久战争的厌倦，讽刺以军如果停不下来就赶紧彻底推平加沙与约旦河西岸，省得人们天天在社交媒体上被迫看到诸如 Macklemore 发表抗议歌曲等相关内容。Rogan 连忙打断他的过激言论，笑着用爱尔兰口音警告他不要惹火上身：“Calm down, lad. Are you trying to be the 2026 Tommy Tiernan and—” 两人在笑骂中缓解了紧绷的政治气氛。 --- ### [56:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3372s) 以色列政局、选情与极右翼军界路线 Rogan 和 Tyrrell 随后关注起以色列的最新政局变动。Rogan 提到以色列近期似乎进行了一场难分高下的选举，本雅明·内塔尼亚胡（Benjamin Netanyahu）面临下台风险，而他的主要竞争对手加迪·埃森科特（Gadi Eisenkot）进入公众视野。两人在节目中实时查阅新闻速报，发现无论是内塔尼亚胡还是埃森科特，都未能在议会中取得绝对多数席位，这预示着接下来将面临数周充满变数的组阁谈判。Tyrrell 提到网上有推文称投票率仅为 16%，并开玩笑说是不是因为大量以色列人都生活在纽约布鲁克林才导致国内投票率如此惨淡，不过他也承认推特上的数字往往不可轻信。 Rogan 通过 Perplexity 查阅了加迪·埃森科特的政治底色。虽然媒体指出他在内政和政治风格上不如极右翼那般张扬，但在军事手段和反对巴勒斯坦建国方面绝非温和派，实质上是一位彻头彻尾的安全鹰派。作为前以色列国防军总参谋长，埃森科特坚定支持针对加沙、黎巴嫩和伊朗的军事行动，并且是著名“达希亚教条”（Dahiya doctrine）的代表人物——该教条主张对敌方使用压倒性武力，甚至包括摧毁民用基础设施，以达到威慑敌方袭击的目的。Perplexity 明确总结道：“His quieter manner should not be mistaken for reluctance to use devastating force.” 这让 Rogan 和 Tyrrell 感叹中东地缘政治的残酷无解。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 以色列政局及加迪·埃森科特战略路线 accDescr: 展示以色列议会僵局以及埃森科特的达希亚教条核心逻辑 subgraph Election["以色列议会选举僵局"] A["内塔尼亚胡 (Likud / 极右盟友)"] --- vs["两强相争 / 未获议会绝对多数"] B["加迪·埃森科特 (安全鹰派挑战者)"] --- vs vs --> C["陷入数周组阁谈判与政治博弈"] end subgraph Doctrine["埃森科特军事战略: 达希亚教条"] D["外表温和 / 内部强硬"] --> E["主张使用压倒性武力"] E --> F["打击民用基础设施以实施强力威慑"] F --> G["覆盖加沙、黎巴嫩及对抗伊朗行动"] end Election -.-> Doctrine ``` - 选举结果预测显示，内塔尼亚胡与挑战者加迪·埃森科特均无法轻松组建多数派政府。 - 埃森科特并非鸽派，而是军方安全鹰派，推行以重度破坏民用基础设施和压倒性武力著称的“达希亚教条”（Dahiya doctrine）。 - 美国大选投票率一般在 50% 左右波动，两党平分秋色。 --- ### [58:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3533s) 战区经历与越战丛林地狱 谈到中东的动荡，Tyrrell 感叹有些在美犹太朋友居然还会回以色列旅游探亲，换作是他绝不敢踏足那种随时可能爆发战火的危险区域。Rogan 顺势询问 Tyrrell 是否曾经去过真实的战区。Tyrrell 承认自己从未去过，虽然完全不想经历，但有时觉得那种极度危险的环境或许能让人彻底“清醒”过来。 为了说明普通人卷入战场的荒诞与创伤，Rogan 分享了他此前采访老牌摇滚歌手里克·斯普林菲尔德（Rick Springfield，以名曲《Jessie's Girl》闻名）的震撼经历。Rogan 讲述道，斯普林菲尔德在 18 岁时随乐队赴越南为美军进行慰问演出，结果乐队直接陷入了交火战区。现场美军士兵不仅没有让他们避险，反而递给这个年轻音乐人发射迫击炮的机会。斯普林菲尔德朝丛林打了一发迫击炮，随后士兵告诉他：“嘿，你干掉了一个越共。” Rogan 强调，这个意外杀人的阴影一直折磨着斯普林菲尔德的一生：“He's like, 'I [ __ ] killed a guy when I was 18.'” 如今 70 多岁的斯普林菲尔德回想起来依然痛苦万分，因为他当初去越南仅仅是为了唱歌，根本没想过要杀人。 Rogan 随后指出，在人类所有战争形态中，越南战争的丛林战堪称最可怕的地狱梦魇。即使没有敌军埋伏，一个人独自穿过充满毒蛇和猛虎的原始热带雨林就已足够令人毛骨悚然；更致命的是，越共在自己生活了一辈子的土地上挖掘了错综复杂的地道网络。美军不得不选派身材矮小的“坑道鼠”（Tunnel Rats）钻进狭窄黑暗的泥洞里与敌人贴身肉搏。Tyrrell 听完后直呼受不了：“[ __ ] that. [ __ ] that. I'm going to overeat so I can't fit in the [ __ ] things or something.” 他调侃自己宁愿把自己吃成大胖子，也绝不钻进那样的狭窄地道去送死。 - 里克·斯普林菲尔德（Rick Springfield）18 岁赴越战劳军演出时被美军拉去发射迫击炮，并被告知击毙了一名越共，留下了终身心理创伤。 - 越战丛林作战不仅面临致命的热带野生动物（老虎、毒蛇），还要应对越共精心构筑的地下隧道网。 - 美军“地道鼠”战术要求士兵在极度压抑幽闭的地底坑道中进行近距离搏杀，是战争史上最具心理摧毁性的战斗任务之一。 ### [01:01:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3666s) 越战创伤、北部湾事件与军事情报背景 两人探讨了越战地道战的极端恐怖环境。Colum Tyrrell 指出那些地道狭窄至极，越南士兵身材矮小才能穿行，而对于常人来说，即便是在野外露营听到树枝断裂的声音，都会害怕是美洲狮；若知道是有敌人嘴里含着刀潜行过来割喉，那种恐惧更是无以复加。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）感叹士兵们经历如此地狱后被送回国内，社会上其他人却在听 The Mamas & the Papas、跳舞、抽大麻，说一句“欢迎回来”，而退伍老兵精神早已崩溃，只能借海洛因麻痹自己。 罗根指出，公众如今早已明白那场战争毫无意义，更知道整个战争的前提都是虚构出来的。关于标志着战争升级的北部湾事件（Gulf of Tonkin incident），罗根向并不熟悉的 Tyrrell 解释：“北部湾事件是一场伪旗行动，发生在战争爆发前。”军方谎称北越在北部湾袭击并炸毁了美军军舰，但事实根本没有发生。罗根还提到一个惊人的历史细节：大门乐队（The Doors）主唱吉姆·莫里森（Jim Morrison）的父亲乔治·史蒂芬·莫里森（George Stephen Morrison）作为海军将领，正是当年卷入该事件的关键军官之一。 - 越战退伍军人回国后面对的是与主流社会格格不入的虚无感与创伤后应激障碍。 - 北部湾事件被证实是美国政府与军方自导自演或捏造的假旗行动，用来作为全面卷入越战的借口。 - 摇滚巨星吉姆·莫里森的父亲当时是指挥北部湾涉事舰队的美国海军将官。 --- ### [01:02:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3762s) 劳雷尔峡谷阴谋论与“政府安插眼线”猜想 罗根提及一本探讨 1960 年代反文化运动的怪书《峡谷中的怪事》（*Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon*），书中详述了当年许多活跃在加利福尼亚劳雷尔峡谷（Laurel Canyon）的摇滚乐手和反文化领袖，其家庭背景都与军事情报部门有极深渊源。阴谋论认为，整场 60 年代嬉皮士反文化运动是政府和 CIA 策划的心理战，旨在让社会自我瓦解。 然而，罗根对这种观点持怀疑态度：“如果 CIA 能制造出吉米·亨德里克斯（Jimi Hendrix），他们为什么不多造几个？”他认为像吉姆·莫里森或亨德里克斯这种顶级才华是无法被情报机构随意量产的。Tyrrell 顺势开玩笑说，也许现代的替代品就是 Lady Gaga。谈到如今社交网络上任何走红的人都会被指控为“政府安插的眼线”（plant），罗根透露很多人甚至在评论区说他自己也是眼线。 罗根对此感到好笑，并坦承至今从未有任何势力试图收买、招募或操纵他：“真正令人着迷的是，除了我之外，没有任何人对这个播客的内容拥有任何影响力。”尽管偶尔会有嘉宾在节目上说假话，但他认为听众完全有能力自行辨别真相。Tyrrell 则打趣说，或许罗根就像“满洲候选人”一样早就被暗中操控了，甚至连 Instagram 推荐算法都在潜移默化地给他洗脑。 --- ### [01:04:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=3898s) 算法内容与智能设备的隐私侵犯 罗根表示利用 Instagram 操纵他根本行不通，因为他极少打开该应用。偶尔刷到的内容也多是古代历史、酒吧斗殴，或是南美洲餐厅和台球厅里的暗杀枪击监控录像。这类血腥暴力视频让人看后心情沉重，也促使罗根尽量在家里远离手机，甚至萌生了放弃智能手机改用功能机（dumb phone）的想法。 随后他们谈到了智能电视等设备的隐私监听问题。现在的智能电视（如三星）会通过联网设备的声音麦克风捕捉环境音，并将数据上传给广告商。罗根重点提到了人们经常不看就点击同意的用户服务协议（Terms of Service），尤其是旧版 TikTok 的隐私条款。罗根引述网络安全专家的分析指出，TikTok 曾被允许访问连接同一 Wi-Fi 网络下其他未安装该软件的电脑与设备，进而能抓取密码、按键记录以及麦克风音频，其代码被称为“看过的最恶劣的软件之一”。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 用户协议与设备隐私抓取流程 accDescr: 展示用户盲目同意服务条款后，应用软件与智能家电如何共享局域网数据并推送广告 subgraph User["用户端盲区"] TOS["点击同意服务条款 (TOS)"] --> NET["接入家庭 Wi-Fi 网络"] end subgraph Devices["局域网设备渗透"] NET --> TV["智能电视 / 关联麦克风"] NET --> TIKTOK["应用后台权限 (如旧版 TikTok)"] TIKTOK --> OTHER["跨设备窃取数据 (按键/密码/音频)"] end subgraph Exploitation["商业与情报变现"] TV --> ADS["广告公司画像推送"] OTHER --> ADS end ``` - 三星等智能电视可通过网络互联设备的麦克风收听环境对话并用于广告推送。 - 旧版 TikTok 曾包含极度侵入性的权限设定，能跨设备嗅探局域网内其他终端的输入与密码。 --- ### [01:07:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4025s) 主流媒体并购与老年受众的恐惧心理 话题转向了媒体行业的资本运作与并购。Tyrrell 与罗根讨论了近期涉及主流媒体平台（如 CNN、CBS、派拉蒙等）的收购重组。罗根提到掌控 Skydance 的资本方对派拉蒙和相关资产的兼并，甚至可能影响到 CNN 等新闻机构的话语权。两人均认为主流媒体正在走向不可逆转的衰退，但其依然紧紧抓住了被称为“老一辈”（boomers）的庞大受众。 谈到为何老年人依然迷信传统电视新闻，罗根分析道，老人们身体衰竭、膝盖疼痛，对死亡逼近的恐惧让他们变得极其脆弱，而电视上的 CNN 或 Fox News 每天都在灌输各种让他们恐惧的说辞，随后再插播大药厂（big pharma）的药品广告。Tyrrell 补充道，老年人群体往往被分成两派：一派是自由派老生代，当面对铁证如山的事实与叙事相悖时会暴怒；另一派是保守派老生代，终日被边境移民等议题吓得惶惶不安。两者的共同点在于都深陷恐惧之中，且自幼被“新闻即真理”的观念洗脑，至今仍对此深信不疑。 - Skydance 收购派拉蒙后，涵盖了 HBO、MTV、Nickelodeon、Paramount+ 等诸多广播网与媒体资源。 - 传统电视新闻的商业模式高度依赖贩卖焦虑与恐慌，以此锁定老年观众并兜售处方药产品。 ### [01:08:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4138s) 媒体巨头的垄断与传统有线电视的衰落 Joe Rogan 和 Colum Tyrrell 浏览着大型传媒集团名下令人咋舌的资产版图。从 Nickelodeon、TBS、Smithsonian、TNT 到华纳兄弟（Warner Bros.）、Adult Swim、卡通频道（Cartoon Network）、乡村音乐台（CMT）、美食频道（Food Network）、高尔夫频道（Golf Channel）、DC 漫画以及探索频道旗下的 Eurosport，几家大集团几乎包揽了市面上所有的主流频道和娱乐内容。Tyrrell 开玩笑说，如果自己坐拥如此庞大的媒体帝国，他一定会利用公器去报复小时候霸凌过他的人，隔三差五就发些随意的假新闻去嘲讽对方。然而 Rogan 直言，虽然这些巨头控制着所谓的新闻自由与媒体资产，但现在是极其诡异的时代——除了像 Paramount+ 这类观众真正用来追剧的流媒体之外，绝大多数人对传统主流电视早已弃之不顾。 两人感慨，如今根本不可能看到一个 20 岁的年轻人会在晚上规规矩矩坐下来认真看 CNN。Tyrrell 嘲讽道：“It’d be crazy to meet a 20-year-old who sits down and puts on a little bit of CNN at night and really is invested in it.” 如今的电视新闻充斥着屏幕上乱飞的突发字幕和毫无意义的华丽图表。Rogan 提到前一天上节目的喜剧演员 Jimmy Carr，Carr 的父亲早就敏锐地发现，自从电视台开始给新闻配上紧张刺激的背景音乐，甚至专门雇佣电影导演来包装画面时，新闻的本质就彻底变成了娱乐剧作。镜头推向戴着眼镜、神情严肃的 Anderson Cooper，背景是一块巨大的屏幕，展示着毫无实质内容的柱状图。观众看完了除了徒增焦虑，根本记不住自己到底看了什么。即便收视率持续暴跌，仍有财阀愿意收购这些资产，足见传统媒体早已脱离了单纯的内容逻辑。 ### [01:11:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4281s) 药企广告赞助与媒体监督的失灵 针对传统主流新闻的本质，Rogan 与 Tyrrell 揭露了广告商背后的真正猫腻。媒体绝对不是为了观众的健康着想而做新闻，新闻本质上是一门生意，观众的注意力就是变现的筹码。最直接的证据便是主流媒体几乎从不批评大型跨国制药公司，因为制药巨头是电视新闻最主要的金主。当 Tyrrell 询问电视上直接做处方药广告是否合乎伦理时，Rogan 强调全球仅有两个国家允许直接面向消费者的处方药广告——美国和新西兰（而新西兰的监管比美国严格得多）。美国电视广告中充斥着针对极其罕见、普通人闻所未闻病症的药物推荐，让人摸不着头脑。 Rogan 援引 Callie Means 等公共健康倡导者的观点指出，药企在电视上砸下巨额广告费的深层原因，根本不是指望普通观众看了广告后跑去向医生开药。药企的核心逻辑是用天价广告费买通电视网，构筑一道坚不可摧的公关防火墙。“They do that so that the networks won’t criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies... it protects them from the eye of Sauron,” Rogan 这样比喻。如果传统媒体真正履行调查职责，就应该彻查由于 FDA 审批疏忽而流入市场、最终导致大量患者死亡并被迫召回的危险药物。 Tyrrell 补充道，普渡制药（Purdue Pharma）的阿片类药物丑闻揭露了一个残酷事实：其不择手段推销奥施康定（OxyContin）的恶劣行径，在整个制药行业绝非个案，其他大药企的营销手段和篡改实验数据的行为如出一辙。普渡制药之所以落网，仅仅是因为奥施康定在社区内引发的恶果太过惨烈，导致人们倾家荡产、铤而走险去抢劫便利店，社会代价彻底失控；而诸如阿普唑仑（Xanax，赞安诺）等其他精神类药物同样引发了极其庞大的成瘾群体，但由于造成的破坏没有演变成满街疯癫的暴力混乱，各大药企便能继续安然捞金。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 药企通过广告预算操控主流媒体的利益链条 accDescr: 展示大型制药公司如何利用广告费压制新闻监督并掩盖药物安全风险 subgraph 商业赞助环节 A["大型制药公司 (Big Pharma)"] -->|"投放天价处方药广告"| B["主流电视新闻网 (CNN 等)"] B -->|"收视依赖商业赞助"| C["媒体收入与利润"] end subgraph 舆论控制与审查 C -->|"利益捆绑导致自我审查"| D["避开药企负面调查 (索伦之眼失效)"] D -->|"沉默与掩盖"| E["隐瞒药品致死与监管缺陷 (FDA漏洞)"] E -->|"公众知情权丧失"| F["公众盲目消费处方药"] end ``` ### [01:14:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4455s) 处方药戒断危机与 Jordan Peterson 的公众重压 话题随后转向处方抗焦虑药物（如 Xanax）的可怕戒断反应。Rogan 指出，阿普唑仑等苯二氮䓬类药物是戒除难度最大的药物之一，著名学者兼临床心理学家 Jordan Peterson 就曾深陷其中，甚至耗费了整整一年时间并远赴俄罗斯接受极端的高风险医学排毒程序（包括诱导昏迷）才勉强脱瘾。 谈及 Peterson 的近况，Rogan 观察到 Peterson 如今的言行举止与早年相比明显发生了改变。虽然他依旧极度渊博、饱读诗书，但身上明显带有一种被摧残、受创伤的痕迹。Rogan 认为这不仅是药瘾与身体健康遗留的后遗症，更是中年猝不及防爆红所带来的巨大精神重压： - Peterson 原本只是多伦多大学一名四十多岁的大学教授和心理咨询师，从未主动追求过全球级别的流量与聚光灯。 - 当他突然在世界各地巡回演讲、面对数以万计座无虚席的观众时，虽然证明了大众对深奥哲学与思想讨论的饥渴，但这种名声完全超出了常人的心理承受范围。 - 媒体和反对者长期以来不断歪曲他的本意，将他妖魔化为邪恶的极右翼、种族主义、排外或恐同分子，逼得他在网络上频频情绪失控。 “It would be exhausting to live your life where every single thing is a take that is like a controversial argument with people,” Rogan 评价道。Peterson 每天的生活都被迫陷入关于医疗执照吊销、跨性别议题等极其沉重而尖锐的文化战争辩论中，无法像普通人一样放松地看一场球赛、吃个冰淇淋。对比之下，Rogan 庆幸作为单口喜剧演员做播客有极大的自由度——他可以今天讨论极其严肃沉重的政治社会话题，明天转头就和嘉宾开心地聊大脚怪（Bigfoot）。注意到 Tyrrell 身上正穿着一件大脚怪 T 恤，Tyrrell 笑着承认自己前阵子去了拉什莫尔山（Mount Rushmore），是个彻头彻尾热衷于打卡各种俗气景点的标准游客。 ### [01:17:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4641s) 美国西北部公路旅行与大脚怪目击地图 Colum Tyrrell 谈到他去年夏天经历了一场人生中最棒的公路旅行。在听说蒙大拿州的美景后，他让经纪人安排路线，一路穿行了蒙大拿州、北达科他州、南达科他州和爱达荷州，他由衷感叹爱达荷州可能是全美最美丽的地方。在南达科他州，他们造访了拉什莫尔山（Mount Rushmore）和黑山国家森林（Black Hills），被那里的景色彻底征服。聊到拉什莫尔山时，Joe Rogan 问当地是否有大脚怪（Bigfoot / Sasquatch）的目击记录，Tyrrell 笑称应该没有，自己只是买了一件带有大脚怪图案的拉什莫尔山纪念 T 恤，因为其他纪念衫上都俗气地印着“我爱拉什莫尔山”。 Rogan 随后回忆起自己 2011 至 2012 年间与好友 Duncan Trussell 合作主持的电视节目《Joe Rogan Questions Everything》。他们当时深入探讨了飞机尾迹阴谋论（Chemtrails）、UFO 以及大脚怪猎人。为了寻找大脚怪目击者，他们特意前往大脚怪目击的中心地带——太平洋西北地区（Pacific Northwest）。Rogan 调侃道，那里不仅是大脚怪的大本营，同时也是冰毒（meth）和海洛因泛滥的地方。随后两人查看了一张全美大脚怪目击地图，惊讶地发现得克萨斯州奥斯汀附近居然也有数起目击记录：包括 1981 年伯格斯特龙空军基地（Bergstrom Air Force Base）一名空军士兵在夜间的目击事件、2013 年 9 月有人在大白天目击直立行走的大型生物，以及 1980 年两名男子在打靶练习时看见的长毛直立身影。Tyrrell 嘲讽道，那些目击者大概是喝了私酿烈酒（moonshine）产生了幻觉，或者看到的根本就是一个穿着毛皮大衣的流浪汉。 - 节目背景：《Joe Rogan Questions Everything》于 2011–2012 年制作，深入调查过阴谋论、超自然现象及未解之谜。 - 目击记录：地图显示奥斯汀地区至少有 4 起记录，包括 1981 年空军基地目击案与 2013 年直立两足生物目击案。 --- ### [01:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=4800s) 森林视觉错觉与黄石公园荒野徒步计划 谈到为什么太平洋西北地区有如此多的大脚怪目击，Rogan 解释称，当地有很多黑熊，而熊经常会用后腿直立行走。此外，该地区降雨充沛，植被茂密得“就像一盒棉签一样密集”，视线极易受阻。在这种环境下，人们往往只能瞥见树丛中晃动的黑影，大脑便会开始自动脑补和胡思乱想。Rogan 分享了自己在加拿大阿尔伯塔省（Alberta）的真实经历：他在密林中瞥见一抹灰色，脑中立刻笃定自己看见了一匹狼，结果定睛一看只是一只松鼠。不过，他在当地也确实在黄昏的公路旁偶遇过真正的狼或大型郊狼，他在当地经营猎熊业务的朋友 John 和 Jen 甚至当天还通过红外追踪相机（trail cam）拍到了狼的照片。 这番关于荒野的讨论引发了 Tyrrell 对徒步旅行的分享。他透露自己正在筹备前往南黄石公园的“索罗菲尔”（The Thorofare）进行长途徒步。那是一片远离人类文明的开阔起伏丘陵，距离最近的公路足足有 40 英里，是全美本土 48 州中最偏僻的荒野之一，栖息着灰熊、狼群、麋鹿和驼鹿。面对 Rogan 的担忧，Tyrrell 表示自己最近迷上了单人重装徒步（solo hiking），那是他目前最热衷的事情： > “I think everybody does. Yeah. Well, I also think that there's something about being in the woods that's very therapeutic just naturally because that's our that's our na that's the natural environment where human beings are supposed to be.” —— Joe Rogan Tyrrell 解释说，背上装满食物和帐篷的大背包独自一人在荒野中行走，没有任何外界干扰，走上 20 分钟后大脑就会完全放空，只剩下规律的脚步声，这能彻底治愈现代生活带来的精神过载。他此前走过阿巴拉契亚小径（Appalachian Trail）等成熟路线，遵守严格的防熊安全规范（如烹饪区与露营区分离、吊挂食物袋）。这次为期 8 天的 The Thorofare 穿越，他计划带上卫星通讯设备（如 Garmin inReach）和防熊喷雾。他开玩笑说，自己现在还没有孩子，必须趁着这种行为“看起来还不算太不负责任”之前把愿望实现了，万一被狼吃了也没连累家庭。 --- ### [01:24:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5044s) 森林对现代焦虑的疗愈与单人荒野狩猎 Rogan 对这种荒野体验深表共鸣，他指出人类原本就是自然的一部分，城市生活割裂了这种联系，从而诱发了焦虑与精神异化；一旦重返密林，这种不适感就会自然消散。Tyrrell 补充道，荒野生活的纯粹性在于手机完全没有信号，一切回归到看地图找路的基本生存模式，他甚至想尝试使用传统指北针进行定向越野（orienteering）。 随后，对话延伸到荒野狩猎。Rogan 提到自己有很多朋友专门进行单人深入荒野的独猎（solo hunts）。在美国，这类狩猎受到严格的野生动物保护配额法规约束。野生动物生物学家会定期评估各区域的动物种群数量（例如白尾鹿或黑尾鹿），计算出为了维持种群整体健康而需要淘汰的个体数量。基于这些科学数据，政府各州渔业与野生动物部门会发放相应配额的狩猎标签（tags），部分区域提供非抽签的非处方标签（OTC / over-the-counter tags），另一些区域则需要猎人提前提交申请参与抽签分配。由于荒野独猎的成功率极低，管理部门在发放配额时也会充分将猎人的未捕获率计算在内。 ### [01:25:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5101s) 公共土地狩猎规则与内华达州驯鹿标签 Joe Rogan 向 Colum Tyrrell 解释了美国公共土地（public land）狩猎配额的运作机制。管理部门发放的狩猎标签（tags）数量有时比他们实际希望猎杀的动物数量多，比如发给你五个标签，并不代表你必须打满五只，大多数猎人最终可能只猎获一只。但在美国的一些受限狩猎单元（restricted units），获得标签极其困难。Rogan 以内华达州的马鹿（elk）为例指出，普通人可能需要连续申请抽签二十年才能拿到一个标签，因此这被称为“一生仅有一次的标签”（tag of a lifetime）。内华达州以栖息着巨型马鹿而闻名天下，一旦有人抽中，他们就会召集朋友组队深入山区扎营打猎。 Rogan 随后谈到原住民保留地的特殊管理制度。像内华达州等地的阿帕奇（Apache）及其他印第安保留地拥有世界顶级的马鹿狩猎领地。在这些保留地内，部落完全自主掌控资源：“The way it works is the nations control it. So um reservations in our country, they're essentially have their own laws and they they're not subject to the laws of the United States government.” 这种自治权不仅适用于普通法律，甚至连野生动物的打猎与捕鱼规范也完全独立于联邦或州法律之外。 ### [01:26:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5175s) 加拿大公有地政策与驼鹿的致命危险 Rogan 对比了加拿大被称为“公有地”（Crown land）的公共土地规定。对于白人等普通猎人，打猎受到严格的限额限制，熊、马鹿或驼鹿（moose）都必须凭单一标签打猎。然而那里的第一民族（First Nations）原住民则不受这些限制。Rogan 分享了自己在加拿大钓鱼的亲身经历：普通钓客每天只能捕捞一条大眼蛳鲈（walleye），但码头旁的原住民却能一桶接一桶地捕捞，想抓多少就抓多少。在狩猎驼鹿时，原住民猎人甚至可以使用探照灯进行夜猎，用强光照射致盲驼鹿后，直接站在皮卡车顶上将其射杀。 当 Tyrrell 表达自己想去阿迪朗达克山脉（Adirondacks）划独木舟、顺便看看从未见过的驼鹿时，Rogan 严肃警告了驼鹿的极度危险性。Rogan 强调驼鹿不同于其他鹿类，它们极具攻击性且体型庞大，体重可达 1,800 磅。野生驼鹿习惯了与灰熊和狼搏斗防卫，它们会狂暴地将威胁者践踏致死，尤其是带着幼崽的母驼鹿最为致命。Rogan 曾在卑诗省（British Columbia）打过一次驼鹿，并感叹近距离面对这种庞然大物时的震撼。尽管驼鹿在水中活动时显得有些笨拙，但它们在陆地上奔跑的速度远快于人类：“Oh, they're faster than they're faster than you and me. That's for [fucking] They have four legs and big muscles. Yeah, they they'll [fuck] you up.” ### [01:28:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5292s) 黄石公园的糊涂游客与自拍致死现象 话题随后转向死于野生动物攻击的荒谬方式。Tyrrell 开玩笑说，如果自己被野生动物踩死或徒步时踩到毒蛇丧命，虽然悲惨但也很滑稽，甚至会成为播客上的谈资。两人聊起知名的 Instagram 账号“黄石公园的蠢游客”（Tourons of Yellowstone），上面充斥着大量缺乏敬畏心的游客被美洲野牛（bison）撞飞的视频。Tyrrell 回忆起去年看到的一个网络热门片段：一位老人因为野牛追逐汽车而避让不及，像电影《三个臭皮匠》（The Three Stooges）一样绕着树慌忙逃窜，最终被野牛狠狠顶上半空，所幸落地拍拍灰尘后并无大碍。 由此两人延伸到了为了拍照自拍而不顾生命危险的群体。Tyrrell 调侃这或许是一种自然的群体淘汰，而 Rogan 认为虽然这令人叹息，但某种程度上“we're all going to die. And some deaths are learning experiences for the people that survive.” 这种心态让两人联想到纽约人面对地铁推人事件的冷漠反应——大家通常只会庆幸“还好不是我”。 - 纽约地铁推轨事件频次：制作团队或检索数据显示，纽约每年大约有 20 到 25 人被推下铁轨，但这属于掉入轨道的总人次，并不等同于被列车撞击或致死，不少人能在列车进站前爬回站台（例如 2024 年 12 月布鲁克林的一起案件，受害者在列车进站数秒前成功爬上站台脱险）。 - 自拍致死数据竞猜：两人竞猜全球每年自拍致死人数，Tyrrell 和 Rogan 一度猜到 1,700 甚至 2,000 人以上，但有据可查的公开报道统计表明，自 2011 年左右以来，49 个国家记录在案的自拍相关死亡案例约为 425 起。 - 伪装事故案件：Tyrrell 提及一桩据传发生在印度的恶性杀妻案，凶手借拍照为由让妻子站在悬崖边后退，以为四下无人便将其推下悬崖，不料全程被另一处崖顶上的目击者看在眼里。 - 荒唐案例：屏幕还展示了奥斯卡·奥托·阿吉拉尔（Oscar Otero Aguilar）因拿着上膛手枪自拍摆造型而意外走火身亡的著名事件。 ### [01:32:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5559s) 自拍死亡与濒死心理 两人首先探讨了一起发生于印度泰姬陵（Taj Mahal）皇家大门的争议性死亡事件：一名名为 Hayito Ua 的 66 岁日本游客据报道在台阶上自拍时跌落身亡。目击者称这是一起由自拍导致的摔伤，但法医尸检结果却判定死因为心脏病发作。Joe Rogan 与 Colum Tyrrell 辩论了这种死因的因果逻辑——究竟是自拍直接致死，还是失足滑落引发的剧烈恐慌促成了心脏骤停。Joe Rogan 形象地模拟了当时的心理状态：“Maybe he had a heart attack when he realized he was falling down the stairs and he's 66 years old and he realized, 'Oh my god, I'm going to die.'” 两人指出，当人类意识到自己可能即将丧命的瞬间，极度惊恐足以让本就脆弱的心脏彻底停摆。 随后，话题自然转向了二人个人生活中真正以为自己“死定了”的惊险瞬间。Joe Rogan 讲述了自己在 14 岁时经历的一场严重意外：当时他和朋友们在一处堆放巨型水泥下水道管道的场地玩耍，附近有一个安装在起重机上用来钩挂、吊装巨型水泥管的重型金属起重属具。在攀爬嬉闹中，这个沉重的金属吊具失衡砸落，狠狠击中了 Joe Rogan 的后脑勺。 当时撞击极为猛烈，造成了大量出血，并留下了一道极其明显的永久性疤痕。Rogan 描述称自己当时虽未彻底昏迷，但视线瞬间变成灰白色（grayed out），极度的剧痛让他坚信自己的生命已到尽头：“I was convinced I was dying and I was 14 and I had to go to the hospital.” 朋友们随后将满头鲜血的他送回家，父母紧急将其送往医院救治。Rogan 回忆道，如果那块铁器砸中的位置稍有偏差，他的头骨当场就会被彻底压碎。 --- ### [01:36:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5762s) 老挝漂流与致命水上充气垫惊魂 Colum Tyrrell 分享了自己年轻时在东南亚背包旅行的生死关头。他游历了泰国、越南和老挝（Laos），提到老挝著名的“轮胎漂流”（tubing）旅游经济——游客们坐在充气轮胎内沿着河流漂浮，两岸遍布播放 DJ 舞曲的酒吧、滑水道和跳台。河岸边常有约七岁的当地孩童，他们用长绳系着装满水的水瓶作为重物，以惊人的精准度抛掷进漂流者的怀中，借此将轮胎拉靠到酒吧码头并收取小费。 在其中一家酒吧，河面上漂浮着一个直径约 20 英尺（约 6 米）的巨型充气缓冲垫，供游客从悬崖跳水着陆。Colum 从高处跳落撞上气垫后滑入水中，然而就在他下沉的瞬间，另一名游客紧接着跳到了气垫上，导致巨大的气垫在水面上翻转移动。当 Colum 试图浮出水面换气时，头部直接撞到了气垫底部，整个人被死死困在巨大的气垫之下： - 他的第一反应是迅速侧向游开，但气垫在水面上漂移阻挡，导致他第二次上浮时再次撞击到厚重的软垫表面。 - 窒息引发的恐慌瞬间爆发，但他立刻强迫自己保持冷静（“relax, don't panic”），随后拼尽全力潜入更深的水下，向外盲游了很长一段距离才终于破水而出。 - 此时岸上的人群已经陷入极度恐慌与骚动，因为该地此前确实频繁发生游客溺亡事故。 Colum 感慨老挝的这种危险玩乐曾是“白人游客死掉也无人在意”的最后野蛮狂欢之地。这也引发了关于信息时代的讨论：在前互联网时代，外地游客丧生往往只是一则鲜为人知的本地新闻，而如今全球 80 亿人产生的各种厄运与惨剧每天都在通过屏幕无休止地轰炸大众的大脑。 --- ### [01:38:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=5900s) 屏幕暴力对年轻人的脱敏：从《Faces of Death》到 Rotten.com 两人深入探讨了视觉暴力与死亡影像在现代社会的泛滥问题，以及这种无处不在的冲击对年轻群体心理的钝化与脱敏。Joe Rogan 指出，过去社会常担忧《使命召唤》（Call of Duty）这类射击游戏会让青少年对暴力麻木，但如今真正的危机在于现实中真实的死亡与残忍画面随时可以在网络上轻易看到。 在谈及童年时接触到的极端内容载体时，二人对比了不同年代的文化现象： - **Joe Rogan 这一代（1980年代 VHS 录像带）**：以地下流传的纪录片《死亡的面孔》（Faces of Death）为代表，其中充斥着车裂肢解、血腥处决等死亡场景，包括宾夕法尼亚州政客巴德·德怀尔（R. Budd Dwyer）在贪腐丑闻发布会上当众使用.44 马格南左轮手枪吞枪自尽的真实录像。Colum 顺势讽刺了当代政治的道德滑坡，指出过去只要涉及一点停车罚单级别的丑闻就会导致政客声名扫地乃至自戕，而如今的公众人物就算被发现怀里坐着儿童都可能拒不认错。 - **Colum Tyrrell 这一代（早期互联网冲击）**：代表性的是臭名昭著的猎奇惊悚网站 Rotten.com。Colum 回忆自己大约八岁时，表哥就向他展示过该网站上一张男子将勃起生殖器塞进死鱼口中的极度荒诞恶心的照片；在当时的拨号网络下，图片一行行缓慢加载（“And you have to wait and it would load and you go, 'Is that a fish?'”），以及紧随其后的血腥自杀现场。 Colum 最终表达了自己对于网络自由与公众良知之间平衡的思考：“I think society might be better with... having a couple of walls in place for me to see a man with a [dick] in a fish would be good for people.” 两人一致认为，在现代社会中，对极端内容建立必要的保护屏障与规则界限，就如同道路设立限速标志一样，始终是自由与公共福祉之间难以调和的拉锯战。 ### [01:41:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6076s) 网络脱敏与巴德·德怀尔（Budd Dwyer）自杀事件 对话首先延续了网络极端内容对人类心理的塑造。Joe Rogan 与 Colum Tyrrell 探讨了网络暴力和怪异资讯对大众认知的影响。Joe Rogan 强调，接触那些根本不必要的信息正在形塑世界观，甚至让人极度脱敏：“Like you're you're getting access to information that formulates your worldview and that that information is not necessary.” 如今网络上的交流变得越来越刻薄，因为屏幕隔开的距离感让人不再把彼此当作真实的人类来看待。 紧接着，两人将话题转向了宾夕法尼亚州前财政司长巴德·德怀尔（R. Budd Dwyer）在 1987 年召开新闻发布会现场饮弹自尽的轰动历史。Colum Tyrrell 正在阅读关于此事的背景资料，提到德怀尔当时面临长达 55 年的监禁和巨额罚款，而他的同谋却仅获刑一年，显然有人将他当作替罪羊出卖。在这场长达 30 分钟的漫长演讲中，当现场记者以为发言告一段落准备收拾设备离开时，德怀尔说了一句令人毛骨悚然的话：“Some of you putting your cameras away. I think you ought to stay cuz we're not finished yet.” - 德怀尔在演讲中声称自己遭受政治迫害，起因是他拒绝为时任州长迪克·索恩伯（Dick Thornburgh）的妻子审批前往欧洲的差旅凭证。 - 他在自杀前公开反对死刑，并对自己早年在宾州议会投票赞成死刑表达了忏悔。 - 两人感叹在媒体长枪短炮前自杀的剧场效应，并将其与如今大众通过极端表演寻求关注的心理进行对比。 --- ### [01:43:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6230s) 政治荒诞模因与大弯国家公园的观星之旅 话题从极端的政治事件跳跃到当下流传的一张政治网络模因（Meme）。梗图对比了 1996 年与 2026 年政客的公关说辞：1996 年比尔·克林顿辩解“我吸过大麻但没吸入肺里”（I smoked pot once but I didn't inhale），而讽刺 2026 年的政客可能会说“我侵犯了儿童但我没吃掉他”。Joe 调侃道，过去人们哪怕承认抽过大麻都会被视作政治污点，后来奥巴马直接大方承认自己年轻时吸食过可卡因，时代对这类丑闻的敏感度早已天翻地覆。 随后，录音室天花板上偶尔划过的流星灯效引出了 Colum Tyrrell 前一周前往德克萨斯州大弯国家公园（Big Bend National Park）的旅行趣事。他和几位喜剧演员开着长途车前往西德克萨斯，在奇索斯山脉（Chisos Mountains）露营。大弯国家公园被认证为国际暗夜公园，是全美光污染最少、夜空最黑暗的地区之一。 - 正值狼蛛（Tarantula）的交配季节，营地周围到处都是爬行的巨大狼蛛，甚至爬上了他们的随身装备。 - 演员们坐在 Tommy Bahama 折叠椅上，服用了微量 LSD，连续凝视了整整 7 个小时的星空。 - 喜剧演员蒂姆·巴特利（Tim Butterly）特意带去了一台巨大的专业天文望远镜。 - 他们透过望远镜清晰观测到了土星及其光环的精细结构，在药物的感官放大效应下，那一幕带来了无与伦比的视觉震撼。 - Colum Tyrrell 调侃在安静的营地里，甚至能隐约听到隔壁帐篷里有人在半夜自我排解生理需求，这种世俗行为与头顶浩瀚宇宙形成了滑稽的反差。 --- ### [01:47:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6425s) 光污染、夏威夷凯克天文台与宇宙视角的谦逊感 Colum 与 Joe 深入探讨了现代城市如何剥夺了人类凝视宇宙的权利。现代城市造成的光污染彻底斩断了人类与浩瀚星空的日常连接；而在过去，清晰的银河与旋转的星系曾是每个夜晚免费的天然剧场。Colum 感慨，直到去了大弯国家公园，他才意识到自己此前从未真正见过星空，夜空密集到连北斗七星都难以辨认。 Joe Rogan 分享了自己带家人前往夏威夷大岛凯克天文台（W. M. Keck Observatory）的震撼经历。当车辆穿破厚重的云层登上海拔四千多米的高峰时，眼前豁然开朗，赶上无月夜的澄澈天空就像被繁星填满。Joe 描述那种体验仿佛人类不再立足于地球表面，而是乘坐在一个“敞篷的有机宇宙飞船”上在星际间飞驰：“It seemed like we were on an organic spaceship. That's what it seemed like. It did not seem like we were on Earth.” ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 人类与宇宙视角的脱节与重塑 accDescr: 流程图展示了现代城市光污染如何导致人类视角狭隘，以及在暗夜公园重获宇宙宏观视角对心理压力的缓解过程。 subgraph 现代城市生活 A["现代城市与工业文明"] -->|"光污染遮蔽夜空"| B["视线仅剩零星几颗微弱光点"] B -->|"切断与宏观宇宙的连接"| C["陷入微小琐事：职场晋升、人际摩擦"] end subgraph 暗夜自然体验 D["暗夜公园 / 凯克天文台"] -->|"无月夜、无光害观测"| E["清晰呈现银河、土星环与亿万星系"] E -->|"感官震撼与谦逊感 (Humbling Effect)"| F["重新建立宇宙坐标认知"] end F -.->|"宏观视角反哺日常"| C ``` 两人总结道，意识到自身在这片拥有千亿个星系的无限宇宙中何其微不足道，是一种极其必要的谦逊体验。当人沉浸在职场晋升受阻或人际纷争的焦虑中时，抬眼望向无限深邃的星空，那些困扰日常的烦恼瞬间就会被宇宙尺度的宏大所消解。 ### [01:49:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6580s) 露营星空下的尴尬爆笑与《Y.M.C.A.》神曲 在谈到生活中微不足道的烦恼（比如在超市打工的琐事、Netflix 订阅费上涨或是把生活不顺怪罪于政治）时，Colum Tyrrell 分享了一次荒诞的露营经历。当时已是凌晨两点，四周山谷寂静无声，遍布帐篷。一群人正躺在外头仰望星空，沉浸在浩瀚宇宙与前人凝视同一片星宿的历史感怀中。就在此时，喜剧演员兼播客主播 Mike Rainey 打了个招呼说要回帐篷睡觉。刚钻进帐篷不久，在毫无信号的山谷夜色里，他的手机突然莫名以最大音量外放起经典的迪斯科神曲《Y.M.C.A.》。 这首震耳欲聋、带有强烈同性恋狂欢色彩的歌曲在空旷寂静的群山间剧烈回荡，瞬间打破了露营者们原有的哲学沉思。Colum Tyrrell 和同伴们忍俊不禁，最终笑到流泪并持续了整整 25 分钟，甚至周围其他帐篷里的陌生人也跟着憋不住哄堂大笑。Mike Rainey 躲在帐篷里因极度尴尬而全程一言不发。Joe Rogan 也被这段经历逗得大笑，感慨这绝对是人生中最有趣的露营经历之一。 - 参与露营的包括《Dad Meat》播客联合主持人 Mike Rainey。 - 突发外放的音乐为 Village People 的经典同性恋金曲《Y.M.C.A.》。 - 整个山谷营地因为该曲的外放持续大笑了近 25 分钟。 ### [01:51:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6677s) Village People、《Y.M.C.A.》与川普集会的奇妙交集 两人顺着话题聊到了《Y.M.C.A.》奇特的发展轨迹：这首 1970 年代诞生的同性恋标志性舞曲，后来竟然演变成了唐纳德·川普（Donald Trump）竞选集会的固定配乐。Joe Rogan 回忆起自己参加川普就职典礼相关活动的见闻，提到当年的 Village People 甚至在庆典的派对上登台表演过，不过台上的成员早已物是人非，没人分得清那个演警察或工人的演员究竟还是不是原班人马。 当年这首歌的现场表演充满狂欢与放纵色彩，而如今不仅原唱阵容凋零，它还变成了川普在竞选舞台上招牌式摆动身体的“战歌”。两人对此都感到极其荒诞，昔日的同性恋群体赞歌居然在数十年后毫无违和地融入了保守派的大型政治集会现场。 - Joe Rogan 曾亲眼目睹 Village People 残存成员在川普就职庆祝派对上演出。 - 两人吐槽如今 Village People 的职业装扮角色（如警察等）即使随便换人，台下也很难有人能分辨真伪。 - 川普在竞选集会上伴随着《Y.M.C.A.》即兴起舞已成为其标志性画面之一。 ### [01:52:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6732s) 川普与 Nicki Minaj：现代政治的荒诞秀场 话题随后转向饶舌歌手 Nicki Minaj 对川普的支持。Colum Tyrrell 对这种政治站队表示十分纳闷，开玩笑称 Nicki Minaj 或许只是为了卖唱片，或者寻求某种过气后重新博得眼球的方式。更离奇的是，川普曾在一场集会或公开活动中直接在台上公开谈论 Nicki Minaj 的身材与臀部。 川普在演讲中毫无顾忌地宣称自己看了对方的臀部，并大声直言“实在太显眼了想不看到都难”，而身着路易威登（Louis Vuitton）的 Nicki Minaj 甚至当众转了个圈向全场观众展示。面对这种魔幻场景，Colum Tyrrell 调侃道：“He might be going for a third term with Nikki's ass. Fucking vice president.” 两人同时感叹，过去的政治人物讲究正襟危坐、说话滴水不漏，而如今不仅脏话满天飞，连国家领导人也能像脱口秀演员一样在台上大聊女明星的臀部，彻底颠覆了传统政客严肃自律的形象。 - Nicki Minaj 公开表达对川普的支持并现身互动。 - 川普在演讲现场公开发表评论：“By the way, I looked at one hell of a beautiful ass before Nicki Minaj.” - 两人讨论了当代政客形象的彻底变质：从过去恪守礼仪、避免粗鄙语言，转变为频繁爆粗口、走娱乐化路线。 ### [01:55:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=6958s) 川普在 Truth Social 上写给比尔·马赫的长篇“分手信” 随着两人聊到川普在社交媒体上的发言风格，Joe Rogan 调取了川普在 Truth Social 上痛骂脱口秀主持人比尔·马赫（Bill Maher）的公开长文。起因是比尔·马赫在节目中声称川普正在失去共和党内部的支持且民调走低，这彻底激怒了川普。两人将这篇文字戏称为一封充满怨念与委屈的“分手信”，犹如一个刚被甩的女生在大倒苦水。 Joe Rogan 逐句朗读了川普这篇长篇大论。川普在信中不仅用全大写字母骂比尔·马赫是“彻底的彻头彻尾的失败者”（A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LOSER），还大肆贬低播出马赫节目的 HBO 电视台，称其早已失去往日的高端品质与吸引力。川普借题发挥，详细叙述了马赫的商业伙伴查克·拉贝拉（Chuck LaBella）当年如何在他主持的现象级真人秀《学徒》（The Apprentice）里跑腿当剧务，进而平步青云升入 NBC 高层。川普吹嘘《学徒》当年是如何缔造电视史神话、捧红各路人马，甚至强力反驳“有人说这个节目塑造了我的职业生涯从而让我当选总统”的观点，坚称“没有这个节目我也一样能赢”。 随后川普在信中声称，多年来拉贝拉一直频繁给他打电话示好，转达比尔·马赫对他的敬仰与尊重，并反复央求川普参加马赫的节目，而自己坚决拒绝上这档“收视率低下、充斥谎言”的节目。川普还批评马赫在伊朗核问题上智商欠费，并愤怒驳斥关于自己失去共和党选民支持的说辞。Joe Rogan 和 Colum Tyrrell 边看边笑，总结川普的文字无论别人喜欢与否，其源源不断的自恋、大写强调、戏剧化吐槽和个人恩怨叙事，堪称是一件“永不停歇的馈赠”。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 川普 Truth Social 攻击比尔·马赫逻辑链路 accDescr: 展现川普因比尔·马赫的言论在社交媒体上从贬低平台到自吹自擂再到反驳民调的宣泄过程 A["比尔·马赫节目批评川普<br/>称其流失共和党民意支持"] --> B["川普在 Truth Social 发布长文痛斥"] subgraph S1["人身攻击与贬低平台"] B --> C["抨击比尔·马赫为'彻底的失败者'"] C --> D["抨击 HBO 电视台已彻底沦落"] end subgraph S2["叙述《学徒》辉煌往事与拒绝邀约"] D --> E["提及马赫合伙人当年在《学徒》当剧务"] E --> F["炫耀自身商业成就并坚称早回绝上节目"] end subgraph S3["反驳政绩与民调数据"] F --> G["批评马赫在伊朗核问题上愚蠢"] G --> H["用全大写词汇痛批'虚假民调'并坚称党内支持率极高"] end ``` - 川普在长文中以全大写强调比尔·马赫为“COMPLETE AND TOTAL LOSER”，并贬低马赫在 HBO 的节目收视低迷。 - 川普搬出马赫的合伙人 Chuck LaBella 曾在《学徒》（The Apprentice）打杂的旧事，用来凸显自己的功绩与地位。 - 川普在信中直言针对马赫的指责：“When I have watched the show, which isn't often, it always ends with dishonesty about me at least.” - 针对比尔·马赫关于其党内支持率下滑的言论，川普全盘否认并痛斥其使用的是“假民调”（FAKE POLLS），坚称自己在党内依然保持极高的统治力。 ### [01:58:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=7126s) 特朗普声讨比尔·马赫的 Truth Social 长文 Joe Rogan 和 Colum Tyrrell 朗读并剖析了唐纳德·特朗普在 Truth Social 上针对脱口秀主持人比尔·马赫（Bill Maher）发布的超长声讨帖子。帖子里充满了令人啼笑皆非的民调数据炫耀与格式细节——特朗普声称自己在共和党内拥有“98%到99%的支持率，创下历史最高（All-Time Record High）”，还特别强调里根当年的支持率只有86%；随后又引用 CNN 数据专员 Harry Enten 的话称自己是“上个世纪最具影响力的总统”。特朗普甚至列举了一项据称来自 CNN 的“共和党历史最受欢迎人物”民调，声称自己以53%高居榜首，而罗纳德·里根为18%，亚伯拉罕·林肯仅为8%。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 特朗普与比尔·马赫的白宫互动始末 accDescr: 展示从中间人撮合到两次白宫晚宴及最终公开翻脸的全过程。 subgraph 撮合阶段 A["中间人介入<br/>Chuck LaBella 与 Kid Rock 频繁联络"] --> B["特朗普初始态度<br/>视马赫为'古怪蠢蛋'（Goofball）"] end subgraph 白宫接触 B --> C["第一次白宫晚宴<br/>马赫表现紧张、自备伤痕、要酒喝"] C --> D["初次节目反馈良好<br/>大量'笑声机器'效果"] D --> E["第二次白宫晚宴<br/>马赫醉酒穿行、Stephen A. Smith 等人同行"] end subgraph 破裂与声讨 E --> F["马赫节目转而猛烈抨击"] F --> G["Truth Social 发长文声讨<br/>指责假新闻与人造笑声并下达断交令"] end ``` 特朗普在帖子里严厉抨击马赫是个“谎话连篇”的人，并对其节目里连绵不绝的观众笑声产生强烈怀疑，质问他到底用了什么牌子的“笑声机器（Laughter Machine）”，因为那些段子根本不好笑。Rogan 和 Tyrrell 边读边笑，调侃马赫录制现场确实有暖场导演带着耳机挥手指挥观众鼓掌欢呼。特朗普随后回顾了两人交往的始末：最初在制片人 Chuck LaBella 和摇滚歌手 Kid Rock 的多次极力游说下，他才勉强同意会面。第一次在白宫共进晚餐时，特朗普声称马赫极其紧张、“眼睛和鼻子严重淤青，就像刚被暴打了一顿，但不是我干的”。特朗普通篇还不忘自夸白宫在他的翻修下变得“极其迷人而优美”。 - 民调争议数据：特朗普自称党内支持率达 98%-99%，历史上最受欢迎共和党人得票 53%，里根 18%，林肯 8%。 - 特朗普声称自己在众议院的背书胜率为 98%，参议院为 100%，以此怒斥马赫批评共和党候选人是歪曲事实。 - 对于外界关于白宫简报室要改建为游泳池的传言，特朗普在文中澄清绝无此事，仅考虑过将媒体迁往他处以腾出急需的空间。 - 特朗普痛斥马赫是个无可救药的“大烟鬼（Pothead）”，并指责加州存在大量非法选票，声称光是最近几天就发现了2万张，总数可能轻易超过100万。 ### [02:03:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=7431s) 长文的行文细节与幕后吐槽 在帖子的后半段，特朗普严厉批评马赫在《Real Time》节目中针对白宫新闻发言人卡罗琳·莱维特（Karoline Leavitt）的刁难采访，骂提问者是“愚蠢又偏颇的人渣（dumb sleazebag）”，同时夸赞莱维特的防守无可挑剔。帖子的结尾充满了典型的特朗普式告诫，他勒令马赫以后别再打电话套近乎，也让 Chuck LaBella 不要再天天打电话吹捧“多么爱特朗普”；他指责马赫为了迎合那群“不爱工作的失败者（Losers）”而当懦夫，不敢承认国家在自己的领导下运转得有多棒，甚至断言：“If I hadn't won the election, it would be dead.” 针对这篇收获了数千次转发的长文，Rogan 和 Tyrrell 忍俊不禁，调侃起总统到底哪里来的大把闲暇时间去字斟句酌地推敲这种小事。Tyrrell 戏谑道，身边的工作人员可能巴不得他把精力耗在写这些网络长文上：“I think the people around him probably just go, he'll be distracted for a couple of hours. Let him go. Let him go work on his little blog and we'll try to correct the decisions he made earlier today.” Rogan 更是脑补了特朗普在房间里一边来回踱步口述、一边严厉指挥打字秘书的滑稽画面——“把‘Lies’里的L大写！把‘Losers’里的L大写！‘Fans’给我加上引号！结尾再提一遍笑声机器！” - 帖子的签名格式极其讲究，以正式公文口吻收尾：“Thank you for your attention to this matter. President Donald J. Trump”。 - 截屏时该贴在 Truth Social 上获得了超过4.64万次 ReTruth（转推）。 ### [02:06:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=7597s) 特朗普身价暴增与政客割韭菜的“Meme 币” 两人的讨论顺势从特朗普的时间管理延展到了他的财富增长上。Tyrrell 好奇特朗普在忙于政治事务的同时，其个人净资产是如何在过去几年里翻倍甚至翻了数倍的。根据媒体披露的估算数据，自赢得2024年总统大选以来，特朗普的净资产增加了约27亿美元至41亿美元，使其总身价达到约64亿美元，不过 Rogan 认为这一数字依然被严重低估，实际资产远不止于此。 Rogan 明确表示，整个政府体制内的官员原则上都不应该利用公权力谋取私利：“Well, it should be the case with the entire government that they shouldn't be able to profit off of it.” 两人随后谈到了特朗普家族涉足的“特朗普币（Trump coin）”等加密货币项目，指出其本质上无异于虚拟币圈司空见惯的“拉高出货（pump and dump）”割韭菜套路。Rogan 指出不仅是特朗普，像亨特·拜登（Hunter Biden）等人也都在搞类似的 Meme 币敛财，这已经成了政客与关联利益群体圈钱的典型把戏。 ### [02:08:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=7681s) 模因币、洗钱与艺术品背后的利益输送 Joe Rogan 与 Colum Tyrrell 探讨了模因币（Memecoin）的击鼓传花机制。Rogan 直言这本质上就是一种庞氏骗局（Ponzi scheme），每个人都在把币价炒高，并指望在崩盘前找到最高点抽身。紧接着，两人分析这种机制如何演变为现代版的洗钱或隐蔽行贿通道。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 现代隐蔽利益输送逻辑图 accDescr: 对比艺术品与模因币在洗钱与隐蔽献金中的运作机制流程图 subgraph ArtRoute ["艺术品路径 (如 Hunter Biden)"] A1["无法直接合法送钱"] --> A2["要求对方作画"] A2 --> A3["天价（如50万美元）购买画作"] A3 --> A4["资金完成合法转移"] end subgraph CryptoRoute ["模因币路径 (如政客或网红币)"] B1["发行特定模因币"] --> B2["海外实体或金主注入巨额资本拉升"] B2 --> B3["散户与追随者跟风抬价"] B3 --> B4["关键持币人在高位套现合法离场"] end ``` Rogan 将其与 Hunter Biden 的天价艺术品争议做类比：当一个人想向某人输送利益却无法直接汇款时，最简单的借口就是“你随便画一幅画，我出 50 万美元买下来”。而模因币则将这一过程升级到了金融网络层面。假定某国政客或关系人要接受献金，只需发行一个代币，背后实体注入数亿美元炒高估值，相关人士即可在高位抽身套现，将灰产资金名正言顺地转变为“合法的投资收益”。 - 针对模因币跑路现象，两人提及了因“Hawk Tuah”网络热梗爆红的女孩（Haliey Welch）推出的代币。Rogan 认为她本质上只是一个 20 岁出头的年轻女孩，根本不懂背后的金融操盘逻辑，最终被幕后者利用拉地毯（Rug pull）割了韭菜。 - Tyrrell 戏谑道这些因网络爆梗暴富的人一旦发财，睡上真丝床单、吃上鱼子酱，就再也不像从前那样接地气了。 - Rogan 感叹不仅是小网红，包括前第一夫人梅拉尼娅（Melania Trump）在内的各色人物都涉足模因币，常人很难理解究竟是谁会把全部身家押注在“Melania Coin”这类资产上。 ### [02:11:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=7868s) 特朗普的加密资产与宪法“薪酬条款”争议 两人随后聚焦于唐纳德·特朗普（Donald Trump）从加密货币中获取巨额财富的现象。Colum Tyrrell 调侃总统在任期内搞点高达 20 亿美元的“被动收入副业”实在荒诞。Rogan 翻查即时资料指出，总统从商业或加密货币中赚钱并不自动违法，因为法律条文在利益冲突规避规则上为总统职位留有特定豁免空间，但在公众眼中，这种行为无疑是巨大的利益冲突。 Colum Tyrrell 尖锐地指出政治生态中诚实者的悲哀，并直言：“They'll lose an election and then next election they'll they'll lie through their fucking teeth because they go, 'I lost it on honesty before, and now I'm corrupt.'” - **法律指控细节**：资料显示，一项联邦民事诉讼指出特朗普涉嫌通过两笔与阿联酋（UAE）有关联的交易非法获利： - 一笔是由阿联酋国家安全顾问谢赫·塔哈农（Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan）背后实体以 5 亿美元收购 World Liberty Financial 49% 的股份； - 另一笔是由塔哈农担任主席的阿布扎比投资基金斥资 20 亿美元购买 World Liberty USD1 稳定币。 - **宪法违规指控**：该诉讼指控这些交易涉嫌违反美国宪法的“外国薪酬条款”（Foreign Emoluments Clause），原告要求强制披露交易细节并追回涉嫌非法的商业利润。 - Rogan 透露自己也曾多次被加密项目方联系，劝说其发行“Joe Coin”或“JRE Coin”，但他全部予以拒绝，认为这类东西不是真正的货币，纯粹是利用法律漏洞。 ### [22:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=80100s) 特朗普疲劳症与中东地缘政治隐忧 Colum Tyrrell 表示，自己在美国生活的这段时间里，公共视野基本全被特朗普完全占据，如今公众已经感到“特朗普疲劳”。谈及特朗普近期写给比尔·马赫（Bill Maher）的信件时，Rogan 与 Tyrrell 一致认为这表现得极其难看。 “Things like that letter to Bill Maher are not the best. Like that's that's not a good look,” Rogan 评价道。Tyrrell 则紧接着附和这是他见过特朗普做过最差劲的事情之一。 随后谈话转向国际局势，Tyrrell 坦言自己之前在伊朗危机与战争风险发酵期间，整天狂听 Nick Fuentes 和 Dave Smith 等时政评论员的分析，精神内耗严重，最后不得不关掉手机直接躲进树林放空。对此，Rogan 剖析了两种心态的博弈：虽然关掉手机能获得片刻安宁，但外部世界的动荡并不会停止，炸弹一旦落下终究会波及普通人。两人担忧地指出，许多分析人士认为在国会中期选举（Midterms）结束之后，中东与伊朗局势极有可能会再次全面爆发，目前的平静只是暂时搁置而非彻底解决。 ### [02:16:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8184s) 政治幻灭与军工复合体 谈话从对外交地缘政治失误的严厉批评切入。Colum Tyrrell 认为当前的国际局势堪称“真正的惨败”和“灾难”，在世界舞台上显得软弱无力。Joe Rogan 指出，历任美国总统都曾面临被游说去轰炸伊朗的压力，无论奥巴马还是拜登都顶住了压力没有实施，背后的推手往往直指特定中东地缘利益集团，甚至各种势力都会被拿来借题发挥，比如动辄把责任归咎于俄罗斯。 Joe Rogan 进一步反思了那些曾支持唐纳德·特朗普的民众所面临的巨大幻灭感。他强调在特朗普上任之前，最凝聚共识、最吸引人的一项口号就是“停止战争”，然而现实却屡屡背道而驰。Joe Rogan 剖析了其根深蒂固的利益链条：“Because we keep thinking like why we involve these unnecessary wars because we always assume there's so much money involved in politics because the military-industrial complex has a huge amount of cash. They influence politicians. They influence policy. They need more war so they could sell more weapons.”（因为我们总在想，为什么我们会卷入这些不必要的战争？因为我们总认为政治中牵涉了太多金钱，军工复合体拥有庞大资金。他们影响政客，左右政策。他们需要更多的战争，才能卖出更多的武器。）这种政治消耗感让两人都深感厌倦。 ```mermaid flowchart LR accTitle: 军工复合体游说循环 accDescr: 描述军工复合体如何通过资金影响政客和政策，从而制造战争并销售武器的循环机制。 subgraph 游说机制 MIC["军工复合体<br/>(大量资金)"] -->|"游说与资金输送"| Politicians["政客与决策层"] Politicians -->|"制定干预政策"| War["不必要的战争"] War -->|"军火需求激增"| Sales["武器销售与利润"] Sales --> MIC end ``` --- ### [02:17:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8261s) 逃离政治：阿拉斯加看熊与野生动物之旅 面对持续不断的政治纷扰，Colum Tyrrell 坦言自己感到极度身心俱疲，只想关闭手机远离这一切。他分享了自己即将启程的阿拉斯加之旅：先在安克雷奇（Anchorage）进行周末专场演出，随后前往著名的卡特迈国家公园（Katmai National Park）去拍摄棕熊捕食三文鱼的画面。虽然他去的时候是 9 月，已经过了三文鱼在瀑布飞跃的高峰期，但熊仍会在水流的其他区域捕捉回流的鱼。 Colum 计划在公园里过夜露营。他提到营地有带通电铁丝网的防护区，并幽默地对比了住宿价格：园区内的小木屋一晚高达 700 美元左右，而在帐篷区与熊一网之隔露营只要 12 美元，他毫不犹豫地选择了露营。Joe Rogan 对此十分赞同，认为住帐篷才是“更原汁原味、不被门阻隔”的体验，并回忆起自己当年与阿里·沙菲尔（Ari Shaffir）在安克雷奇进行两天三文鱼钓鱼之旅的经历。期间 Colum 顺带宣传了自己的全新 YouTube 喜剧专场《Bells and Whistles》，并推荐粉丝前往个人网站购票。 - 卡特迈国家公园（Katmai National Park）以棕熊捕捉回游三文鱼闻名。 - 9 月虽过飞跃瀑布的主汛期，但熊仍在其他水域大量进食。 - 园区住宿对比悬殊：小木屋约 700 美元/晚，电网保护内的露营地仅 12 美元/晚。 --- ### [02:19:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8344s) 博茨瓦纳狮群与荒野近距离接触 讨论随之转向野生动物行为的不可思议之处。Colum 提到棕熊在捕鱼季节食物极度充沛，因而对攻击人类缺乏兴趣。他联想到在 Instagram 上关注的创作者 Grizzly Guy（参与《Endless Venture》节目拍摄）。该团队曾深入阿拉斯加的极昼冻原追踪北极熊和棕熊，还曾前往博茨瓦纳的奥卡万戈三角洲（Okavango Delta）。 在博茨瓦纳，那里的狮群同样因为猎物充足，对人类没有主动攻击的欲望。Colum 描述了极具画面感的一幕：摄影团队坐在毫无遮挡、毫无威胁的姿态中播放受伤动物的拟声呼叫，雄狮首领带领整个狮群缓缓围拢，双方在极近距离平静对视长达五分钟，随后狮子竟直接在身旁趴下休息。此外，营地夜间最大的危险其实是野象践踏，必须彻夜生火，队员必须每小时轮流醒来添柴以驱赶大象。Joe Rogan 提到这位探险家也曾上过好友 Cameron Hanes 的播客。面对这种令人心惊肉跳的野外体验，Colum 充满向往，笑称：“Please reach out and bring me to somewhere really scary.”（请一定联系我，把我带去那些真正吓人的地方吧。） --- ### [02:20:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8458s) 观鸟爱好、AI 喂鸟器与自然观察 谈到为何对荒野产生如此狂热的兴趣，Colum 透露这一切始于“观鸟（Birding）”。Joe Rogan 调侃买高端双筒望远镜整天盯树枝的人往往只有两类：“And the biggest market is actually birders. The second biggest market is hunters.”（最大的消费市场实际上是观鸟爱好者，第二大市场才是猎人。）Colum 承认自己深陷其中，并认为用长焦镜头追踪鸟类与猎人追踪猎物在技能上高度相通，都需要熟知动物叫声和风向变化。相较于难得一见的陆生哺乳动物，鸟类无处不在，即使在后院也能观察。 两人还聊到了科技对观鸟的改变。Joe 提到好友 Tommy 安装了一款带有 AI 功能的高科技喂鸟器，摄像头识别到来访鸟类后会自动拍摄并将品种推送到手机上。Colum 兴奋地表示自己也在新泽西岳父母靠近树林的家中安装了同款设备。尽管频繁的手机弹窗提醒有时让人不胜其烦，但当他意外抓拍到一只罕见的蜂鸟落在水槽边时，立刻激动地将其记入自己的“观鸟生命清单”（Life List）中。Colum 解释道，一旦你开始好奇窗外阅读时听到的究竟是什么声音、它们在交流什么，你就会不可自拔地爱上大自然。 - 高端望远镜核心买家群体第一为观鸟者，第二为猎人。 - AI 喂鸟器能实时图像识别并推送鸟类物种。 - 观鸟爱好者通常会记录“生命清单”（Life List），记录亲眼见过的所有鸟种。 --- ### [02:23:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8592s) 白头海雕与加州美洲狮偶遇 话题随后回到阿拉斯加的自然景观。Joe Rogan 提醒 Colum 到了阿拉斯加一定会看到铺天盖地的白头海雕（Bald Eagles），多得像大城市的鸽子一样寻常。Colum 回忆起自己在蒙大拿州钓鱼时见过的猛禽雄姿，对白头海雕从水面直接俯冲突袭、用利爪抓起鲜活鱼类腾空而起的场景赞叹不已，认为能亲眼目睹这种大自然捕食瞬间是人生最棒的享受。 谈及在野外徒步与偶遇猛兽的风险，Colum 坦言自己的终极心愿之一是在野外目睹美洲狮（Mountain Lion），但他自嘲道如果真正面撞上美洲狮，恐怕就已经太迟了。Joe Rogan 则分享了自己的亲身经历：他曾数次在野外见过美洲狮。其中一次发生在加州圣巴巴拉的蒙特西托（Montecito），当时他正开车行驶在路上，突然看到一个动物横穿街道，起初他以为只是一只普通的郊狼，直到看见那条极具辨识度、长而呈波浪般摆动的尾巴，他才惊呼：“Oh [ __ ] that's a cat.”（操，那是一只大猫！）瞬间确认那是一只货真价实的美洲狮。 ### [02:24:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8646s) 蒙特西托的美洲狮与深夜的怪叫 Joe 和 Colum 聊起了美洲狮（Mountain Lions）。Joe 回忆起自己曾在蒙特西托（Montecito）目睹一只美洲狮横穿马路，那是一个非常高档、漂亮的住宅区，到处都是美丽的古旧老宅，而野生美洲狮就在其中穿行。Colum 提到自己在大弯国家公园（Big Bend）露营时，也曾好奇这些捕食者在夜里究竟离人类有多近。Joe 解释说，它们根本不需要离你几英里远，它们对你的位置了如指掌。 Colum 分享了一段经历：他们在看日落时，听到黑暗中传来某种动物的低吼声。他最近还看到一段视频，里面某种动物在夜间发出的叫声听起来简直就像一个痛苦惨叫的男人。Joe 指出，那种令人毛骨悚然的尖叫声正是美洲狮的标志性叫声。两人随即开玩笑地模拟起在荒郊野外迷路、手机没电、水快喝光，还要向妻子保证“路就在前面”时，背景中突然响起这种恐怖尖叫的绝望场景。 > Colum 说道：“当外面一片漆黑，你听到那种声音，你就会想：‘哦，我的天，我们要死在这里了。’” - **大弯国家公园露营体验**：Colum 提到在夜间能听到无法分辨的野兽低吼声，让人神经紧绷。 - **美洲狮的习性**：它们并不避开人类居住区，在蒙特西托等高档住宅区也常有出没，且在夜间能精准掌握人类的动向。 ### [02:25:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8750s) 爱尔兰的狩猎计划与史前巨兽爱尔兰麋鹿 Colum 透露自己虽然从未打过猎，但目前正在计划去爱尔兰进行一次狩猎之旅。他的堂兄卡哈尔·罗文（Cathal Rowan，名字拼写为 C-A-T-H-A-L，其中 T 不发音）现在成了一名 YouTube 博主，经常在频道上分享自己清晨架起大三脚架猎杀鹿的视频。Colum 顺便在节目中帮堂兄宣传了一下，开玩笑说堂兄现在只有 725 个粉丝，要是到了明天突然涨到 100 万粉丝，而自己却什么都没涨，那就太搞笑了。 话题随后转到了爱尔兰的自然历史。Joe 提到了爱尔兰麋鹿（Irish Elk），这是有史以来体型最大的鹿科动物。Joe 解释说，人们在湖泊（Loughs）里钓鱼时，曾意外捞出过它们巨大的、已经化石化的鹿角，其尺寸远超现代的任何驼鹿（Moose）。Colum 补充说，在有历史记载之前，早期生活在爱尔兰的人类曾与这些巨兽以及古熊共同生活，考古学家还发现了带有早期人类切割痕迹的熊骨，证明人类曾猎杀过它们。 > Joe 说道：“它们体型巨大。你知道人们是意外发现它们的鹿角的吗？就像大家在钓鱼时把它们捞上来那样？” - **卡哈尔·罗文（Cathal Rowan）的 YouTube 频道**：Colum 在节目中为这位记录爱尔兰狩猎生活的堂兄引流。 - **爱尔兰麋鹿（Irish Elk）**：历史上最大的鹿科动物，其巨大的鹿角化石常在爱尔兰的湖泊中被渔民意外捕捞上岸。 - **史前生态**：在爱尔兰有文字记载的历史之前，人类曾与爱尔兰麋鹿和古熊共存，并对它们进行过狩猎。 ### [02:27:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8872s) 狼群重引入的争议与科罗拉多的冲突 Colum 提到爱尔兰以前也有狼，后来被赶尽杀绝，但他听说现在有人把狼重新引入了。Joe 对重新引入狼群的举动深表担忧，他指出狼群繁殖力强、智商极高，一旦放归就会带来巨大的麻烦。Joe 举了科罗拉多州的例子，称当地政府做出了一个极其愚蠢的决定，竟然直接在阿斯彭（Aspen）城外重新引入了狼群。 Joe 透露，其中一些狼被直接投放到了他朋友的牧场上。虽然这位朋友自己不养牲畜，但他的牧场与其他养殖牛只和牛犊的牧场相连。结果，这些狼开始大肆捕杀邻近牧场的牛和牛犊。Colum 感叹道，这正是人类最初要把狼群赶尽杀绝的根本原因——它们不仅危害牲畜，在历史上也会袭击人类。 > Joe 说道：“科罗拉多做出了最他妈愚蠢的决定。他们把狼带回来，并在阿斯彭城外重新引入了它们。” - **科罗拉多狼群重引入争议**：政府在阿斯彭附近放归狼群，导致周边牧场的牛只和幼崽遭到严重捕杀。 - **人狼冲突的历史根源**：人类历史上消灭狼群并非单纯因为它们袭击人类，更主要的原因是它们对人类赖以生存的牲畜构成了致命威胁。 ### [02:28:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=8918s) 一战时期的“人狼休战”传说与历史真相 Joe 分享了一个来自第一次世界大战的著名历史轶事：当时德国和俄罗斯军队因为有太多士兵被狼群咬死，竟然达成了一项临时停火协议。双方决定先联手消灭狼群，然后再继续互相厮杀。Colum 将其比作一战中英德士兵在圣诞夜停下来踢足球（Christmas Truce kickabout）的传说。Colum 怀疑足球赛的传说可能是虚构的，但 Joe 坚称这两个故事都是真实的。 为了验证“人狼休战”的真实性，制作人 Jamie 开始在网上搜索相关资料。虽然一些 AI 工具将其标记为“潜在的虚构故事”，因为缺乏官方军事命令或指挥日志的佐证，但 Joe 让 Jamie 打开了知名户外狩猎媒体《肉食者》（MeatEater）撰写的一篇详细考证文章。 根据 1917 年包括《纽约时报》（New York Times）、《埃尔帕索先驱报》（El Paso Herald）和《俄克拉荷马城时报》（Oklahoma City Times）在内的多家当代主流媒体报道，当时由于战争破坏了立陶宛和波希米亚森林的生态，大批饥饿的巨型狼群涌入人类活动区。这些极度饥饿且体型庞大的俄罗斯狼不仅袭击村庄、牲畜和儿童，还聚集在战线前沿啃食战死者的尸体，甚至袭击丧失行动能力的伤兵。最终，在前线指挥官的默许下，敌对双方不得不派出代表，举着白旗达成局部休战协定，共同应对这场可怕的“狼灾”。 > Joe 说道：“德国人和俄国人曾达成过停火协议，因为他们有太多人被狼咬死了。他们达成停火，决定：‘我们先去杀狼，然后再回去互相残杀。’” - **1917 年新闻报道**：包括《纽约时报》在内的多家媒体在 1917 年详细报道了东线战场的狼灾及两军联合抗狼的事件。 - **狼灾起因**：一战的战火破坏了森林，导致立陶宛和波希米亚等地的狼群流离失所，饥不择食地袭击前线士兵和后方村民。 - **圣诞停战（Christmas Truce）**：Colum 提到的英德士兵圣诞节踢足球事件，虽然常被质疑，但在历史学界同样有广泛的非官方记录支持。 ### [02:31:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9112s) 遭遇狼群与残酷的自然法则 对话从狼群对人类的致命威胁展开。Joe Rogan 讲述了人们在野外发现只剩一只靴子、里面的腿被撕咬扯断的可怖场景，指出如果是只有两人的小队，面对多达 50 只的大型狼群，狼群绝对会把人吃掉。Rogan 提到了他的好友 John Dudley 的一次亲身经历：Dudley 在猎麋鹿（elk）时不慎正好射中了狼窝附近的麋鹿，随即被狼群包围。狼群开始朝他们猛扑发起攻击，Dudley 用弓箭射杀了其中两只，随行的同伴用步枪击毙了一只。狼群在目睹同伴中箭倒地后意识到情况不对，随即撤退。Dudley 后来在播客中专门聊过这起惊险事件，家里至今还保留着那几具狼头骨。 Colum Tyrrell 联想到自然纪录片中野牛被狼群围攻的残忍画面：一头离群的野牛被狼群团团包围，狼群不停撕咬，野牛在原地转圈抵抗长达五到八个小时；镜头背后的拍摄团队目睹动物在长达数小时内垂死挣扎，甚至难过得痛哭流涕。两人探讨起古老童话的起源，指出诸如《大红帽与大灰狼》等故事并非凭空捏造，当年如果让孩子穿过森林回家，他们确实极有可能被狼吃掉。Tyrrell 戏谑说自己以前一直以为大灰狼装扮成外婆是在隐喻恋童癖，Rogan 则回应表示也许有这层隐喻，但历史上狼群袭击并吃人是实实在在发生过的严重问题。 - John Dudley 在麋鹿狩猎遭遇狼群包围时，依靠精准射击在近距离用弓击毙 2 只狼，同伴用步枪击毙 1 只，狼群察觉这不是普通猎物且有远程致命武器后撤退。 - 野生动物纪录片幕后人员曾因连续 8 小时目睹野牛被群狼活活撕咬消耗而情绪崩溃落泪。 --- ### [02:33:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9220s) 弓猎的极致难度与瞄准机制 Colum Tyrrell 询问 Rogan 用弓箭打猎的最远命中纪录，Rogan 透露自己的最远距离是 80 码（约 73 米），击中的是一头雄麋鹿。Rogan 详细解释了现代弓猎的复杂瞄准系统：猎手外出时会携带测距仪（rangefinder），先用测距仪锁定猎物并得出精确码数；随后通过弓上的调节拨盘调整瞄准具，瞄准器上的刻度准星会根据设定距离上下移动。例如测出距离为 60 码，就将刻度拨到 60 码处，准星便会精准定位到箭矢因重力下落的预计弹着点上，只要撒放动作平稳、身体不出现晃动，箭矢就会命中目标。 ```mermaid flowchart LR accTitle: 弓箭瞄准与射击流程 accDescr: 展示从测距仪锁定到精准撒放箭矢的操作步骤 subgraph PREP["目标测距"] A["激光测距仪锁定猎物"] --> B["获取精确码数 (如 60 码)"] end subgraph SIGHT["瞄具微调"] B --> C["调节弓上瞄准具拨盘"] C --> D["准星移动至对应弹道落点"] end subgraph SHOT["机械撒放"] D --> E["稳定拉弓姿态并平稳撒放"] end ``` 谈及这项运动的魅力，Joe Rogan 感叹道：“如果你想陷入一种极度痴迷的无底洞，弓猎是我陷进去过的最让人痴迷的无底洞（Bow hunting is the greatest rabbit hole of obsession I've ever gone down）。”当 Tyrrell 问起 Rogan 第一次猎杀的经历时，Rogan 指着棚里的标本回忆，那是他与 Steven Rinella 在蒙大拿州猎获的一头黑尾鹿（mule deer）。不过当时使用的是步枪，射击距离大约在 250 码。Rogan 强调，尽管步枪通过瞄准镜在远距离击中目标已经相当不易，但弓猎的难度呈指数级增加，猎手必须极度接近猎物才能完成有效击杀。 --- ### [02:35:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9330s) 步枪射击配件、制退器后坐力与射击姿态 Colum Tyrrell 提到他的表亲在打猎时会带一个笨重的三脚架来架枪，而且枪口还装了极其沉重的消音器。Rogan 澄清说，民用打猎通常配备的是抑制器（suppressor）而非完全无声的消音器，主要作用是削减部分噪音，防止震破耳膜，而且重量其实并不夸张。Rogan 随后科普了枪口制退器（muzzle brake）的原理：在枪管前端开孔使火药燃气向侧方扩散，从而大幅降低后坐力，避免猎手因畏惧强烈后冲产生畏缩（flinch）而影响精度。然而，制退器的代价是侧向爆震巨响加剧，Rogan 透露自己有两位朋友就因为站在装有制退器的步枪近旁，枪响瞬间耳膜被直接震穿，造成了永久性听力损伤。 关于步枪射击的稳定性控制，Rogan 总结了不同距离下的射击姿态要求： - **50 至 100 码（站立/徒手无依托射击，offhand）**：不少熟练射手可以直接徒手持枪，将枪背带（sling）紧紧缠绕在手臂上以提供张力，枪托顶紧胸膛，在稳定不动的前提下直接扣动扳机。 - **100 至 300 码（辅助依托）**：超过 100 码的距离必须追求绝对稳定性，通常需要使用三脚架（tripod）或射击支撑棍（shooting sticks）。 - **300 码以上（卧姿射击，prone）**：超远距离射击时，多数猎手会选择完全卧倒在地，将随身背包平放在地充当沙袋依托，整个身体平贴地面消除任何晃动，全身仅有食指在缓慢平稳地挤压扳机。 --- ### [02:38:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9497s) 狩猎与生态管理：残酷严冬与保护资金 Tyrrell 调侃猎人们总喜欢用“维护生态平衡”作为猎杀动物的借口，Rogan 则严肃纠正了对大自然残酷本质的认知误区。Rogan 直言，野生动物根本不可能长命百岁最终变成天使，它们要么被狼群残忍活撕，要么因为年老牙齿磨平无法咀嚼食物而活活饿死，要么遭遇严寒冻死。在山区，极端寒冬是造成野生动物大批死亡的头号杀手。Rogan 举例指出，就在两年前的犹他州，一场极端严冬导致当地黑尾鹿种群损失了大约 70%，漫山遍野的鹿被活活冻死。种群遭到严冬重创后，野生动物管理部门随后一年便会大幅削减发放的猎杀许可标签（tags）。 谈到人类猎手的生态职能，Rogan 阐述了科学狩猎对野生动物保护的现实意义： - **种群动态调控**：在缺乏大型食肉掠食者的区域，若无人工狩猎干预，动物会过度繁殖并引发资源枯竭、饥荒和恶性传染病。 - **专项保护资金支持**：猎人购买狩猎标签（tags）的费用直接上缴给野生动物保护部门；不仅如此，猎手购买帐篷、步枪、弓箭等户外运动器材时，消费金额中的固定比例（依据联邦保护法案）会被强制划拨至野生动物与自然保护基金中，成为维系野生自然生态最重要的财政支柱。 ### [02:40:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9604s) 皮特曼-罗伯逊法案与野生动物保护资金 Joe Rogan 提到美国野生动物保护背后的一项关键法律——1937年通过的《皮特曼-罗伯逊野生动物恢复法案》（Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Act）。该法案对运动枪支、弹药和射箭器材征收 11% 的联邦消费税，对小口径手枪（handgun）征收 10% 的税。这些税款全部专项用于野生动物保育、栖息地恢复、野生动物生物学家的科研调查以及猎人安全教育项目，甚至包括追踪狼群和鹿群迁徙路径的项圈追踪研究。Joe 强调：“It's like the number one contributor in this country to wildlife conservation is hunters.”（在这个国家，对野生动物保护贡献最大的群体其实是猎人。）许多不打猎、不吃肉的人往往认为猎人不可能爱护动物，但实际上经常身处野外的猎人通常具有极高的环保意识，严格恪守“不留痕迹”（Leave No Trace）的野外准则，反而是野外遗留塑料瓶、啤酒罐甚至用过的避孕套等垃圾最让他们感到痛心。 随后现场查阅的数据显示，这项税收每年能为野生动物保护筹集 8 亿至 12 亿美元的资金。然而，尽管最初是由户外运动爱好者推动立法的，最新数据却表明约有 73% 到 74% 的税收收入来自非打猎群体。这类人群购买枪支和弹药主要用于休闲射击、打靶、居家防御或枪械收藏。由于购买手枪和普通枪械的人数远多于实际进山打猎的人口基数，这笔消费税在无人反对的情况下成为了一项极具效益的税收机制。Joe 指出，如果缺乏这笔持续的资金注入，广袤的荒野土地就无人巡视，盗猎（poaching）就会成为泛滥成灾的严重危机。 - **法案名称**：1937年《皮特曼-罗伯逊野生动物恢复法案》（Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Act） - **税率设置**：运动步枪、弹药及射箭装备征收 11% 联邦消费税；手枪征收 10% 消费税 - **年收入规模**：每年产生约 8 亿至 12 亿美元专项保护资金 - **资金贡献构成**：约 73%~74% 资金实际来自非打猎的自卫、休闲射击和枪支收藏者 --- ### [02:43:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9788s) 美国的国家公园与犹他荒野狩猎 Colum Tyrrell 谈到美国最令人震撼的其实是其广袤的公共土地和国家公园系统。他坦言在移民美国之前对此一无所知，欧洲人脑海里的美国刻板印象往往只有快餐文化和开着车狂吃温蒂汉堡（Wendy's）的肥胖人群，直到亲自来到这里、踏进国家公园才彻底被自然风貌折服。谈及犹他州的锡安国家公园（Zion National Park）时，两人均赞不绝口。Colum 甚至开玩笑说自己准备搬去犹他州加入摩门教、娶上16个老婆，直呼“这就是我想要的美国梦”。 Joe 分享了自己在犹他州山区狩猎的亲身经历，称那里是他见过野生美洲狮的唯一地方。他每年都会与向导朋友 Colton 一同前往山区。打猎不仅是技术活，更是一项极度残酷的体力挑战：每天在荒山里徒步 8 到 10 英里，为此他必须进行针对性的专项体能训练。猎杀麋鹿（elk）之后，真正的重体力劳动才刚刚开始——即便只运送几百码，背负着约 100 磅重的一整只麋鹿后腿（hind quarter），踩在松动倾斜的土坡上直冲山顶，难度宛如炼狱。Joe 使用专门的 Exo Mountain 负重背包来固定猎物，那种历经千难万险把猎物运回营地的成就感，是任何普通健身都无法比拟的。 ```mermaid flowchart TD accTitle: 荒野狩猎与能量获取全流程 accDescr: 展示从体能准备、山地追踪到负重下山与享用食物的狩猎完整闭环流程 subgraph Preparation ["准备阶段"] A["体能针对性训练"] --> B["射箭精准度练习"] B --> C["驱车进入犹他荒原"] end subgraph Hunt ["追踪与猎杀"] C --> D["每日徒步 8-10 英里"] D --> E["锁定猎物并完成射箭"] end subgraph PackOut ["现场处理与重负荷搬运"] E --> F["现场肢解并四等分 (Quartering)"] F --> G["后腿肉负重 (约100磅/块)"] G --> H["Exo Mountain 专用背包陡坡搬运"] end subgraph Completion ["收获与感悟"] H --> I["亲自烹饪麋鹿肉排/烤肉"] I --> J["建立深层食物联结与生命敬畏"] end ``` --- ### [02:45:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=9923s) 食物联结、工厂化养殖与单一种植农业的代价 谈到吃自己打来的猎物，Joe 描述了一种与超市买肉截然不同的精神联结。他前一天刚做了一道麋鹿烤肉，在咀嚼肉块时脑海中依然能无比鲜明地浮现出当时的每一个细节：箭矢划破空气的轨迹、击中肋骨的沉闷声响、现场四等分肢解肉块的触感，以及日复一日刻苦练习射箭的汗水。Colum 附和道，人们在自家后院种点草药、摘几片欧芹点缀食物都会感到无比满足，更不用说从追踪到捕获一整只大型猎物所带来的深刻成就感。很多人错误地把打猎归类为破坏环境，却忽视了去汉堡王消费工业养殖牛肉在道德上可能更加可疑。 针对现代工业化养殖，Joe 严厉斥责将成千上万头生猪塞在封闭仓库里的做法极其野蛮：“When they do industrial farming of animals is wild. That should be illegal.”（当他们搞这种工业化动物养殖时太荒谬了，这本来应该被定为非法。）两人随后探讨了素食主义的现实局限。虽然素食听起来很有道德优越感，但要获取全部人体必需氨基酸和维生素 B12 极度困难。更关键的是，大众往往忽视了大规模单一种植农业（monocrop agriculture）所带来的杀戮——为了保护庄稼，农药杀毒喷洒、大型联合收割机的绞杀直接导致数以百万计的鸟类、啮齿动物、野兔、土拨鼠以及不计其数的昆虫惨死。除非食材来自完全的再生有机农场，否则即便只是去普通超市买点蔬菜，背后同样浸满了动物的鲜血。 ### [02:48:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=10106s) 自己种菜的纯粹与脱口秀演出的快感 两人先是聊起了园艺与自给自足的快乐。Joe Rogan 认为获取新鲜食材最好的方式就是在自家花园里种植，无论是欧芹（parsley）还是其他香草。摘下自己亲手种植的辣椒和番茄，切碎做成沙拉，淋上橄榄油和醋，那种“这东西是我亲手种出来的”成就感无与伦比。更重要的是将这份劳动成果与家人分享，Rogan 感慨道： > “Killing on stage and then feeding your family tomatoes that you grew in your yard are the two great goals in life.”（在台上炸场演出，然后用院子里亲手种的番茄喂饱家人，是人生两大终极目标。） 随后话题自然转向脱口秀带来的无上快感。Rogan 直言，大多数人一生都无法体会到让全场观众捧腹大笑、收获全场起立鼓掌的那种高潮。他经常跟朋友聊起，根本无法想象如果一辈子从来没有在台上“炸场”（killing）过哪怕一次该有多遗憾。喜剧演员能够频繁体验到这种感觉，实在是无比幸运。 ### [02:49:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=10181s) 专场之后的新段子打磨与即兴松弛感 尽管顶级演员能够享受掌声，但喜剧创作本身充满了不确定性——再优秀的演员也可能会冷场（bomb），而平庸的演员也可能偶尔炸场。特别是当一个脱口秀演员刚发布了一部全新专场（special）后，原有的段子库被清空，整个人如同“手无寸铁”般走上舞台，必须从零开始尝试全新的素材。面对完全没被验证过的段子，前几次的登台往往极其痛苦。 Colum Tyrrell 分享了自己正在经历的创作阵痛：他最近在写一个关于穴居人和妻子吵架的新段子。前半段效果极好、场场大爆，但随后剧情进入未知深水区，他自己常常不知道这场争吵该如何收场，有时能顺理成章收尾，有时则直接垮掉。Rogan 指出，创作段子是一场漫长的摸索之旅，最怕的就是被最初设想的结构给困死： > “There's a real problem with getting trapped in the original structure of it.”（写段子真正的大问题在于被它最初的框架给套牢了。） 两人深入探讨了表演的“松弛感与剧本化”矛盾： - **避免机械背诵**：Colum 提到自己最初讲段子很放松，但随着讲的次数变多，很容易退化成“背台词”，丧失了与现场观众真正交流的状态。为了打破这种僵化，他有时会故意临时换个说法，哪怕会让包袱效果稍微打点折扣，但只要观众能感觉到你真实地存在于这个房间里，现场体验反而会被升华。 - **大师的临场魅力**：他们非常推崇 Patrice O'Neal 和 Bill Burr。Patrice 即使在不同演出中讲同一个段子，每次的语气、切入角度和即兴状态都完全不同。Colum 提到了 Patrice 那个经典的段子：自己本来正惬意地看着棒球赛，女友却走过来拉开百叶窗嫌屋里暗，批评他上午11点不该吃汉堡，非要给他做干瘪的火鸡三明治，还逼着他“亲我，而且要发自内心地亲”。 ### [02:52:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=10339s) Patrice O'Neal 与《Opie and Anthony》：播客形式的真正源头 Colum 遗憾自己来到美国时 Patrice O'Neal 已经去世，没能亲眼见证过他的现场。Joe Rogan 坚信，如果 Patrice 活到现在，他绝对会成为地球上最顶级的播客主播之一： > “He'd be right up there. He'd be like me and him would be right there together. He might be number one. I might be number two.”（他绝对会站在顶峰，大概就是我和他并驾齐驱，他甚至可能是第一，我是第二。） Rogan 回忆起当年与 Patrice 一起录制广播节目《Opie and Anthony》（O&A）的经历。在 Rogan 看来，O&A 实际上是当代播客的雏形与真正诞生地： - **无结构的自由闲聊**：与传统脱口秀如《Howard Stern Show》那种按部就班的访谈模式（提问往往是预设的流程化问题）截然不同，O&A 主打的是完全不设防的自由聚会（hang）。主持人把控场权交给了喜剧演员们，Rich Vos、Jim Norton、Bill Burr、Ari Shaffir 以及 Rogan 等人齐聚一堂，抽大麻、互相挖苦、漫无目的地瞎侃。 - **节奏缓慢而深入**：Anthony Cumia 脑子里装满了庞杂的历史冷知识，总能在闲聊中抛出极具深度的话题。节目通常一录就是整整四个小时，而且每天都在播，所有人毫不着急，常常能围绕一个看似无厘头的话题深挖闲聊一个半小时。Colum 提到自己以前开卡车时，经常在 Spotify 上听网友整理的 Patrice 在 O&A 上的音频合集，那种慢条斯理、不急于抛出金句的舒展氛围，在如今争分夺秒抢注意力的播客圈里尤为罕见。 - **最新动态**：谈话最后提到，Anthony Cumia 如今与 Jim Norton 合作开启了新播客，并且他们刚刚作为嘉宾录制了最新一期的《Kill Tony》。 ### [02:56:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=10560s) 《Kill Tony》的巨大反响与在爱尔兰起哄吉米·卡尔的往事 谈到在奥斯汀喜剧俱乐部登台的经历时，科勒姆·蒂雷尔（Colum Tyrrell）提到了自己在《Kill Tony》上的出场。主办方当时直接让他上台表演了一段，无需像常规选手那样通过抽签名额（bucket）。他感慨那期节目带来的曝光度甚至超过了他以往做过的几乎任何事情，甚至多年未联系的表亲都特意发消息联系他。乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）也回忆起周一晚上的盛况，提到英国著名主持人杰里米·克拉克森（Jeremy Clarkson）当时也特意来看演出，并在后台休息室里闲逛畅聊。当天担任评委嘉宾的吉米·卡尔（Jimmy Carr）还将克拉克森引荐给了大家。 借着提到吉米·卡尔的契机，蒂雷尔分享了一段自己正式接触单口喜剧前多年前的荒唐往事。当时卡尔在爱尔兰的一家大剧院演出，演出尾声设有问答环节，台下的蒂雷尔高喊询问演出后能否合影。卡尔随即当场模仿并嘲弄了他的爱尔兰口音，戏谑他是不是拿了台偷来的相机。蒂雷尔当时头脑一热反唇相讥，当众回呛道：“你那颗肥头大耳在照片里可能都装不下。”全场观众顿时倒吸一口凉气，卡尔随即毫不留情地开启了反击模式，当着满场观众将蒂雷尔彻底碾压羞辱，甚至旁边的陌生观众都抓着蒂雷尔痛骂他真是个无可救药的蠢蛋。 - 蒂雷尔形容《Kill Tony》的传播效应极其惊人：“I had like cousins I haven't talked to in years reach out to me and things like that going, 'Hey, I saw you on Kill Tony.'” - 关于剧院里的当众互呛，蒂雷尔回忆卡尔随后的反击：“And I don't even I don't even remember what he said to me but he just unleashed all of the and people are grabbing me going strangers, 'You fucking idiot.'” --- ### [02:57:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg&t=10634s) 年少时对脱口秀的幼稚认知与新专场《Bells and Whistles》收尾 谈及这段被吉米·卡尔痛击的经历时，罗根询问蒂雷尔当时是否已经萌生了做单口喜剧的念头。蒂雷尔承认自己大约在16岁时就因为在电视上看到喜剧专场而着迷，觉得那是世界上最酷的事情。然而当时年少无知的他完全不知道行业运作的中间流程，误以为只要自己关在房间里每天写一点，积累几个星期写满一个小时的内容，就可以直接上电视录制个人专场。蒂雷尔在某个夜晚写完一个故事，第二天重读时发现毫无笑点，沮丧之下便全盘放弃。直到大约六年后他在电视上看到关于开放麦（Open Mic）的纪录介绍，才恍然大悟原来看似光鲜的电视专场背后还有一个极其漫长的磨练过程。 在播客的尾声，罗根对蒂雷尔的喜剧才华给予了极高评价，并期待当晚去现场观看他的演出。蒂雷尔借此宣传了自己已经在 YouTube 上线的新个人一小时专场《Bells and Whistles》，该专场是在纽约喜剧俱乐部（New York Comedy Club）录制完成的。罗根与蒂雷尔互致谢意，相约日后再次做客节目，在一片轻松融洽的气氛中结束了本期播客录制。 - 蒂雷尔坦言年轻时对单口喜剧起步过程一无所知：“I had no understanding of what was the in between that.” - 罗根向蒂雷尔真诚致意并送上赞赏：“Well, listen, brother, you're very funny.” ## Video description Colum Tyrrell is a comedian, streamer, and co-host of the "Cockfight" podcast with Lev Fer and Tristan Bowling. His new hour-long comedy special premieres October 28 on YouTube. He is currently on tour. https://www.youtube.com/@ColumTyrrell https://www.patreon.com/CockFightPod https://www.columtyrrell.com Try Perplexity Computer now: https://pplx.ai/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! [Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y30vB88zg)

[34:57] Joe Rogan: There’s no way to differentiate between someone who has gender dysphoria and someone who’s just a pervert who’s operating out of a loophole. [158:17] Joe Rogan: No animals live forever and become angels. What happens is they get killed by wolves and usually they get killed in a horror. [3:32] Joe Rogan: I think you should be able to do drugs and I think they should be legal and I think we should be able to sell real drugs. [81:15] Joe Rogan: We’re supposed to be in nature. We are a part of nature and we’re disconnected by nature by being in cities. [62:22] Joe Rogan: If the CIA can make Jimi Hendrix, why don't they make more of them?

[0:01] Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. [0:03] >> The Joe Rogan Experience. [0:06] >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY [0:08] NIGHT. All day. [0:12] >> What's the story? [0:12] >> Good to see you, brother. What's [0:14] happening? [0:14] >> I'm great, man. [0:15] >> Thanks for doing this, man. [0:16] >> Thanks for having me. [0:17] >> My pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you. [0:19] >> Yeah. So, I I was so nervous about my [0:22] special these last couple of weeks that [0:25] I don't even think I was really even [0:26] thinking about this at all. So, it [0:27] probably kind of worked as a nice [0:28] distraction because if I didn't have [0:30] anything else going on, this would have [0:32] just been over my head all the time. [0:33] >> Oh, yeah. I know. It [ __ ] people up the [0:35] first time they do it. After you do it a [0:37] couple times, you're like, just we're [0:39] just hanging out. [0:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [0:40] >> But in the beginning, [0:41] >> this is a mind. [0:42] >> It's a global scale for me. [0:43] >> It's me, too. I try not to think about [0:46] it. [0:47] >> Yeah. Cuz all I'm thinking now is like, [0:49] we'll say something about [ __ ] sweet [0:51] tits and then I got to get a phone call [0:54] off my mother. Did you see how those [0:57] women that they interviewed these women [0:59] and they uh asked them what was uh a [1:02] worse impact on women in society? [1:04] Whether it was Lindy Clancy or Sydney [1:06] Sweeney, what was worse for women? And [1:08] they almost like I mean I don't know [1:10] where they went. Obviously it's a biased [1:12] sampling group, but all these women were [1:14] saying Sydney Sweeney. [1:15] >> Yeah. Really? [1:16] >> Yeah. [1:17] >> They just want to cluck each they want [1:18] to just peck each other to death. [1:20] >> Exactly. That's what it is. [1:21] >> Yeah. Cuz she really made it out of the [1:22] swamp. She made it out of the swamp. [1:25] Right. [1:26] >> She's like as famous as you possibly be. [1:29] Just mostly because of her tits. Really? [1:31] >> Yeah. [1:32] >> Actually, you know what? I always [1:33] thought she was a good actor in um a [1:35] couple of the things Euphoria and stuff. [1:38] >> She's just too hot. They don't like it. [1:41] >> Yeah. But she's also [1:42] >> kind of not like crazy strikingly [1:45] beautiful. So, there's something that's [1:46] makes her even more popular, you know? [1:48] >> I think I don't think she's like a [1:50] catwalk model. She's not like a [1:52] Victoria's Secret model. Her face is a [1:53] little [1:54] >> Let's take a look at her face. [1:55] >> Honestly, I This is horrible, but I'm [1:57] not getting rude. [1:58] >> I'm not in the business. [1:59] >> I'm not getting rude. I'm going to [2:01] defend her. I think she's hot as the [2:02] sun. [2:03] >> So do I. I think she's I think she's as [2:06] attractive as the sun. She's attractive. [2:08] >> The the short thing matters with men, [2:10] but does it really matter with women? [2:12] Like whether or not you think they're [2:13] Oh, for models. [2:14] >> I was say for model, that's all [2:15] >> right. But as to whether or not she's [2:17] attractive, she's [ __ ] beautiful. [2:19] >> I would I would disagree with the [2:20] previous statements. [2:22] what you're talking about, dog. [2:23] >> I'm not saying I'm a beautiful man by [2:25] any means, but so don't get this [2:26] twisted. [2:26] >> I'm definitely not either. So, [2:29] >> so once we said that, now let's rip her [2:30] to shreds. Let's go. [2:32] >> She's pretty [ __ ] hot, dude. [2:34] >> She She really is. [2:35] >> I mean, I don't know how you could say [2:36] that's not a 10. [2:38] >> That girl right there is hot as the [2:40] [ __ ] sun. [2:41] >> You are right. [2:41] >> She's hot. [2:42] >> I changed my mind. [2:43] >> It's Ladies don't like it. They just [2:45] don't like when woman a woman has that [2:47] kind of power because they know that too [2:50] much of being a woman at least in [2:52] America at least in 2026 I'm sorry but [2:54] too much of it resides on whether or not [2:56] you are attractive to the opposite sex. [2:59] >> Yeah. [2:59] >> When women walk into a room they like to [3:01] be the most attractive person in the [3:03] room. And you [ __ ] know if you walk [3:05] in a room and that [ __ ] walks in [3:07] >> everyone's going to look at her. [3:08] >> She's Yeah. She is the [3:10] >> typical bombshell blonde big tits and [3:13] all the guys see her we all go [3:15] >> big real ones. [3:16] >> Yeah, [3:17] >> that's the thing. [3:17] >> Also must be weird for her that to be in [3:19] a world where just people are I guess so [3:21] obsessed with her looks kind of, you [3:23] know. [3:24] >> Well, I mean she's putting it out there, [3:26] right? She's doing that sports ads [3:28] commercial with footballs over her tits. [3:29] >> She has her own like gambling app now [3:31] and stuff like that. [3:32] >> Well, I think she's probably working [3:34] with one. Boy, if there's anything [3:36] that's like the most controversial thing [3:39] in I one of the most controversial [3:41] things today is gambling ads and whether [3:42] or not gambling should be legal. People, [3:44] some people are like fully against [3:46] gambling being legal. And I'm like, boy, [3:49] I don't understand that. [3:50] >> The I grew up with gam gambling's legal [3:54] in Ireland. It always was. But that we [3:56] had a like a a bookies which was like [3:58] attached to the pub nearly everywhere [4:00] you go. So you'd have to physically go [4:01] in there and ride out a slip and you [4:03] could bet on the horses and stuff like [4:04] that. Yeah. [4:05] >> And it seemed to be relatively managed [4:07] well. But I think first of all, the [4:09] phones are a disaster [4:11] >> and then you add gambling to the phones. [4:14] >> I've heard a lot of stories of people [4:16] like throwing [ __ ] away just because the [4:18] phones are addictive no matter what. And [4:20] then they pl you be putting a bet on [4:22] basketball and it'll go bling. You just [4:24] won a free uh blackjack. Why don't you [4:26] play blackjack? And then you'll be there [4:27] for an hour and you've lost $500, [4:29] >> right? Or don't do that. [4:31] >> That's the thing. It's like, shouldn't [4:33] you be able to have a balanced life and [4:35] also bet 500 bucks on a game that you [4:37] care about? [4:38] >> Yes. [4:39] >> If you're a regular person with a [4:40] regular job and you're not insane and [4:42] you go, "Oh [ __ ] the Knicks are playing [4:44] tonight. I think they're going to [4:45] [ __ ] take it. Let's go." And you [4:47] throw a $500 bet on it and it makes it [4:49] exciting for you. You got something [4:51] riding on it. COME ON. [ __ ] YEAH. PEOPLE [4:54] like that. I don't know why we're [4:56] supposed to take that away because some [4:58] people can't control it. And you look, [5:00] I've said this many times. I've talked [5:02] about this a ton. I I from the time I [5:04] was 23 till I was like 25. [5:07] >> I lived in a pool hall. [5:08] >> Yeah. [5:09] >> Like I lived playing pool and hanging [5:12] out with gamblers. I I know gambling [5:14] addicts. [5:15] >> Yeah. I I know like legitimate gambling [5:17] addicts that they gamble. They'll gamble [5:20] on raindrops coming down a window. [5:22] >> Yeah. Well, now you can. Poly market [5:24] will pull it out. And I understand why [5:26] some people would have a problem with [5:27] it, but don't do it if you have a [5:30] problem with it. That's what I don't [5:31] understand. Like, and what we're [5:34] micromanaging every single aspects of [5:36] society and turning it into a nanny [5:37] state. I feel like you should be able to [5:39] drink. I mean, look, I think you should [5:41] be able to do drugs and I think they [5:43] should be legal and I think we should be [5:45] able to sell real drugs. [5:47] >> So, you shouldn't have to worry about [5:48] getting fentinyl overdoses. [5:49] >> You get coke at 7-Eleven. [5:51] >> Not at 7-Eleven. Maybe at the liquor [5:52] store. [5:53] >> Yeah. But then now, but now that's the [5:54] same argument where I go, "Well, why [5:55] can't I? Cuz I can control my coke. I [5:57] should be allowed to buy it at [5:58] 7-Eleven." [5:59] >> Yeah. Okay. Well, you can get booze at [6:01] 7-Eleven. So, fair point. You I mean, [6:03] what is the Can you get like hard [6:05] liquor? [6:06] >> You can get Coke outside of 7-Eleven. [6:08] >> Every single 7-Eleven. [6:10] >> Also die. You can take a [ __ ] pill. [6:13] >> And part of the fun of drugs. [6:16] >> Today, today it's the part of the gamble [6:18] >> where people go, "Is that safe?" You go, [6:19] "Ah, [6:20] >> probably." [6:21] >> Could be. You let me know. She did it an [6:23] hour ago and she's right there. [6:25] >> Yeah, that's the the canary. [6:28] >> She's dancing like seems okay. [6:33] >> Yeah, it's uh it's [ __ ] weird. What [6:34] were you going to say, J? [6:35] >> It depends on the state. State liquor [6:37] laws are different everywhere. Like in [6:38] California, I think you could buy them [6:40] in the grocery store and [6:41] >> you buy like Jack Daniels. [6:42] >> Yeah. [6:43] >> Wow. [6:43] >> I get Yeah. [6:44] >> Well, Jack Daniels in the grocery store [6:46] makes sense, but does it make sense in [6:47] 7-Eleven? But then there's different [6:49] like the gas some gas stations would [6:52] have like liquor stores attached to them [6:53] and [6:54] >> some wouldn't and then it just depends. [6:56] >> Yeah, it's weird because like I live in [6:57] New Jersey so I we can't buy certain [7:00] booze at uh grocery stores [7:03] >> so you have to go but like it doesn't [7:04] really make sense because you can buy [7:06] some things here, some things there. [7:08] Well, I lived in Massachusetts when I [7:09] was a kid and we would have to go to New [7:11] Hampshire for booze on Sunday [7:14] because [7:15] >> you have to go. [7:16] >> Massachusetts had booze laws. [7:18] >> They had what is it? Blue laws. Is that [7:20] what it's called? [7:21] >> There's laws on Sunday where you weren't [7:23] allowed to buy booze. That was the [7:24] Lord's day. Son of a [ __ ] Go to [7:26] church, you piece of [ __ ] [7:27] >> Bunch of boys in a car drive to New [7:29] Hampshire [7:30] >> and uh [7:30] >> crack them open on the way back. [7:32] >> They would call them package stores. So, [7:33] we would call it the Pachy. We're going [7:35] to the Pachy and guys would take meaning [7:38] >> hour and a half. What does it mean up [7:40] there? Oh, Pakistani. [7:41] >> Yeah, it's a bit of a slur for Browns. [7:44] >> No, for us it was package store. I don't [7:46] know how it became package store, but [7:47] you'd have to go to New Hampshire. [7:49] >> And you guys wouldn't just like buy a [7:51] lot on Saturday. You [7:52] >> No, we're [ __ ] [7:54] >> [ __ ] you drank it all. [7:56] >> You don't know what the [ __ ] we're doing [7:57] for sure. [7:57] >> Yeah, there was some guy was 21. He was [7:59] driving, [8:03] >> but yeah, you'd have to go between the [8:04] legs [8:04] >> and there was no gambling. You would [8:06] have to go to back then you'd have to go [8:08] to Vegas to gamble or you'd have to find [8:10] a bookie, an actual bookie, [8:12] >> you know, an illegal bookie that was [8:14] connected to the mob. [8:16] >> Yeah, [8:16] >> that was the only way because you [8:19] >> But then you had to you really had to [8:20] work for your gambling. That's what you [8:23] And then I think you would probably [8:24] think about your bets a little. [8:26] >> Would you? I doubt it. [8:27] >> I don't know. [8:28] >> I doubt it. [8:28] >> I've not I've not met a mob boss and [8:31] made a bet yet. [8:32] >> I feel like people that are off the [8:33] rails are just going to be off the [8:35] rails. [8:35] >> Yeah. I feel like we what we really need [8:38] is to teach people when they're very [8:40] young how to control impulses and the [8:42] value of discipline and that you can [8:45] control your behavior and you can [8:47] control your urges in in terms of like [8:49] gambling, alcohol, like there are people [8:52] that are absolutely genetically addicted [8:54] to alcohol and genetically addicted to [8:55] other things. I'm not but them aside [8:58] with a lot of people it's a self-control [9:00] issue. It's whether or not you choose to [9:02] do a positive thing or choose to do a [9:04] negative thing. [9:05] >> And the thing is about gambling is I [9:07] don't think it's always a negative [9:09] thing. And I think for some people it is [9:11] fun and they like it. [9:13] >> Yeah. [9:13] >> It makes it a little extra exciting and [9:15] they're not ruining their life. So [9:16] should they not be able to do it? For [9:19] people who do ruin their life? [9:20] >> Yeah. I don't know. I always would place [9:22] bets on like the Super Bowl, big games [9:24] like that. Add a little something. I do [9:26] the boxes at the bars, you know? [9:28] >> Right. Add a little something. I like [9:29] it. [9:29] >> Yeah. But now it's kind of seems like [9:31] it's it a lot of just college kids are [9:34] kind of just [ __ ] they're growing up [9:35] where that's normalized to have like a [9:37] certain amount of your money lost to [9:39] gambling. And I guess [9:40] >> we need to teach them not to be doing [9:43] that. [9:44] >> Do we? [9:45] >> Um [9:45] >> uh what remains today? The main [9:47] surviving Texas blue wall restrictions [9:49] concern alcohol sales and motor vehicle [9:51] sales. Liquor stores close on Sundays [9:53] and car dealers cannot sell vehicles in [9:55] both Saturday and Sunday of the same [9:57] weekend. What? [9:58] >> Why? That's why I brought it up. Why? [10:00] >> Saturday and Sunday rule [10:02] >> of the same weekend. [10:04] >> So, those are the only ones that last. [10:06] There was a I was got into this because [10:07] there was a long list of 42 very [10:09] specific items that weren't allowed to [10:11] be sold and it was repealed in like the [10:14] 60s or 80s or something. [10:16] >> This is for Texas. [10:17] >> This was for Texas. I don't know about [10:18] for every other state. It's just it's [10:20] also a very strange list of stuff. [10:24] >> So, what are the categories removed? [10:26] These are things that you couldn't sell. [10:27] Yeah, you [10:28] >> you couldn't sell electronics on Sunday. [10:30] >> It was repealed in 1985. [10:33] >> How weird is that? Electronics. That's [10:35] the devil's work. [10:36] >> Clothing, furniture, kitchen utensils, [10:38] >> footwear. Can't buy shoes on Sunday. [10:40] >> So, you couldn't go shopping basically. [10:43] >> You couldn't buy I mean, you [10:44] >> are These are old Texas laws. [10:46] >> Jesus law, son. Jesus wants you to not [10:49] sell guitars on a Sunday. There was [10:52] medical Put that back up that list. It's [10:54] crazy. musical instruments, recordings, [10:57] and toys. If your kid wants a [ __ ] [10:59] toy, you can't make your kid happy on a [11:01] Sunday, they should be happy with Jesus. [11:04] >> I've never really heard any of this. [11:06] >> Certain tools and lawnmowers. What if [11:08] your [ __ ] lawn mower breaks on Sunday [11:11] and you got that's your day to mow the [11:12] lawn? [11:13] >> This says the same thing about they [11:14] can't sell them on consecutive Saturdays [11:16] and Sundays. They have to pick a day, [11:17] which is we're talking that's so [11:19] strange. [11:21] >> What does that mean? How this got [11:23] developed has got to be a weird story. [11:25] I'm sure there has to be a reason. It's [11:27] probably not a good one. But [11:28] >> the weird thing is like if you couldn't [11:29] buy liquor on Sunday, could you go to a [11:31] restaurant and order a drink? [11:32] >> Here you can order I think only beer and [11:35] wine, you can't order liquor. Or it's [11:37] like after before 10 or before 11 or [11:39] something like that. [11:39] >> You mean right now today? Wait, wait, [11:41] wait, wait, wait. So if you go to a [11:42] restaurant on a Sunday and you try to [11:45] order an oldfashioned rule, [11:47] >> they won't let you. That seems wrong. [11:49] That doesn't [11:49] >> You cannot buy liquor from package [11:51] stores on Sundays in Texas. But you can [11:53] buy we uh beer and wine at grocery and [11:55] convenience stores starting at 10:00 [11:56] a.m. [11:57] >> Uh what about restaurants? [11:58] >> Restaurant can serve alcoholic beverages [12:00] starting at 10 a.m. on Sunday if the [12:01] alcohol is sold along with the service [12:03] of food. [12:04] >> Oh, [12:05] >> you got to buy food, too. So [12:06] >> So you can't just be a bar selling [12:08] liquor. [12:08] >> You got [12:09] >> which is also I guess I've been to No, [12:11] that's not right. I've been to a bar [12:12] where they're watch playing football and [12:13] they're selling [12:14] >> Well, what about our bar? [12:15] >> They probably have like a one chicken [12:16] wing minimum kind of just loophole. [12:19] >> They do have a food truck on premises. [12:21] What about our bar? What about Mitsy's? [12:23] >> We're not open that early, [12:24] >> right? Oh, it is Sunday, I guess. [12:26] >> But it's Sunday. We're open on Sunday. [12:28] Are we breaking the law? Breaking the [12:30] law. [12:32] >> Are we breaking the law? [12:33] >> From 10:00 a.m. to noon. [12:34] >> Oh, just against this. I'm [12:36] >> That's when you're supposed to be in [12:37] church. [12:38] >> So, if you have breakfast or so, if you [12:40] want some mimosas, you have to order. [12:42] >> Yeah, it's 10:00 a.m. to noon. No food [12:44] required. Afternoon. Okay. So, [12:45] >> Oh, so people sitting around waiting. [12:47] >> Yeah. stared at their clock. It's [12:50] [ __ ] stupid law. [12:52] >> That's the dumbest [ __ ] law ever. [12:53] >> I used I when growing up in Ireland, I [12:55] used to know lads like that would go [12:56] down to the liquor store and they'd be [12:57] waiting like it was there to release [12:59] [ __ ] tickets to like a concert. There [13:02] would be a line of people 8 like 9:00 [13:04] a.m. on a Sunday just sitting around [13:05] waiting for the liquor stores to [13:06] >> Wow. They got up early. [13:08] >> Well, no, no, they did not get up. They [13:10] stayed up all night. [13:12] Yeah, they went to the gym first and [13:14] then [ __ ] went for a No, they stay up [13:16] all night and then [13:17] >> they'd go straight to the liquor store [13:19] waiting. [13:19] >> Jesus Christ. [13:20] >> Or you had the early houses. They have [13:21] them in New York sometimes, too. The [13:23] early houses. [13:23] >> What's an early house? [13:24] >> An early house has a special license [13:26] where it can open at like 6:00, 7:00 in [13:28] the morning because it's it usually in a [13:30] port. So, the old fisherman apparently [13:32] would get in off their shift and so [13:35] there used to be all these laws, you [13:36] know, can't serve booze till 10:00. And [13:37] they were like, "Well, we finish work at [13:40] 6:00 a.m., so why can't I drink?" So [13:41] they would let individual spots and they [13:44] have a few of them in New York still. [13:46] >> So when we would bartend, we would drink [13:49] in the bar till 6, 7. Then we get a taxi [13:52] over to the early house and there'll be [13:53] guys getting off work and we're all [13:54] [ __ ] steaming from the night before. [13:56] We're we're wasted all night. [13:59] >> New York is fun. [14:01] >> So much fun. [14:01] >> There's so much stuff to do. There's [14:03] always something happening somewhere. [14:05] >> It's the Yeah, that's that's actually [14:07] why I moved here was cuz I visited New [14:09] York when I was younger. I was like 19 [14:10] and I just fell in love with the [14:12] opportunity of how much stuff there was [14:15] to do. I was like no matter I feel like [14:17] no matter who you are, you can find your [14:19] little tribe of people in New York. [14:22] >> You get a great meal at 4 in the [14:24] morning. [14:24] >> Yeah. [14:25] >> You can go to a restaurant and get a [14:26] meal at 4 in the morning. [14:27] >> A little bit of that's died down though, [14:29] the restaurants because of co, you know, [14:31] all the diners are 24 hours and then co [14:34] the spend stopped and it kind of [ __ ] [14:35] up a lot of [ __ ] [14:36] >> [ __ ] co. [14:37] >> It kind of [ __ ] up. Can I take this? [14:39] >> Yeah. How long have you been over here [14:40] for in America? [14:41] >> I've been here since 2014. [14:45] >> So, [14:45] >> did you start comedy in Ireland? [14:46] >> Yeah, I I was doing comedy for like two [14:48] years out there. [14:48] >> What's it like out there? What's the [14:50] scene? [14:50] >> It's small. Not many people out there. [14:52] So, it's like a small It's like not that [14:54] easy to make a living. [14:55] >> Is uh is there clubs or is it open mics? [14:58] >> Only really a couple of purposely built [15:01] clubs. Most rooms are just like a a room [15:04] above a bar that's been converted and [15:06] great. And the the crowds are incredible [15:08] in Ireland. They're small uh and they're [15:11] almost like doing a black room cuz if [15:13] you crush you feel like a king and if [15:15] you bomb you will regret everything that [15:18] ever led to that. The Irish will you [15:20] will bomb at the Irish and then just [15:22] quickly someone goes not funny and then [15:24] you've got 15 more minutes going [ __ ] [15:26] and he gets a big laugh and you go what [15:29] about this other thing I saw you know. [15:31] >> But if you're going well they love you. [15:32] Yeah. [15:33] >> Yeah. [15:34] >> And is there a lot of good comics over [15:36] there? [15:36] >> There's some great comics. Yeah. A lot [15:38] of them don't move out too much. They [15:40] don't really get out of there. [15:41] >> That's a problem. [15:42] >> We got a couple of great guys. Well, [15:43] there was our biggest guy ever was [15:45] probably Tommy Turnin. [15:46] >> I've heard of him. [15:47] >> Tommy was massive and he used to go all [15:49] over and then I think he got rocked for [15:51] saying he got like one of the first [15:52] canled guys back in 2006. He made a joke [15:55] about um if about Hitler didn't have [15:59] enough ambition [16:01] and that six million wasn't enough and [16:03] then but he said it like casually on [16:05] stage as a joke and then someone wrote a [16:06] huge article about it and then they kind [16:08] of [ __ ] his whole touring over here as [16:10] agents managers everyone dropped him and [16:12] then he just goes [ __ ] it I'll stay in [16:13] Dublin I'll stay in Ireland because uh I [16:16] got a fan base here my family so Tomy's [16:18] the best. [16:19] >> So does he still perform in Ireland? [16:20] >> Tom Yeah. Yeah. But I think he kind of [16:22] only sticks to that that region. But [16:24] he's Yeah, but he's a weird dude. Like [16:27] he's like a like an old witch type of a [16:29] guy like where he'll see like he'll have [16:31] a stick. He'll walk around with a stick [16:32] and he'll hit you with a poem that [16:34] doesn't make sense and then he then he [16:36] jumps back into a hedge. Like he is a [16:40] very interesting. He has a huge talk [16:42] show in Ireland right now. Massive talk [16:43] show. Yeah. Where he get [16:44] >> on television? [16:45] >> On television they get a guest in that [16:47] he doesn't know who the guest is. It's a [16:48] surprise. So then he sits down and just [16:50] like starts talking to them and tries to [16:51] he either knows them or just tries to [16:54] figure out what they're doing. Yeah. [16:55] >> Huh. What's it called? [16:56] >> Uh the Tommy Turnan show. [16:58] >> Interesting. [16:59] >> Yeah. So book me maybe. [17:01] >> Yeah, for sure. [17:02] >> I'd love to do it. [17:03] >> That sounds fun. [17:04] >> This episode is brought to you by the [17:06] Farmer's Dog. You know what's pretty [17:07] cool? The Farmer's Dog is partnering [17:10] with the United Service Organization to [17:12] support military families and their [17:14] dogs. 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[18:07] >> And he was touring all over the world [18:08] before that. [18:08] >> Yeah. He had like he was huge big huge [18:11] in Canada, big in Australia. He he was [18:13] doing the tours in America. Had a comedy [18:15] central hour at the time and then I [18:18] think it was like a postshow live [18:21] interview type of thing where someone [18:23] >> someone actually asked a question like [18:24] can you go too far as a joke and he said [18:27] no and then I think he used that as an [18:29] example and some journalist just [18:31] cherrypicked that and said anti-semitic [18:34] whatever which is funny cuz if he did it [18:36] today he'd be a [ __ ] king because the [18:38] anti-semitism is kind of in kind of cool [18:40] >> in vogue. [18:41] >> It's kind of cool. Yeah, it made a [18:43] comeback. [18:44] >> It really did. Yeah. [18:45] >> As soon as Kanye started selling out [18:46] stadiums again, everybody was like, [18:48] "Wow." [18:48] >> Yeah, [18:49] >> that dude had a diamond encrusted [18:52] swastika made. By the way, where do you [18:54] think he got the diamonds? [18:57] >> He got him from the Albanians. [19:01] >> He got you what? [19:02] >> Think he got them from the Italians. [19:03] >> There's going to be an upcharge on the [19:04] on the swastika. [19:06] >> We can make a deal. [19:07] >> Yeah, [19:08] >> but we got to work something out. Got to [19:10] go in through the back door. [19:12] Yeah. [19:12] >> [ __ ] diamond encrusted swastika and [19:14] the next thing you know the dude's [19:15] selling out stadiums again. Selling out [19:17] enormous stadiums. [19:18] >> Well, the music slaps. [19:20] >> Slaps. [19:20] >> Slaps. [19:21] >> The dude's [19:22] >> nothing but bangers. [19:23] >> Yeah. [19:23] >> For [ __ ] decades. That guy's been [19:25] making [19:26] >> It's funny when I like when I say [19:27] anti-semitism, too. I'm like kind of [19:30] tongue and cheek joking about the uh [19:32] Israel stuff. But like he was actually [19:34] doing some anti-semitic stuff, right? [19:36] Yeah, like [19:38] >> he was actually I don't know what he was [19:40] doing but he was he had a song like we [19:42] we are Hitler or something. What was the [19:44] song? [19:45] >> Yeah. H Yeah, it was Hy Hitler. [19:48] >> Yeah, that was the song. And he [19:50] apologized for that. [19:51] >> Didn't he have a song about sucking off [19:52] his cousin at one point too? [19:54] >> No, he posted about that on Instagram [19:57] that him and his cousin used to watch [19:59] porn and he sucked his cousin. [20:01] >> He had a song. He's like, "I gave my [20:02] cousin head. I gave my cousin head." It [20:05] was It was actually a banger. Yeah, it [20:07] was [20:08] >> again you It's like he goes, "What can I [20:12] I can I'm so good. I'll make a song [20:14] about sucking off my little cousin and [20:16] it'll be and it'll be great." [20:17] >> That they blew each other when they were [20:19] like 14. [20:20] >> That kind of [20:21] >> would watch porn and suck each other's [20:22] dicks. [20:23] >> That kind of happens, you know. [20:24] >> I guess it does if it happened to him. [20:26] It clearly is a real thing. It's not [20:27] like a, you know, UFO story where you're [20:30] like, you got to leave it up to [20:33] whether I believe. something fantastical [20:36] that you've never experienced before. [20:37] >> I don't have the confidence to to ever [20:39] admit that would happen, let alone write [20:41] a great song about it and release it, [20:43] you know. [20:43] >> And it's not like anybody confronted him [20:45] with that information and he had to own [20:46] up to it. No, he just posted it one day [20:48] on Twitter. [20:51] >> Awesome. [20:52] >> Yeah. I think he said he sucked his [20:53] cousin's dick for years [20:55] >> and [20:56] >> for years. No. [20:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he said it for [20:59] years. Uh, Cousins styled in all caps is [21:02] a song by American rapper Kanye West. It [21:05] was released on April 21st, 2025 as [21:07] intended second single from his [21:09] unreleased studio album Cuck. [21:14] What a name. It first released on West [21:17] Twitter account before being sent to [21:18] streaming platforms in April 2023. [21:21] hip-hop song samples uh were worth the [21:24] originals by double verirgo and [21:26] interpolates 10 perks by David Blunt and [21:30] such. Okay. [21:33] Uh he was originally reluctant to write [21:35] it but has since reflected on how it [21:37] positively impacted West. [21:39] >> It was removed from streaming platforms [21:42] November of 2020. [21:43] >> But [21:45] >> but why you can't sing about that? His [21:48] friend is uh his cousin is actually in [21:50] jail. It seems like previously spoken of [21:53] a cousin who is currently serving a life [21:55] sentence in jail for a murder he [21:56] committed at 17 years old. Uh he [21:59] mentioned him on Jimmy Kim Alive in 2018 [22:02] and the 2020 documentary Kim Kardashian [22:05] West the Justice Project. [22:08] H he added that his cousin is now [22:10] serving a sentence for killing a [22:12] pregnant woman. Oof. A few years after [22:15] Wes told him they wouldn't look at dirty [22:16] magazines together anymore, Wes believed [22:19] that he was self-centered for taking the [22:22] blame for his cousin's murder charge and [22:24] for showing him those dirty magazines [22:26] when he was six. [22:27] >> What? [22:28] >> So then this guy actually wrote the song [22:30] and Kanye performed the writing of it. [22:33] >> Oh wow. [22:33] >> Yeah. Same with the uh other song you [22:35] guys are talking about. [22:36] >> American rapper David Blunts who served [22:37] as the main songwriter for Cuck. Just [22:40] like just having that in your Wikipedia. [22:42] What' you do? Well, I was the main [22:43] songwriter for Cuck. Oh, excellent. [22:45] Amazing. How was that collaboration? Uh, [22:48] while Wes was playing The Last of Us on [22:50] his PlayStation 5, uh, West originally [22:53] declined Blunt's offer to turn into a [22:55] song, but later changed his mind. Though [22:58] Blunts had become reluctant to write it, [23:00] attempting to procrastinate by sending [23:02] Wes different songs for the album, he [23:04] eventually decided to record it as a [23:05] demo in his living room due to Wes [23:07] persistence. He persisted. He's like, [23:09] "Write it. Write about me sucking my [23:10] cousin's dick. [23:14] writing it over a beat he downloaded [23:16] from YouTube due to his main producers [23:18] being asleep. That's hilarious. [23:21] The [ __ ] guy's working like 24 hours [23:22] a day. [23:24] >> Blunts took around 20 minutes to finish [23:25] the song. He later reflected on Cousins [23:27] as being very freeing for West when he [23:29] made it, believing that West chose him [23:31] to write it due to his blunt in quotes [23:34] uh no pun intended approach to [23:36] songwriting that lacks double entandras. [23:39] Uh, according to producer Chucky Beats, [23:41] he was unaware that West used Blunt's [23:43] song 10 Perks, which he co-wrote and [23:46] produced until YouTube commenter told [23:47] him about the expost. So, what was the [23:49] expost? What did he say? [23:55] >> So, there was a there was a post [23:58] >> what post you're saying? Yeah. [23:59] >> Yeah. Where he just came out. And so, [24:01] >> it does make sense that he writing that [24:04] song helps him [24:05] >> deal with it. They say that with like [24:07] any PTSD where it's like if you can [24:08] journal about the whatever the things [24:10] are. [24:12] >> Oh, here it is. It says the song is [24:15] called Cousins about my cousin that's [24:16] locked in jail for killing a pregnant [24:18] lady a few years ago. I told him we [24:19] after I told him we wouldn't look at [24:21] dirty magazines together anymore. [24:23] Perhaps in my self-centered mess, I felt [24:25] it was my fault that I showed him those [24:27] dirty magazines in New Six and then we [24:30] acted out what we saw. My dad had [24:32] Playboy magazines, but the magazines I [24:34] found on top of my mom's closet were [24:36] different. My ma name is Ye, and I [24:39] sucked my cousin's dick until I was 14. [24:44] >> Yay. [24:44] >> Yay. Sorry. [24:46] >> Tweet sent. [24:48] >> Okay, [24:49] >> awesome. [24:50] >> Good for him. [24:52] >> Jesus. [24:52] >> Six to 14. [24:54] >> That's a long time. A lot of dick [24:56] sucking. [24:56] >> That's a long time to be sucking [ __ ] [24:57] Yeah. boy. And then one day he's like, [25:00] "Enough." And then he blames that on his [25:02] cousin shooting a [25:03] >> wave blunts. [25:07] >> He's the guy who wrote it. [25:08] >> Yeah. [25:08] >> Wow. Okay. [25:11] >> Big, huh? [25:12] >> He's a big fella. [25:13] >> I can see why he procrastinates. [25:16] >> Yeah. [25:16] >> Hard to have energy when you're that [25:17] big. [25:18] >> Yeah. [25:18] >> Hard to, you know, be motivated to write [25:21] a write a good song. [25:22] >> Mhm. [25:24] >> That's a crazy story, man. [25:26] >> Yeah. But I mean all brilliant people [25:28] like that like that are that good are [25:30] going to be insane. [25:32] >> Yeah. [25:33] Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. [25:35] >> Yeah. A bunch of different ways, but [25:37] they're all insane in some way. [25:40] >> Didn't he say he can like see like [25:42] colors with sound? He said that he has [25:45] that thing that when he hears sound, he [25:48] like visualizes it. [25:49] >> Did he say that? That makes sense. [25:51] >> Yeah. [25:52] >> I mean, clearly as a gift. He's [25:54] definitely one of the most talented [25:56] >> ever. [25:57] >> Yeah. [25:57] >> Yeah. I mean, [25:59] >> and uh when you talk to him, it's like [26:01] his words are like barely contained [26:04] inside of his mouth. Synesthesia. He has [26:07] uh a neurological condition where [26:09] auditory input such as music or sound [26:12] triggers involuntary visual experiences [26:14] like seeing color, shapes, or patterns. [26:16] >> Makes sense. [26:17] >> So, when he hears songs, it's like doing [26:19] mushrooms or something. [26:19] >> Like when you're talking to him, it's [26:20] almost like these words are like pouring [26:22] out of his mouth. like it's like behind [26:24] his brain like like they're just coming [26:26] out. [26:27] >> No filter. [26:27] >> I mean, I think that's how he writes, [26:29] too. I think it's just like there's a [26:31] creative storm inside of his brain [26:33] that's just flying out of him all the [26:35] time. [26:35] >> Yeah. Well, it goes to show for what he [26:38] did and how for like his what he was [26:41] saying and everything and how much [26:42] people were like trying to cancel him, I [26:45] guess. And now he's back to selling out [26:46] a huge [ __ ] stadium. [26:48] >> I know. It's it's nuts. I think I mean [26:52] at some point in time they must have [26:53] just given up on trying to cancel him. [26:55] But the crazy thing is like Adidas [26:58] backed away from their sponsorship and [27:00] it cost them billions of dollars. [27:02] >> Billions because he was basically saying [27:04] the Jews control everything [27:06] >> and they didn't like that so they fired [27:08] him. [27:08] >> So they they killed his bank accounts. [27:10] They basically controlled everything. [27:12] >> Wait to prove him wrong. I guess [27:14] >> I know. It's so funny that they did [27:15] that. They didn't just ignore him. But [27:19] it's a we it's a weird time for uh [27:21] anti-Jewish thinking and rhetoric. [27:24] >> Yeah. Well, it all just boils over from [27:25] the Israel thing. And then and then [27:27] while we're here, we're kind of like, [27:29] "By the way, you're a little annoying." [27:30] Also, by the way, just so you know, [27:31] while while we're while I'm breaking it [27:34] to you, you guys are a little [ __ ] [27:37] irritating. [27:38] >> Well, they're very into being Jewish. [27:41] And if you're not Jewish, [27:43] >> Yeah. [27:44] >> Yeah. [27:44] >> They love being a Jew. [27:46] >> Must be fun. [27:47] >> They stop me. A lot of time in New York [27:48] they'll ask me if I'm Jewish a lot cuz [27:51] you know like there's like a special [27:53] week where they like hand out [ __ ] [27:55] Jew Bibles or whatever they have, you [27:57] know, [27:57] >> Jewels. [27:58] >> I don't know. I honestly Yeah, the [28:00] Torah. And then they'll stop me. These [28:01] guys with the curls and everything. [28:02] They'll stop me and be like, "Are you [28:03] Jewish?" And I go, "No." They go, "Oh, [28:05] okay." [28:05] >> But they they're upset at you. [28:07] >> No, they're not upset. No, but they they [28:09] think I'm a Jew. I must have some sort [28:12] of uh [28:13] >> something going on. [28:14] >> What do you think that is? [28:15] >> I don't know. You could be Well, that's [28:17] the thing about being Jewish. It's not [28:19] like being Somalian, you know, where you [28:21] can go, "That guy looks Somalian." [28:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. [28:24] >> You know what I mean? Like Jewish could [28:25] be red hair. [28:26] >> Exactly. [28:27] >> Yeah. [28:27] >> I think that's where the sneaky the [28:29] sneaky Jew comes from. [28:31] >> I do think that's where the [28:33] >> the the theory of the sneaky Jew is [28:35] because [28:36] >> you can't spot him. [28:37] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can spot [28:38] some of them. Like Ari Shapi, you [28:40] [ __ ] Yeah. You Everything about Ari [28:43] is Jewish. [28:43] >> Yeah. You spot that [ __ ] a mile away [28:45] with Ari. Ari's like too Jewish where he [28:46] needs to like dilute the blood a little [28:49] >> get an operation. [28:52] >> You've already had where do you start? [28:53] >> The nose [28:54] >> 100%. [28:55] >> But then you're going to have to widen [28:57] the face. [28:57] >> Sure. [28:58] >> It's like you like the thing about [29:00] faces. That's like one of those things [29:02] you notice if you see someone they got a [29:04] nose job like something looks wrong. [29:06] >> Yeah. [29:06] >> Like why is your nose normal size and [29:08] the rest of your face is strange? [29:11] >> Sure. [29:11] >> You know cuz that's the golden ratio. [29:14] Like there's like There's a symmetry to [29:16] the way your face is structured that if [29:18] you have the type of face that's [29:19] supposed to have a big nose and all of a [29:21] sudden you got this little Michael [29:22] Jackson button nose [29:23] >> doesn't work. [29:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. You look weird. Like [29:26] something about your mind is like the [29:28] ratios are off and you're like [29:29] something's wrong here. [29:30] >> Mhm. That would be my biggest fear [29:32] probably to go under the knife trying to [29:34] be more handsome and then you come out [29:37] with like a [ __ ] like a [ __ ] up lip [29:40] or something, [29:40] >> right? You know, your face doesn't move. [29:42] So every time you you might look okay [29:44] when you're staring at the mirror, but [29:45] then as soon as you start talking, your [29:47] face looks like it's made out of rubber. [29:49] >> What's going to look what what are all [29:50] these like young 20-year-olds who are [29:52] getting Botox going to look like when [29:53] they're 40? Are they just going to have [29:54] a [ __ ] mask on? Like just [29:56] >> Well, it's the fillers. The fillers are [29:58] the real problem. Botox is not great, [30:00] but it's you're basically putting [30:02] botulism in your skin. And it can also [30:04] cause a bunch of other side effects, but [30:06] I think the real problem is those [30:08] fillers. Like some people have to get [30:10] their face removed and scrape the [30:12] fillers out. [30:14] >> What? [30:14] >> Yeah, man. [30:16] >> What do you mean they get their face [30:17] removed? [30:17] >> Yeah, they literally have to like [30:18] [ __ ] open your face up and remove the [30:21] fillers. Like some ladies went a little [30:23] too far. Terminator. I don't know the [30:26] procedure, but I know that they have to [30:28] get something in your skin underneath [30:31] there and suck it all out. [30:32] >> Yeah. [30:34] >> Depending on the fillers. [30:35] >> Some of them look good though [30:36] >> with the fillers. Well, just with the [30:38] work [30:38] >> beast on look. [30:40] >> No, I'm talking like what's what's the [30:41] oldest Kardashian? The the queen the [30:43] queen of the Kardashians. Not the kids. [30:45] The the older lady. [30:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. What is her name? [30:48] >> Chris. Yeah. [30:49] >> Cuz I don't know who she's working with, [30:51] but she must have she must have wizards. [30:53] She has squad. Yeah, she has a squad. [30:56] Tommy [30:57] >> has a little prayer for him. Prayer for [30:59] her. [30:59] >> Cast a spell. [31:00] >> Yeah. [31:00] >> He uses warlock magic to [31:03] >> They That's like a big project for these [31:04] guys. They probably have [31:06] >> That's not a simple fix. She's like 109 [31:08] and she looks 18. [31:10] >> Those are artists, by the way. That's a [31:12] filter. [31:12] >> That's fine. [31:13] >> That's not what she really looks like. [31:14] There's no way they did that to her [31:16] neck. But like when you see her in real [31:18] life on her television show, she does [31:20] look very good for her age. [31:21] >> Yeah. [31:22] >> But she doesn't look like that. [31:24] >> And then Caitlyn did the opposite. [31:26] Caitlyn could not look worse. [31:27] >> Yeah. [31:28] >> Caitlyn's like giving up like sad [31:30] actually. [31:30] >> Yeah. Like he like she'll walk in with a [31:33] big handbag [ __ ] and the hair the [31:35] hair is all naughty and it's like [31:36] spooky. [31:37] >> Yeah, it's weird. [31:38] >> It's spooky. [31:39] >> Well, I think once you've given up on [31:41] sex and then you've kind of it's also [31:43] it's like [31:45] did Caitlyn Jenner have the excuse me [31:48] bottom surgery. [31:51] >> Has that been confirmed? [31:52] >> I don't think so. [31:53] >> I think she did. [31:54] >> She walks like she has a [ __ ] [31:56] >> Well, she used to. [31:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. I guess you don't adjust [31:59] that. keep the same strut. [32:01] >> That must be hard to adjust to not [32:02] having a [ __ ] [32:03] >> Yeah. A long time ago. [32:04] >> Like you ever get a tooth taken out? [32:05] >> Long time ago had the surgery. [32:07] >> Yeah. According to me. [32:09] >> But do you ever get like a tooth taken [32:11] out or something and it's like it's like [32:12] weird to adjust to it for a while. Not [32:14] having a penis must be [ __ ] [32:16] >> might take a while. [32:18] >> But now you have a tube. You have a hole [32:20] that you have to keep dilated with a [32:21] rubber. [32:22] >> Comes with instructions on how to clean [32:23] it properly and [ __ ] [32:25] >> Do you ever clean a pocket [ __ ] It's [32:26] the most disgusting thing I've ever done [32:27] in my life. We used to have a [32:29] sponsorship with a flashlight. [32:30] >> Yeah. And but that's the problem is it's [32:32] all fun and games until you got to wash [32:33] it and [32:35] and then you you're just like this [32:37] rubber sleeve under the sink and [32:39] >> [ __ ] dead squid. [32:42] >> Yeah. I got one at home too. It's got it [32:44] was a it was a gift on a on a podcast. [32:46] Some chick some porn star was like I [32:49] guess she like [32:50] >> oh had it molded from her own [32:51] >> dipped her [ __ ] in in clay or whatever [32:53] the [ __ ] Yeah. And then she was handing [32:55] out Yeah. [32:56] >> Nice. Mine was sented. [32:58] >> Yeah. I watched an episode of the [32:59] Kardashians where they were all sitting [33:00] around the living room and and Caitlyn [33:03] came over and it was just just like what [33:07] what do you know? It's one thing to be [33:11] an old person is okay. Like you know, [33:12] you get old. We're all going to get old. [33:13] We're all going to look [ __ ] [33:15] >> when we get old. [33:16] >> But that's different. [33:18] >> You have like crazy long hair and fake [33:20] boobs and you look insane. You look like [33:22] an old man with fake boobs. [33:23] >> Yeah. I just think if I was to become a [33:25] lady, I think I'd be a real [ __ ] fem [33:28] [ __ ] [33:28] >> I think I'd be a bad [ __ ] Or at least [33:30] I'd be doing my best to be. I don't [33:32] think I would. [33:32] >> What you do? [33:33] >> I think I would [ __ ] go out with the [33:35] girls shopping, [33:36] >> right? [33:37] >> Really get them to compliment me. Make [33:38] me feel good. [33:39] >> Yeah. [33:40] >> Yeah. I think I'd have a nice haircut. I [33:42] would I'd shave probably. That could be [33:44] a good start, [33:45] >> right? Maybe just get laser [ __ ] all [33:47] over your face. [33:48] >> I'd get laser [ __ ] everywhere. [33:49] >> Doesn't grow back. [33:50] >> Lasered. Yeah. [33:51] >> Yeah. You don't want to worry about [33:53] stubble. Like, [33:54] >> no. [33:55] >> You know. [33:56] >> Yeah. [33:56] >> Why you eating [ __ ] [33:58] >> Pretending to be a lesbian. [34:03] >> That's the thing about the weird the [34:05] weird ones are the ones that they do it [34:07] and then they're still straight. [34:09] >> Yeah. [34:09] >> That's called autogyophilia. [34:11] >> Autogyophilia. [34:13] >> Yeah. They get aroused by the idea of [34:15] pretending to be a woman and they get [34:17] sexually aroused and they're attracted [34:18] to women, [34:19] >> right? But do they only do that in the [34:21] bedroom or is this like they have they [34:22] have to live it like that all the time? [34:24] >> Not anymore. Now that these [34:26] >> we [34:27] >> the new openness of our society allows [34:29] them to go out in public and [34:31] >> get excited and go into the women's room [34:32] with a hard [ __ ] [34:35] >> Yeah. [34:35] >> Don't blame them. [34:36] >> This is the thing about like being open [34:38] and progressive and just being like, you [34:41] know, accepting of people there. You're [34:44] accepting also of sexual deviants. Like [34:47] there are people that aren't just [34:49] transgender. They're [ __ ] perverts [34:51] and sex offenders. The old school ones. [34:54] Like when I was a kid, [34:55] >> there's old school sex offenders. It was [34:57] normal. Now they just identify as a [35:00] woman and they get a Willy Wonka golden [35:02] ticket. You could just [35:04] >> What do you mean they get they get sent [35:05] to like a female prison or whatever? [35:07] >> Well, they definitely can do that in [35:09] some places. California at last count [35:11] when I looked had 47 biological males [35:14] that were housed in women's prisons. [35:16] Yeah, [35:17] >> some of them have gotten women pregnant. [35:19] They keep their dick. There's like [35:20] there's no requirement in terms of as [35:23] long as you identify. New Jersey is the [35:24] same way. As long as you identify, it's [35:27] it's like there's a selfidentification [35:29] thing. You identify as a woman, you're [35:30] allowed to go into a woman's prison. [35:32] >> Do they make you do some Do they make [35:34] you like put on like high heels or [35:36] anything and kind of [35:38] >> I don't think they get high heels. [35:39] >> There's got to be a test. [35:40] >> I don't think there is. [35:41] >> There's got to be some sort of a [35:42] feminine test. All you have to do is get [35:44] offended if they suggest that you're not [35:45] a woman. [35:46] >> Yeah, that's all you got to do. [35:49] >> They're like, I'm a [ __ ] woman. Okay. [35:51] >> Female tests where you go like, "Oh, [35:53] it's, you know, it's it's my dad's [35:55] birthday. I'm not going to buy him a [35:56] card." And she's like, "You have to buy [35:58] him a card." You know, they really test [36:00] them, [36:01] >> you know. Should I call my father today? [36:03] You know, and he like, "No." You go. [36:05] Very man manly response right there. [36:08] >> Very manly response. [36:09] >> Yeah. It's uh I mean, look, I wouldn't [36:11] want to be the type of person who feels [36:14] like you're trapped in the wrong body. [36:16] It's got to be horrible. I'm It's not I [36:18] don't have sympathy for them, [36:19] >> but my position has always been like, [36:21] "Hey, but whatever happened to [36:22] perverts?" Do [36:23] >> you know, you've just given perverts a [36:25] license to be around women by just [36:28] saying that they're a woman? [36:30] >> Sure. [36:30] >> You, you know, there's no way of dis [36:33] there's no distinction. There's no way [36:36] there's no way to to differentiate [36:38] between someone who has gender dysphoria [36:40] and someone who's just a pervert who's [36:42] operating out of a loophole. [36:44] >> Yeah. I But you could probably argue [36:46] that's the same with everywhere in life, [36:47] right? In terms of like [36:49] >> That's a big one though. [36:50] >> Yeah, [36:50] >> that's a big one. [36:51] >> But people are scamming any everywhere. [36:53] There's con artists everywhere, you [36:55] know? I I I could be from [ __ ] I [36:57] could be from America and pretending to [36:59] be Irish cuz I thought this would be [37:00] like a way to [ __ ] swindle people. If [37:03] you were, you would really be like [37:04] wasting your talent at voices, [37:07] >> you know? [37:08] >> Well, my my accent's barely Irish [37:09] anymore. My accent everyone I know for a [37:12] fact everyone in Ireland is going to be [37:13] watching this going [ __ ] stupid [37:14] American accent. What's he doing? [37:16] >> That's crazy [37:16] >> cuz it's soft as [ __ ] and it's real soft [37:18] cuz all my friends are Irish. My wife's [37:20] Irish. Sorry, all my friends are [37:21] American. My wife's American. I just [37:23] sort of talk around them and I podcast [37:25] so much that you hear the the [37:27] >> Yeah, but you've got the the d there's a [37:30] >> Yeah, there's a stupid There's a way [37:32] that Irish people talk that [37:34] differentiates them from other people [37:36] with [37:36] >> Yeah. And then when I go home, I I I I [37:38] suck it in. Everyone I'm listening to, I [37:40] get it back. It's thick as [ __ ] And [37:42] then I come back here and no one [37:43] understands me for a week and then it [37:44] just sort of disappears. It floats away. [37:46] >> See, to me, you sound very Irish. [37:48] >> Yeah. [37:48] >> Yeah. [37:49] >> But to them, I sound like a prick. [37:50] >> Really? [37:51] >> Really? Yeah. Like you've softened up. [37:52] >> Softened up a lot. [37:54] >> There's old clips of me on YouTube and [37:55] stuff where my accent's thick as [ __ ] [37:57] Conor McGregor style [ __ ] what's the [37:59] story? How's everybody doing? [38:00] >> Wow. [38:01] >> And now now I'm like going to put the [38:04] trash put the trash out or whatever. [38:06] >> But even when you're saying put the [38:07] trash. [38:08] >> Yeah. I guess there's little things in [38:09] there. [38:10] >> Yeah. Little right there. [38:11] >> Yeah. [38:12] >> But to them, this is very They'll notice [38:14] this. They'll notice little things and [38:16] and they'll DM me and call me a fraud [38:18] and a [ __ ] and [38:19] >> and I'll go, "I'm sorry. I just There's [38:21] not enough Irish people in my life [38:22] anymore. [38:23] >> How often do you go back? [38:25] >> Uh, I usually go back twice a year. Um, [38:28] this this year I didn't go back, but [38:31] next year I've got like four trips [38:32] booked already. I got a bunch of shows. [38:34] If anyone wants to come out and see me, [38:35] please come see me. Yeah, I'm doing [38:36] shows in Dublin and uh, Limick and Cor. [38:39] >> That's [ __ ] cool. [38:40] >> Yeah, I'm excited to go back. Yeah, I've [38:42] never been able to like I have a bigger [38:43] audience here because like most of my [38:45] career has been here and everyone like [38:47] has been through Legion of Skanks and [38:49] Ari and all these type of fans have come [38:50] to me. So I don't really have the Irish [38:53] accent. So or sorry I don't really have [38:54] the Irish audience. So I go back [38:56] >> that's ridiculous. [38:58] >> Yeah, [38:58] >> because they get online too. They must [39:00] be [39:00] >> they do. I have a few I have a few. But [39:02] if I was in Ireland doing jokes about [39:04] [ __ ] Ireland that I would be I think [39:06] I'd be much bigger. [39:08] When you go back, do you have a bunch of [39:10] Irish material [39:11] >> about Ireland? [39:12] >> Uh, not really. No, [39:13] >> no, [39:13] >> no. Well, it changes. The place changes [39:15] so much. I don't know. I have stuff [39:16] about my dad I talk about a lot. I'll [39:18] talk about my dad a lot. Like my dad, [39:20] he's very Irish dad. You know what I [39:21] mean? And uh just like he's just like [39:25] interesting guy. He used to be really [39:26] angry my whole life and then one day I [39:28] think he stopped working and now he's [39:29] the nicest guy. You know, I think [39:32] there's something about your someday [39:33] your I think your dad is a mean prick [39:36] until one day when you're like a a [39:39] grown-up and then they just go, "Ah, [39:40] you're all right then." Like they ease [39:42] ease off, you know? [39:43] >> Well, one thing that happens, you get [39:45] out of their house so they don't have to [39:46] take care of you anymore. They start [39:48] changing again. They get the [ __ ] out of [39:50] their house. [39:50] >> Yeah. You get out of their house and [39:52] you're not their responsibility anymore [39:53] and then they can relax and are around [39:55] you. [39:56] >> And then if you're doing all right with [39:57] your life, you've developed a career or [39:59] what have you. [40:00] >> Yeah. Yeah, then they're all right when [40:01] they're around you. [40:02] >> But my my friends used to call my my [40:04] dad's name is Aiden. My friends used to [40:05] have a nickname for him called Raging [40:07] Aiden cuz he was such a notorious [40:10] [ __ ] And one time we were we were [40:12] 18 or 17. We're going to a concert and [40:14] two of my friends were in the house. [40:15] We're just drinking pre-drinking and he [40:17] came home from work or whatever and he's [40:18] like, "How's it going?" And he's like [40:20] raging and he's like mad. And then he [40:22] just at one point someone made a joke [40:23] and he goes, "Get the [ __ ] OUT OF MY [40:25] HOUSE." OLLIES, "Get the [ __ ] out of my [40:26] house." And he grabbed the beers and [40:28] threw them out into the street. Goes, [40:29] "Get the [ __ ] out of And my friend Bill, [40:30] he walked off down the road and then my [40:32] dad comes out and goes, "Bill, come [40:33] here. Get back here. Get back here." He [40:34] walks all day up. He goes, "Get the [ __ ] [40:36] out of my face. [40:40] He just saw and now [40:41] >> you just hate his job." [40:42] >> I don't know. Yeah. He used to work as a [40:44] plumber. So, I think he just hated his [40:45] job. I think he's just stressed about [40:46] financial [ __ ] and everything. And now [40:48] he's like retired and he gardens and [40:50] he's a sweet little old pathetic man. [40:53] It's not He's like a He's like my my my [40:56] nieces have the best version of him [40:58] ever. [40:58] >> Wow. He's just in the garden all day [41:00] just planting and he'll send me photos [41:01] of flowers. That's like I'm like, "Who [41:03] is this guy? What happened?" Yeah. [41:05] >> Well, how many people are ruined by a [41:06] job they hate that they have to show up [41:08] every day, [41:09] >> just be living in [ __ ] and stress all [41:11] day long and then come home and realize [41:13] that all that work that you did and you [41:15] still can barely pay pay your bills. [41:16] >> Exactly. Yeah. [41:17] >> That's the problem. [41:18] >> Yeah. [41:19] >> Yeah. I mean, what's that thorough [41:21] quote? Most men live lives of quiet [41:23] desperation. [41:24] >> Wow. [41:25] >> Yeah. That's heavy [ __ ] And it's true. [41:28] Most men are out there working right [41:30] now. Not that women aren't, but you [41:32] know, that's the it's the male quote [41:34] because [41:34] >> yeah, [41:35] >> it's there's something about working [41:38] these brutal, horrible jobs where you're [41:40] still barely making enough money for [41:41] food. [41:42] >> That's crazy. And you wasted your life [41:45] and then all of a sudden you're 60, you [41:47] know, and then you're like, well, what [41:48] am I doing? [41:49] >> Yeah, it's tough in America sometimes, [41:51] too. It was like you want to go to you [41:52] go to Waffle House [41:53] >> and it's nice cuz Waffle House is gray [41:55] but the people working there [41:57] >> are like the saddest humans alive. Like [41:59] it's like they're no one wants to be a [42:01] Waffle House. They're like just old. [42:03] >> Not only that, it's you're going to see [42:05] fights five nights a week. [42:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're exhausted. [42:08] >> The odds of going to a Waffle House and [42:10] seeing a brawl are very high. [42:12] >> What is it about? It's like the [ __ ] [42:15] bat signal for [ __ ] aggressive. [42:18] >> I know. It's more so than a diner. Like [42:20] it's very rare you see a brawl at a [42:22] diner like a 24-hour diner. [42:24] >> Denny's. No one's ever fought in Denny's [42:25] in the life. [42:26] >> Most of the time. [42:26] >> Waffle House is [ __ ] Royal Rumble. [42:29] Waffle House is just viral video after [42:31] viral video. Are they organizing it? [42:33] Maybe. [42:34] >> I don't. [42:34] >> Like is that like a good thing? [42:36] >> I think it's where Waffle Houses are. [42:38] It's probably like they're in an area [42:40] that's like more [ __ ] up or something. [42:42] >> Yeah. [42:44] But I mean, when you're drunk and it's [42:46] like 2:00 in the morning and you can get [42:48] waffles, like [ __ ] yeah. With butter and [42:51] syrup [42:52] >> and and you can get everything. Eggs, [42:54] bacon, [42:54] >> chicken, fried steak, [42:55] >> anything you want. [42:56] >> Let's go. [42:57] >> And you can sit in a little boot with a [42:59] couple of friends, [42:59] >> have some coffee, talk some [ __ ] [43:01] >> and then next thing you know, some some [43:03] fat [ __ ] skips you in the line or [43:05] something, and then [43:06] >> [ __ ] Waffle House, bro. [43:08] >> But you ever see that one with the where [43:10] the the the lady who worked there, [43:12] skinny little white chick with tattoos? [43:13] [ __ ] them all up. She was this tiny [43:15] skinny girl and all these big [ __ ] [43:17] fat ladies were screaming at her. I'm [43:19] going to [ __ ] you up. And she came out. [43:20] She goes, "You want a [ __ ] girl?" Cuz [43:21] the people that work there aren't like [43:23] chumps either. [43:24] >> No, [43:24] >> they have to go through some sort of [43:26] probably [43:27] >> It's called jail. [43:30] >> They have to do a minimum of jail. They [43:32] have to have a jail experience to work [43:33] at Waffle House. Yeah. [43:34] >> Yeah. How many salon batteries you have? [43:36] Okay. Three. [43:37] >> You could be a manager. [43:40] You can go train all the other staff how [43:42] to defend themselves at 2:00 in the [43:44] morning from a fork to the neck. Yeah. [43:48] >> Yeah. And it doesn't close. That's the [43:50] other thing. Like if you're a person [43:51] looking for something to eat or do and [43:53] it's 4:00 in the morning, you don't have [43:55] a lot of options. And those people, if [43:57] you're up that late, most likely you've [43:59] made some poor choices. [44:00] >> Yeah. Well, or I don't know. [44:03] >> Or good ones. [44:03] >> Great ones. You know, I grew up in [44:06] Ireland. Fist fights all the time. Mhm. [44:08] >> So when we the nightclubs used to end at [44:11] 4:00 in the morning in Dublin City [44:14] Center and everyone stayed out till [44:17] 4:00, it was like it it was wasn't even [44:20] an option to go home before the bar [44:22] closed. If that makes sense. I've never [44:24] in my life heard of someone going, "Ah, [44:25] it's 2:00. I better go." And you go, [44:26] "No, there's two more hours of drinking. [44:28] We're here. That's that's just the way [44:30] it worked. I don't know why. We just [44:32] love it so much." [44:33] >> And we Why is that? I I think well [44:37] apparently the Vikings used to have to [44:38] drink a lot of alcohol because that [44:41] would kill the bacteria in the water. So [44:43] there's I think there's probably some [44:45] sort of a thing that was just passed [44:47] down through generations of uh I also [44:49] think it's probably a whole lot of uh [44:51] repressed [ __ ] trauma over the years [44:53] that we can only let out when we get [44:56] blackout drunk and puke. Uh that's our [44:58] therapy. You know [44:59] >> there are a lot of stories in ancient [45:02] days of people who drank nothing but [45:03] beer. [45:04] >> Yeah. They just drank beer. That's what [45:06] they're out. So, everyone was drunk all [45:08] the time. [45:09] >> Yeah. [45:09] >> Which is really crazy if you think about [45:11] >> But you get to a point where you're kind [45:12] of you're not drunk drunk, but you're [45:15] kind of buzzed, [45:16] >> right? [45:17] >> All day every day you're just a little [45:19] bit horny. [45:20] >> Just a little bit. [45:21] >> And also like that just the liver [45:23] poisoning like [45:25] >> Yeah. But you're probably dying in your [45:27] 60s back then anyway. [45:28] >> Probably killed by a sword. [45:30] >> [ __ ] honorable way to go. [45:31] >> Yeah. before you're ever getting liver [45:33] disease. [45:34] >> But they did that at the Guinness [45:35] Brewery in Dublin, too. All these guys [45:38] would the old Coopers would make the the [45:40] barrels and they'd make millions of [45:41] these per year. And they had a free [45:44] supply of Guinness to drink all day. So [45:46] these guys would go to work and they [45:48] would drink 12 points of Guinness all [45:49] day while they're [ __ ] working. And [45:51] then after work, they'd go down to the [45:53] Guinness bar, the pub, and spend that [45:55] spend the money they just earned. [45:57] >> Keep rolling. [45:57] >> And Yeah. And then actually start [45:58] drinking. The the one that they wanted [46:00] during the day was uh [46:02] >> moderation. [46:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They and and you got a [46:04] job there when you were 12 and you were [46:05] drinking six pints a day from 12. [46:07] >> Wa. [46:08] >> Everyone was drinking young. Everyone's [46:09] drinking young. [46:10] >> Wow. [46:10] >> When my dad was growing up, he he would [46:12] go to pubs when he was 12. Like so. [46:14] >> Holy [ __ ] [46:15] >> He's like 70 now. So that was back in [46:17] the day. [46:18] >> Holy [ __ ] [46:18] >> But like it's just a drinking culture. [46:20] And it's 18 now, which means the law is [46:23] 18, but we let you at 15 if you're a [46:25] chick, 16 if you're a fella. [46:28] That's of the [46:29] >> That's when people start drinking. [46:31] >> Yeah. [46:31] >> In pubs. [46:32] >> In nightclubs for sure because you'd use [46:34] your I used my older brother's ID when I [46:36] was he was four years older than me. So [46:38] he was 18. So he would have been 20 and [46:40] I was 16 using his ID. But all the girls [46:43] I grew up with would go in even younger [46:44] cuz the bouncers like see a cute 15y old [46:47] walk up. They kind of let them go in. [46:49] Then I walk in like [ __ ] covered in [46:51] pimples like a [ __ ] [ __ ] They go, [46:52] "No, you're not allowed in." And I go, [46:54] "Well, that was my girlfriend." He go, [46:55] "Not tonight." There's a some sort of a [46:58] series on uh I think it's on Netflix [47:00] about the Guinness family. Have you seen [47:02] it? [47:03] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's like [47:04] a I heard it's crazy. It's a drama. [47:05] >> It's like a Peiquey Blinders type deal. [47:07] >> It's kind of weird. Yeah. It's weird. [47:08] The accents are weird and everything. [47:09] So, it's like it's tough to watch and [47:11] they sound like I [ __ ] sound, but uh [47:13] >> it sounds shitty. Like it doesn't sound [47:14] like a good Irish accent. [47:16] >> H not not all of them. Some of them are [47:18] from Ireland, but yeah. [47:19] >> So, is it uh American actors faking it? [47:22] It's a it's it's by the way it's loosely [47:24] loosely based on the this certain [47:27] generation of the Guinness family. [47:28] >> Can we listen to some of this? [47:30] >> I don't know if there's any talking [47:34] >> and our thoughts and prayers are most of [47:36] all [47:40] >> with Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness's four [47:42] children. [47:43] >> We expected something something better [47:46] than before [47:47] >> from the creators of Pey Blinders. [47:50] >> A gift from Mr. against [47:53] a war [47:54] >> from a representative of the Dublin [47:56] poor. [47:59] >> Trouble is brewing behind are weak and [48:02] divided. [48:03] >> Now is the TIME TO USE THAT WEAKNESS. [48:09] >> You think there'll be trouble today? [48:11] >> The man's name is Guinness. [48:16] Of [48:16] >> course that'll be [ __ ] trouble. [48:19] So that accent's [48:20] >> Yeah, he's a [48:21] >> [ __ ] [48:22] >> He's faking it. [48:23] >> Yeah, but but that little guy they had [48:25] as a leprechaun, for some reason, they [48:27] literally introduced him. He goes, I [48:29] [ __ ] don't have don't I'll I'll sell [48:30] your Guinness in New York. Sure, I will. [48:32] You know, [48:34] >> you know, so in Ireland, this is [ __ ] [48:36] sh. [48:37] >> It's kind of amazing with people being [48:39] that drunk all the time that anything [48:40] ever got done. [48:42] >> Poetry, that's what you know, the [48:45] writing. We did all that. [48:47] >> We never we never did. We never figured [48:48] out like, you know, uh, you know, [48:51] finance or any of that important [ __ ] [48:53] But we we we had a good time. We have a [48:55] good time. [48:56] >> Yeah. You know, lot of singing. [48:59] >> A lot of singing, dancing, plays, [49:01] writing, talking. We talk so nonstop [49:04] about everything. [49:06] >> Everything. And conversation in Ireland [49:07] is one of the most fun thing cuz you'll [49:08] be laughing one second and then crying [49:10] the next. It's sort of just a roller [49:13] coaster of they love getting into the [49:15] nitty-gritty of like horrible things. [49:17] For some reason, Irish Irish people, we [49:19] feed on misery, you know, [49:21] >> to booze thing probably. [49:22] >> It's a depressant. [49:23] >> I Yeah. I just I don't know what it is. [49:25] I think it's just we have to fill the [49:26] dead air. So, it's like anytime I talk [49:29] to my and I didn't really notice this [49:31] until I started bringing my wife to [49:32] Ireland and she's like very heavy [49:34] subjects and I was like I never even [49:35] noticed but like we'd be having the the [49:38] dinner and then suddenly my mom would [49:39] just go oh you know your cousin uh she [49:42] was dating a guy called Jerry. Yeah. [49:43] Yeah. Yeah. He died. He's [ __ ] got [49:45] hit by a car last night, you know. And [49:48] or they'll bring up someone who lost a [49:49] baby or whatever. Just all the time it's [49:51] always like just misery and you I don't [49:53] even know this guy. What are you telling [49:54] me? [49:55] >> I don't know my cousin. What the [ __ ] [49:56] you talking about? And they love it [49:58] though. They love a little bit of [49:59] [ __ ] misery. [50:01] >> What do you think that is? [50:02] >> I don't know. I think it comes I don't [50:05] know. Probably just passed down from [50:07] like the famine or something where you [50:09] where we where we where we talked about [50:11] it. [50:12] >> Yeah. [50:12] >> You know, cuz the famine is a weird one [50:14] that kind of still [50:16] >> What was the cause of the famine? [50:18] >> The British. [50:19] >> The British did it. What did they do? [50:21] >> They took all our food. They left. They [50:24] so the when Britain was in control of [50:28] Ireland in the 1800s, but that was the [50:31] dates. Um, well, there was like two two [50:34] major famines, right? I'm probably [50:35] getting the dates wrong, but they gave [50:38] the Catholics the shittier land. They [50:41] took off they they pushed the Catholics [50:43] off the good land that could grow [50:44] carrots and cabbage and and whatever. [50:46] They pushed into the shitty land and the [50:48] only thing that could grow on the shitty [50:49] land was the potatoes. And then when the [50:51] potato plight happened, h it wiped out [50:53] the potatoes. It was the entire food [50:55] source. But we were still producing [50:57] loads of food, but that was all getting [50:58] shipped over to the crown. So the the [51:00] crowd, so it was like a forced ex uh [51:04] forced famine or forced starvation even. [51:07] >> How many people died? [51:09] >> I don't know. I don't know the number, [51:11] but it it it rocked the and the amount [51:13] of people that left too. [51:15] >> Holy [ __ ] Between 1845 and 1852 about 1 [51:20] million people died from starvation and [51:22] disease and roughly 2 million immigrated [51:25] between 1845 and 1855 [51:28] potato blight triggered the crisis but [51:30] poverty dependence on one crop and the [51:32] British government policies made its [51:34] consequences far worse. A [ __ ] [51:36] million people I think a lot of people [51:37] in Ireland years a lot of people in [51:39] Ireland would think that's a little bit [51:40] too favorable to how much the British [51:42] government actually played a role in [51:43] that [ __ ] But uh [51:45] >> but I don't know where my family was [51:46] back then, you know. I don't know. So I [51:48] don't know how many ancestors I would [51:50] have had back then. Must be like a [51:52] hundred or something like people that [51:54] I'm came from. I don't know who was [51:56] affected by it. Who was doing well, [51:58] >> right? [51:58] >> I don't know. Like [51:59] >> probably no one was doing real well. It [52:00] sounds like [52:01] >> I don't know. [52:02] >> It sounds like if there's a starvation [52:03] going on, it's probably rough times [52:05] >> if you're poor. If you're if you're [52:06] living in a nice house and you're [52:07] [ __ ] doing something. [52:09] One of the most painful facts is that [52:11] the food continued to leave Ireland [52:12] while people starved. The story is not [52:14] simply that Ireland exported food and [52:16] imported none. Grain imports also rose [52:18] sharply. The crucial distinction between [52:21] the food being available in the economy [52:23] and starving people having the money or [52:24] assistance needed to obtain it. Crop [52:26] failure alone does not explain the scale [52:28] of the deaths. So perplexity is giving [52:30] us the nuance details. M [52:32] >> it says this guy worsening [52:36] >> inactions of Lord John Russell's [52:38] government [52:39] >> worsening the disaster [52:42] >> but they say there's a there's a gene it [52:44] affected the gene there's a there's a [52:46] there's a there's a gene where certain [52:49] Irish people h can use less calories [52:52] that their body will store the calories [52:54] because they survive through those times [52:56] of no [52:57] >> right yeah I've heard of that before so [52:59] there's a longevity gene that's [53:01] associated ated with it [53:02] >> really. [53:02] >> Yeah. Like people that are the [53:04] descendants of starving people [53:06] apparently live longer and they're more [53:08] robust [53:10] >> really. But what if if you have an [53:12] infant like like you know today's world [53:14] we're so focused on making sure all our [53:15] infants and everyone has got got the [53:17] good [ __ ] You know there's entire [53:19] generations of kids who were born not [53:22] getting nutrients into their brain. So [53:23] would that have like a long-term effect [53:25] on because eventually they [53:27] >> would they be like a you know stupid for [53:30] lack of a better word and then they pass [53:32] that on like would that have affected [53:33] the national average IQ of Ireland? [53:36] >> It's a good question. [53:36] >> Is that why we like to drink and dance [53:38] so much because we're all we starved [53:39] ourselves a little dumb. [53:41] >> Well, it sounds like it's embedded in [53:42] the culture and that could be because of [53:44] that. I wonder what life was like before [53:46] the famine. This episode is brought to [53:48] you by Perplexity. You've heard me say [53:50] it all the time. Put it in perplexity. [53:53] It's what I use for research. You ask it [53:55] a question. It gives you a straight [53:57] answer and it shows you where it got the [53:59] information so you can check the sources [54:02] yourself. But sometimes you don't just [54:04] need an answer. You need something done. [54:06] So Perplexity built a new product called [54:09] Perplexity Computer. You give it a real [54:12] job and it researches, works across your [54:15] files and apps and comes back with a [54:18] finished thing, a report, a spreadsheet. [54:21] It'll even build you an app. So, [54:24] whatever you've been putting it off, [54:26] hand perplexity computer the job. Try it [54:31] at pplx.ai/jo. [54:36] >> I don't think it was great either. [54:38] >> It doesn't seem like it was. It was [54:39] great before the English showed up and [54:40] then they kind of pushed us off our land [54:42] and everything. But that's why the Irish [54:44] love Palestine so much because they just [54:46] built in our system, built in our [54:48] culture of supporting the [54:51] underdog, I guess. [54:52] >> Sure. [54:52] >> You know, um, no matter what that's [54:55] going on, I think we just will naturally [54:56] side towards the people who are getting [55:00] genocided rather than the other people. [55:02] >> Well, I mean, that's kind of across the [55:05] whole world now. [55:06] >> Now it is now. Yeah. The that's the [55:08] weird thing about Jewish people in [55:10] America. That's their There's a lot of [55:12] people that I know. Uh I love them to [55:14] death, but they have a blind spot. And [55:16] that blind spot is their Jewish identity [55:19] in Israel. And they refuse to say it's [55:21] it's a genocide. [55:23] >> They refuse to condemn it. And they they [55:25] come up with reasons why they had to [55:26] bomb those buildings and Hamas did this [55:28] and Hamas did that and October 7th this. [55:31] And [55:31] >> yeah, I'm kind of over it now, though. I [55:32] kind of wish Israel was just going to [55:34] hurry up, wipe them off so we can move [55:35] on. But I don't think it's I think it's [55:37] just it's going on a little long now, [55:39] Joe. And I don't think they're going to [55:41] change anything. So wipe him out. Wipe [55:43] out West Bank and then like why is Mmore [55:46] back in my timeline? Because of Israel. [55:49] >> Yeah. [55:50] >> So [55:50] >> well because he made that stance free [55:52] Palestine. [55:53] >> But there would have been a stance to [55:54] make if Israel just hurry up and wipe [55:55] him out cuz they're not going to stop. [55:57] They're not going to stop. It's going to [55:58] just keep going. [55:59] >> Jesus. [55:59] >> Don't you think it's like do you see a [56:01] do you see a solution? [56:02] >> Calm down, lad. Are you trying to be the [56:03] 2026 Tommy Tieran and [56:06] >> that wasn't bad actually. Oh, [ __ ] [56:08] karma. Um, sure. [56:12] >> Yeah. Uh, the weird thing is they just [56:14] had an election, right? And so Netanyahu [56:17] might be out and apparently this new guy [56:19] is more hardcore than Netanyahu. [56:21] >> Really? Oh, I thought it was going to [56:23] swing the other way. [56:24] >> Listen, I'm very [56:26] peripherilally paying attention to this. [56:28] It's like, what's going on over there? [56:29] Oh god. Like I read an article like one [56:32] paragraph in I shut the laptop. I'm like [56:33] I can't do this. [56:34] >> There's only so much you can take in. [56:35] >> I don't want to take anymore anymore. I [56:37] I feel completely overwhelmed. And the [56:39] days that I feel great are the days that [56:40] I don't absorb anything. [56:42] >> Yeah. 100%. [56:43] >> I stay offline. I stay out of the social [56:45] media and whatever people are screaming [56:47] about. Live updates. Uh the close race [56:50] sets the stage for weeks of negotiations [56:53] over the next government. Neither Prime [56:55] Minister and Minister Benjamin Netanyahu [56:57] nor his main challenger, how would you [56:59] say that name? [57:00] >> Gotti. [57:01] >> Gotti Isenot [57:03] were projected to gain a parliamentary [57:06] majority. Okay. So, they're going to [57:08] duke it out and maybe someone dies in a [57:10] bomb. [57:13] Weeks of negotiation and maybe a drone [57:15] attack. [ __ ] [57:17] >> I saw He's rough though, right? Isn't he [57:19] like uh He's pretty hardcore. [57:21] >> No idea. [57:23] They said it was a 16% turnout and it [57:25] was a record number of votes or [57:26] something. That's crazy. That's because [57:27] everyone lives in Brooklyn. All most [57:29] Israel people or something live in [57:30] America. I think they Is that [57:32] >> Well, obviously they I don't know, but I [57:35] think a lot of them live in America. A [57:36] lot of Israeli. Is that why it's only [57:38] 16%? Cuz that's even that's particularly [57:40] low. [57:40] >> That seems crazy. [57:42] >> This is by the way just a tweet that I [57:43] saw that I'm not going to take as fact. [57:44] But [57:45] >> what's a good election in America? Let's [57:47] What's our turnout? I don't think [57:49] >> 50 is good. I think I I believe 50% of [57:52] people in America vote and then it's [57:54] half and half pretty much neck and neck [57:56] even though you know this way and then [57:59] of that half like [58:01] >> so here it says less hardcore in [58:03] domestic politics and political style [58:06] but not clearly less hardline on [58:07] military force or Palestinian [58:09] statethood. Eisenkot is better [58:11] understood as a security hawk offering [58:14] an alternative to Netanyahu's leadership [58:16] and far-right allies, not a dovish, [58:19] dovish alternative to Israel security [58:21] policy [58:23] on military force. Very hawkish. Former [58:26] Israeli military chief Eisenot broadly [58:29] supported operations in Gaza, Lebanon, [58:31] and Iran associated with uh how do you [58:34] say that word? [58:36] Dya Deia doctrine uh using overwhelming [58:40] force including against civilian [58:42] infrastructure to deter enemy attacks. [58:44] His quieter manner should not be [58:46] mistaken for reluctance to use [58:48] devastating force. Oh, fun. [58:51] >> What a fun place. [58:52] >> Nice. [58:53] >> Fun. I I know people that go back over [58:56] there to visit, like Jewish folks. I'm [58:58] like, what? This seems like a risky [59:00] place to visit. [59:02] >> Seems like anything could pop off over [59:03] there. Have you ever been to a war zone? [59:05] >> No. Have you? [59:07] >> No. But I I feel like [59:09] >> you want to. [59:11] >> No, [59:14] >> I don't. But I feel like it could be [59:16] [ __ ] it could wake it would wake me [59:18] up a little. [59:19] >> I had [ __ ] Rick Springfield on you [59:22] know Jesse's Girl. You know that girl? I [59:24] wish that I had Jesse's Girl. [59:26] >> So when he was 18, [59:28] >> he went to Vietnam uh to perform for the [59:32] troops. He was in a band and uh he was [59:34] in a [ __ ] war zone. Like they got [59:36] shot at. Like he lobbed mortars and [59:39] apparently killed one of the Vietkong. [59:42] >> They they threw him a [ __ ] grenade. [59:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they they were [59:46] lobbing mortars and one of the guys told [59:48] him, "Hey, you got one." And so this is [59:51] like to this day it [ __ ] with him cuz [59:53] he's in his 70s now. And he's like, "I [59:56] [ __ ] killed a guy when I was 18." [59:58] >> I didn't sign up for that. [59:59] >> I was Well, he didn't sign up for [60:00] anything. He was over there to perform [60:02] music [60:02] >> and they just got ambushed or something [60:04] like that and then they decided you got [60:05] to fight your way out. [60:06] >> No, they just allowed him to do it. Hey, [60:08] you want to you want to drop a bomb? [60:09] >> Oh, like this is this is an easy kill. [60:11] Would you like to take the kill? [60:12] >> I something along those lines. Would you [60:14] like to participate? You know, we have [60:16] some bombs. Would you [60:17] >> like to kill this guy? But it's it's [60:18] pretty easy. He's already wounded. You [60:19] can have him if [60:20] >> Well, he's trying to kill you. So, what [60:22] do you want to do? [60:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. [60:23] >> Yeah. You want to lob a bomb? And I [60:26] guess he did. I think Vietnam is all [60:28] times one of the scariest ideas to me [60:31] ever. Being in the jungle like do you [60:32] ever just walk through the woods of the [60:34] forest anywhere and it's a little [60:36] spooky? [60:36] >> Oh yeah. [60:37] >> But being in a jungle a lot without the [60:40] Vietnamese trying to kill you just [60:42] walking through that jungle alone [60:43] between the snakes and everything, the [60:45] tigers. [60:46] >> Oh yeah. [60:46] >> You know, not only that, you don't know [60:48] that area and they've been living there [60:50] their whole lives. [60:51] >> Exactly. [60:52] >> And they dig tunnels. [60:54] >> Yeah. And some guys would have to climb [60:56] into the tunnels to kill the Vietnamese. [60:58] >> [ __ ] that. [ __ ] that. I'm not I'm going [61:02] to overeat so I can't fit in the [ __ ] [61:04] things or something. I'm finding some [61:06] reason, [61:07] >> right? Cuz some of those tunnels are [61:09] pretty small. [61:09] >> Tiny little things. Yeah. [61:10] >> Yeah. Cuz the Vietnam people were very [61:12] small people. [61:13] >> But even if I like when I go camping and [61:15] stuff like that, I'll be in the middle [61:16] of the night. You just hear it like [61:17] you'll hear a twig snap from something. [61:19] And I'm scared it's a [ __ ] whatever [61:23] mountain line or something if knowing it [61:25] was a human with a [ __ ] carrying a [61:27] knife in his mouth and [ __ ] sneaking [61:29] in to just like slit my throat. That [61:31] kind that's nothing scary than that. [61:32] >> And then these guys are just sent back [61:34] >> and we're supposed to just [ __ ] [61:36] listen to the mamas and the papas or [61:37] whatever. [61:38] >> Yeah. [61:38] >> Everyone else is dancing, smoking weed, [61:40] going, "Hey, welcome back." And these [61:42] guys are like, "Yeah, I'm fried, bro." [61:43] >> And they're doing heroin and they're [61:45] [ __ ] hanging out and everyone knows [61:47] the war is [ __ ] Yeah. [61:49] >> And you're probably going to die. [61:50] There's no reason to be over there. No, [61:52] none of it makes any sense. And now we [61:54] know that the entire premise for [61:56] entering into the war was fabricated [61:58] >> really. [61:59] >> The Gulf of Tonkan incident. [62:00] >> Yeah. I'm not familiar. [62:02] >> The Gulf of Tonkan incident is a false [62:03] flag that occurred um during the before [62:07] the war got popped off. There was [62:09] already some operations over there and [62:11] they uh claimed that the uh the Vietkong [62:16] had attacked and blown up an American [62:18] warship in the Gulf of Tonkan. It never [62:21] happened. It's all fake. [62:22] >> And uh and not only that, [62:25] >> one of the guys that was involved in [62:27] that perpetrating that was Jim Morrison [62:31] from The Doors. It was his dad. [62:33] >> Really? [62:34] >> Yeah. His dad. There's a lot of like [62:36] crazy [ __ ] involved in like the musical [62:39] movement of the 1960s. [62:42] There's a great book called uh it's not [62:43] I wouldn't say a great book. It's a [62:45] weird book. What is it? Strange Times in [62:47] the Canyon. Is that what it's called? [62:50] >> Yeah, something like that. [62:51] >> Something like that. But it's all about [62:53] how many of these people from the [62:56] counterculture movement in the 60s had [62:58] connections to military intelligence. [63:01] >> Interesting. [63:02] >> Yeah, it's very weird. [63:03] >> Weird scenes. [63:05] weird seeds inside the canyon. So like [63:06] it was almost orchestrated for [63:08] particular. [63:09] >> That's the conspiracy theory angle, [63:11] right? The conspiracy the theory angle [63:13] is this is all orchestrated by the [63:15] government and that the CIA was [63:17] manipulating people's minds trying to [63:19] get society to unravel. [63:21] >> Yeah. [63:22] >> And that they But I I I only buy so much [63:25] of it because I'm like, how do you make [63:26] a guy as talented as Jim Morrison? How [63:28] do you make the doors? If the CIA can [63:31] make Jimmyi Hendricks, why don't they [63:32] make more of them? Sure. [63:33] >> Seems pretty awesome. Like why why [63:35] wouldn't you? [63:36] >> Maybe they have. Maybe the modern day [63:38] they learned that like Lady Gaga will do [63:40] or whatever. Maybe that's like the new [63:42] thing. [63:42] >> Maybe Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga is working [63:45] for the CIA. There's probably somebody [63:47] believes that. [63:48] >> Yeah, [63:48] >> there's probably some some theory about [63:50] Lady Gaga. [63:51] >> Everyone's a plant now. That's the new [63:52] thing. Everyone's a plant. That's what [63:53] they say. Anyone who's successful, they [63:55] go plant. [63:56] >> I go in the comments sometimes and I see [63:58] all the people that they think are [63:59] plants. [64:00] >> You're you're a plant. [64:01] >> I'm That's what they think. Yeah, it's [64:03] kind of interesting that I'm not It's [64:05] interesting to me that I'm not like It's [64:07] interesting to me that no one has tried [64:09] to recruit me or pay me or hire me or [64:12] influence me to do things. They [64:14] definitely come on the show and say some [64:17] things that aren't true [64:18] >> and I'm aware of that and I feel like [64:20] all I can do is like hear their [64:22] perspective, let the world make their [64:25] own distinction. And I think people are [64:26] pretty good at it these days. [64:28] [ __ ] this guy. He's this. He's that. [64:30] He's working for this guy and working [64:31] for that guy. But [64:32] >> if you talk to enough people, they'll [64:35] assume that you've been recruited. [64:38] >> But the really fascinating thing is I [64:39] haven't. That's what's really [64:40] fascinating. The really fascinating [64:42] thing is that no one has any influence [64:44] over what goes on this show other than [64:45] me. [64:46] >> Maybe they have you and you don't even [64:48] know it. Maybe you're under their spell, [64:49] Joe. [64:50] >> Right. Like a Vurian candidate. [64:51] >> They [ __ ] they hacked your Instagram [64:53] account. Like so now you're getting [64:54] particular things into the feed. [64:56] Something like that. this like this is a [64:57] >> Would that be on would that be crazy? [64:59] >> Well, it wouldn't be crazy, but that's [65:01] not going to work cuz I barely go on [65:02] Instagram. All right, [65:03] >> that's not going to work. And the [65:04] Instagram stuff that I get to, it's [65:06] almost like ancient history [ __ ] and [65:08] >> Yeah. [65:08] >> You know, [65:09] >> that's nice. [65:09] >> Bar fights. [65:10] >> Sure. Sure. [65:11] >> A lot of assassinations. [65:12] >> Really? [65:13] >> A lot of like uh South American [65:15] assassinations. Yeah. [65:16] >> Like the presidential stuff. [65:17] >> Well, no. Uh people just getting whacked [65:19] in a diner or a pool hall. Someone comes [65:21] in and just [ __ ] blows some guy's [65:23] brains out in front of everybody. And [65:24] then how do you feel after you put your [65:26] phone down? It's [65:26] >> not great. [65:28] >> Well, that's one of the reasons why I [65:30] try to stay off of it. [65:31] >> You're you're ignoring your kids going, [65:32] "Sorry, I got to watch this uh I got to [65:34] watch this guy getting shot in the [65:35] [ __ ] head." [65:36] >> No, I I try not to do it at home. At [65:38] home, [65:38] >> you got you The only solution is just to [65:40] get it and throw it in a [ __ ] river [65:42] and we all just go back to kind of [65:43] >> Well, I've been toying with the idea of [65:46] moving away from a smartphone. [65:47] >> Have you seen the stuff with the TVs [65:49] going on? They call it a dumb phone, [65:51] right? [65:51] >> Yeah. Smart Samsung TVs might use the [65:54] mics of connected devices to listen to [65:56] you. [65:57] >> They they they're definitely listening. [65:59] >> So people always think listening, but [66:01] it's every other device around you [66:03] listening and then [66:04] >> sending it to an ad company. [66:06] >> Yeah, that's the thing is like there's [66:08] there's terms of services like that you [66:11] sign up for when you uh click accept and [66:14] you don't even read those [ __ ] [66:15] things. And some of them like the Tik [66:17] Tok one is insane. [66:19] >> Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it is insane [66:20] now, but the old Tik Tok one was Tik Tok [66:23] if you had a phone and that phone had [66:26] Tik Tok on it. Tik Tok was allowed to [66:30] have access to the other computers that [66:32] are on the network that don't have Tik [66:35] Tok on them. So, you're essentially [66:38] allowing whatever that program is, [66:41] whatever the software is [66:43] >> to access passwords, keystrokes, your [66:47] microphone, all kinds of wild [ __ ] [66:49] >> Yeah. [66:50] >> It's like some security expert looked at [66:53] it and said it is one of the worst [66:54] pieces of software I've ever read. [66:57] >> These are the new guys who bought it and [66:59] then they Is it [67:00] >> No, this is before [67:01] >> this is the old guys who was forced to [67:03] sell it [67:03] >> and now it's [67:04] >> the old Chinese guys or whatever. [67:05] >> Yeah. Now it's owned by the same people [67:07] that own CNN, CBS. [67:11] They they [67:11] >> That's good. Let them own everything. [67:13] Let [ __ ] give them everything at this [67:14] point. [67:17] >> You'll you'll change the narrative if [67:18] you just own all forms of conversation. [67:21] >> Well, it's going to be interesting to [67:22] see what they do with CNN, right? So, [67:24] all of a sudden, these uh Israel [67:26] supporters own CNN. [67:28] >> Yeah. [67:28] >> So, let's see what happens. [67:30] >> Well, it's probably just a nail in the [67:31] coffin for all this mainstream [ __ ] [67:32] right? [67:33] >> Probably, you know. [67:34] >> Yeah. [67:34] >> It's tough. It's tough to kind of People [67:36] watch people like love that like people [67:38] will sit down. [67:39] >> The olds. [67:40] >> The Yeah. The boomers. [67:42] >> Yeah. You know, [67:42] >> the olds who are tired and their knees [67:44] hurt [67:44] >> and they're a little scared because [67:46] they're old and then this guy's telling [67:48] them why they should be scared. Whatever [67:50] it is, Fox News, CNN, and it's the same [67:52] talking points. It's the same [ __ ] [67:54] >> Yep. Yep. [67:55] >> You know, and then they just in then [67:57] they'll they'll be like, "Breaking news [67:58] coming up." And then they'll push some [68:00] [ __ ] pharmaceutical [ __ ] on you, [68:02] you know. [68:02] >> Yeah. You got your two types of olds. [68:04] You got the old boomers that are [68:06] liberals that are basically like they [68:09] have dried out brains and they just they [68:11] just support narratives no matter what. [68:14] >> I don't really know any old liberals to [68:15] be honest. [68:15] >> You don't? Oh, old liberals are [68:17] fascinating because they get violently [68:19] angry when you confront them with facts. [68:22] >> Sure. [68:22] >> They get very angry. [68:24] >> Yeah. [68:25] >> Whereas old conservatives are worried [68:27] about like immigration. [68:29] >> They're worried about [68:30] >> They're in a state of fear though. [68:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're both in a state of [68:33] fear. [68:33] >> Yeah. [68:34] >> Yeah. [68:34] >> Yeah. Well, olds, a lot of the olds, [68:36] they get in a state of fear cuz they're [68:38] dying. [68:39] >> They know the end is near and they know [68:40] their health is [68:41] >> and they still think TV is truth. They [68:43] they were raised on news is truth. [68:45] >> Oh, yeah. [68:46] >> And then they still have that. [68:47] >> Yeah. [68:48] >> And they take all their boosters now. [68:49] >> This is what they have now. [68:50] >> Sky Dance is the name of the company. [68:52] >> Yeah. So, they have all the HBO's, MTV, [68:55] Nickelodeon, Paramount Plus, [68:58] >> um, [68:58] >> Nickelodeon. [68:59] >> Yeah, they Nickelodeon. What do we think [69:00] about Palestine? [69:02] >> TBS, Smithsonian, TNT, [69:03] >> TNT. Wow. Warner Brothers. [69:06] >> The top two. [69:07] >> What are What are the other ones? Adult [69:08] Swim. Wow. [69:10] >> Cartoon Network. [69:11] >> All these cartoons. It's crazy. [69:13] >> That's crazy. Country Music Channel. [69:16] Wow. [69:16] >> Food Network. Golf. [69:17] >> Cooking. They got own the golf [69:20] >> and DC Comics. [69:21] >> There's also the Golf Channel. [69:22] >> [ __ ] They own everything. That is [69:24] crazy. Eurosport. That is Discovery. [69:27] That's crazy. I'll be I'd love I'd love [69:29] to own all that to be honest. [69:31] >> What would you do? Animal plan. [69:32] >> I would sort of just I don't know. I'd [69:34] probably just like [ __ ] with people who [69:35] bullied me when I was younger or [69:37] something. Just like put out this put [69:38] out a random little news article every [69:40] now and again about some guy having a [69:42] little dick. [69:44] >> They own the free press. They own [69:45] everything. It's a It's a strange time. [69:49] But it's like the all that mainstream [69:52] stuff other than things like Paramount [69:53] Plus and streaming networks that show [69:55] shows and and you know that things that [69:58] people actually still watch, most people [70:00] are [ __ ] tuned out to that. Young [70:02] people are just like, you're not going [70:03] to get them. No, [70:04] >> they're done. [70:05] >> It's it's Yeah, it's [70:06] >> It'd be crazy to meet a a 20-year-old [70:08] who sits down and puts on a little bit [70:10] of [ __ ] CNN at night [70:12] >> and really is invested in. Wow. [70:15] >> Wow. Did you [70:15] >> I didn't know. [70:16] >> Yeah. It's like the most boring and it's [70:18] it's like embarrassing. It's like [70:21] >> things whizzing by the screen and [ __ ] [70:23] like that coming up. Breaking news [70:25] coming up. It's like it's been been [70:27] coming up forever. [70:28] >> Jimmy Carr was on the podcast yesterday [70:29] and one of the things that he brought up [70:30] was that was it was it his father that [70:33] he was talking about who recognized that [70:35] when they started putting music on the [70:36] news. [70:37] >> Yeah, I think I think he so when they [70:39] started putting music on the news like [70:41] oh [ __ ] they're making it [70:44] breaking news. [70:46] They hired some movie director. [70:48] >> Yeah. And then it zooms in to [ __ ] [70:50] Anderson Cooper standing there with his [70:51] glasses on looking very intelligent, [70:53] very professional, [70:55] >> standing in front of a big big screen [70:56] TV. Yeah. [70:57] >> Breaking news today. [70:59] >> We've got some bar charts that that mean [71:01] nothing. [71:01] >> Yes. [71:02] >> And you sit there and go, "Hm, I'm [71:03] learning." And then but a lot of people [71:05] watch that [ __ ] too. And then you go, [71:06] "What did you just watch?" And they go, [71:07] "I don't really know." [71:08] >> They just got upset. [71:09] >> They kind of just Yeah. They kind of [71:11] just phase out with the headlines. Well, [71:13] no. It's the numbers are very low, which [71:15] is really crazy that people are still [71:17] willing to buy it. Like, I don't know [71:19] why you wouldn't understand that that's [71:20] a dying thing. [71:21] >> Yeah. Well, once you also know that they [71:23] have an obligation to the advertisers to [71:26] Oh, yeah. [71:27] >> kind of say certain things, then it's [71:28] like the whole thing is a fraud. [71:30] >> Well, there's a lot of the old liberals [71:32] do not want to believe that. And that's [71:33] one of the things they [71:34] >> they're not doing it for the good of [71:35] your their [ __ ] health. They're doing [71:37] it's a business and your attention is [71:39] the [ __ ] money. Well, the best piece [71:40] of evidence is that is they don't [71:42] criticize pharmaceutical drug companies. [71:44] >> Yeah. [71:44] >> Because they're they're a primary [71:46] advertiser. [71:47] >> You think it's unethical for to do that? [71:49] >> Yes. [71:49] >> To that. [71:50] >> But there's only two countries that even [71:51] allow it. United States and New Zealand. [71:54] >> What's going on over there? [71:55] >> I don't know. Apparently, they're much [71:57] more restrictive though than us. [71:58] >> The Kiwis. Yeah. But uh in the United [72:00] States they allow people like how many [72:02] [ __ ] ads if you watch regular [72:04] television do you see that are [72:05] pharmaceutical drugs that are naming off [72:08] a bunch of very obscure conditions that [72:11] you've never even heard of. So why is [72:13] there enough of a desire for this that [72:16] you're going to put an ad on television [72:17] for a very obscure medication? [72:19] >> Yeah. If if you're sick and you need it, [72:22] you should be able to find it. Ask your [72:24] doctor. It shouldn't be impulse like, [72:26] "Oh, that's that sounds like me. I [72:27] should I should try that." Ask your [72:28] doctor column about [ __ ] it all. [72:31] >> I think what's really going on though [72:33] and you know this has been this is not [72:36] my take. This is Cali Means and a lot of [72:38] these other people that their position [72:40] is that why they do that is not to [72:42] advertise their drugs so people buy the [72:44] drugs. They do that so that the networks [72:47] won't criticize the pharmaceutical drug [72:49] companies. So they advertise all their [72:50] various products. Yeah. [72:51] >> And it gets it out there but more [72:53] importantly it protects them from the [72:56] eye of Sauron. Yeah, [72:57] >> it protects them from the news looking [72:59] because if their news really was the [73:01] news, they would look into all the [73:03] adverse drug deaths and all the [73:05] different people that die because of [73:06] these [ __ ] drugs that wind up getting [73:08] pulled from the market because the FDA [73:11] didn't do their due diligence when they [73:12] passed them. Yeah, [73:14] >> cuz I but I remember with I I was [73:17] listening to some guy had a role in um [73:21] you know I guess a big farmer [73:22] regulations or whatever and they were [73:24] talking about Perdue Pharma and [73:27] um the the one of the things that was [73:30] crazy was they the guy asked him a [73:32] question. And he goes, "Is Perduru [73:33] Pharma with all of their uh unethical [73:36] techniques that they did to push that [73:38] heroin essentially on um innocent [73:41] people? Were they operating uniquely in [73:44] the industry?" And they're like, "No, [73:45] every single pharmaceutical company [73:47] follows the exact same way." The problem [73:49] was is that Perurdu Pharma and the [73:51] Oxycotton [ __ ] up communities to such [73:54] a degree that they couldn't get away [73:56] with it. Whereas Xanax, you could argue [73:58] is a lot of people addicted to Xanax. [73:59] [ __ ] people. But it's not enough that [74:01] people are tweaking and smashing [ __ ] [74:03] someone's head in at a liquor store for [74:05] $20. [74:05] >> Exactly. [74:06] >> So, they're getting away with it, you [74:07] know? [74:08] >> Yeah. [74:08] >> But it's the same lying on it. [74:10] >> Yeah. It's the same lying. It's the same [74:11] [ __ ] It's the same like [ __ ] [74:14] doctorred results, things like that. [74:15] >> Have you ever seen someone trying to get [74:16] off Xanax? [74:18] >> No, actually. I haven't lived through [74:19] that. No. [74:19] >> It is one of the hardest ones [74:21] apparently. [74:22] >> I know a few people that have had, but [74:24] one of them real well and Jordan [74:26] Peterson. Jordan Peterson is a big one. [74:28] Like Jordan uh he got addicted to Xanax [74:31] and it took him a full year. [74:33] >> Is that why he disappeared for a while? [74:34] Because of Xanax. [74:35] >> He had to go through some medical detox [74:37] in Russia. [74:38] >> Why Russia? I don't know. [74:39] >> Pull him into a coma or something. [74:41] >> I don't know. Maybe [74:44] >> he doesn't really talk too much about [74:46] it, but he seems different, [74:50] >> you know, and I think there's a bunch of [74:52] factors there why he seems different. He [74:54] was very wise and interesting when I [74:56] first not that he's not still he's very [74:58] wise very interesting very well read guy [75:01] but much more um damaged now and whether [75:07] that is because of health I think it's [75:09] also the pressure that comes with fame I [75:12] mean he was a 40some year old professor [75:15] in Toronto you know who's a psychologist [75:18] who's he's not a guy who was [75:21] >> seeking out [75:22] >> this kind of attention and fame And then [75:24] all a sudden he's doing lectures in [75:25] front of tens of thousands of people all [75:28] over the world like traveling everywhere [75:30] doing these soldout lectures where he's [75:32] talking about all kinds of different [75:33] interesting things and it showed that [75:35] people have a hunger for fascinating [75:38] topics and deep discussions and [75:40] conversations cuz his his lectures were [75:43] very very popular but I think over time [75:47] like some of his outbursts and like he's [75:50] like you know yelled at people online [75:53] all these different things. I think some [75:54] of that is just the pressure. Most [75:57] people don't have any idea what that [75:58] pressure is like and then you all a [76:01] sudden get in it when you're in your [76:02] 40s. [76:03] >> Yeah. [76:03] >> And you're never seeking it. And then [76:05] everywhere you go, you people are [76:07] misrepresenting who you are [76:10] >> and trying to make it seem as if you're [76:12] some evil right-wing racist xenophobic, [76:17] you know, transphobic homophobic [76:21] >> Yeah. [76:21] >> ideologue. It would be exhausting to [76:23] have to live your life where every [76:25] single thing is a take that is like a [76:27] [ __ ] controversial argument with [76:30] people every cuz everywhere he lives [76:34] >> you know in conversation is a [76:36] difficulty. It's not it's not a very [76:39] simple [76:40] >> uh you know let's all have ice cream and [76:42] watch [ __ ] NBA. It's something about [76:45] surgeons should be [ __ ] losing their [76:47] license for for operating on trans [76:50] people or whatever, you know? And that's [76:52] like just a difficult It's a real heavy [76:55] life to be in that conversation, [76:57] >> right? [76:57] >> All the time. [76:58] >> All the time. [76:59] >> Yeah. That's one of the benefits of [77:00] doing a podcast, especially if you're a [77:02] comic. Like I could have a guy on one [77:04] day that talks about that stuff and then [77:05] the next guy on he, you know, met [77:07] Bigfoot. [77:08] >> Yeah. [77:09] >> Tell me. Do you have a Is that a Bigfoot [77:11] t-shirt? the Sasquatch. [ __ ] sure. I [77:13] went to Mount Rushmore. [77:14] >> I I bet I'm the ultimate tourist. I'll [77:18] do it all. [77:19] >> I love it. I love going to [ __ ] [77:21] bookies and then getting a photo with [77:23] the mascot. I went to Mount Rushmore. I [77:26] did a one of the best trips of my life [77:28] last summer. I I I I heard about how [77:31] beautiful Montana is and everything. So, [77:33] I [ __ ] worked with my agent to get [77:34] like we went Montana, North Dakota, [77:37] South Dakota, Idaho, which is probably [77:38] the most beautiful place in [ __ ] [77:40] America. pretty gorgeous [77:41] >> all up there. And now I've got the So, [77:43] we went everywhere, but over there, [77:44] which is like I think Rapid City is the [77:46] closest to Rapid City is nice, but then [77:48] they've got the like the black mountains [77:50] um out there, the Black Forest [77:52] Mountains. It's beautiful out there. [77:54] Beautiful. So, that's all I want to do [77:56] now. [77:56] >> Is there supposedly Bigfoot sightings [77:58] near Mount Rushmore? [77:59] >> I don't think there is. That's the funny [78:01] thing about it. I think I just it was [78:03] the the only thing that didn't say like [78:04] I heart [ __ ] Mount Rushmore. So, I I [78:07] wanted a shirt and I was like, "This [78:08] will kind of do a Sasquatch type of uh [78:10] Mount Rushmore shirt." But [78:11] >> that's a special kind of person, the [78:12] person who really loves Bigfoot. [78:14] >> I'd love to go to these places and do a [78:16] little hunting. [78:17] >> Duncan and I did it. [78:18] >> You went looking for the guys. [78:19] >> Yeah. Duncan Trussell and I I had a show [78:21] back in 2011 or 12 called Joe Rogan [78:25] Questions Everything. Yeah. [78:26] >> And one of the things we like, let's do [78:28] a deep dive on chemtrails. Let's do a [78:31] deep dive on UFOs. let's do a deep dive. [78:33] And so we did a deep dive on uh Bigfoot [78:35] hunters. So we went and met people that [78:37] met Bigfoot. We took a lot of it is in [78:39] the Pacific Northwest. [78:40] >> Yeah, that's the that's the hub. [78:42] >> Yeah. Also a lot of meth. Lot of meth. A [78:44] lot of Sasquatch. [78:47] A lot of heroin. A lot of Sasquatch. [78:49] >> There is a card. [78:49] >> Are these the Bigfoot sightings? [78:50] >> Yeah. Look where the big clump is here. [78:52] >> Oh, it's in Texas. [78:54] >> Close to the pod. [78:55] >> Is Is that where the moonshine's made? [78:57] >> I have no idea. I just popped it up cuz [78:59] I was going to [78:59] >> Is there any near Austin? But there's [79:00] like there's not [79:01] >> Yeah, [79:02] >> there's Bigfoot sightings in Austin. [79:04] >> Yeah, there's at least four. One down in [79:07] >> Are you sure those aren't Memed Mezer [79:08] with a wig on? [79:09] >> Yeah. [79:09] >> Let's see what it says. [79:11] >> When is that? [79:12] >> Airman encounters nighttime encounter on [79:14] Birdstrom Air Force Base [79:16] >> in 81 Air Force Base. He might be a [79:19] Yeah, it might be an alien. [79:20] >> Uh September 2013. Man has afternoon [79:22] sighting of large bipeedal creature. [79:25] >> Afternoon sighting. Sitting there [79:28] drinking moon. Oh, this big hair fell [79:31] come over to me wants me to suck his [79:33] dick. I'm like, I'm not going to do it. [79:35] >> I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. [79:37] >> 1980. While two go shoot target [79:40] practice, two men see upright hair [79:42] covered figure. [79:44] >> Homeless guy. [79:45] >> Yeah, it's a guy. [79:47] >> A guy with a fur jacket on. [79:49] >> There was no homeless people in the 80s. [79:50] Is that what you're saying? [79:51] >> There's barely anybody here back then. [79:53] >> This is a ghost town. But is so is the [79:56] um Northwest up in Washington is that [79:58] much is that more busier? [80:00] >> Well, there's a lot of bears up there [80:02] and bears walk upright. [80:04] >> They do it all the time and I think [80:05] that's a lot of it. Also, the way it [80:07] look one of the things that one of the [80:09] first things that Duncan and I noticed [80:10] when we went up there is that when [80:12] you're in the Pacific Northwest, the [80:13] trees are so dense cuz it rains so much. [80:16] It's like a box of Q-tips. Like you [80:18] can't see you can't see through the [80:20] trees. [80:21] >> Like there's so many trees. It's like [80:23] >> and you just sort of see a shadow. [80:24] >> You see a shadow. You see a thing moving [80:26] and then in your head your head starts [80:28] spinning. Like I was in uh Alberta once [80:31] and for like a second I thought I saw a [80:34] wolf and it was a squirrel. [80:36] >> Oh, [80:37] >> it was a squirrel moving through the [80:39] woods and I saw the gray and I think [80:42] it's a [ __ ] squirrel. Like what's [80:43] wrong with me? But my mind had convinced [80:46] me for a very short amount of time that [80:48] it was a wolf. [80:49] >> Definitely. [80:49] >> And I was like you silly [ __ ] [80:51] >> Where was I? Alberta. [80:53] >> Alberta. Nice. [80:54] >> Very against again very dense. We did [80:57] see a wolf up there. I'm pretty sure he [80:59] was either a wolf or a big coyote, but [81:01] it was at dusk and it was running across [81:02] the road. But they have wolves up there. [81:04] >> Yeah. [81:04] >> My friends John and Jen, they run a bear [81:06] hunting operation up there. [81:08] >> And they send me photos of wolves. They [81:10] just send me a photo of a wolf uh that [81:12] were over a trail cam today. [81:15] >> Wow. That's all that's like kind of all [81:17] I want to do right now. I'm organizing [81:19] like a a hike in the thoroughare. Do you [81:21] know that? in South Yellowstone. It's [81:22] like [81:22] >> Oh, you want to go to the woods? [81:24] >> Uh it's it's not even the woods. It's [81:25] just like open uh rolling hills in like [81:29] South Yellowstone near the lake. It's [81:30] called the Thoroughare. And then you [81:31] walk to the middle of it. It's 40 mi in [81:33] any direction from a road. [81:35] >> And uh it's grizzly country, wolf [81:37] country, elk, some moose, I believe. [81:39] >> You want to go in there? [81:40] >> Yeah, that's all I want to do. [81:41] >> Why? Why do you want to do that? [81:42] >> Just cuz I I just started solo hiking [81:45] and it's like my my favorite thing in [81:46] the world. So, do you get like a big [81:48] backpack of food and a tent in it and [81:51] the whole deal? [81:52] >> Exactly. And then it's the most I don't [81:54] I can't even explain it, but it's like a [81:56] therapeutically [81:58] you pack up all your [ __ ] You have no [81:59] distractions. You make your food and [82:01] then you just all your goal is just [82:03] march [82:03] >> by yourself. [82:04] >> Yeah. And well, you'll meet people, you [82:06] say hello. I've never done like the [82:07] thoroughare. I was like that's as wild. [82:09] But I'm I'm definitely going to do it. [82:11] >> But you've done the solo camping where [82:13] you put the backpack on. Yeah. [82:15] >> How far deep into the mountains did you [82:17] go? [82:17] >> Oh, I've never gone too crazy. I've gone [82:18] like along the Appalachian Trail and [82:20] things like that. So, you don't see [82:21] people, [82:22] >> but the trail is at least is a [82:24] documented trail. [82:24] >> It is a documented trail. You'll have [82:26] you'll have designated campsites and [82:28] then there's all like beer safety stuff [82:30] where you're not allowed to cook where [82:31] you sleep and you have the beer hangs [82:32] and things like that. [82:34] >> So, [82:34] >> yeah, [82:34] >> I'm excited. You You worried about me? [82:37] >> I'm a little worried about you. Yeah. [82:38] Like don't do you bring an inreach or [82:41] anything? Do you know what that is? [82:42] >> Yeah, like a satellite. Yeah. [82:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. I gotta buy a garment. [82:46] >> Yeah. [82:46] >> Or is that how you say? I'm not going to [82:47] buy one. Go expensive one. I got to get [82:49] bear spray, things like that. [82:51] >> Yeah. [82:51] >> And then I It seems like people do it [82:52] all the time. I've watched so many just [82:55] vlogs of people walking around these [82:56] areas. And as long as you're not stupid [82:58] and safe and [82:59] >> and they get cool videos, they're woken [83:02] up by the elk [ __ ] bugling in the [83:04] morning, all this type of stuff. That's [83:05] all I want to do is just [83:07] >> I don't have any kids yet, so I'm kind [83:08] of hoping to get this out of the way [83:10] before it seems a little too [83:11] responsible. Irresponsible. [83:13] >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're [83:15] going to do the solo hike and get eaten [83:16] by a wolf, do it now. [83:18] >> But the thoroughare is definitely my my [83:19] goal. That's what I want to do. It's [83:21] eight days. You have to pack all your [83:22] [ __ ] with you and you just head out. You [83:24] just head out. But something about that [83:26] when I'm marching on those it's [83:29] after about 20 minutes I just I don't [83:31] know. I get into this weird [ __ ] [83:32] headsp space where I'm just like march [83:34] march march and that's all I'm thinking. [83:35] I'm just empty head. [83:37] >> Yeah. [83:38] >> I think I got too many [ __ ] thoughts [83:39] going on in there. [83:40] >> I think everybody does. [83:41] >> Yeah. [83:42] >> Yeah. Well, I also think that there's [83:44] something about being in the woods [83:45] that's very therapeutic just naturally [83:48] because that's our that's our na that's [83:51] the natural environment where human [83:52] beings are supposed to be. [83:54] >> We're supposed to be in nature. We are a [83:56] part of nature and we're disconnected by [83:58] nature by being in cities. And I think [84:00] there's a little bit of anxiety and [84:01] weirdness that comes with that and that [84:02] it goes away when you're out in the [84:04] woods. [84:04] >> It definitely goes away. And I think the [84:06] simplicity of life is like your phone, [84:08] you don't have signal so it doesn't [84:09] really matter. You have your map out. [84:11] I'd love to even go a step further and [84:13] have like a [ __ ] compass on a real [84:15] map and try to do like orientering [84:17] style, but I don't I don't really have [84:18] the [84:19] >> I have a bunch of friends who do solo [84:21] hunts where they go in and hunt. [84:23] >> Yeah, [84:23] >> solo. [84:24] >> And where do they do this all over? [84:25] >> What's that? [84:26] >> They do this everywhere. [84:27] >> Well, you know, you have to go to [84:29] designated areas and you have to go to [84:31] like places where you can get a tag, but [84:32] there's a bunch of places where you can [84:33] get what's called an over- the-counter [84:35] tag or, you know, you put in for a draw, [84:38] you know. So what it means is like these [84:39] uh biologists determine like say if [84:42] you're deer hunting uh the biologists [84:44] determine there's x amount of deer in [84:46] this area and to keep the population [84:49] healthy you should remove x amount and [84:52] so they they put out generally uh enough [84:56] tags to be it's most people aren't [84:59] successful. So it's like they put out [85:01] more tags probably than they want [85:03] animals killed. So they'll give you like [85:05] five tags. You don't have to get five. [85:07] >> You most likely you get one. Okay. You [85:09] would get one tag, but they'd put tags [85:10] out for, you know, let's say it's so [85:13] there's the way uh public land works in [85:15] America. [85:16] >> There's uh certain areas that are [85:18] restricted units where it takes a long [85:20] time to get a tag. Like if you want to [85:21] get like a Nevada elk tag, very hard to [85:24] get, you might put in for 20 years and [85:26] then you get one. So it's a tag of a [85:27] lifetime. And if you get a like a Nevada [85:30] elk tag is a big one because they have [85:32] giant elk in Nevada. It's a very famous [85:34] place to elk hunt. [85:35] >> Wow. [85:36] >> And so people will wait forever. They [85:38] finally get that tag and then they [85:39] organize. They get some friends to help [85:41] them and then they'll go out and [85:43] they'll, you know, pack in. [85:45] >> And and these are probably in the kind [85:47] of mountainous regions of Nevada where [85:49] where the grass is out. [85:50] >> Like uh the Apache reservations in [85:52] Nevada are famous for uh elk hunting [85:56] >> um because it's like some of the best [85:57] elk hunting territory in the world. And [86:00] um the way it works is the nations [86:03] control it. So um reservations in our [86:06] country, they're essentially have their [86:07] own laws and they they're not subject to [86:09] the laws of the United States [86:11] government. So they [86:12] >> even when with animals, even with [86:14] >> Yeah. with everything. Oh wow. [86:15] >> Yeah. Well, it's it's crazy like in [86:17] Canada they alongside everyone else. So [86:21] in Canada it's called crown land. That's [86:23] what public land is in Canada. And uh if [86:25] you're on crown land and you're a whitey [86:28] like me or you, [86:29] >> you you know you get a tag for a bear or [86:31] a tag for an elk or a tag for a moose. [86:34] They can do whatever they want. The [86:35] indigenous people, they call them first [86:37] nation people. When we were up there, we [86:39] were fishing, right? And when you're [86:40] fishing, you're allowed to catch one [86:43] walleye a day. So we're on this dock and [86:46] we're catching, but we're next to these [86:47] natives and they're pulling in walley [86:49] left and right, putting them in buckets. [86:50] They can catch as many as they want. [86:53] They can use spotlights at night to [86:54] shoot moose. [86:56] So they blind us moose to the spotlight [86:58] and boom, they're shooting them off the [87:00] top of trucks. They [87:01] >> And they eat moose. [87:02] >> Yep. [87:02] >> Oh, moose are delicious. Moose good. [87:04] >> I've never seen one. I want to I want to [87:05] see one so bad. I want to go up to the [87:06] aderondex and do some canoeing. [87:08] >> If you see a moose thing about a moose, [87:10] as opposed to every other deer species, [87:12] they will [ __ ] kill you. [87:13] >> They're going to go nuts. [87:14] >> They'll kill you. They They will stomp [87:16] you to death. [87:16] >> I want to see one from afar. I don't [87:17] want to get stomped to death by a moose. [87:18] That's a little [87:19] >> The females with their calves are the [87:21] most dangerous. They're [ __ ] [87:22] dangerous. They They're huge. You don't [87:25] realize how big they are until you're [87:26] with them. [87:27] >> You're like, "Oh my god." I only went [87:28] moose hunting once and that was in BC. [87:31] And uh it is [87:33] >> wild when you see one in real life. You [87:35] can't believe how big they are. They're [87:37] so big. They're enormous. And they will [87:40] [ __ ] kill you. Like they'll kill you [87:43] cuz they have to defend themselves. [87:44] They're around bears and wolves. They're [87:46] used to stomping things [87:48] >> and they weigh 1,800 lb. And they [87:51] probably they kind of waddle in the [87:53] water a little, right? So you're [87:54] >> they go in the water canoe and they'll [87:56] just [ __ ] [87:57] >> Well, they won't come after you if [87:58] you're in a canoe. [87:58] >> No, [87:59] >> no, they'll come after you if on the [88:01] like if you're on the land and they feel [88:02] like you're too close or you might be a [88:04] problem. [88:04] >> Fast, too. Are they? [88:05] >> Oh, they're faster than they're faster [88:07] than you and me. That's for [ __ ] They [88:09] have four legs and big muscles. Yeah, [88:11] they they'll [ __ ] you up. [88:12] >> I kind of That's the way I want to go. I [88:13] want [88:14] >> stomped by a moose. [88:15] >> Something. [88:16] >> Yeah. Getting stumped by a wild animal [88:18] standing on a snake while you're on a [88:20] hike or something like that. [88:21] >> Kind of tragically hilarious. Yeah. [88:24] >> And everybody makes fun of me on a [88:25] podcast going [ __ ] idiot column [88:28] >> tried to get a [ __ ] selfie with a [88:29] moose and he [ __ ] got that antler in [88:31] the back of the head. [88:32] >> Have you ever seen that uh Instagram [88:34] page Turons of Yellowstone? [88:35] >> No. No. [88:36] >> Oh, [88:37] >> it's just fat idiots getting ran over by [88:39] a bison. Bison's love sending people [88:42] flying through the [88:43] >> Yeah, there was a video last year of [88:44] this old guy, some old geyser and the [88:47] bison [ __ ] hit him and he [ __ ] he [88:49] did he did a huge and he he got up, [88:51] brushed himself off and [ __ ] he was [88:52] good. [88:53] >> Wow. [88:53] >> But it was unlucky cuz they I think the [88:55] bison chased a car that drove by and [88:57] then when the car moved away, they were [88:59] right there. So they they were doing [89:01] their distance, right? And then they [89:02] were running around a tree like [ __ ] [89:05] uh three stooges trying to get away and [89:07] then he just caught one and he went, "Oh [89:08] god." And it's like a viral photo of him [89:10] just being thrown huge in the sky. [89:13] >> There's so many people that want selfies [89:14] with those animals. [89:15] >> That was crazy. [89:16] >> And to this day, people the There's [89:18] something about I wonder how many people [89:20] have died from selfies. [89:22] >> Yeah, it's kind of fine though. It's [89:24] kind of It's kind It's kind of There's a [89:28] lot of traffic and if you if you're on a [89:30] cliff getting a selfie and you tumble [89:32] down, [89:33] >> right, [89:33] >> it's kind of okay to me. Or if or if or [89:35] if a [ __ ] elephant [ __ ] [89:37] >> It's tragic, but it's it's tragic. It's [89:39] understandable and especially young [89:40] people. [89:41] >> Not all deaths have to be tragic, do [89:42] they? For [ __ ] sake. [89:43] >> Well, we're all going to die. And some [89:46] deaths are learning experiences for the [89:48] people that survive. [89:48] >> Yeah. Which happened of Yellowstone. [89:51] >> It's not happened to me. [89:52] >> Not yet. [89:52] >> That's that's the New York mentality. [89:53] When someone gets pushed in front of a [89:55] train, we all kind of go, [89:57] >> wasn't me. [89:58] >> Well, it happens infrequently enough [90:00] that you're not nervous about it, but [90:02] you know it's a possibility. You don't [90:04] stand right there and like peek out. [90:06] >> I just don't think Yeah, I just don't [90:08] think that would happen to me. I don't [90:09] know why. I just have this confident [90:10] feeling that someone's not going to [90:11] shove me in front of a [ __ ] train. [90:13] >> Really? [90:13] >> Something about I just think of my They [90:15] They know better. [90:16] >> They know better. [90:17] >> They Yeah. [90:18] >> Well, they probably try to do vulnerable [90:20] people. [90:20] >> They little Asian ladies. Yeah, [90:21] probably. That would be the That would [90:23] be the easiest. [90:24] >> How many people every year get pushed in [90:25] front of a train? [90:26] >> I think one or two. It's like a big news [90:28] story usually. If even if even that [90:31] much. [90:31] >> Yeah. [90:32] >> Yeah. But you know, I I've never gone [90:34] hunting. I'm organizing a hunting trip. [90:36] My cousin, he's a hunter in Ireland. [90:39] >> Just started. He's a YouTuber now, [90:40] actually. He makes these great videos. [90:42] Known hunting? [90:43] >> Yeah, he hunts in Ireland. He hunts [90:44] there in the Sleeve Bloom Mountains. [90:46] Huge beautiful. Like they're more like [90:48] Irish mountains or hills, by the way. [90:49] But like beautiful. So he's a YouTuber [90:51] now. Kran, if anyone wants to go check [90:53] out this is uh [90:55] >> shout out to my little cousin. [90:57] >> 20 to 25 people are pushed onto the [90:59] tracks per year. [91:00] >> Okay. But they're pushed onto the [91:01] tracks. Yeah, [91:02] >> that's just the New York subway. [91:04] >> Yeah, not necessarily people struck or [91:06] killed by a train. Some victims escape [91:08] before the train arrives. December 24, [91:11] Brooklyn case. The victim climbed back [91:13] onto the platform seconds before an [91:14] incoming train. [ __ ] [91:16] >> See, that's what I would do. [91:17] >> What if you're old and you can't pull [91:18] yourself up and you realize like you're [91:20] just going to sit there until that train [91:21] turns you into a jelly. [91:23] >> Also, there's a count on selfie deaths. [91:26] It's a [91:27] >> Let's guess. Let's guess how many people [91:29] per year die by selfie. Globally, are we [91:32] 400? [91:33] >> I say 2,000. [91:34] >> Yeah, I think you're right. I [ __ ] up. [91:36] >> 20,000. [91:36] >> Let me go again. [91:37] >> Cuz Okay. [91:40] >> 2010. [91:41] >> 2010. Okay. You'll say 2010. I'll say [91:44] 1,700. [91:44] >> Okay. [91:45] >> I'll go low. [91:46] >> Way too way too high. [91:47] >> Way too high. Really? I mean, this is uh [91:49] just reported. So, it's 425 deaths [91:52] linked over 49 countries. I would have [91:55] to say since 2011 or so. [91:58] >> But how many of them get reported? [91:59] That's what I'd say. [92:00] >> If a guy falls off a mountain, how do [92:02] you know how he fell off? [92:03] >> Do you ever Well, you ever see that? Do [92:04] you ever see that uh the fellow who got [92:06] caught killing his wife? I think it was [92:08] India. Maybe I'm wrong, but they were [92:10] getting photos and he kept go a little [92:12] further, but he didn't realize people [92:13] were up when another cliff could see it. [92:14] And then he ran over to and just shoved [92:15] her off the [ __ ] thing [92:16] >> and people were watching. [92:17] >> People were watching from afar. They saw [92:19] him [ __ ] shove her. [92:21] >> He almost got away with it. [92:23] >> Cuz then he But like then he would have [92:25] to come down and be like, "Oh, she [92:26] wanted a photo." [92:28] Ask her. Look at this. Oscar uh Otto [92:30] Aguilar died accidentally shooting [92:33] himself while posing for a selfie with a [92:35] loaded handgun. [92:38] >> Yeah, [92:38] >> a few times more recently. [92:39] >> That's in Mexico City. Taj Mahal, India. [92:42] A disputed example. Japanese tourist [92:45] Hayito Ua was widely reported to have [92:49] died falling on stairs while taking a [92:51] selfie at the monument's royal gate. An [92:53] eyewitness described a selfie related [92:56] fall, but a police official told AFP the [92:59] postpartum found a heart attack. Okay. [93:01] >> Right. But if I fall off a cliff because [93:04] I'm taking a selfie, it's the [ __ ] [93:05] head wound that kills me. But the selfie [93:07] didn't kill me. So that's kind of this. [93:10] It's the selfie led to the heart attack. [93:12] No, [93:13] >> maybe. [93:14] Maybe [93:15] >> this is going to evolve into being [93:16] caught while live streaming. Maybe he [93:19] had a heart attack when he realized he [93:20] was falling down the stairs and he's 66 [93:22] years old and he realized, "Oh my god, [93:24] I'm going to die." So he had a heart [93:26] attack. [93:28] >> That's possible, too, cuz you do freak [93:29] out when you realize like, "Oh my god, I [93:31] might die." [93:33] >> And then your heart's like, "Check, [93:34] please. [93:35] >> I'm about to die right now." [93:36] >> Well, that means he's probably on the [93:37] way to but dying anyway. That's what [93:39] killed him. Just a little bit of a freak [93:40] out from falling down a flight of [93:41] stairs. [93:42] >> Yeah. [93:43] >> You know, [93:44] >> work on your core strength, sir. [93:45] >> Have you ever thought you were going to [93:46] die? Have you ever like really were [93:48] like, "Oh, [93:49] >> I I was in an accident when I was uh 14. [93:53] Not an accident with a car. We were uh [93:55] hanging out in this um it was like this [93:59] place that had these uh giant sewer [94:01] pipes, like these huge cement sewer [94:04] pipes. And there was this crane, this [94:07] attachment that would lift up the pipes, [94:10] like it would slide into the pipes and [94:12] they would put it on a crane to lift [94:13] them up. And we were [ __ ] around and [94:16] something happened and we were climbing [94:18] on this thing and it fell and it hit me [94:22] on the head. It hit me on the back of [94:24] the head. I still have a scar on the [94:25] back of my head and um it hit me so hard [94:29] that my consciousness grayed out and I [94:33] survived but I thought I was dying. I [94:35] was convinced I was dying and I was 14 [94:37] and I had to go to the hospital. Just [94:39] blood everywhere. I still have this gas. [94:41] >> How do they how do they deal with it? [94:43] back then they just sort of say, "Hey, [94:44] toughen up." [94:45] >> Well, they said, "You're okay. You're [94:46] not dead." [94:47] >> Yeah, that's how they just in the 80s or [94:49] whatever. [94:49] >> I don't even know if I got stitches cuz [94:51] I have It's a pretty significant scar. [94:53] It's like right here, right? But [94:56] >> if I was here instead of here, I'd be [94:59] dead. [95:00] >> Yeah. [95:00] >> So, it grazed my head. It like this [95:02] thing dinged the back of my head [95:06] >> and could have easily crushed my skull. [95:08] I mean, it was this huge metal thing [95:10] that they used to pick up these uh these [95:13] huge cement tubes. [95:15] >> Yeah. [95:16] >> And uh it it bang my head and I thought [95:18] I was dead. I did. I thought I thought [95:20] it was going like it hit me so hard and [95:22] it was so big and the pain was so [95:25] extreme and I didn't go unconscious, but [95:28] I got real close like like like this [95:29] like [95:30] >> you're a rock for sure [95:31] >> like where consciousness like and [95:33] everything went gray and I was like and [95:35] I was like, "Oh my god, I'm going to [95:36] die. I'm going to die." My friends had [95:38] to take me to the hospital. [95:40] >> Yeah. [95:42] >> Yeah. It was very scary. I think my [95:43] friends took me to my parents. My [95:45] parents took me in the hospital. It's [95:46] hard to remember it all because it was [95:47] so traumatic. But I I thought at that [95:50] moment I was dead. [95:52] >> Wow. You were like saying goodbye to [95:54] everybody. [95:54] >> No. I was just like, ah. I was just [95:56] terrified like I've never even done [95:58] anything. Now I'm dead [95:59] >> for being [ __ ] Yeah. [96:01] >> Being a dumb kid. [96:02] >> I'm I'm I went to Lao years a I traveled [96:06] Southeast Asia when I was younger. the [96:07] Thailand, Vietnam, Lao or Laos as [96:10] sometimes people call it. But the it's [96:11] the whole place there is built on like a [96:13] tubing economy where they just you get [96:15] in a tube and you float down a river [96:17] from bar to bar. It's like this cool [96:18] party. They everywhere you go there's a [96:20] DJ and each place has like a slide. Each [96:23] bar has a slide. So you get in this tube [96:25] at the start of the day where they drive [96:26] you up to the top of the mountain. You [96:28] jump in the water, you flow. And then [96:29] there's these little seven-year-old [96:31] Thailand boys with a water bottle full [96:34] of water on a [ __ ] rope and they're [96:36] swinging it. And there's like six of [96:38] them and they're like swinging it and [96:39] they they'll and it'll fly through the [96:41] sky like [ __ ] arrows from the [ __ ] [96:44] Indians flying and they'll land boom [96:46] right in your lap and they'll [ __ ] [96:48] pull you in and you'd flip them with [96:49] like a [ __ ] euro or whatever it was [96:51] that these like kids because that's [96:52] their job. And I mean they had a [ __ ] [96:54] accuracy like insane. You want to see [96:58] talented people like people in Thailand, [97:00] Lao, Vietnam because they learned just [97:01] one thing since they're [ __ ] can [97:04] stand and it was incredible. But I was [97:07] over it. Anyway, one of these places had [97:08] this uh cliff you would jump off and [97:11] then you land on this big inflatable [97:15] like um cushion. I said massive like 20 [97:17] ft wide and I jumped on it, fell off it [97:20] and then whatever happened to someone [97:21] which is natural in the water and I went [97:23] down someone else jumped on it and the [97:24] thing kind of rotated around. So then I [97:27] came up. I'm just [ __ ] trapped under [97:28] this whole thing. And then I said, [97:30] "Fuck." I swam and I tried to swim [97:31] somewhere else, but it followed me up [97:33] and then I [ __ ] I hit it again. So I'm [97:35] just like then I remember I started I [97:37] started to panic and then I I do [97:39] remember specifically going relax, don't [97:42] panic. And I swam down and I just swam [97:44] and apparently I swam for like [ __ ] [97:46] so far and then I came up like and [97:48] everyone was worried about me. Everyone [97:49] [ __ ] crazy. [97:50] >> Holy [ __ ] [97:51] >> Yeah, cuz people died down there. I [97:52] think they kind of shut that down. That [97:54] used to be like the coolest. That was [97:55] like the last fun South Southeast Asia [97:58] thing where white people could die and [98:01] it it didn't matter. It just said it [98:03] didn't matter. It's like, "Yeah, welcome [98:04] to [ __ ] Vietnam, baby. You're going [98:06] to die here." But it's so much fun. [98:08] >> Well, before the internet, people would [98:10] die and it would only be a local story. [98:13] >> Great. [98:16] What a nice time to not have to hear [98:18] about every [ __ ] person that goes [98:20] through trouble. [98:20] >> That's true. That's a big problem with [98:22] society today is that we are inundated [98:24] by the bad news of the whole world. So 8 [98:27] billion people worth of bad news. [98:29] >> And then the visual stuff of the amount [98:31] of people I've seen die [98:32] >> Oh. [98:33] >> is is is crazy. [98:34] >> Yeah. [98:35] >> And the amount of things I've [98:36] experienced through these [ __ ] [98:38] screens that should not, you know, [98:41] >> right versus what you've actually seen [98:42] in real life. [98:43] >> Yeah. [98:43] >> Yeah. It's a big It's a big problem. And [98:46] it's a big problem desensiti [98:48] desensitizing young people. Like they [98:49] used to think that like video games [98:51] desensitized young people and I'm sure [98:53] they do. I'm sure like being able to [98:55] shoot a bunch of people in Call of Duty [98:56] definitely does some kind of [98:59] >> thing to your brain. It's a unusual [99:00] thing [99:02] and people are spl blood splattering all [99:04] over the place and you're like [ __ ] yeah [99:06] you're having fun. [99:08] >> Um but then when you're seeing it live [99:10] all the time like when I was a kid until [99:13] Faces of Death came out the V do you [99:15] know what that is? [99:16] >> No. VHS tapes that came out in the 19 [99:20] God I gota was I want to say it's the [99:22] 1980s they came out and it was a [99:25] collection of videos of people dying. [99:27] One of them was this guy uh they [99:29] attached him to I think they attached [99:31] him to cars like they tied his arms and [99:34] legs and then pulled him apart and uh [99:37] you you see a bunch of things. The one [99:40] of them the famous one was Bud Dwire. [99:42] >> Yeah. [99:42] >> You know from that song Hey Man nice [99:44] shot. [99:45] >> Yeah. Yeah, [99:45] >> like that guy, he got caught in some [99:48] corruption thing. I believe it was in [99:49] Pennsylvania. [99:51] >> I think it was anyway puts a 44 Magnum [99:53] in his mouth and just blows his brains [99:55] out in front of everybody. [99:56] >> It's funny that whatever that scandal [99:58] was back then, unpaid [ __ ] parking [100:00] tickets or some [ __ ] that was going to [100:02] rock his whole life and embarrass the [100:04] family. It's like nowadays it's like you [100:06] got to be caught with a child on your [100:08] [ __ ] lap before you [ __ ] [100:10] >> admit it or retire or anything like [100:12] that. There's a meme that I just found [100:14] the other day. Hold on a second. [100:16] >> But we we had rotten.com. That was my [100:18] generation's version. Rotten.com. I [100:20] remember being like 8 years old and my [100:22] cousin showing me a photo of a man with [100:25] his hard dick in a fish's mouth. [100:31] I remember so young. And it would load. [100:34] So you would just [100:36] >> And you have to wait and it would load [100:37] and you go, "Is that a fish? And is that [100:39] and then it was just [ __ ] in his mouth. [100:41] hard [ __ ] in this guy's mouth and like [100:43] what? [100:44] >> Yeah. And then they show you another [100:45] suicide guy who just everywhere. [100:48] >> Meanwhile, that's normal now. [100:50] >> It's so normal. [100:51] >> Yeah. [100:52] >> There's like there look there's like [100:53] there's these like I think society might [100:55] be better with I got I know it's like [100:57] freedom versus [ __ ] you know uh the [101:01] good the good of society but I think [101:03] having a couple of walls in place for me [101:06] to see a man with a [ __ ] and a fish [101:08] would be good for people. Yeah. Yeah. [101:12] >> I think it's just it's a constant battle [101:14] of like do we have speed and limits? Do [101:16] we not? You know. [101:17] >> Well, I think that's more extreme [101:18] because it's it's shaping your mind. [101:21] Like you're you're getting access to [101:23] information that formulates your [101:25] worldview and that that information is [101:28] not necessary. [101:29] >> Like you maybe don't need to see a guy [101:31] mouth [ __ ] a fish. [101:33] >> You know, mouth [ __ ] a fish is so [101:35] mild today. [101:36] >> I I know [101:37] >> that's what's nuts. like today that's [101:39] like we've seen so and it's desensitized [101:42] people to an extreme level like I don't [101:44] know how much of an effect it's had on [101:47] how people behave but it has to have a [101:49] giant it definitely has had an effect on [101:51] how people communicate online to each [101:53] other. They're much shittier to each [101:55] other than they were back then. [101:57] >> Yeah, I think they kind maybe they [101:58] realized that you know being online's [102:00] kind of there's a distance you know so [102:03] it doesn't feel like you're really being [102:05] human to that. [102:06] >> Did you get that meme I sent you? Oh, [102:07] no. Sorry. I was reading about Bud [102:09] Dwire. I did stuff. I had never heard [102:11] >> this Craig he was facing 55 years. And [102:14] >> for what? [102:15] >> Big scandal about some he I don't know. [102:18] >> I could I could see the suicide rather [102:20] than [102:21] >> 55 hard years. [102:23] >> The part that's crazy is he had the [102:25] speech that no one knew he was going to [102:26] give and it was like it had gone on for [102:28] 30 minutes and halfway through it the [102:30] press was getting ready to leave and he [102:32] says, "Some of you putting your cameras [102:33] away. I think you ought to stay cuz [102:34] we're not finished yet." [102:36] Wow. [102:37] >> And that's that's great. [102:38] >> Well, I was enveloping [102:39] >> 30 minutes. [102:41] >> Yeah. [102:42] >> 30 minute speech and then Well, I would [102:43] have been happy it was over. [102:44] >> Sure. I I had to shoot it myself. [102:48] >> What does it say? Uh [102:52] >> SC go down a little further. Down. Yeah, [102:55] there we go. Uh Dwire alleged that his [102:57] legal wos were political persecution due [102:59] to his refers refusal to grant a travel [103:02] voucher for Governor Dick Thurber's wife [103:05] for a trip to Europe, alleging that [103:07] Thurber [103:09] said uh that he would get Dwire and that [103:12] Thurber referred to him as the fat [ __ ] [103:18] Dwire spoke out against the death [103:20] penalty and expressed regret for voting [103:22] in favor while he was in the [103:24] Pennsylvania Assembly. speech lasted for [103:26] nearly 30 minutes and then he blew his [103:28] brains out. [103:30] >> Whoa. [103:31] >> He faced 55 years and a big fine and [103:33] like his co-conspirator got one year. [103:35] >> Oh, someone threw him under the bus. [103:38] >> Yeah. [103:38] >> I'm surprised there's not more suicides [103:41] like that constantly. [103:43] >> Yeah. [103:43] >> Like a a big [ __ ] show. I guess [103:45] that's what a like a a mass shooting [103:48] suicide thing is. [103:50] I mean, just a suicide is like [103:53] >> this is the meme. Politicians 1996. I [103:56] smoked pot once but I didn't inhale. [103:57] Politician 2026. I [ __ ] a child but I [104:00] didn't eat it. [104:03] >> That guy's [ __ ] face. That guy's [104:05] sweaty face. [104:06] >> That's so funny. [104:07] >> You [ __ ] up. [104:08] >> That's so growing up and people said I [104:09] never I didn't I smoked but I didn't [104:11] inhale. As if that was like this weird [104:14] >> right. And then Obama was like I did [104:16] coke. I'm like whoa. [104:17] >> Did he say that? [104:17] >> Yeah. [104:18] >> Awesome. [104:18] >> Yeah. Good for him. [104:19] >> He definitely said he smoked weed. I [104:21] mean, there's pictures of him smoking [104:22] weed. [104:23] >> Good. [104:23] >> What were we just talking about just [104:25] before that? [104:26] >> Oh, no. Was it the rotten.com stuff? [104:28] >> I didn't know you guys were getting into [104:29] the fish. [104:30] >> No, no, no, no. Just much more recently. [104:33] I had a [104:34] >> suicide people doing a f a fun suicide [104:37] for everyone to see. [104:39] >> Maybe that's it. I can't remember. [104:40] >> Big showcase. [104:41] >> I lost my thought, but I had a thought. [104:43] >> Are these Are these stars that you have? [104:45] Because they're shooting by. There we [104:46] go. [104:46] >> Sometimes they shoot by. Yeah. Are they [104:48] Is this like a replica of the of the [104:50] actual night skies? This is just random. [104:53] >> You guys, we we me and a few comics last [104:55] week went out to Big Bend. One of the [104:57] most fun things we've ever done. [104:59] >> Uh no, no, sorry. Uh no, Big Ben. [105:02] >> Here. [105:03] >> Oh, Big Bend. [105:04] >> Big Ben National Park. It's South Texas. [105:06] It's It's like the darkest region of [105:08] >> Oh, that's the darkest region. [105:10] >> South one of them. Yeah, down there. So, [105:12] it's a designated night place, so all [105:15] the lights go off. But we went out [105:17] there. Yeah, that's exactly where we [105:18] stayed at the Chisos Mountains. [105:20] >> [ __ ] look how beautiful. [ __ ] insane [105:22] how nice it is out there. And there was [105:24] tarantulas walking around and [ __ ] cuz [105:26] it's mating season. They came over. [105:27] We're climbing on our [ __ ] and stuff. N [105:30] so cool. It was [ __ ] cool. But I look [105:33] So we sat out at night, the sunset would [105:35] go down and we would watch the the the [105:38] stars come out and we would sit there [105:40] for seven hours just staring at back, [105:42] leaning back in our Tommy Bahama chairs. [105:44] >> Wow. We did a little LSD [105:46] >> and then just looked at the stars all [105:48] night. It was one of the most insane [105:50] things I've ever done. But I've I after [105:53] that I feel like I' I'd never seen the [105:55] sky truly until I went out there. [105:58] >> Right. [105:58] >> It was unrecognizable there. You you [106:00] couldn't pick out the Big Dipper or [106:02] anything like that because there was so [106:04] many stars. It was a mess. [106:06] >> Yeah. Ain't it beautiful? [106:07] >> It was so cool. It was the I I I would [106:10] recommend everyone alive, head out the [106:11] big band. Look at the stars. do a little [106:13] acid if you feel like it. Really think [106:15] about [ __ ] how insignificant you are. [106:17] And my buddy Tim Butterly, who's an [106:19] amazing comedian, he's he's in Austin, [106:20] from Philly. He's one of the Philly [106:21] boys. He brought his telescope with him. [106:23] He has this huge big telescope and we we [106:25] search we able to see Saturn and you [106:27] could see Saturn's rings like in detail [106:30] through the telescope. And it truly was [106:33] crazy. [106:33] >> On acid [106:34] >> on acid looking at Saturn and you're [106:36] just going, "What the fuck?" [106:38] >> Yeah. And it's quiet. It's quiet out [106:40] there because people are camping all [106:42] around you, but it's quiet. So like [106:44] you'll hear someone from not far away [106:45] just in his tent, you know, in the [106:48] middle of the night. [106:49] Some guy whacking off in the tent. [106:52] >> Whacking off at a is crazy. You could be [106:54] out there staring at the stars on acid, [106:56] but you're like, "No, one more nut. [106:57] >> I got to get in there." [107:00] >> Think about a girl you dated in high [107:02] school. [107:03] >> But we Yeah, but that was that's a cool [107:05] place to go out there. It's not It's [107:07] like 8 hours from here. We are denied [107:08] that image. Cities in as great as they [107:11] are, they've [ __ ] us and that we we [107:13] have a disconnect with the universe. [107:16] Now, you used to be able to every night [107:18] you would see that in the sky. [107:19] >> That would be what I would do for [107:21] entertainment if that was the sky in New [107:23] Jersey. I would sit out my backyard and [107:25] I would stare at that [ __ ] all night. [107:28] >> Yeah. [107:28] >> And you're and at the at the beginning [107:30] of the night, Saturn's there. And then [107:31] you think, I'll watch for another hour [107:33] and f five hours later, you're just [107:35] staring as this thing rotates and you [107:37] can see the Milky Way, which I'd never [107:39] seen before. [107:40] >> Yeah. [107:40] >> There was like little clusters of [ __ ] [107:42] that I'd never seen before. And you're [107:43] just [107:44] >> And the reason why you can't see it is [107:45] all just light pollution. [107:46] >> Yeah. [107:47] >> There was a a time when um we went out [107:51] to the Big Island to uh with my family [107:54] to the KEK Observatory. And this is I've [107:57] been there three times, Hawaii. [107:59] >> Yeah. But I've only seen it really once. [108:01] And uh the Big Island, you drive, you [108:04] actually drive through the clouds. Like [108:06] we as we were driving up to the [108:07] observatory, we're like, "Ah, [ __ ] It's [108:08] cloudy out. We're not going to see [ __ ] [108:10] This sucks. Let's just keep going." But [108:12] then as you keep going up the mountain, [108:13] you pop through the clouds. [108:14] >> Nice. [108:15] >> And then you get to this observatory and [108:17] the sky is magnificent. I caught it one [108:19] night where there was no moon out. And [108:21] that's what you want. Yeah. You want no [108:23] moon. And the sky was just littered with [108:26] stars. [108:26] >> Crazy. It seemed like we were on an [108:28] organic spaceship. That's what it seemed [108:30] like. It did not seem like we were on [108:32] Earth. It seemed like it was like a [108:34] convertible spaceship and we're flying [108:35] through the universe. It was incredible. [108:37] >> And then you don't realize then you go [108:39] back to your city stars and you're like, [108:41] "This is whack. This is not enough. [108:43] >> It's just not enough. [108:44] >> A couple little dots. It's not enough. [108:46] >> It's weird that weird tradeoff, but it's [108:48] like that weird trade-off has allowed us [108:50] to do so much, but yet it has [108:52] disconnected us from just our place in [108:55] the universe. It's very humbling and I [108:57] think that humbling thing is very [108:59] important to people just to put it all [109:00] into perspective to be able to see the [109:02] stars and go, "Wow, [109:04] wow. What the [ __ ] man?" And that's [109:06] just all you can see. This is just one [109:09] puny little galaxy. [109:11] >> Yeah, [109:11] >> that's hundreds of billions of galaxies [109:15] in an infinite universe. [109:18] >> It it can get a little thinking about it [109:20] can get a little heavy. [109:21] >> Oh yeah. [109:22] >> Cuz then you kind of start to go, why do [109:23] we care about anything? Right. [109:26] >> You know, [109:26] >> well, it's supposed to put it into [109:27] perspective when you're looking at [109:28] little tiny insignificant things that [109:30] are freaking you out. [109:31] >> Yeah. [109:32] >> You know, little weird things like, "Oh, [109:34] [ __ ] the guy at work, he's going to [109:35] [ __ ] me. I'm not going to get that [109:36] promotion." And you're all like, "Okay, [109:40] >> this is a bigger picture." There is a [109:41] way bigger picture than Safeway where I [109:44] work at or whatever, you know? [109:46] >> Yeah. Being upset that the Netflix [109:48] subscription's gone up or whatever, you [109:50] know, [109:51] >> whatever it is that's bothering you. [109:52] >> These goddamn liberals ruining the [109:54] country. Sure. Exactly. Star. So, we we [109:57] had a funny moment. We were all lying [109:58] out at this um just decked out looking [110:01] at the stars enjoying it. And we're [110:03] quiet cuz it's late at night. It's 2:00 [110:04] in the morning and just tents [110:05] everywhere. It's quiet as [ __ ] And Mike [110:08] Rainey, who's a comedian, he does Dad Me [110:09] podcast. He was like, "I'm going to bed, [110:11] guys. I'm off to bed." He gets into his [110:13] tent and it's quiet and I'm staring [110:14] there and you're thinking about like all [110:16] of the previous humans that have looked [110:18] at the same stars and that same thing. [110:20] And in the middle just out of his tent, [110:22] you just hear out of nowhere just [110:26] it's fun to stay at the what? And you [110:29] and [110:30] I mean that echoed through this why and [110:34] it just echoed through the [ __ ] [110:35] mountains. He had gotten into bed and [110:37] whatever way he opened up his phone but [110:38] there was no signal. One of the last [110:40] things on his timeline was the [ __ ] [110:42] YMCA song, which is when you excuse [110:45] yourself from a bunch of boys, look at [110:48] the stars, and get into a tent. And then [110:50] the loudest, most embarrassing, gayest [110:52] song of all time goes bellowing. Like [110:55] there was people in other tents. We were [110:57] crying, laughing so hard because we were [110:59] trying not to laugh but there was other [111:01] pe we could hear other people's tents [111:02] start to laugh because we we laughed for [111:05] 25 minutes crying [111:07] >> and we're like what the [ __ ] Mike and he [111:10] just he never said anything. He was too [111:12] embarrassed [111:13] >> and all Yeah. [111:14] >> H that's hilarious. [111:15] >> One of the most fun trips ever. [111:17] >> That song isn't it weird that that song [111:19] became a part of Trump's campaign? [111:21] >> Yeah. [111:22] >> How odd. Like I went to the [111:24] inauguration. One of the weird things [111:25] about the inauguration was that the [111:27] village people were performing at one of [111:29] the after parties. What's left of the [111:31] village people? Yeah. [111:32] >> Which one? [111:32] >> I don't know. Whatever ones are left. [111:34] >> What was he wearing? [111:34] >> The thing is like you could have a new [111:36] cop. You could have a new Nobody knows [111:38] who anybody is. [111:39] >> There's some purists out there. [111:41] >> There's a couple of [111:43] >> There's a couple of [111:44] >> village people in fish. [111:45] >> You guys, I saw what I Yeah, I saw the [111:46] village people. The real village people. [111:49] I saw them at their prime. Yeah. [111:51] >> Back in the 70s when they were all [111:53] alive. That's some [ __ ] gay orgy [111:55] thing going on. Yeah. [111:56] >> Yeah. It's fun to stay. [111:58] >> It became the anthem of of It's just a [112:00] gay anthem, I guess. [112:01] >> But it also became the anthem of the [112:03] Trump administration. Like he would go [112:05] out there and do a little dancing like [112:07] what? [112:08] >> Yeah. I don't know. [112:08] >> Junk man. [112:11] >> It's very weird, right? [112:12] >> Yeah. But see see his um Nicki Minaj's [112:15] ass thing going on now. No. [112:17] >> So Nicki Minaj is like a big Trump girl, [112:20] >> which is so odd. [112:21] >> Yeah. What do you think that's all [112:22] about? [112:24] >> Needs to sell [112:26] CDs or something. I don't know. Like, I [112:28] don't get it. Why? Why the [ __ ] would [112:30] Nicki Minaj Also, I'd be embarrassed to [112:32] bring her out and go, "Hey, look at this [112:34] [ __ ] Remember Nicki Minaj who used to [112:36] rap about having a fat ass 10 years ago? [112:38] She thinks I'm cool. That's like a [112:40] bizarre [ __ ] [112:42] >> It's like embarrassing. [112:43] >> If you're a fan of his, he'll take you [112:44] in." [112:45] >> But he brought her out and he's like, [112:46] "Nicki Minaj is great." She go He goes, [112:48] "She got a great ass." He goes, "Yeah." [112:50] He goes, "Can't miss that ass." He goes, [112:52] "Show them. Show them Nikki." And Nikki [112:53] got up and did a little Nikki did a [112:55] little [ __ ] spin for the crowd and [112:57] all the [112:58] >> Trump. Trump. [112:59] >> Oh my god. [113:01] >> He might be going for a third term with [113:03] Nikki's ass. [ __ ] vice president. [113:06] >> Well, there's people that think there's [113:07] some sort of a loophole, bro. I got a [113:09] piss. Let's uh let's come back. Come [113:10] back. Come back. We're back. [113:12] >> Nice. [113:12] >> And we're back. Where were we? YMCA. [113:17] >> Nicki Minaj's ass. Let me see that. Can [113:19] we see the video? Pull up Nikki's ass [113:20] there. [113:21] >> Did you see the breakup letter he wrote [113:23] to Bill Maher? [113:24] >> No, [113:26] Trump did. Trump pan the letter. [113:28] >> It's a breakup letter. It's like uh a [113:31] girl who got dumped like [ __ ] him and [113:33] he's always a loser and like that kind [113:35] of thing. It's really crazy. Well, Bill [113:37] Maher was like anti-Trump and then he [113:39] [ __ ] had dinner with him and then [113:40] he's [113:40] >> a couple times and had dinner with him [113:42] recently and then went on his show and I [113:47] guess he said some things about how [113:49] Trump is losing support in the polls or [113:52] whatever it was and Trump wrote this [113:54] long [ __ ] screed, this scroll that he [113:58] put on Truth Social about uh Bill [114:01] Maher's a [ __ ] loser and he was like [114:03] he was drunk at the White House. He [114:05] needed a drink. [114:07] It's just he he he is a gift that does [114:11] not stop giving even if you don't want [114:13] the gift, you know. [114:14] >> Well, there's there seems to be two [114:15] things. This doesn't have her in it, but [114:17] this is definitely a quote he said about [114:19] her from there. [114:21] >> I'm studying him and then I made the [114:22] mistake I told in fun. I said [114:27] I looked at his ass and I've never done [114:29] that with a man before. It's true. [114:33] Off the record, women Yes. men know. [114:35] Okay. [114:42] >> By the way, I looked at one hell of a [114:44] beautiful ass before Nicki Minaj. That [114:48] >> that [114:50] is so crazy. [114:51] >> That's hard to miss. [114:55] >> That's stand up. [114:57] That's hard to miss. [114:59] >> It's hard to miss. [115:01] >> Is she showing her ass to everybody? She [115:02] must be. [115:03] >> She's twerking or something over there. [115:08] that anaconda. [115:09] >> Okay, I'm gonna get back to my story, [115:10] Nick. I hope Nikki wasn't insulted, but [115:12] we love Nikki. [115:14] >> Love Nikki. [115:16] >> So crazy. [115:17] >> It's crazy that politicians used to be [115:19] so straight laced or like organized. [115:22] >> She's staring at her. [115:24] >> Oh yeah, [115:25] >> she's up there talking [115:26] >> in her custom [ __ ] Louis Vuitton. [115:31] >> The crazy thing is all politicians swear [115:33] now. [115:34] >> Do they? Yeah, they swear. That was [115:37] unheard of. You never heard a president [115:39] swear, [115:40] >> but now they all swear. It's super [115:42] common. [115:42] >> I don't like it. I like the idea of [115:44] having a politician who's [ __ ] [115:46] >> full of [ __ ] [115:47] >> Kind of straight. Yeah. [115:48] >> Full of [ __ ] [115:48] >> Full of [ __ ] Talk like a real But you [115:50] kind of like that kind of I I think the [115:53] guy in charge should be a little bit [115:54] [ __ ] [115:55] >> reserved. [115:56] >> Yeah. I don't want them writing letters [115:58] to Bill Maher. [115:59] >> To see the pull up the letter to Bill [116:01] Maher. It's crazy. [116:03] >> Yeah. [116:03] >> Way to read it. [ __ ] [116:04] >> it's so long. [116:06] >> The only files released are the letters. [116:09] >> I don't even think what Bill Maher said [116:11] was that bad. I think the the thing that [116:15] got him was saying that Trump lost all [116:18] of his support with the Republican party [116:21] and then he pulls up. [116:22] >> He's lost a lot. [116:24] >> Not according to him. According to him, [116:26] there's a CNN poll that says like 98% of [116:29] Republicans. [116:29] >> That's part of his magic though. [116:30] >> Yeah, [116:31] >> you can find a poll. Here it The polls [116:33] are fake. [116:33] >> Let's talk about this complete and total [116:35] loser. All caps, Bill Maher. Let's talk [116:38] about him. He got a low-rated show on [116:41] equally lowrated HBO, which was once [116:44] long ago a network of quality and [116:46] excitement. [116:48] But that's all gone. It's not hot all [116:51] caps anymore. [116:53] Mars friend and business associate Chuck [116:55] Leella was also a friend of mine. Worked [116:57] on the top hit show The Apprentice as a [116:59] gopher. And because of the success of [117:01] that show, number one and top rated on [117:04] many weeks, with the finale being among [117:07] the top shows of the year, he was [117:09] automatically and quickly brought up [117:11] through the ranks of NBC along with [117:13] everyone else associated with the [117:14] historic happening in all cap in u [117:17] quotes rather. I don't know why [117:19] happening is in quotes. The success of [117:21] the apprentice was so great that [117:23] everyone parttook it built many careers [117:26] and that is a wonderful thing. Some boy [117:28] this is wordy. Some people say it even [117:30] built my career because I became [117:32] president. I would have won without it. [117:34] Exclamation point. In any event, over [117:36] the last few years, LeBella would call [117:38] me non-stop and say hello, be very nice, [117:40] and tell me how much Bill Maher loves [117:42] and respects me and would constantly ask [117:44] of me, even before I was president, for [117:46] any form of meeting with Maher. And [117:49] would I do his show? When I became [117:51] president, I agreed to meet after the [117:54] first one and the last one, but never [117:56] agreed to do his show, which he wants me [117:58] to do desperately. All caps. It won't [118:01] happen. [118:03] When I have watched the show, which [118:04] isn't often, it always ends with [118:06] dishonesty about me at least. But who [118:10] cares? He doesn't think it was a good [118:12] thing to take the nuclear weapon away [118:14] from Iran, which shows you he's not very [118:16] smart. [118:19] If I allowed them to obtain a nuclear [118:21] weapon, the world would be a different [118:23] place right now. [118:25] Using fake polls. I like how he like [118:28] capitalizes fake and polls. [118:30] >> He also said I had my lowest rating so [118:32] far. Even the Republican party doesn't [118:35] like him in quotes, but that's not true. [118:38] I have high ratings. And more [118:40] importantly, he said that I'm losing the [118:41] support and approval of the Republican [118:43] party when in fact CNN just came out [118:46] with a poll showing them I am at 98 and [118:49] 99% rep support within the Republican [118:52] party and alltime record high all [118:56] capitalizes all capitalizes the T in [118:59] time the R and record and the H and high [119:02] which I don't understand Ronald Reagan [119:04] was at 86%. CNN's Harry Anton also said, [119:08] "I am the most influential president of [119:10] the last century." Is this after the [119:12] Ellison's bought CNN? [119:17] Uh, [119:18] >> okay. [119:19] >> On HBO, which is confusing why he's [119:20] talking [ __ ] but I [119:21] >> I mean, this he has a lot of time on his [119:24] hands. Uh CNN did another poll, the most [119:27] popular person in the history of the [119:28] Republican party and I won that too with [119:30] me being at 53%, Ronald Reagan being at [119:33] 18% and Abraham Lincoln being at 8%. [119:36] This is crazy. And these CNN polls, [119:39] people not exactly in love with me. So [119:41] Bill Maher lied, but his li but he lies [119:43] about everything. And I believe he lied [119:46] to me when I asked him with all the [119:48] applause and laughter he gets after [119:50] almost everything he says about things [119:52] that aren't funny or even good. What [119:54] laughter machine does he use? Laughter [119:57] and machine have capital L and a capital [120:00] M. Uh people can't think he's funny. [120:03] >> You might be right about that though cuz [120:04] >> you think there's a laugh track. [120:06] >> It's not funny. I know that. [120:08] >> Yeah, but people like love it and [120:11] they're there live and they get [120:12] enthusiastic. And if you ever been to a [120:14] live taping [120:14] >> Yeah. [120:15] >> live taping of the show, they have like [120:16] a person that does this thing. It says [120:18] applause and they have like a producer [120:20] with a headset on. It's like applaud [120:22] appla. Uh, okay. A laughter machine. Um, [120:27] about things that aren't funny or even [120:28] good. What laughter machine does he use? [120:30] I don't know Bill. He didn't know me. [120:33] And that was okay. I didn't know Bill. [120:35] He didn't know me. And that was okay. [120:36] Then Chuck Leella and my friend Kid Rock [120:39] called me incessantly about meeting with [120:42] Bill Mar. My first response was, [120:44] "Fellas, this guy's a goofball." They [120:45] said he wants to go down to the White [120:47] House, be with you, and talk. He said, [120:49] "You're smart, but you're not into the [120:52] liberal platform. Will you start [120:54] thinking about it?" He invited himself [120:55] to the White House. We had our first [120:58] meeting. Bill was very nervous. He asked [121:00] for a drink. He was very insecure. And [121:02] he had a seriously bruised eye and nose [121:05] area as though somebody had just beaten [121:07] him up. But it wasn't me. [121:10] What? No sooner had we had that first [121:14] dinner at the White House, which was [121:15] very a very seductive and beautiful [121:17] place, especially now that I've fully [121:19] renovated and fixed it in the style [121:20] which it deserves. [121:21] >> Thank God [121:22] >> Bill wanted to come back. [121:24] >> Uh the gopher called me many times, [121:27] multiple times, saying how much he loves [121:30] me and that he respects me more than [121:32] anybody and he wants to come back for a [121:34] second meeting. After 10 calls from [121:36] Chuck Leella, it seemed that these guys [121:38] were serious and wanted to learn more [121:41] because their policies are so bad. It's [121:43] ridiculous. Excl. Also, I wanted to tell [121:46] Bill that he has that he's a major [121:49] pthead. All caps. He's got to stop. It's [121:52] very bad for his health. This is a guy [121:54] spiraling. This is a guy that's eating [121:56] McDonald's all day. [121:57] >> He's walking around the room saying this [121:59] to someone typing it out and he's just [122:01] looking around. And another thing, [122:02] >> he looked like hell this time. Bill was [122:04] drunk and had alcohol in his hand as he [122:07] walked through the White House. Stephen [122:09] A. Smith and Kid Rock came along with [122:10] him. Overall, I thought it was a good [122:12] meeting. It didn't last four hours. It [122:14] lasted two hours, maybe less, and [122:16] everybody was happy. We have the time [122:18] stamps. I learned nothing and felt it [122:20] was a waste of time. After the first [122:22] dinner, Bill Maher was friendly. I guess [122:25] everyone walked away pleased. He gave me [122:26] a good first show with a lot of laughing [122:28] machine laughter and laughing machine [122:31] and laughing and machine. The L and M [122:34] are are capitalized which is a real [122:36] term. Uh [122:38] but it is what it is. And then he [122:40] reverted back to his former self and his [122:42] old ways. I understand that he's doing [122:46] his thing. I never took it personally. [122:48] I'd always mock his low ratings whenever [122:50] I heard. He's not a nice guy and what he [122:53] spouts isn't what he believes. He has to [122:55] cater to his base, which is mostly [122:56] composed of losers. There's a capital L [122:59] in losers and people who don't like [123:01] working. [123:04] It's why for so long I didn't get [123:06] another call from Chuck Leella and I [123:08] didn't miss him one bit. After the [123:10] second dinner, Bill's show in quotes was [123:13] far worse than the first. He went crazy. [123:16] He's gutless because he enjoyed every [123:18] minute. Also, I am not building a [123:20] swimming pool in the White House [123:21] briefing room and never had any [123:23] intention of doing so. I am thinking [123:25] about moving the press and putting them [123:27] in a different location, but I will use [123:29] that location for very badly needed [123:31] space. Bill also attacked our great [123:34] Republican candidates when he knows my [123:36] endorsement record is 98% in the House [123:38] and 100% in the Senate. So, how can he [123:41] make a false statement like this? These [123:42] statistics are facts, all caps, and he [123:46] should speak about them. But he won't [123:48] because he's very unfair. Exclamation [123:50] point. [123:51] >> Caroline Levit was great. This is so [123:53] worthy on the show. But he started a bi [123:56] but he he started with a biased dumb [123:59] sleas bag all caps asking questions. She [124:01] defended me and herself so well but [124:04] couldn't be comfortable going against [124:05] lie after lie capital L in lies. Uh, [124:10] importantly, Bill lied about all the [124:12] illegal voters in the radical [124:14] controlled, decrepit, and devastated [124:16] state of California. Just in the last [124:18] few days alone, they found 20,000 and [124:21] the number could easily go to over 1 [124:23] million. There are so many falsehoods, [124:25] Bill spewed. But I won't waste time in [124:28] factchecking all caps him. He isn't [124:31] worth it. Bill, don't call me anymore. [124:34] It's useless. and tell Chuck Lebella not [124:37] to call so much and say how much you [124:39] love Trump all caps in quotes and want [124:42] to get together because you're a [124:43] hopeless guy who is just trying to cater [124:46] to your small group of fans in quotes. [124:48] You're also a coward who is afraid to [124:51] tell the truth about how well our [124:52] country is running because of your few [124:54] fans in quotes and how badly the d [124:57] democrats have done almost destroying [125:01] the USA. If I hadn't won the election, [125:03] it would be dead. All caps. Also, turn [125:06] your laughing machine off. It's a joke. [125:09] When they laugh uncontrollably, even [125:11] when you said nothing funny, and I'm [125:13] going to have have the Republicans not [125:15] cover you anymore because they try to [125:17] talk about you as a guy who is [125:19] transformative. You're not [125:21] transformative. You're a loser. Capital [125:23] L and loser. I never watched your show [125:26] much, but I will never watch it again [125:28] because it's nothing more than fake [125:30] news. all caps that America and the [125:32] world is unfortunately subjected to. [125:34] Thank you for your attention to this [125:36] matter. President Donald J. Trump has [125:40] 4.64,000 [125:42] retruths. [125:44] >> Nice. [125:45] >> At the time, I'm sure more now. [125:46] >> Sure. [125:47] >> Where that like there's got to be just [125:50] questions about how much time he has [125:53] >> to write that. There's such a minor [125:56] thing and everyone just goes, but I [125:58] think the people around him probably [125:59] just go, he'll be distracted for a [126:00] couple of hours. Let him go. Let him [126:01] work on his little blog. [126:03] >> Let him go work on his little blog and [126:05] just and we'll try correct the decisions [126:07] he made earlier today. [126:08] >> I think he gets very upset when people [126:12] talk about the polls. [126:13] >> Do you think the person writing it knows [126:15] what to capitalize or [126:17] >> I think he has to go back through and be [126:19] like capitalize that, capitalize that. [126:21] >> Capitalize the yell and lies. [126:22] >> Nope. You didn't get losers right. [126:24] Capitalize losers. [126:25] >> Guess at the end. Did I mention the [126:26] laughter track yet? [126:27] >> Put fans in quotes. [126:28] >> Maybe they didn't get [126:29] >> the laugh machine. [126:30] >> Yeah. [126:31] >> I just don't know why. Um I mean that's [126:34] not something I would ever do. I don't [126:36] understand. [126:37] >> He balances his time [126:39] >> oddly. Yeah. Well, how much he must have [126:42] a lot of time cuz did hasn't his like [126:44] net worth like quadrupled in the last [126:47] two years? [126:48] >> Well, it's definitely gone up with the [126:50] coin, right? The Trump coin. [126:52] But but I think across the board he's [126:54] his his money's going up. So he must [126:56] have a lot of time to be president and [126:58] also become 5x's billions. [127:01] >> Well, I would imagine he has people [127:02] doing that too, right? Yeah. [127:04] >> And that's probably why some of it is [127:06] >> that's that's the best thing about [127:07] America is that like a lot of countries [127:08] would probably have it so that the most [127:10] powerful man couldn't get become grow [127:13] that much in wealth. [127:14] >> Well, it should be the case with the [127:16] entire government that they shouldn't be [127:17] able to profit off of it. His net worth [127:19] has increased an estimated 2.7 billion [127:22] to 4.1 billion since winning the 2024 [127:25] presidential election, bringing his [127:27] total net worth to roughly 6.4 billion. [127:30] That's a lie. It's more than that. [127:32] >> See, [127:33] >> um, see, I don't know what that is. Um, [127:37] how much of it is stuff that I would [127:39] disagree with. Right. So, the the the [127:42] memecoin's crazy. The memecoin, [127:44] >> it was like a pump and dump essentially, [127:46] wasn't it? [127:46] >> Yeah. They all Hunter Biden just did one [127:49] of those. [127:50] >> Yeah, [127:50] >> they all do it. I mean, if you're going [127:52] to put out a [ __ ] meme coin that I [127:54] mean, they're almost all pump and dumps [127:56] and even if they're not like whoever's [127:59] putting money into it, they're pumping [128:01] it up and with the idea that it's going [128:04] to hit a peak and they got to know when [128:05] to bail. [128:06] >> Yeah. [128:06] >> It's like everyone's doing that. It's a [128:08] Ponzi scheme. [128:09] >> Yeah. Yeah. [128:10] >> And the president did it and [128:11] >> it's also I think it's a way to launder [128:14] money. Um, so like [128:17] >> is that better? [128:18] >> So this is one of the things that Hunter [128:19] Biden was accused of with his his [128:21] artwork. [128:22] >> And so he was selling his and I use [128:24] artwork in quotes like Trump would use [128:26] it. His artwork was selling for like a [128:29] half a million dollars for a painting. [128:31] >> And you look at the painting like what [128:32] the [ __ ] is that? [128:33] >> Yeah, [128:33] >> this is who the [ __ ] is paying a half a [128:35] million dollars for this? [128:36] >> If you wanted to give someone money, [128:40] >> but you couldn't just legally give them [128:42] money. What you could do was say, "Why [128:44] don't you draw a picture? Draw me piece [128:46] of [ __ ] [128:46] >> I'll buy that picture." And that's all [128:48] you have to do. [128:49] >> Yeah. [128:50] >> And that's the same thing like with a [128:52] memecoin. So, let's let's say we're [128:55] going to do a Colin coin, right? [128:56] >> Let's do it. Let's launch it. Let's do [128:57] it. We're going to launch it, right? [128:59] >> That's unofficial, by the way. [129:00] >> Someone will probably do it. They'll [129:01] probably do it. There's millions of [129:03] >> Well, you know, I have to go buy it now. [129:04] >> Yeah. There you go. Buy column coin. So [129:08] if you wanted to do that, the way those [129:10] coins work is there's an initial [129:12] investment that that goes in. So you get [129:14] a bunch of people that to invest actual [129:16] real money in this coin, right? And then [129:18] there's a bunch of people buy into the [129:20] coin. So they buy the coin. [129:21] >> Yeah. [129:21] >> So if you're a person that uh like if I [129:25] wanted to bribe you, right? And I said, [129:27] uh, listen, what we're gonna do is we're [129:29] gonna start this memecoin, and, uh, my [129:32] country is gonna put in $300 million [129:35] into this memecoin, and this country is [129:37] going to put in X, that's going to put, [129:39] and and then, you know, once it gets to [129:40] a certain level, we're'll pull out, you [129:43] going to be worth billions. [129:45] >> And then you say yes to that. And [129:48] whether you're Hunter Biden or whether [129:50] you're Trump or a wide variety of people [129:52] have done these things. This the Hawka [129:54] lady did it. Yeah. Right. She had one [129:56] and I think she she legitimately I think [129:58] was unsophisticated and didn't really [130:00] know what was going on. They rug pulled [130:01] her [130:02] >> but I think I don't know what I'm just [130:04] being nice. Um but [130:06] >> I'm being nice by calling her a stupid [130:07] idiot. [130:08] >> Well, a young kid. She's [ __ ] 20 [130:10] years old. [130:10] >> I also I think so. I actually agree. [130:12] >> I would have been completely [ __ ] if [130:14] that [130:14] >> she's not around anymore. So that's kind [130:15] of [130:15] >> She is around. Is she? [130:16] >> I thought she I thought she like went [130:18] back to working in [ __ ] Wendy's or [130:20] >> Instagram. Yeah, she's still out there. [130:22] >> She still h she still spitting on that [130:23] thing? [130:24] >> I don't know. She don't spit like she [130:25] used to [130:26] >> now that she's rich. [130:27] >> Silk sheets and the whole deal. [130:28] >> Oh, these [ __ ] get rich and they stop [130:30] spitting. [130:30] >> They stop spitting. [130:31] >> It's a great [130:32] >> more sophisticated now. [130:33] >> Big [ __ ] Yeah. [130:34] >> Yeah. You got caviar in your teeth. [130:37] >> But the point is you could put a bunch [130:40] of money into a meme coin. That person [130:42] gets the meme coins and then pulls that [130:44] money out and then that's legal. You see [130:46] what I'm saying? [130:47] >> Yeah. [130:47] >> And so that's a way to give someone [130:48] money. [130:49] >> It's all legal and we all just kind of [130:50] tolerate it, I guess. [130:52] >> Well, it's weird. The the whole memecoin [130:55] market is weird. Like who's who's [130:57] running out the door to put all their [130:59] life savings into the Melania coin. [131:02] >> Yeah. [131:03] >> It's an odd It's an odd thing. [131:05] >> The guys who know the sus. [131:07] >> Yeah. Guys know that like there's a way [131:09] somebody made money. Some people made [131:12] money. And clearly he made money. Like [131:14] what does it say Trump made his money [131:15] from? [131:16] >> Cryptocurrency. [131:17] >> Cryptocurrency. [131:18] Yeah. [131:19] >> Nice. [131:20] >> Fake money. Why can't you [131:22] >> why can't you be president and and earn [131:24] $2 billion on the side a little a little [131:27] passive income? [131:28] >> Well, the weird thing is the it's legal. [131:30] This is the thing. So, he's done nothing [131:32] wrong in terms of the eye of the law. [131:35] This is the fact he is a businessman. [131:37] >> In the eye of society, we kind of [131:38] understand that this is a kind of a [131:40] conflict of interest, right? [131:42] >> For sure. Not not something that looks [131:45] good to the average person that this guy [131:47] is making billions of dollars from being [131:50] a the idea the the the what we would [131:53] hope this is the thing that we the goal [131:55] that we would strive for is to have [131:57] someone who's a president and what they [131:59] really want only is for the good of the [132:02] American people. [132:02] >> That person would be shot early on. [132:05] Sorry, that's not that's not what this [132:06] is. Sorry. [132:06] >> They don't want that person to be making [132:08] billions while they're in office. [132:09] >> But you also that person will run on [132:12] honesty. They'll lose an election and [132:14] then next election they'll they'll lie [132:16] through their [ __ ] teeth because they [132:17] go, "I lost it on honesty before. and [132:19] now I'm corrupt. You'll get voted out if [132:21] you turn around and go, "Hey, evidence [132:22] sucks and it's going to suck for a long [132:24] time." [132:24] >> Here's an interesting stuff that I just [132:27] found out here. [132:28] >> It says, "Trump making money from crypto [132:30] is not automatically illegal, even while [132:33] president." Yeah. But particular details [132:36] could be unlawful if they involve [132:38] bribery or prohibitive benefits from [132:40] foreign government. [132:41] >> All right. So kind of he lives in that [132:43] space though where is it illegal? [132:44] >> Right. So it's now a concrete legal [132:47] challenge. October 20. 22nd 2026 federal [132:51] civil lawsuit alleges that Trump [132:53] unlawfully benefited from two UAE linked [132:57] world liberty financial transactions a [133:00] $500 million purchase a 49% stake by an [133:03] entity backed by UAE national security [133:06] adviser Shik Taknun [133:08] bin Zed al- Nah how do you say that na [133:12] >> I couldn't [133:14] uh $2 billion purchase of world liberty [133:16] USD1 stable coin by an Abu Dhabi [133:20] investment fund chaired by Takmoon. Uh [133:24] the transaction amount is not the same [133:27] as Trump's personal profit. Lawsuit [133:29] alleges unconstitutional foreign [133:33] >> emolments [133:34] >> emulments emoleuments [133:36] >> amaluments and seeks discourse [133:39] disclosure rather and return of [133:41] allegedly unlawful profits. [133:45] So what is it's unlawful that the Abu [133:48] Dhabi shake [133:51] put bought into it? Is that what's [133:53] unlawful? [133:54] >> I believe so. Foreign entity. [134:00] >> You know, I'm just going to stick to [134:02] stand up [134:02] >> including main financial conflict [134:04] provision that means a financial [134:06] interest that will require an [134:07] extraordinary executive branch official [134:09] to step aside does not automatically [134:11] create the same statutory violation for [134:13] the president. That exemption is written [134:15] into law. It isn't unique to Trump, but [134:18] it's not a blanket exemption from [134:19] anti-cor corruption law or the [134:21] constitution. Okay, look at the whole [134:24] [ __ ] crypto world is weird. They try [134:26] to get us to do a cryptocoin. They're [134:28] they contact [134:29] >> Joecoin [134:30] >> and what the a JRE coin or something [134:32] like [ __ ] off. Like what are you talking [134:33] about? That's not real money. Like what [134:35] are we doing here? But it's a loophole. [134:37] >> It's a loophole. And this this is this [134:39] is the thing. Like if it's legal, like [134:43] would if you can do it and you're a [134:45] businessman, your guy would like that's [134:47] your whole thing. Make make as much [134:48] money as possible. It's clearly a big [134:50] part of his whole thing is to make a ton [134:52] of money and you can make the money and [134:54] he's like, I'm still doing great for the [134:55] country. [134:56] >> Yeah. [134:57] >> Get a little for myself on the side. [134:59] >> Yeah. I don't know. I think we've had [135:01] our fill of Trump though. That Trump was [135:03] a lot of fun and now it's kind of just [135:04] it's my whole time living here has been [135:06] pretty much just dominated by Trump. And [135:08] I feel like it's like things need to [135:11] >> Well, I think [135:12] >> mix things up a little. [135:13] >> Things like that letter to Bill Maher [135:15] are not the best. Like that's that's not [135:18] a good look. [135:19] >> One of the worst things he's ever done. [135:23] >> That's the worst thing I've I've seen. [135:24] Yeah. I got out of it though. I got [135:26] sucked in. remember with the Iran [135:28] [ __ ] uh war and invasion or whatever [135:31] way you want to call it and I was like [135:32] listening to [ __ ] just too much like [135:34] Fentes and Dave Smith all day and I I [135:35] just had to kind of just turn my phone [135:37] off one day [135:38] >> went [ __ ] out into the woods and [135:40] stuff. [135:41] >> But then there's two arguments, right? [135:42] If you turn turn your phone off and [135:43] don't pay attention, then all the [135:45] craziness just keeps going on and your [135:47] life eventually gets affected by it [135:48] because they start bombing us. [135:49] >> Sure. [135:50] >> Like you know that maybe it's better to [135:52] pay attention and to just keep your eye [135:54] on whatever the [ __ ] is boiling. Uh, [135:56] when does bombs dropping? I'll [ __ ] [135:59] put on a little frantas and find out [136:01] what's going on. [136:02] >> Well, a lot of people are worried that [136:03] after the midterms, so when the midterms [136:06] are over, that that's when they're going [136:07] to start doing more [ __ ] in Iran. [136:09] >> Okay. [136:09] >> That this isn't done yet. [136:10] >> Have I drank all that on you? [136:11] >> No, bro. [136:14] >> Um, but there's a lot of people that [136:16] believe that that it's all going to [136:18] start popping off again in Iran cuz it's [136:20] like it's not resolved. [136:22] >> No. [136:22] >> I mean, they have to have people [136:24] >> Yeah. a real blunder, a real disaster of [136:26] the situation. It doesn't look good. [136:28] It's actually kind of kind of pathetic [136:29] actually, honestly, on a world scale. [136:31] Doesn't look good for America to not be [136:33] able to just wipe out [ __ ] country. [136:35] >> Well, it's not just that. It just [136:36] doesn't seem like it was something that [136:38] was it. Every other president was the [136:42] attempt to talk them into doing this. [136:45] >> Yeah. [136:45] >> They tried to talk Obama into doing it. [136:47] They tried to talk Biden into doing it. [136:49] Nobody did it. [136:49] >> Who's there? [136:51] Whoever wants us to bomb Iran that might [136:53] live in Israel. [136:56] >> Not saying anything. It could be it [136:57] could be them. It could have been the [136:58] Swedes. It could be anyone. [137:00] >> Well, it could have been the Russians. [137:02] >> Yeah. Uhhuh. [137:03] >> That's a that's a fun one. They always [137:05] like to blame everything on the [137:06] Russians. [137:06] >> Yeah. [137:07] >> Yeah. Um, you know, look this the thing [137:11] that disappoints everybody who supported [137:13] Trump before he got into office was one [137:15] of his big things that everybody agreed [137:16] with was no more war. [137:17] >> Yeah. [137:18] >> Like please, that sounds great. no more [137:20] war. Because we keep thinking like why [137:23] we involve these unnecessary wars [137:25] because we always assume there's so much [137:27] money involved in politics because the [137:29] military-industrial complex has a huge [137:31] amount of cash. They influence [137:32] politicians. They influence policy. They [137:35] need more war so they could sell more [137:37] weapons. [137:38] >> Yeah. [137:39] >> Yeah. It's like that's like this is the [137:41] feeling of exhaustion where it's like [137:42] I'm going to turn this off. I'm going to [137:44] go to Alaska. I'm going to see some [137:45] [ __ ] beers. I'm going I'm doing a [137:48] weekend of shows in Anchorage and I'm [137:50] hoping to go to uh Catmy National Park. [137:53] Do you know it? Where the beers like [137:54] catch the salmon coming out of [ __ ] [137:57] >> I'm going in September. So like the it's [137:59] a little different. But [138:01] >> is it past the salmon run by then? [138:03] >> It's over. So they they they go to a [138:05] different section. They're not jumping [138:06] out and they're catching them out, but [138:08] they still catch the salmon at a [138:09] different section. So I'm hoping to go [138:10] out there and camp overnight. But they [138:12] you camp in a in like a fenced off [138:14] electric uh gate type of thing, but you [138:17] camp out there. Have you ever been over [138:18] there to do any of that? [138:19] >> I've been to Anchorage. Ari and I went [138:20] over there and we went salmon fishing. [138:22] Yeah, we went salmon. We we had a [138:24] two-day thing. Look at that. That's [138:26] nuts. [138:26] >> So, I got a I got a trip. I'm doing a [138:28] bunch of shows. Uh column.com for all my [138:31] tickets. Oh, check out the special, by [138:32] the way. Sorry, just to interrupt, but a [138:34] new special right now on YouTube called [138:35] Bells and Whistles. Please check it out. [138:36] Leave a comment if you like. Anyway, [138:38] back to the grizzly bears. Yeah, this is [138:40] what I'm going to go do and take photos [138:41] of beers. Um, but it's like there's a [138:45] limited amount of spaces. So, they have [138:47] like cabins, but the cabins are like [138:49] $700 a night or something. Or you can [138:51] sit in a tent with the beers for $12 a [138:54] night. And I go, I'll I'll do that. [138:56] >> Well, that's the more authentic [138:58] experience. You don't want to be behind [138:59] a door. [139:00] >> But these beers are so wellfed that they [139:02] they have no interest in [139:04] >> Yeah. [139:04] >> I just watched the thing about the lions [139:06] in [ __ ] is it Botswana? Do you know [139:08] the guy on Instagram, Grizzly Guy or [139:11] Grizzly Guy? And he has this cool He [139:13] does these shows. I think they're called [139:16] Endless Venture. Yeah. And he goes all [139:18] over the world. He just they just did a [139:19] thing in in um the uh the Tundra up in [139:23] [ __ ] Alaska where it was like 24-hour [139:25] sunlight and they went looking for [139:26] grizzly bears or polar bears. Real [139:28] fascinating stuff. But they went on a [139:30] trip to Botswana and the lions there are [139:33] so wellfed that the lions won't attack [139:36] you as a human. So, they had this cool [139:39] Yeah, this guy's [ __ ] awesome. I love [139:41] this fella. [139:42] >> Um, [139:43] >> wow. He's just hanging out with lions. [139:45] And they'll so they'll sit down and they [139:46] get into a decent like non-threatening [139:48] position and they put out like a call [139:50] like an injured something and then this [139:52] pack of and you see the lions just [139:54] slowly spread out and they all follow [139:56] the main [ __ ] leader and then they he [139:58] gets right up to them and then they see [140:00] them and they stare at each other and [140:01] everyone's quiet and they stare for like [140:03] five minutes and then the lion goes and [140:05] just sort of plops down and they're just [140:07] sitting there surrounded by a pride of [140:09] [ __ ] lions in the middle of uh this [140:12] delta whatever it's called the oak or [140:14] something delta. [140:15] where like it's one of the wildest that [140:17] the and they sleep at night. They camp [140:19] and they have to keep the fire on all [140:20] night so that elephants don't trample [140:22] them in the thing. So like someone's job [140:24] is to wake up every hour to keep the [140:26] lion the elephants away. That's what I [140:28] want to do. [140:29] >> You just hear them in the middle of the [140:30] night. [140:33] >> Yeah. And you could probably feel them [140:36] walking around. [140:36] >> That's a mountain. [140:37] >> Just showing you got one. [140:39] >> This is the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [140:40] >> Oh, so he's done does a bunch of stuff [140:42] like this. Yeah. I think he was on my [140:44] friend Cam Haynes's show. [140:45] >> He's cool. I want to I'd love I'd love [140:47] to [ __ ] do something with him [140:48] someday. This is a like they went out to [140:51] >> Well, I bet he'll reach out. You can go [140:53] do something. [140:54] >> Please reach out and bring me to [140:55] somewhere really scary. And [140:57] >> that's really what you like to do, huh? [140:58] >> That's That's all I want to do. [141:00] >> Yeah. [141:00] >> Yeah. I don't know why. I'm just [141:01] obsessed with it right now. Getting out [141:03] there and seeing animals and [141:05] >> Oh, it's very exciting. [141:06] >> Yeah. I think I got into it through [141:08] birds. I got into start getting into [141:09] birds. Birding. [141:11] >> Birding. Birding is the most fun thing. [141:14] >> So, you're one of those guys that buys [141:15] the binoculars and stares at the trees. [141:17] >> Yeah. [141:17] >> We always I'm really bad on I get it, [141:21] too. It's kind of little gay. [141:22] >> Well, there's two groups of guys who buy [141:24] high-end binoculars. [141:26] >> Yeah. [141:26] >> And the biggest market is actually [141:28] birders. The second biggest market is [141:30] hunters. [141:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I there's a [141:34] lot of kind of similarities between I [141:36] guess just tracking a bird to shoot it [141:38] with a camera or and tracking an animal [141:40] to shoot it with a a gun. There's a lot [141:42] of knowledge you have to learn the [141:45] calls, the [ __ ] the wind directions [141:47] and things like that. I don't think [141:48] that's as true with birds, but certainly [141:50] if you want to take a photo of like an [141:51] animal, you you got to do the same [141:53] thing. [141:54] >> Well, just seeing them in their natural [141:56] habitat is very exciting, especially [141:58] it's a rare bird. [141:59] >> The thing about the birds are [142:00] everywhere. That's why I think most [142:01] people would rather be into more uh [142:04] mammals running around, but there's none [142:06] around. So, but the birds are in your [142:08] [ __ ] garden. And it's cool to look [142:10] out and go, I recognize that bird or I [142:12] recognize a call. [142:13] >> My friend Tommy has this uh bird feeder [142:16] and it's hooked up to a camera that has [142:18] AI. [142:19] >> Yeah. [142:19] >> And so the AI camera takes a photo of [142:22] the birds when they show up and then [142:24] tells him, sends it to his phone, tells [142:26] him what kind of bird it is. [142:27] >> I got them. [142:28] >> You got that? [142:28] >> Yeah, of course. [142:30] You kidding me? What? Which ones you [142:32] got? The problem is you get too many [142:33] alerts though cuz I get a bing bing bing [142:35] bing. [142:35] >> And where do you have your camera set up [142:37] in New York City? [142:38] >> Yeah, in in New Jersey at my in-laws [142:41] house cuz they live out closer to the [142:42] woods. I set it up there and you and I [142:43] remember like I remember seeing one day [142:45] like accidentally a hummingbird landed [142:47] on the water because a hummingbird [142:49] shouldn't have been there. But I got it [142:50] and I was able to write it on my list of [142:51] all the birds that I've seen. [142:53] >> Oh, you make a list. [142:54] >> Yeah, I'm a little [ __ ] [ __ ] [142:55] Yeah. [142:55] >> Wow. [142:57] But from there that I just wanted to [142:59] take an interest in what I'm hearing. [143:01] >> Mhm. [143:01] >> When I'm sitting around reading a book [143:03] or whatever, what what is that and why [143:05] is that and what are they saying? And [143:07] then once you start to do that, [143:08] >> I started getting more into animals and [143:10] now I'm just hiking and camping and [143:12] [ __ ] [143:12] >> One of the things you'll see when you go [143:13] to Alaska is eagles. Those are They're [143:16] like pigeons up there. It's crazy. [143:17] They're everywhere. [143:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. The eagles are [ __ ] cool. [143:20] We saw some eagles in Montana when we [143:22] were fishing. Just big [ __ ] guys. [143:24] >> Wild. [143:25] >> Yeah. And they just fly around. I got [143:26] these amazing videos of [ __ ] these [143:29] huge birds flying around, [143:30] >> snatching fish right out of the water [143:32] and flying off of them. [143:33] >> Yeah, it's like the most enjoyable thing [143:35] you can ever do is witness that. [143:37] >> That's so interesting that you're so [143:38] into nature. [143:39] >> That's all I want to do is just kind of [143:41] go turn my phone off and go [ __ ] [143:43] hiking and maybe if I'm lucky ever see a [143:45] mountain line somehow. I reckon if you [143:47] see a mountain line might be too late, [143:48] but you know, [143:49] >> I've seen a few. [143:50] >> You've seen them in California? [143:52] >> I saw one of them in California. It was [143:54] in uh Santa Barbara actually. We were in [143:56] Monaceto and we were driving down the [143:58] street and I saw this thing running [144:00] across the road. I said, "Oh, is it a [144:01] coyote?" And I saw the tail. See that [144:04] wavy like, "Oh [ __ ] that's a cat." [144:06] >> And you realize, "Oh my god, it's a [144:07] mountain line." We just saw a mountain [144:09] line run across the street in a really [144:11] nice residential community. Like [144:13] Monaceto is gorgeous. [144:14] >> Yeah. [144:15] >> Like beautiful old homes and mountain [144:16] lines. I wonder how close they get cuz I [144:18] was thinking about when we were camping [144:19] like cuz there's definitely mountain [144:21] lines in that region of big bands but [144:23] they [144:24] >> generally they avoid people [144:25] >> but I wonder how close like at night [144:27] when we're seeing like truly I know they [144:30] avoid them but is it by miles is it you [144:33] know [144:33] >> no they don't need to be miles away from [144:35] you. I mean, you can't they know where [144:37] you are. [144:37] >> We heard we heard some noises of [144:39] something growling out there. When we [144:41] were watching the sunset, you could hear [144:43] something animal. It could have been [144:44] anything, but you just It's late at [144:46] night and then you just hear kind of a [144:49] and you're like, "What was that? What [144:50] could have that been?" [144:51] >> Yeah. They have a crazy sound that they [144:53] make. Mountain lions. It's really weird. [144:55] >> Yeah. [144:55] >> See if you can find mountain lion cries. [144:58] It's very strange. Very strange sound. [145:01] >> Yeah. [145:01] >> Yeah. [145:02] >> I I don't even remember. [145:03] >> Foxes make a weird noise, too. There's [145:04] an animal. I just saw a I can't remember [145:06] now, but I just saw a clip of an animal [145:08] where when they let off a noise at [145:09] night, it's like sounds like a man in [145:11] pain screaming. There's like I just saw [145:13] this like two days ago AND IT'S [145:15] LITERALLY LIKE and like so it's like it [145:26] >> that's a mountain line. [145:28] >> It's dark out and you hear that you're [145:30] like, "Oh my god, we're going to die." [145:32] >> Yeah. And you're lost cuz you're [145:34] >> Oh my god. [145:35] >> You can't figure out how to read the [145:36] map. [145:38] >> Your phone died by [145:39] >> You're almost out of water. [145:40] >> You promised your wife it's right up [145:41] here. I swear. [145:43] >> Yeah. [145:47] >> [ __ ] [145:48] >> Yeah. How would you How could you sleep? [145:50] I can't. [145:50] >> Have you ever been hunting? [145:51] >> No, I've not. While I was saying that, [145:52] I'm planning a hunting trip to Ireland. [145:54] My cousin uh he's like a YouTuber now [145:56] and he he posts these videos. Kronone, [145:58] if you can give him some support. H but [146:00] he he hunts deer. Say that in a way that [146:03] people are going to be able to write it [146:04] down. [146:04] >> Cotle, which is spelled C A T H A L. [146:10] Cotle. Cotle, but the T is silent. [146:12] >> Okay. [146:13] >> Cole Rowan. W O W A N. [146:16] >> So he's got a YouTube channel now and [146:18] been watching it. But he goes out [146:19] hunting. But he he he goes out in the [146:22] morning and he'll have like a big tripod [146:23] and he [ __ ] sets it up and he's [146:25] [ __ ] and he's killing these deer. [146:27] There he is. Yeah, [146:28] >> there he is. [146:28] >> You're welcome, you little prick. He's [146:30] only got 70 725 followers right now. See [146:33] how many he gets. [146:34] >> He's doing his That'd be so funny. Now [146:35] he he has a million by tomorrow and I [146:37] have nothing. [146:40] >> It'd be so funny. But we're going to go [146:42] hunting next year cuz So he knows all [146:44] this [ __ ] about the deer and there he is [146:46] with my uncle out there. [146:47] >> I didn't know there was a lot of um [146:48] >> there's a lot of deer hunting. It's not [146:50] elk. I know that. [146:52] >> No, I don't think they have. [146:52] >> But you know, Ireland had this thing [146:54] called the Irish elk. It's the biggest [146:56] >> biggest deer species ever. They were [146:58] huge. Do you know they found their [147:00] antlers accidentally? Like people pulled [147:01] them up when they were fishing? [147:03] >> No, I didn't. [147:03] >> Cooked them like like fossilized. [147:05] They're like bigger than you could ever [147:06] imagine. Bigger than any moose. Insane. [147:09] >> Yeah, it was a huge huge animal. [147:10] >> It's an interesting because a lot of [147:11] Irish history we I guess like everyone [147:13] we just don't really know what's going [147:14] on. Like there's a certain timeline [147:17] where everything is like [147:18] >> that's what it looks like. That's an [147:19] Irish elk skull. Irish [147:20] >> elk. Crazy. That's found in a lock. [147:22] >> It's like the biggest kind of deer [147:24] species animal ever. Is it correct? [147:26] >> Yeah, it was enormous. But we had beers [147:28] too that that's crazy. [147:30] >> We had beers that we killed out before [147:33] they started documenting anything [147:35] because they find these beer bones that [147:37] have been carved up and stuff. So [147:38] whatever humans were living in Ireland [147:40] kill these guys off [147:42] >> maybe naturally from the climate change [147:44] and two or whatever. But there was [147:45] definitely [147:46] >> probably killing them. [147:47] >> It was it was co we were co living [147:49] together at the same time and now [147:50] they're gone. [147:52] >> We used to have wolves. I think they [147:53] reintroduced the wolves. We we killed [147:54] them off and then they brought them [147:55] back. [147:56] >> What a good idea. bring them back. [147:57] >> I guess if there's regions where it's [147:59] not going to really be too much [148:01] farmland, I guess a couple of wolves are [148:03] kind of kind of cool. [148:04] >> They're a problem. [148:06] >> Yeah, [148:06] >> they breed and then they're smart and [148:08] they figure out what to do. Colorado's [148:10] the they had the most [ __ ] decision. [148:12] They brought wolves and they [148:14] reintroduced them right outside of [148:15] Aspen. [148:17] >> Okay. So, [148:17] >> and they dropped them off. Some of them [148:19] they dropped off on my friend's ranch. [148:21] And so this ranch is uh he doesn't run [148:23] any livestock, but he's connected to [148:25] other ranches that run livestock. And so [148:27] these wolves are now killing all these [148:30] cows and yeah, calves. [148:32] >> That's why we killed them off, I think, [148:33] in the first place, wasn't it? 100%. It [148:35] wasn't that they were necessarily [148:36] killing us. It was that they [148:37] >> they were killing us, too. [148:38] >> The wolves were taking us, too. [148:39] >> Do you know the story from World War I? [148:41] It's a great story. [148:42] >> Do not please. [148:43] >> The the Germans and the Russians had a [148:45] ceasefire because so many of them were [148:47] getting killed by wolves. They had a [148:49] ceasefire where they decided, "We're [148:51] going to kill the wolves, then we'll go [148:52] back to killing each other." [148:53] >> Yeah. Is that true? This is like when [148:55] they played soccer at [ __ ] New Year [148:56] on Christmas Eve. [148:57] >> That's a different one. I think that was [148:59] Wasn't that the British and the Germans? [149:00] >> Yeah, the British did they apparently on [149:02] Christmas day, they stopped and had a [149:03] little kicker bell and then they went [149:04] back to shooting each other after that. [149:06] I don't know. I think that's a myth. [149:07] >> No, it's not a myth. It's real. [149:08] >> No, the soccer one I'm saying. [149:09] >> I don't think it's a myth. No, soccer [149:11] one's real. [149:12] >> They they stopped and had a little kick [149:13] around Christmas. Why not? And then [149:15] apparently the generals and everyone got [149:17] very angry at them like these are your [149:19] enemy. Go back to killing them. But I [149:21] mean like you don't know these [ __ ] [149:22] people. [149:22] >> How could you go back to killing someone [149:24] after they just [ __ ] did scored a [149:26] great goal or something did something [149:28] impressive on the on [149:29] >> just shook your hand and gave you a [149:30] cigarette. [149:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. [149:32] >> They were hanging out together. They [149:33] they decided to have a ceasefire shirt [149:35] for skins. Yeah. [149:37] >> [ __ ] man. [149:37] >> And there was a referee and stuff and [149:39] the people [149:40] >> This is the New York Times Associated [149:43] Press report of it. the when I asked for [149:45] like the AI stuff, it said it's a [149:47] potential myth. [149:49] >> Yeah, it's not. It's real. The the meat [149:52] eater did a whole piece on it where I [149:53] brought up the story because someone I [149:56] forget what historian told me about the [149:58] story and I was like, is that real? And [149:59] then I brought it up and then me eater [150:01] did a whole story on it. Story is widely [150:03] syndicated in contemporary newspapers. [150:04] Mainstream historians and archival [150:06] checks note a lack of official military [150:08] orders, command logs, cooperating. Go to [150:11] the mediator story about it because the [150:12] mediator story was pretty uh well [150:14] documented. You see it above there? It [150:15] was there's a link. [150:17] >> Those guys were [150:17] >> See where it says mediator? Click on [150:19] that. Okay. Was there a ceasefire during [150:21] World War I to hunt wolves? So here it [150:24] goes in there. [150:27] There Joe Rogan. Uh multiple New York uh [150:30] newspapers in 1917 reported the story [150:32] including the El Paso Herald, Oklahoma [150:35] City Times, and New York Times. Since [150:37] then, it's become a favorite bit of [150:38] barroom banter among amateur historians [150:41] like the powerful Joe Rogan. Uh 1917, a [150:45] dispatch from Berlin noted large packs [150:47] of wolves moving into populated areas of [150:49] the German Empire from the forest of [150:51] Lithuania and uh Bohemia. Uh locals [150:55] hypothesized the war effort displaced [150:57] the wolves. So, the canine started [150:58] seeking out new hunting grounds. Hungry [151:00] wolves infiltrated rural villages, [151:02] attacking calves, sheep, goats, and in [151:04] two cases, children. They also showed up [151:06] at the front lines feeding on the fallen [151:08] and sometimes taking advantage of [151:10] incapacitated fighters. So this is what [151:13] happened. [151:15] >> So they would they would have some sort [151:17] of a way to send someone over with a [151:18] white [ __ ] [151:20] >> Yeah. So it says as a last resort, the [151:22] two adversaries with the consent of [151:23] their commanders entered into [151:25] negotiations for an armistice and joined [151:27] forces to overcome the wolf plague. [151:32] >> Wow. [151:32] >> Did it say how many? This is according [151:34] to a 1917 New York Times article. But [151:37] all to no avail, the wolves nowhere to [151:38] be found quite so large and powerful as [151:40] in Russia were desperate in their hunger [151:42] regardless of danger. So point [151:45] apparently what one of the things that [151:46] had happened was they'd sent guys on [151:48] patrol and they wouldn't find them. They [151:50] wouldn't come back and then they would [151:51] go look for them and they'd find like a [151:52] foot in a boot with their leg had been [151:54] severed off and eaten and they realized [151:56] like, "Oh my god, they're getting hunted [151:58] by wolves." Cuz if you're a small group [152:00] of people, like two guys, and you go out [152:02] and there's 50 wolves, like a large [152:04] pack, they will eat you. [152:06] >> Yeah. [152:06] >> I have a friend of mine who was elk [152:08] hunting, and he shot an elk, and they [152:11] didn't realize that they shot an elk [152:12] essentially where the wolves had their [152:14] dent, and the wolves surrounded them, [152:16] and they started running in at them, and [152:18] he killed [152:19] >> doing their thing where they kind of [152:21] >> they killed three of them. He killed two [152:22] of them with a bow and the guy he was [152:24] with killed one of them with a rifle. [152:25] And then they backed off. The wolves [152:28] took off. They realized that something [152:29] was wrong. Like [152:30] >> Yeah. They realized they didn't know how [152:31] this ain't no bison. [152:32] >> Yeah. [152:32] >> They also realized like something's [152:34] happening where arrows are flying at [152:35] them and killing them. And they watch [152:37] these guys get killed and they they [152:39] eventually took off. [152:40] >> They're super smart. [152:41] >> But he said we were surrounded. [152:43] >> My friend John Dudley, he talked about [152:44] it on the podcast. He's got the wolf [152:46] skulls in his house. [152:47] >> Yeah. You ever do you ever see like a [152:49] video of like a bison gets singled out [152:51] surrounded by the wolves and they just b [152:53] they just and he's just he's just [152:55] spinning and spinning for five eight [152:57] hours and they the I've seen it with [152:59] behind the scenes with the documentary [153:01] like the whole people recording it. [153:03] They're like all crying because they're [153:04] literally watching an animal fight for [153:06] life for eight hours while these packs [153:08] just bite it and bite and bite it. But [153:10] there's a reason why all those old [153:12] nursery rhymes like the big bad wolf [153:15] like the kids worrying about the big bad [153:16] wolf dressed up like grandma that that [153:19] was real. They you had to worry if you [153:21] sent your children home through the [153:22] woods they could get eaten by wolves. [153:24] That was real. I thought it was like a [153:26] metaphor for pedophiles or something. [153:28] >> No. Well, that too. I'm sure [153:30] >> maybe I mis misinterpreted the art. [153:32] >> It's probably that's probably part of it [153:34] as well. But but a real problem back [153:37] then was wolves killing people. Can I [153:39] ask you a question about the bows? [153:40] What's the furthest you've uh got an [153:45] animal from when you're hunting [153:47] >> with a bow and arrow? Yeah. 80 yards. [153:49] >> 80 yards. So, you you'll go out, you'll [153:51] have your what? And this will tell you [153:53] kind of a distance of something. [153:55] >> I have a rangefinder. So, I have a [153:57] rangefinder and I lock in on the animal [154:00] with the rangefinder. It gives you a [154:02] yardage. And then my bow is specifically [154:06] calibrated with a sight that moves up [154:08] the there's a reticle on the site that [154:10] moves up and down depending on where the [154:13] distance is. So like say if it's 60 [154:15] yards, I dial to 60 yards and my sight [154:19] moves to a very specific position where [154:21] my pin that's where the arrow will drop. [154:24] If I shoot straight and I don't move [154:26] when during the shot, that's where the [154:28] arrow will be roughly at 60 yards. Yeah. [154:31] So, but it's always the same release. [154:34] It's just the dial will tell you go a [154:36] little higher. [154:36] >> It's very complicated. You want to go [154:38] down a rabbit hole of like obsession. [154:41] Bow hunting is the greatest rabbit hole [154:43] of obsession I've ever gone down. Oh, I [154:44] bet you would. [154:45] >> I could. [154:45] >> Yeah. You want to see one? [154:47] >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. [154:48] >> Um, when you do it, it is one of the [154:51] most difficult things I've ever done in [154:52] my life. [154:53] >> Do you remember the first kill you got? [154:55] >> It's right there. [154:56] >> That's you? [154:57] >> Yeah. That uh that's a a mu deer that I [155:00] shot in um Montana with uh Steve [155:03] Reanella. [155:03] >> And how far from that show? [155:04] >> How far was that? [155:05] >> That was a rifle. So that was 250 yards, [155:08] I think it was. [155:10] >> Um but when you're doing it, um you [155:14] know, you're looking through a scope and [155:15] you're shooting with a rifle. That's [155:16] that's hard to do. But a bow is [155:18] exponentially harder. It's way harder. [155:20] It's way harder. You got to get close. [155:22] Like the 80 yard shot that I had, the [155:24] only reason why I would have ever taken [155:25] that shot, that's that's a elk thrust [155:27] shot. [155:29] >> Nice. [155:29] >> That was [155:30] >> And you don't have any support on that [155:32] thing. You're holding it with your [155:33] >> I'm holding it. [155:34] >> Yeah. [155:34] >> Because my cousin, he he brings out like [155:35] a kind of a big tripod that gets the [155:38] shot for the gun. [155:38] >> That's different. [155:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't do that [155:40] with the bow. [155:41] >> No. But I would do that with a rifle. It [155:43] makes a rifle more accurate. It's smart. [155:45] Especially if you're shooting at a [155:46] distance. [155:46] >> He has a silencer on, too, which weighs [155:48] a ton. [155:49] >> Yeah. Well, there silencers aren't that. [155:51] It's They're not that [155:52] >> Well, maybe he's a little bit of a [ __ ] [155:53] about it, but [155:55] >> it's not that heavy. I mean, it's And [155:56] it's not really a silencer. It's a [155:58] suppressor. So, it really just takes [155:59] some of the sound out. You can still [156:01] hear it. [156:01] >> Is that So, if you miss, you don't scare [156:03] everything off or even if you [156:04] >> No. So, it doesn't blow your eardrums [156:06] out. [156:06] >> Cuz if you have a like if you have a [156:08] rifle like one of my rifles is um it's [156:12] uh it's is a it's got what's called a [156:15] muzzle break. And a muzzle brake is at [156:17] the front of the rifle. There's holes in [156:20] the barrel that allow the gases to [156:22] disperse. So what that does is it [156:25] lessens the recoil. So there's less of a [156:27] kick when the gun goes off. So a very [156:29] powerful hunting rifle like if you're [156:30] shooting a moose or something like that, [156:32] you need a powerful rifle like the kind [156:33] you want to if you want to kill Charlie [156:35] Kirk, you got a powerful rifle and on [156:38] the impact there's a lot of movement, [156:40] right? And if you flinch and if you [156:43] worried about that recall, you you'll be [156:45] less accurate. So there's a thing called [156:46] a muzzle break. The problem with a [156:49] muzzle break is it makes the rifle shot [156:51] way louder. And uh I have two friends [156:54] that have lost hearing because they were [156:56] close to a rifle when it went off with [156:58] the muzzle brake on it and they blew [157:00] their eardrums out. [157:02] >> A buddy of mine um he's he has [ __ ] [157:04] hearing aids. Really? Yeah. But the [157:06] point is that [157:08] like a a tripod or a shooting sticks, [157:12] they sit down allows you to have a much [157:15] better like most guys when they're [157:18] shooting at real distance. So there's [157:20] things so there's like say like 50 yards [157:23] to 100 yards. A lot of guys are [157:26] comfortable shooting offhand. That means [157:28] just holding the rifle, wrapping the [157:30] rifle sling around your arm so you're, [157:32] you know, tight, pushing it to your [157:34] chest and then then making sure you're [157:37] not moving and boom. And you could up to [157:39] like a 100 yards, you could probably get [157:41] away with that. But if it's anything [157:44] more than that, you really want to be [157:45] stabilized. So you want to be on a [157:47] tripod or shooting sticks. [157:50] >> When it's further than like 300 yards, [157:52] most guys want to be prone. So they want [157:55] to be laying down. So what they'll do is [157:56] they'll lay their pack down and they [157:58] rest the rifle on their pack and they [158:00] want their whole body to be rested on [158:03] the ground so there's no movement. And [158:05] so they're looking through that and all [158:06] they're moving is their finger. So [158:08] everything is stable and all they're [158:10] doing is slowly squeezing. So their [158:12] rifle is resting on that pack. So [158:14] there's no nothing that could possibly [158:16] move it. [158:17] >> Yeah, it seems [158:18] >> so with a bow you don't have anything. [158:19] seems like a lot of like fun or at least [158:21] a very exciting especially if you can I [158:25] don't know if if you're [158:26] >> especially if it's like a thing that's [158:28] needed for the ecosystem to continue the [158:30] ecology of a thing. [158:32] >> It certainly is kind of [158:34] >> well that's the excuse we're going to [158:35] use so I can kill an animal and pretend [158:37] I'm helping. [158:38] >> Well, the thing is if you don't kill [158:39] them they're going to get killed there. [158:41] No, no animals live forever and become [158:43] angels. What happens is they get killed [158:45] by wolves and usually they get killed in [158:47] a horror. [158:47] >> But in Ireland we don't have the [ __ ] [158:48] wolves. They freeze to death or they [158:51] starve to death. They they run their [158:52] teeth down and they can't process food [158:54] anymore [158:55] >> and you see them and they're they're [158:56] scrawny and all [ __ ] up. [158:58] >> Yeah. [158:59] >> And then um something gets them. You [159:01] know, it's usually winter. More of more [159:02] animals die from winter than anything, [159:04] especially in like the mountains. [159:06] >> They they'll have strong winter die offs [159:08] where like in Utah where I was at two [159:10] years ago, they lost something like 70% [159:12] of their population of mu deer [159:14] >> from the winter winter die off. 70% of [159:17] them froze to death. [159:19] >> So then the following year they've got [159:20] less tags to get out. [159:21] >> Exactly. Exactly. And so in those kind [159:24] of situations, [159:26] you know, you don't really need humans [159:28] to take care of the population. The idea [159:30] is that humans manage the population in [159:32] a couple of ways. One, um, you do keep [159:35] the population in check. If it's an area [159:37] where there's not a lot of predators, [159:38] then it's kind of important that humans [159:40] do it because otherwise they can get [159:41] disease and there's too many of them, [159:43] starvation, overpopulation. But the [159:46] other thing is that the money that goes [159:48] into um tags and also sporting goods [159:52] equipment. So when you're buying a tent, [159:54] if you're buying um a rifle, if you're [159:57] buying a bow, a certain percentage of [159:59] that money goes into wildlife [160:00] conservation. [160:01] >> So that REI or one of these kind of [160:04] places, they they have to kind of [160:05] >> Yeah, it's part of the law. I think it's [160:07] called uh something Pitman Pitman [160:10] Roberts Act and look that up. Um, so [160:14] what that is, I think it's I forget what [160:17] the percentage is, but that percentage [160:20] here, uh, Pitman Robertson Wildlife [160:22] Restoration Act, uh, that was in 1937. [160:25] US federal law places an excise tax on [160:28] the sale of firearms, ammunition, and [160:30] archery equipment to fund state level [160:32] wildlife conservation, habitat [160:34] restoration, and hunter safety programs. [160:36] So, it's 11% federal excise tax on [160:39] sporting firearms, ammunition, and [160:41] archery equipment, and a 10% tax on [160:44] handguns. And all that goes to [160:46] conservation. So, that pays for game [160:48] wardens. It pays for wildlife [160:50] biologists. It pays to make sure that [160:52] the populations are healthy. They do [160:54] studies on them. [160:55] >> Yeah. [160:56] >> Things like collaring wolves and, you [160:58] know, finding out what their migration [160:59] patterns are, following [161:01] >> deer migration patterns. It's also that [161:04] we keep their populations healthy. It's [161:05] like the number one contributor in this [161:07] country to wildlife conservation is [161:10] hunters. [161:10] >> Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. [161:12] >> Yeah. Because they if you the people [161:15] that don't hunt and don't eat meat or [161:17] think it's cruel, they would think that [161:18] there's no way someone who hunts loves [161:20] animals. There's no way you could. [161:22] >> Yeah. Exactly. Once you understand the [161:24] role of it all. Yeah. [161:25] >> I think it makes it And also I think a [161:27] lot of hunters who are outside, they're [161:29] more in tune. I think they're more [161:31] environmentalist probably than most [161:33] people who never leave because they have [161:34] an understanding of leave no trace [161:36] things like that the importance of it [161:38] keep keeping these hunting [161:40] >> places that they hunt keeping them wild [161:42] keeping them like that [161:43] >> keeping them pure and it's like the one [161:44] of the most disappointing things when [161:46] you go hunting and you find like a water [161:47] bottle or a beer can you find like a [161:50] bunch of [161:51] >> use condom [161:53] >> at least if you're responsible but you [161:55] find like places [161:56] >> how many people are wrapping up in the [161:57] middle of the woods today [162:00] >> when you when you go out to these [162:01] places, you know, you you want them to [162:03] be Look, footprints are one thing. That [162:05] should be it. Footprints maybe like a [162:07] fire pit that you put out, but that [162:09] should be it. You shouldn't be leaving [162:10] your [ __ ] behind. [162:12] >> Yeah. [162:12] >> It makes a lot of money every year, but [162:14] I just noticed this at the end. [162:16] >> Okay. So, it says uh regular generates [162:19] between 800 million and $1.2 billion [162:22] annually. non-hunter contribution, even [162:24] though it was originally pushed by [162:25] sportsmen, data now shows that roughly [162:28] 73 to 74% of the revenue actually [162:30] generated by non-hunters purchasing [162:32] firearms and ammunition for recreational [162:34] shooting, home defense, or collecting. [162:37] That's just cuz because it's 10% goes to [162:40] uh handguns and 11% with rifles. Um it's [162:44] just because more people have those than [162:47] go hunting. [162:49] >> But that's also no one's like fighting [162:51] against that. It's a good It's a good [162:53] use of tax money. [162:54] >> It's uh it's very important because if [162:56] you don't have that, then you just have [162:58] these wild open lands and you don't have [163:00] people patrolling them to make sure [163:02] people aren't poaching. Yeah. [163:04] >> Cuz that's a real problem. Poaching is a [163:06] giant problem. It's a giant problem in [163:07] this country [163:08] >> where people go into land that's not [163:10] theirs. They they go on to private land [163:11] or public land where they don't have a [163:13] tag and they hunt and you know, [163:15] >> they're like America's so big. It's like [163:17] [ __ ] impossible. But your the lands [163:19] that you have here are probably the best [163:22] thing about this country. The national [163:23] parks, the systems that you have. Like I [163:26] I I never learned about it until I moved [163:28] here. That wasn't something you thought [163:30] about. And you just think of America [163:32] like it's all kind of just fast food and [163:34] fatties in their car. That's kind of it. [163:37] Just some fat [ __ ] from [ __ ] [163:38] Tennessee eating Wendy's. And then you [163:40] get here and then you hear about these [163:42] national parks. You're like, "What?" And [163:43] then you go to them and you're like, [163:43] "What the fuck?" [163:45] >> I know it's not. I remember first time [163:46] going to Zion was just [ __ ] [163:48] >> Zion's crazy [163:50] >> crazy. All of Utah is Utah's Utah. I [163:53] could move there pretty soon. Become a [163:55] Mormon, have 16 wives. [163:57] >> Let's go. [163:58] >> Yeah, why not? That's the American dream [164:00] I want. [164:00] >> Yeah, Utah's [ __ ] Utah. [164:02] >> Beautiful. [164:03] >> Yeah, the mountains of Utah is one of my [164:04] favorite places to go. That's the one [164:06] place I've saw a real mountain lion. I I [164:09] was with my friend Colton a few years [164:10] back and we were driving. He's a a [164:12] hunting guy that I go with every year [164:14] and we were driving back. Um, so what we [164:17] do is you drive into the mountains, you [164:19] park, and then you're walking 8 10 miles [164:22] a day. You're going through the [164:23] mountain. You have to be in serious [164:24] shape. Like I get in shape like I work [164:27] out specifically for these trips [164:29] >> cuz how much what's the weight on the [164:30] back? [164:30] >> It's not the back. It's just the the [164:32] real carrying them out is a [164:34] [ __ ] dude. Cuz then you're you [164:36] got like uh we carried that elk out [164:39] >> and I got a bunch of guys to help me. I [164:41] mean, we didn't even have to go very [164:42] far. We only went a few hundred yards, [164:44] but it was like this like like an insane [164:47] angle with loose dirt. And I had a [164:49] quarter on my back, a rear hind quarter, [164:51] which is like 100 pounds. [164:53] >> Wow. [164:53] >> And you're going straight uphill. And [164:55] >> are you like tying that onto a thing? [164:57] You're tying it on type of thing. [164:59] >> I have a pack and my pack is [165:01] specifically gone. I have It's called [165:03] exo mountain. [165:04] >> You must when that's all done cuz it's [165:06] the same feeling as when you go to the [165:08] gym and you're finished and you feel [165:09] [ __ ] great or whatever. When you've [165:11] done hunting, got the deer back, you [165:14] must feel like that's good. [165:16] >> It's amazing. [165:17] >> And then your phone goes pleat. Did you [165:19] hear about this? And you go, no, I don't [165:20] want to know about it. I'm killing [165:22] [ __ ] [165:23] >> But when you're when you're doing that [165:25] and you eat it, your connection to that [165:27] food is so different. Like I made an elk [165:30] steak uh or an elk roast rather [165:32] yesterday and uh I was eating it and and [165:35] I was eating. I was like, I was there. [165:37] Like I remember when this happened. I [165:40] remember the arrow flying. I remember [165:42] the sound when it hit the rib cage. [165:45] >> I remember quartering it up and carrying [165:47] it out. I remember I remember all the [165:49] work. I remember all the hours I [165:50] practiced shooting my bow. [165:51] >> Wow. [165:52] >> Well, you have to practice. [165:53] >> People get that kind of feel like a [165:55] little bit of that feeling from [ __ ] [165:56] growing like herbs in their yard in [165:58] their yard. And then you feel great when [166:00] you put a little parsley on something. [166:01] So if you were to really learn how to [166:04] bow and track it and learn to [ __ ] [166:06] how to follow them where they find them, [166:09] I think it's probably rewarding more [166:10] rewarding than going to [ __ ] Burger [166:12] King. This is the problem is people [166:13] think [166:14] >> and I love animals and I think I'm an [166:15] environmentalist and I but like I think [166:17] people associate hunting with this kind [166:19] of an anti-environment [166:21] thing. Whereas the guy eating a Burger [166:24] King is probably just as like that's [166:26] maybe arguably you could say that's like [166:27] less ethical. The way we like farm cows [166:30] versus actually catching a [ __ ] [166:32] >> well especially industrial [166:34] >> agriculture when they when they when do [166:36] industrial farming of animals is wild. [166:39] That should be illegal. They should have [166:41] never allowed that to happen in the [166:42] first place when they have these giant [166:43] warehouses stuffed with pig [166:44] >> and now we're reliant on it. So you [166:46] can't you can't get now cities need it. [166:48] I could be I could be probably persuaded [166:50] I could have somewhere in there with the [166:52] right argument I could probably [166:53] persuaded to kind of like get away from [166:57] like unethical [166:59] food. Yeah, I I could I could be [167:01] convinced to go like vegan, I guess, but [167:03] probably not. But [167:04] >> it's not that good for you. It's very [167:06] difficult to do it right to to be vegan [167:09] and to get all the essential amino acids [167:12] and B12 and you have to supplement with [167:14] a lot of things. Yeah, [167:15] >> it's very difficult. Great to tell. You [167:17] get to tell everyone. [167:18] >> Yes. [167:19] >> But you do get to tell everyone go sorry [167:21] make you get to make Christmas difficult [167:22] for your [ __ ] [167:23] >> the animals die in making food. [167:26] Especially monocrop agriculture. You [167:28] have to kill millions and millions of [167:30] birds and [167:32] >> rodents and rabbits and groundhogs. They [167:36] all have to die. They all have to die. [167:38] And if you have a large monocrop farm, [167:40] you're killing a fuckload of animals [167:42] every year. [167:43] >> Yeah. [167:43] >> And forget about the bugs. the amount of [167:45] bugs you murder. You have to murder so [167:47] many bugs in order to have a farm. [167:49] >> What you spraying [ __ ] I thought [167:52] driving [167:52] >> pesticides. Uh they get run over by [167:55] stuff. Combines chew up animals that are [167:58] there. It's uh there's a lot of death [168:01] involved in in acquiring food. It's just [168:03] the difference between the death envir [168:05] involved in acquiring food. The the [168:07] feeling that you get from just going to [168:09] a grocery store and picking up some [168:11] vegetables. You don't think about it. [168:12] You think, "Oh, vegetables. No big deal. [168:14] get some vegetables. A lot of death [168:16] involved in growing those vegetables. No [168:18] [ __ ] question about it. Unless you're [168:21] going to a regenerative organic farm and [168:24] buying all your vegetables from there. [168:26] But I think the best way is to grow your [168:28] own in a garden. The feeling that you [168:29] get, like we're talking about like [168:30] parsley and herbs and stuff like that. [168:32] The feeling that you get when you make a [168:33] salad from your own garden is [ __ ] [168:36] amazing. Amazing. It's amazing. You're [168:39] slicing up your own peppers, [168:40] >> tomatoes. [168:41] >> Yeah. All that stuff. putting it in a [168:43] salad, putting the olive oil and vinegar [168:44] on it, you're eating it like I freaking [168:46] grew this [168:47] >> and then you make it and you also you [168:48] share that with your family which is the [168:50] probably the purest thing of life is to [168:52] eat with your family [168:54] >> might be [168:56] >> nothing better than that. Kill killing [168:58] on stage and then feeding your family [169:01] tomatoes that you grew in your yard are [169:02] the two great goals in life. We get to [169:04] experience a thing that most people will [169:06] never experience and that is the the [169:09] feeling that you get from a crowd of [169:11] people having a great time laughing. [169:13] >> Yeah. [169:13] >> That is I can't imagine a life without [169:16] that. [169:17] >> Yeah. [169:17] >> Cuz it's such a high it's such I I have [169:20] had so many conversations with my [169:21] friends like imagine going through life [169:23] and never killing. [169:25] >> Not once. [169:26] >> Yeah. [169:26] >> Never once. Never once you get a [169:29] standing ovation, everybody's laughing. [169:31] Thank you very much. Good night. That [169:33] feeling is We're so lucky. We're so [169:36] [ __ ] lucky to have that feeling. [169:38] >> Yeah. [169:38] >> And the to have it all the time. [169:40] >> You have it tonight. [169:41] >> Yeah. Hopefully. Well, here is even even [169:44] great comics can bomb, right? And then [169:46] even bad comics can kill. It's sort of [169:48] just the [169:50] >> I Yeah. less likely than a great comic. [169:54] >> Oh, yeah. But especially when you [169:55] release a special, then you're unarmed [169:58] and then you have to go on stage with [169:59] new material. You don't know what the [170:01] [ __ ] you're talking about. You're just [170:02] trying. And the beginning few sets, [170:05] they're painful. [170:07] >> I'm going through some grown. I got this [170:08] like new bit without giving away about a [170:12] caveman and his wife having a fight and [170:14] it crushes so hard for the first little [170:17] bit and then I kind of get into some [170:19] deep waters where I don't know where the [170:20] fight's going and sometimes it works out [170:23] where they, you know, make sense and [170:24] then sometimes it just [170:26] >> But one day it'll work. [170:27] >> Hopefully [170:28] >> it'll take forever. Yeah, I mean that's [170:30] what it is, man. It's like this this [170:31] long journey of trying to figure out [170:33] what a bit really is and then there's a [170:35] real problem with getting trapped in the [170:36] original structure of it. [170:38] >> Like sometimes I get accustomed to [170:40] saying something in a certain way and [170:41] then I'm like, boy, this is dull. [170:43] There's something about this I don't [170:44] like. [170:45] >> I need to abandon it and redo it from [170:47] the beginning. I know there's a [170:49] something in the premise. [170:50] >> Yeah. [170:50] >> But it's not. get repetitive to and like [170:53] I start off that's my biggest problem is [170:55] I start off loose and then you say it so [170:57] many times so many nights that suddenly [170:59] you recite to go now I'm reciting a [171:00] script and I'm not talking to these [171:02] people at all [171:03] >> so sometimes I'll intentionally say [171:05] something different even if it makes the [171:06] joke a little worse [171:08] >> it elevates the experience cuz they know [171:09] I'm [ __ ] in the room but that's how I [171:12] tried all my favorite people Patrice and [171:14] Burr and all these guys they are like [171:16] that where not every set is the same [171:18] >> yes you're [ __ ] around with it Yeah. [171:20] Yeah. [171:20] >> And it keeps it fresh in your mind. It's [171:22] still [171:22] >> real. [171:23] >> We're blessed with some of the Patrice [171:24] O'Neal stuff because he has the same [171:25] jokes in multiple different places, but [171:27] there it's a different kind of thing [171:29] each time. It's a different vibe. It's a [171:31] different way of speaking. [171:32] >> Yeah. Well, he was very improvisational, [171:35] very loose, and also wise like he he [171:38] would do these points. He would make [171:40] these points. He'd be like, "Oh, yeah." [171:42] >> Yeah. [171:43] >> Always. There was so much of his [171:44] >> he could sell it to you in a dumb way. [171:46] It might be real stupid. Like that bit [171:49] about him enjoying uh watching uh [171:51] baseball and then his wife comes over [171:53] and his girlfriend comes over, sits [171:54] beside him and go, "What are you doing?" [171:55] He goes, "Were you watching baseball? [171:57] Put the Why are the blinds shut?" Like, [171:59] "Let me put open the blinds. Get the [172:01] light in here." He was like, "What are [172:02] you eating? You're eating a burger. You [172:04] don't want a burger. It's 11:00 a.m. I'm [172:05] going to make you a sandwich. A dried [172:08] turkey sandwich." And she's like, "Hug [172:10] me. Kiss me. Kiss me. Mean it. Mean the [172:12] kiss." Um, yeah, he's got the best bit. [172:16] He's got the best. [172:17] >> He was awesome. [172:18] >> Yeah. [172:19] >> Yeah. [172:19] >> I wish I I wish I wish he was around [172:22] when for just to have seen him once, you [172:25] know, before he was dead. He was dead by [172:26] the time I got here. [172:27] >> Well, he would be the biggest podcaster [172:29] on earth. [172:29] >> You think so? [172:30] >> Yeah. Beige. [172:31] >> He'd be right up there. He'd be like me [172:33] and him would be right there together. [172:34] He might be number one. I might be [172:36] number two. That would be good for me. [172:38] >> Yeah. Your rival. [172:39] >> Take a little No, just take a little [172:40] weight off me. [172:41] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you don't [172:43] know. Maybe he's a [ __ ] wacky old [172:44] [ __ ] [ __ ] too. Because a lot of [172:46] people that that happens. [172:47] >> You don't You don't know. [172:49] >> No, no, no, no, no. He was too smart. He [172:51] wouldn't not been wacky. He would had [172:53] great takes on things. He was just [172:55] always He was fantastic on Opie and [172:57] Anthony. Like that's where I hung out [172:58] with him the most. Yeah. [172:59] >> Like doing Opie and Anthony with him. [173:01] >> Yeah. He He was the best. [173:02] >> Crusher. Just He's just It was so funny [173:05] like finding things that you do that are [173:07] stupid and like rubbing them in your [173:08] face and you have to lag like No, no. [173:11] That's so true. [173:13] Yeah, he would have been awesome on [173:15] podcast cuz it was like designed for [173:17] that. That's where cuz OP and Anthony [173:19] was really the first podcast. It was [173:21] really It was a radio show for sure, but [173:24] credit to them the way they ran it. They [173:26] let the comedians run it. It was, you [173:28] know, Voss and Jimmy Norton and Burr and [173:32] Ari and all of us. We'd be in there and [173:34] it would just be like a wild podcast. [173:36] >> They they let everybody just go nuts. [173:38] They they didn't have a structure. Like [173:40] if you do Howard Stern, you have a [173:42] structure. Howard Stern's not going to [173:43] let me come on with three of my friends [173:45] >> and and just talk [ __ ] and smoke weed [173:47] and and get crazy. With with Howard [173:49] Stern, you'd go on. So So let me tell [173:50] you, let me ask you a fear factor. Did [173:52] you do that? Did you like that show? Did [173:55] you just do it for money? He would ask [173:56] it was an interview. [173:57] >> And that was emailed to you beforehand. [173:58] These are the questions we're going to [173:59] ask. [174:00] >> No, no, no, no. Howard didn't do it that [174:02] way. But but when you would do Opie and [174:04] Anthony, you would do it. It was a hang. [174:06] You just go in and everybody would hang [174:07] out. And there was always content and it [174:10] made me realize like, oh, you don't have [174:12] to have a structure like this [174:13] conversation. You and I met last night [174:16] for the first time. We hung out in the [174:18] green room, had a grand old time [174:19] >> and then we came here today. We didn't [174:21] talk about what we're going to talk [174:22] about. [174:22] >> We actually didn't talk about a single [174:24] thing we talked about last night. I was [174:25] coming in here today going, I think I'm [174:26] going to talk about Ark of the Triumph [174:28] or what? Not the the Ark of the [174:29] Covenant, Arc of the Covenant being [174:31] guarded by some [ __ ] Ethiopians. I [174:33] was like, that we're definitely talking [174:34] about that. didn't even come close to [174:35] it. [174:37] >> But that's the thing about a podcast and [174:39] that was the thing about Opie and [174:40] Anthony. It was wide open and I think [174:42] that was the birth of podcasts. I think [174:44] that show in particular because of the [174:46] way they ran it particularly because of [174:48] Anthony like Anthony Kumia is a very uh [174:51] he's got a lot of interesting [174:53] information and knowledge in his head. [174:55] Yeah. And he always will pull these [174:56] things out like historical references to [174:59] things like that. So the way this [175:01] started and he would explain something [175:02] you're like whoa that's crazy. like he [175:05] knows a lot of things and it like [175:06] contributed to the depth of the [175:08] conversation and then everybody would be [175:09] talking [ __ ] about each other but they [175:11] just let it play out. [175:12] >> Yeah. If you listen to on Spotify [175:14] somewhere someone's put all of the [175:15] Patrice O'Neal it's like a whole like [175:18] album of just Patrice O'Neal and OA and [175:20] like sometimes I'd put that on you when [175:22] I used to drive trucks I'd put that on [175:23] and it was just there was something [175:24] about it because it was so it was very [175:26] slow almost like as in no one was in an [175:29] any hurry. Sometimes with podcast now [175:31] we're all like trying to zing zing [175:32] whatever. They had this kind of a calm [175:34] thing where going we're here for four [175:35] [ __ ] hours so let's take our time [175:36] let's relax [175:37] >> and they're doing it every day [175:38] >> and they would talk about one subject [175:39] for a long time. [175:41] >> They would stick on it for an hour and a [175:43] half. [175:44] >> Yeah. [175:44] >> I remember before I did it I would [175:46] listen to it all the time. I'm like [175:47] these guys are having fun. [175:48] >> Kumi is doing something with Jim now. [175:50] >> Yeah. [175:50] >> They have a podcast. [175:51] >> Fantastic. They were just uh guests on [175:54] Kill Tony. [175:54] >> Nice. [175:55] >> So the episode's out this week. [175:56] >> Kill I didn't I saw I did Kill Tony a [175:58] couple of weeks ago. I was in town and [176:00] they just let me go up and do a spot, [176:01] you know. I didn't have to do a book [176:02] bucket or anything like that. But, uh, I [176:04] got more feedback on that show than like [176:05] pretty much anything I've ever done. [176:07] Like I had like [176:08] >> huge [176:08] >> Yeah. I had like cousins I haven't [176:10] talked to in years reach out to me and [176:11] things like that going, "Hey, I saw you [176:12] on [ __ ] with Gilton." I was like, "Yeah, [176:14] well, I'm doing stuff all the time [176:15] actually." But yeah, thanks. You found [176:16] this. Yeah, it's massive. [176:17] >> Yeah, I went to the Monday night. Well, [176:18] I went went to meet Jeremy Clarkson cuz [176:20] he came to watch the Monday night. [176:22] >> He was just hanging out and awesome. [176:23] >> Just hanging out. Hanging out in the [176:24] green room. He's the best. He's so fun. [176:27] But Jimmy introduced me to him. Jimmy [176:28] Carr. So, he was a guest on the panel. [176:30] >> You know, I heckled Jimmy Carr in a [176:32] theater before I ever did standup years [176:34] ago. [ __ ] years ago. I I don't know [176:38] what got into, you know, he insult. No, [176:40] he was doing a Q&A at the end of it and [176:42] this is a big theater in Ireland and he [176:43] was like, "Anyone have any questions?" [176:44] And I said, "Can I get a photo with you [176:47] after the show?" And then he started [176:48] making fun of my accent going, "I get a [176:50] photo with you." He goes, "Oh, stolen [176:52] camera or whatever." And then I said, [176:53] "Uh, your fat head might not fit in the [176:55] photo." And then the whole crowd goes [176:58] and then he he did a little let me just [177:00] open this can of whoop ass. And I don't [177:02] even I don't even remember what he said [177:04] to me but he just unleashed all of the [177:07] and people ARE GRABBING ME GOING [177:10] STRANGERS. [177:11] You [ __ ] idiot. You [ __ ] [177:14] >> Did were you thinking about doing comedy [177:15] before that? [177:16] >> I think I might have been. Yeah. [177:20] >> And I definitely started at I met him [177:22] again years later at another show and I [177:23] told him the story. But I had definitely [177:25] I I wanted, you know, I wanted to do [177:26] comedy when I was like 16 cuz I saw it [177:28] on TV. I go, this is the coolest thing [177:30] ever. But I'd only ever seen like [177:32] specials. That's all I knew was [177:33] specials. So I was like, I I got to [177:35] write an hour and then I'll go do a [177:37] special. That's what I I was 16. I [177:39] didn't have any idea. So I remember [177:40] sitting down going, "All right, I'll [177:41] write it. I'll write a little every [177:43] night and then after a couple of weeks [177:44] I'll have an hour and then I'll just go [177:45] be on TV like these guys." Like that's [177:47] genuinely I had no understanding of what [177:50] was the in between that. [177:51] >> That's hilarious. And yeah, so I [177:53] remember writing a story one night and [177:54] then the next night I I sat down to [177:56] write again. I reread the previous [177:57] night. I was like, "That's not funny at [177:59] all." And I just said, "All right, I [178:00] can't do that." And then it wasn't until [178:01] like [ __ ] you know, six years later, [178:04] I saw a thing on TV about open mics. I [178:06] was like, "Oh, I didn't even realize [178:07] there's like a whole thing in between." [178:10] Yeah. Process. Yeah. And then that was [178:11] like years ago. [178:12] >> Well, listen, brother, you're very [178:13] funny. [178:14] >> Really funny. I'm I've enjoyed watching [178:16] your [ __ ] I'm I'm looking forward to [178:17] watching you tonight live. [178:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. The caveman. We'll see if it [178:21] goes or Let's go. [178:22] >> This is the new special. [178:23] >> The special bells and whistles available [178:25] right now on YouTube. Where'd you film [178:27] it? [178:27] >> New York Comedy Club. [178:28] >> Nice. [178:28] >> Yeah. [178:29] >> Beautiful. [178:29] >> So, yeah. There we go. [178:30] >> Beautiful. All right. [178:31] >> Yeah. Thank you so much, brother. Let's [178:33] do this again sometime. I loved it. [178:34] >> All right. Bye, everybody.