Israetel Pours Fitness Millions Into AI, Warns Creators Face Ruin

伊斯拉埃特尔将健身所得数百万投入AI，警告创作者或将面临破产 迈克·伊斯拉埃特尔博士认为，到2030年代，先进的人工智能和机器人技术将超越人类劳动的经济价值，并警告高收入创作者，除非他们立即将现金转入具有复利效应的资本资产，否则将面临贫困。 迈克·伊斯拉埃特尔博士与格雷厄姆·斯蒂芬和杰克·塞尔比共同探讨了训练频率的真相，破除了围绕种子油和力竭等普遍存在的健身迷思，并概述了基于循证的补剂与睾酮替代疗法（TRT）的使用。讨论随后延伸至伊斯拉埃特尔个人的财富心理、他在年收入达七位数的情况下依然保持保守的生活开支，以及他以人工智能、机器人技术和商业地产为中心的主动投资理念。之后，伊斯拉埃特尔谈到了他在撰写书籍时使用生成式AI的情况，详细说明了他即将进行的整形手术计划，评价了他与格雷格·杜塞特之间的公开纷争，并在蒙眼识别二头肌的趣味挑战前评估了热门健身网红的身材。 迈克·伊斯拉埃特尔博士概述了他的高储蓄财务理念：尽管十年来年收入均超过100万美元，但他将个人年生活开支限制在约25万美元，并基于3%的安全提款率，设定了1000万美元的资产投资组合目标。 (15:58) 伊斯拉埃特尔打破了常见的营养学迷思，阐明临床人体试验表明，与饱和脂肪相比，种子油和多不饱和脂肪在心血管健康方面始终表现出更优异的效果。 (42:01) 为了实现可持续的肌肉增长，健身者每周只需通过紧凑的超级组训练两天，只要组次距离真正力竭保持在三到四次以内，就能发挥出自身70%到75%的基因潜力。 (34:47) 伊斯拉埃特尔预测，主要在递归人工智能和加速计算测试的推动下，阻止生物衰老的医学突破大约还有七年时间就会到来。 (63:26)

Exercise scientist Dr. Mike Israetel argues that sustainable muscle hypertrophy and physical health stem from strict physiological fundamentals rather than training extremes, dogmatic diets, or predatory supplement marketing. He maintains that the majority of physical gains can be achieved through time-efficient, scientifically grounded habits paired with disciplined capital preservation. Hypertrophy Thresholds and Time-Efficient Training (29:43) Israetel challenges the dogma that lifters must train to absolute failure to stimulate muscle hypertrophy, explaining that optimal gains occur within three to four reps in reserve (RIR). He notes, however, that novice and intermediate lifters consistently misjudge their proximity to failure, often confusing six reps in reserve for three. Learning to accurately gauge muscular fatigue is an acquired skill that requires progressive experience under load. Addressing workout frequency, Israetel asserts that marathon training schedules offer steep diminishing returns for the general public. Executing two 30- to 40-minute sessions per week using dense, antagonistic compound supersets—such as pairing squats directly with upright rows—captures roughly 70 percent of an individual's genetic muscular potential. Increasing that frequency to three sessions per week yields approximately 80 to 85 percent of maximum potential, demonstrating that an impressive physique does not require daily gym attendance. Nutritional Evidence Versus Influencer Dogma (42:01) Israetel dismisses popular anti-seed-oil sentiment as online fearmongering, pointing out that clinical trials systematically replacing saturated fats with seed oils and polyunsaturated fatty acids consistently demonstrate superior metabolic and cardiovascular outcomes. Conversely, he criticizes the carnivore diet for eliminating whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and dietary fiber—the nutritional categories most reliably linked to disease prevention and longevity in peer-reviewed literature. He also clarifies that hyper-palatable fast food can comfortably fit into a healthy lifestyle three to four times a week without degrading body composition, provided total caloric intake remains below an individual's daily energy ceiling. Regarding the broader wellness market, Israetel characterizes most retail supplements as financial waste, reserving scientific backing for a narrow tier consisting of creatine, whey protein, caffeine, vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, and bioavailable omega-3 fatty acids. Realistic Limits of Peptides and TRT (57:59) While acknowledging that Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) produces significant surges in energy, confidence, and physical recovery for men with clinically low androgen levels, Israetel cautions against viewing it as a universal remedy. He warns that administering hormones without addressing foundational lifestyle deficits—such as poor sleep or excessive alcohol consumption—fails to solve underlying health dysfunction. Evaluating the boom in peptide consumption, Israetel distinguishes genuine pharmacological breakthroughs from commercial hype. While incretin mimetics like semaglutide and tirzepatide demonstrate undeniable efficacy for weight loss, he emphasizes that claims regarding muscle-building peptides are entirely fabricated. Healing peptides like BPC-157 offer only modest and ambiguous results, leaving direct anabolic steroids as the only existing compounds that force hypertrophy. Wealth Preservation and Status-Seeking Traps (24:48) Reflecting on his transition from an academic earning a $57,000 university salary to a high-earning digital entrepreneur, Israetel explains that his work ethic is driven by a profound aversion to poverty. To establish financial security, he adopted a conservative 3 percent Safe Withdrawal Rate, targeting a $10 million liquid portfolio to permanently fund his estimated $250,000 annual living expenditures. Israetel warns creators and high earners against mismanaging transient windfalls by acquiring high-maintenance, rapidly depreciating status symbols like exotic sports cars. He argues that true financial independence requires treating capital conservatively, noting that his business, Renaissance Periodization, prioritizes downside protection and has avoided taking a single day in the red. Israetel relies on empirical scientific literature and multi-turn conversational AI analysis to debunk modern health trends, advocating for objective evidence over charismatic online authority. However, his personal forecasts—such as estimating a seven-year survival window to reach longevity escape velocity through exponential AI advancements—remain highly speculative given the sluggish pace of clinical validation and regulatory oversight.

运动科学学者兼健美运动员 Dr. Mike Israetel 指出，肌肉生长与身心健康依赖于基于证据的理性训练、能量平衡和可持续习惯，而非极端情绪或网红营销噱头。在个人发展与财富规划上，他也主张建立稳健的防御性底线，警惕消费主义陷阱并理性评估技术演进对未来的重塑。 力量训练的科学机制与频率收益 (29:43) 针对增肌必须练到力竭的流行说法，Dr. Mike Israetel 澄清这属于认知误区。肌肉肥大的绝大部分增益发生于距离绝对力竭 3 到 4 次重复（3–4 RIR）的区间内，并非每次动作都要进行到杠铃彻底无法移动；初学者往往高估疲劳程度而低估自身储备，准确评估 RIR 是一项需要长期积累的运动技能。同时，试图依靠失恋、愤怒或仇恨作为健身驱动力在长期内是不可持续的，极度亢奋虽能在短时间内提高神经兴奋与极限力量，但会诱发严重的系统性情绪耗竭，破坏健美所需的数年一致性。 在训练频次方面，Israetel 强调普通人完全不需要每日苦练。每周仅进行 2 次、每次 30 至 40 分钟的高密度复合对抗超级组训练（如深蹲搭配直立划船），即可激发个体约 70% 的最大遗传潜能；若增加至每周 3 次，则可捕获 80% 至 85% 的收益。对于追求体态匀称与健康的职场大众而言，低频高效方案足以达到优秀效果，无需牺牲生活去追逐极端的边际收益。 营养伪科学甄别与有效补充剂分级 (42:01) Dr. Mike Israetel 驳斥了将种子油视作健康元凶的观点，指出大量严谨临床试验证实，用种子油和多不饱和脂肪酸替代饱和脂肪在心血管及代谢指标上表现更优。他同时批评了完全剔除果蔬、坚果、全谷物与膳食纤维的纯生肉饮食（Carnivore Diet），认为其长期高饱和脂肪暴露与长寿医学共识直接冲突。谈及日常饮食，他分析快餐的核心弊端在于易消化、高适口性与极高的热量密度，极易诱发无意识超额进食；但只要严控每日总热量摄入，每周适度摄入几次快餐并不会破坏体脂或整体健康。 在补充剂领域，Israetel 强调市面上绝大多数产品缺乏严谨证据，真正具备强循证支持的仅有乳清蛋白、肌酸、维生素 D、锌、镁、优质欧米伽-3 鱼油及咖啡因。针对近年来被神化的多肽（Peptides），他明确指出除司美格鲁肽等肠促胰岛素类似物在减重方面确有成效外，没有任何多肽能够直接诱导骨骼肌生长，市面上的增肌多肽宣传多属于利用未受监管灰色市场的虚假营销。 激素替代、外貌重塑与肌肉社交效用 (52:10) 针对 40 岁以上男性是否应普遍使用睾酮替代疗法（TRT），Dr. Mike Israetel 给出否定评价。他指出，若低睾酮是由慢性睡眠不足、酗酒或久坐等生活方式缺陷引起的，外源性注射不仅治标不治本，反而会掩盖根源问题；唯有在生活作息全面优化后血检依然偏低时，TRT 才能显著改善自信心、日常精力和训练恢复。但他同时提醒，TRT 也伴随着攻击倾向升高、杂念增多及过度兴奋影响睡眠等生理代价。 关于体态改造与人际吸引力，Israetel 指出练出肌肉对异性的吸引力存在明显的边际效用递减天花板，极端发达的健美身材对大众择偶吸引力的加成极小，其主要社交效用在于同性群体内部确立威慑与地位。在个人形象改造方面，他坦言曾接受外科手术切除大幅减重后残留的下背部顽固脂肪，并计划未来花费 10 万至 20 万美元进行手臂微吸脂、躯干皮肤紧致及自体脂肪丰臀等系列手术，通过医疗手段彻底消除皮肤松弛的困扰。 财务逃逸速度与防范短命繁荣的陷阱 (24:48) 在个人财务管理上，Dr. Mike Israetel 阐述了从年薪 5.7 万美元的大学教授转型为数字产品创业者的心路历程。基于 3% 的保守安全提款率（SWR）与自身每年约 25 万美元的支出，他推算出 1000 万美元的投资组合即可达到被动生存的财务逃逸速度。受成长环境影响，他至今对大额消费抱有心理防御机制，始终维持着租房生活等较低的固定开支，其创立的 Renaissance Periodization 企业也始终坚持零赤字的避险经营模式。 他严厉抨击了购买豪车等迅速贬值且维护成本高昂的炫耀性消费，称这类资产无法带来真实的内生快乐。针对收入畸高但职业寿命短暂的网红与运动员群体，Israetel 警告若在巅峰期挥霍无度而缺乏资产沉淀，极易在三十岁热度衰减后迅速返贫。他坦言自己保持高强度工作的核心驱动力之一是对重返贫困的深刻恐惧，强调长久的安全感源于资本保留而非短期的账面数字。 AI指数演进与真实人类注意力的溢价 (63:26) 展望前沿技术，Dr. Mike Israetel 预测人类有望在约 7 年内借助人工智能实现寿命逃逸速度并攻克生理死亡。这一推测基于 AI 展现出的指数级自我迭代能力，如前沿推理模型已能迅速破解困扰人类数学家数十年的难题，他认为超级智能解析复杂人类生物学的效率将大幅超越传统漫长的科研周期。在实际操作中，他摒弃了单次冗长提示词（One-Shot Prompting）的做法，主张将 AI 视作工位对面的合作同事，通过设立边界与多轮交互逐步校准工作产出。 随着机器生成内容的泛滥，Israetel 预判纯文本甚至线上视频辩论将因充斥虚假生成而迅速失去公信力。未来注意力经济中最具溢价的资产将是线下面对面的真实交互；缺乏真才实学的人设在无提词器的即兴交流中极易暴露，唯有不可替代的现场人类魅力、思辨深度与情感共鸣，才能构筑长期竞争壁垒。 Dr. Mike Israetel 展现了以实证科学和防御性思维为核心的方法论，强调通过掌握客观规律来对抗健美焦虑、营养迷思与财务脆弱。然而，其关于 7 年内实现寿命逃逸速度的激进预言高度依赖通用人工智能对生物学突破的单向假设，现实中复杂的临床转化与严格的医疗监管阻力仍是该预测难以回避的不确定因素。

[42:01] Dr. Mike Israetel: Seed oils are not bad for your health. That is one of the most common myths in the nutrition space. [57:59] Dr. Mike Israetel: There are no peptides that grow muscle. They just don't exist. [104:36] Dr. Mike Israetel: People who look better over time dependably become on average somewhat happier. [2:55] Dr. Mike Israetel: The gym is for decades. And so, you have to find a sustainable way to motivate yourself in the gym. It can't be hamstring screaming. [2:55] Dr. Mike Israetel: Emotions felt really strongly can instantly transfer into a ton of strength for reps, even for a max, right there in the moment. [90:52] Dr. Mike Israetel: I think the number one thing about AI models is talk to them like they’re human, like they’re a coworker. [81:37] Dr. Mike Israetel: Claude's a goddamn good writer already. And it's just a matter of time until Claude's writing taste is better than almost all and then all human writing taste.

[0:00] emotions felt really strongly can [0:01] instantly transfer into a ton of [0:04] strength. [0:07] >> How would someone cross from not loving [0:09] the gym to actually enjoying the time [0:11] spent in the gym? [0:11] >> As you come to the gym and your body [0:13] changes, you look in the mirror like, [0:14] "Oh my god, I'm like becoming a [0:15] superhero." [0:16] >> Should anyone work out 7 days a week? [0:18] >> Is it the best idea in the world? No, I [0:20] would not say it is. [0:21] >> Mr. Mike, he knows that what he's doing [0:24] to his body is stupid. If I fall off [0:27] tomorrow, Greg will never make another [0:29] video about me again. And so my IQ is [0:31] above 160. We don't know how high cuz [0:33] they don't do standardized IQ tests [0:34] above that. [0:35] >> How do you know that to be true? [0:36] >> I took the Ravens Advanced Progressive [0:38] Matrices IQ test. I got every single [0:40] problem correct. [0:40] >> Why is the Carnivore diet so bad? [0:44] >> Oh, that's tough. [0:49] Dr. Mike Israel, thank you so much for [0:50] coming on the ice coffee hour. [0:52] >> Huge pleasure. Thank you for having me. [0:53] First and foremost, I need to know what [0:56] was going on in this video. [1:05] >> Was that necessary? [1:07] >> Yes. When you have um the kind of or [1:12] that I was having in that video, you no [1:14] longer have the bandwidth to filter the [1:16] noises coming out and all you feel is [1:18] the serenity of true pleasure running [1:21] through your body. And when you've had [1:23] that much pleasure, you start to scream. [1:26] >> Why were you screaming while doing [1:29] hamstring curls? Of all of the workouts, [1:31] I feel like that someone would scream [1:32] during a hamstring curl would probably [1:34] not be the first on the list. [1:36] >> I think that's probably one of the [1:37] reasons why that video went so viral. I [1:39] screamed in plenty of workouts, but that [1:41] one maybe like I screamed a lot more [1:43] than usual. [1:44] >> Were you playing it up at all? [1:45] >> No. [1:46] >> You weren't? [1:47] >> No, I was very upset. That was actually [1:48] me being very upset. That's so [1:50] fascinating because from a viewer's [1:51] perspective, I see that video and I find [1:54] it hilarious, but for you that could [1:55] >> So, what's funny about it? [1:56] >> You know what? You know what's funny? [1:58] Nelk used to do videos like this back in [2:00] the day where they'd go to the gym and [2:02] have like a little tiny weight they [2:03] would do AND LIKE SCREAM, "AH!" [2:06] >> YEAH. YEAH. NOW, mind you, that's like [2:07] my home gym, so there's nobody to hear [2:09] that. [2:09] >> I would never do that at a public gym. [2:12] >> Much volume. Well, if I'm at the gym and [2:14] I'm doing a workout and the guy next to [2:15] me is like talking to himself and like [2:17] doing that whole thing, it's a little [2:18] freaky. [2:19] >> Yeah. [2:20] >> You know, and so I just imagine going to [2:22] the gym and seeing someone do hamstring [2:23] curls. And also, the funniest part is it [2:26] it it looks like you have a few reps in [2:28] reserve. Like it doesn't look like [2:29] you're like on your last rep and you're [2:31] like really pumping out. It looks like [2:33] you're like like just getting started. [2:35] >> Yeah. [2:36] >> So, I think for me that it was just like [2:37] it it's just very absurd, you know? [2:39] >> Yeah. the uh I would have stopped like [2:41] six reps short. [2:43] >> The emotional intensity was so high that [2:47] I was able to continue going precisely [2:49] because of the fact that the emotions [2:50] were so high and thus the screaming and [2:53] the not hitting failure still. [2:55] >> Do you think that it's very true like [2:56] the classic story of a guy gets his [2:58] heart broken when he's dating a girl or [3:00] something like that and then he's able [3:02] to like leverage that into the gym? Do [3:05] you find that emotions when felt very [3:07] strongly can immediately translate into [3:09] just like bigger gains? [3:11] >> Emotions felt really strongly can [3:13] instantly transfer into a ton of [3:15] strength for reps, even for a max, right [3:17] there in the moment. [3:19] >> So like in powerlifting, [3:21] you can take your emotions and [3:24] purposefully put them on a little mini [3:25] roller coaster [3:26] >> right at the time that you need to hit [3:28] your big lift. And that makes a big [3:30] difference. The problem is that it comes [3:32] with for most folks an unbelievable [3:35] amount of fatigue. Like you guys ever [3:37] have like a real like come to Jesus [3:40] emotional like fight with someone close [3:43] to you afterwards? You're not exactly [3:45] energized. You're like drained in a [3:47] crazy crazy way. And so people who let's [3:51] say get their heart broken. Stacy just [3:53] wouldn't go out with you. and you go and [3:55] try to put that into the gym. In my [3:57] experience, having done some distant [4:00] version of that, [4:01] >> um, I just end up after several days [4:04] feeling so empty because I kind of got [4:07] all the emotions out, but my program is [4:10] like, you need to still do more work. [4:12] And I'm like, oh, but I I don't feel any [4:14] more motivated. I feel drained. And so I [4:17] think the emotions of anger and revenge, [4:21] um, frustration, they're like really [4:23] cool vibes wise to get into the gym and [4:25] do a couple big lifts that if you [4:28] continuously go to that well, especially [4:30] in bodybuilding training, which is like [4:31] sets and reps, [4:33] >> then I in my experience, at least for [4:35] me, I just run out and I'm like, bye. I [4:38] don't have any more motivation. So for [4:40] me, the enjoyment of the lift and the [4:43] challenge of the lift and the focus on [4:44] the lift itself and on the contracting [4:46] musculature, that's what for me really [4:48] gets like a the good vibe and it doesn't [4:52] tire me out like crazy and it's super [4:54] positive. So, like if you had a bad [4:56] experience with Stacy, she broke your [4:58] heart. You go to the gym. Let's say you [5:01] have just oodles of emotional psychic [5:03] energy about Stacy being a bad person, [5:05] you're going to at some point the gym is [5:08] therapy. And so, every workout or every [5:10] even month you go, you're like a little [5:12] bit more over Stacy cuz first of all, [5:14] you barely remember how her face looked [5:16] at that point, but also like you're it's [5:19] really working like you're really [5:20] getting out all of that stuff, getting [5:21] the gunk out, like screaming in the gym. [5:23] And it's like you just run completely [5:25] out of that psychic energy. And at some [5:27] point someone's like, "You're still in [5:29] the gym. What's motivating you?" Like [5:31] the breakup, I think. Um, I actually [5:34] don't care anymore. You don't want that [5:36] to happen cuz the gym is the long term. [5:38] The gym is for decades. And so, you have [5:40] to find a sustainable way to motivate [5:42] yourself in the gym. It can't be [5:45] hamstring screening. That's not [5:47] sustainable is you cannot do that every [5:49] day. It's going to insanely high fatigue [5:51] and eventually you're going to run out [5:52] of it. And so the better thing to have [5:54] in the gym is a more positive approach. [5:56] An approach of loving being there, [5:58] loving the results, loving the action, [6:00] being a precision machine of lifting, so [6:03] that every single rep and set you [6:04] finish, you're like, "Oh man, I'm not [6:06] being drained of anything when I do [6:08] this. I feel enlivened by doing this." [6:10] That will sustain you for a very, very [6:12] long time and make the whole process [6:13] super fun. And the probability of [6:15] getting hurt is real low. you freak out [6:17] like that on something like a deadlift [6:19] and your technique goes crazy because [6:21] you're just having a lot of emotions, [6:22] you can get yourself hurt real fast. [6:23] Super high force production, very [6:25] limited motor control, great great [6:27] recipe for injury. So, I think while it [6:30] is a thing that people get their heart [6:31] broken and then go to the gym and kind [6:32] of fix it up, I just like if I talked to [6:35] somebody who was a gamma man, I'm in [6:36] here cuz Stacy broke my heart and if I [6:39] was their coach or trainer, I would try [6:40] to get them to be like, "Listen, I know [6:41] Stacy you. We hate her. We hate Stacy. [6:44] Let's try to get you in the gym to do [6:46] more of a positive framing, a mindset [6:48] that'll keep you coming back instead of [6:49] just running out of the thing that like [6:51] hurt you to bring you in here. [6:53] >> Do you love the gym, Grim? [6:54] >> I do. I find it so relaxing. I come up [6:57] with some of my best ideas in the gym. [6:59] Like, I look forward to it. And part of [7:01] it is I frame it in a way where I could [7:04] download YouTube videos and I do my [7:05] research and like I could watch those [7:07] YouTube videos on the treadmill or I [7:09] could listen to a podcast while I'm [7:10] lifting weights. [7:11] >> Solid. I love it. [7:12] >> Very solid. [7:12] >> Yeah. Interesting. And for someone who [7:14] doesn't love the gym, you think that [7:16] it's probably an important part of [7:18] getting gain, seeing progress is loving [7:20] the gym? How would someone cross from [7:22] not loving the gym and going in there [7:24] not for the process just because they [7:25] think it's healthy to actually enjoying [7:27] the time spent in the gym? [7:28] >> There's a couple things to do about it. [7:30] One is to architect your goals in such a [7:33] way that you would like achieving them. [7:35] So like some people have goals in the [7:37] gym of like get in shape, which is like [7:39] so nebulous that you're like am I in [7:40] shape? What isn't in shape? But if you [7:43] architect your goal such that you're [7:44] emphasizing the muscle groups you really [7:46] want to look cool on yourself as you [7:48] come to the gym and your body changes. [7:49] You look in the mirror like, "Oh my god, [7:50] I'm like becoming a superhero sort of [7:52] man." And that gets addicting and it [7:54] keeps you coming back. Another thing is [7:56] to find the sets and reps and exercise [7:59] schemes that you really like. Like some [8:01] machines you're going to like more than [8:02] others. So you pick the ones that are [8:03] really effective, lean into the ones you [8:05] like a lot, and all of a sudden like [8:07] you're really looking forward to [8:07] workouts. Another one is picking the [8:09] duration of the workout that you like. [8:10] Some people like long workouts. Some [8:12] people like shorter workouts but more [8:13] often. Another thing huge thing is to do [8:16] training partners that are your friends. [8:18] If you have someone to train with that's [8:19] also your friend and you talk smack [8:21] between just BS. It could just be an [8:23] unbelievable time hanging out with [8:24] friends. And if you like to listen to [8:27] stuff on your headphones, music can help [8:28] and stuff like that. But a lot of it is [8:30] about starting to go just habitually. [8:33] And then at the very least not framing [8:37] the gym in your mind as something you [8:40] hate and have to check a box for. At [8:42] least leave it neutral. You guys know [8:44] how some stuff you're like, I just have [8:46] to get this done. Like getting your car [8:47] oil changed. You're not like psyched [8:49] about it. You're like, as soon as this [8:51] is over, this is going to be awesome. [8:53] Some people go down that road with the [8:55] gym. That's a recipe for burnout. So, [8:58] whatever you do at the gym, at the very [8:59] least, don't think of it as like don't [9:02] clockwatch, you know, like, oh, it's [9:04] just another three sets. Thank God. Try [9:06] to really enjoy the process of what [9:08] you're there for. And over time, you [9:11] could build a feedback loop where you're [9:13] having a good time, you're having good [9:14] results, you're having a good time, [9:16] you're having good results. That builds [9:18] on itself. And then someone's like, [9:19] "What's the gym like?" And you're like, [9:20] "I love the gym. It's a great place." [9:22] And you don't even know why. You feel [9:24] that you like the gym. Why? So you are [9:26] having a great time and getting great [9:28] results. Those things will eventually [9:30] feed that beast. [9:31] >> So for those who are unfamiliar with [9:33] you, I personally am not. I love the [9:35] channel. But what should the viewer know [9:37] about you and why should they listen? [9:39] >> Oh gee whiz. I used to be a professor of [9:41] exercise and sports science. I'm a [9:43] competitive bodybuilder, Brazilian [9:44] jiu-jitsu grappler, and I'm on YouTube [9:46] teaching people how to lift weights and [9:47] eat right and take supplements properly [9:50] so that they get the most out of their [9:51] physique and look their best. [9:52] >> Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Could you beat [9:54] Graham up? No, [9:55] >> definitely not. Jack, [9:57] >> look at him. Are you serious? [9:58] >> Do you see? Do you see this, Jack? [10:00] >> I do see that. And I'm not I saw your [10:02] biceps today for the first time in quite [10:04] a while, and I will say they did [10:05] actually impress me. I was I was very [10:07] impressed. [10:07] >> I know what I'm sleep. [10:12] Is that a thing to be proud of? [10:13] >> Yes. [10:13] >> In actuality, [10:14] >> I think it is. [10:15] >> In actuality, I'm curious. How many [10:17] grams would it take to put up a fight [10:19] against you? [10:20] >> Have you trained in combat sport? [10:21] >> No, but I'm I'm kind of agile. And I [10:25] could dodge pretty easily. [10:27] >> Okay. No weapons. No weapons. [10:29] >> No weapons. Just fists and you know [10:31] >> fists and claws. [10:32] >> Fingernails. And [10:34] >> toenails. He'll fight dirty. [10:35] >> Fight their own. Okay. That that's a [10:37] good idea. How much do you weigh? [10:39] >> 130. [10:40] >> How many grams [10:42] am I like safe up until that point? [10:45] >> Yes. [10:46] >> Three. [10:48] >> It's decent [10:49] >> honestly. Yeah. Like if I were you, I'd [10:51] be pretty stoked with that answer. [10:52] >> That's good. Yeah. Yeah. It could have [10:54] been like 10, you know, like really. [10:55] >> So, I'm curious because I always like [10:57] talking about the money and the finance [10:58] side of things. How is your business [11:00] broken down? How do you make money? [11:02] >> Well, I do I go to work and Mr. Nick [11:04] Shaw, the co-founder of RP, he'll send [11:06] me lunch money so that I can eat and he [11:08] covers my rent and he says later money [11:11] is coming. [11:12] >> I trust him. [11:15] >> All right. And that's the coffee I [11:17] >> But you do make like an income like [11:19] where are you building enterprise value? [11:21] Where are you building net worth? Where [11:23] are you making money? [11:24] >> Most of my money comes in through RP [11:26] Strength. Most of that money comes [11:28] through our software suite of diet coach [11:31] app and training app. And that's how I [11:34] make most of my money. [11:35] >> What's the most that you've made in a [11:37] single day? [11:38] >> There was one month in my career where I [11:40] made over $500,000. [11:43] And that was uh something that was [11:45] confusing to look at on a piece of [11:47] paper. But at the same time, I don't [11:50] spend hardly any of my money. it just [11:52] gets invested and so it and I don't have [11:55] like a big desire to spend money. So to [11:58] me at some point it's just all numbers [12:00] and I didn't know what to feel about it. [12:02] Like should I feel proud about this? [12:04] Should I feel giddy about this? I'm [12:07] constantly working towards a certain set [12:10] of financial goals which are entirely [12:12] arbitrary. And so it's just a small drop [12:15] in the bucket to those goals. And so all [12:17] of that stuff is in my head at the same [12:19] time. Kind of like, "Okay, cool." And [12:22] then I just like later that day, I just [12:23] did the same stuff I would any day. [12:26] Didn't really have an effect. I had a [12:27] chance to meet a billionaire a little [12:29] while back and I asked him what it was [12:32] like after he got a massive income boost [12:34] and he told me a story about how he had [12:36] was architecting a deal that um pushed [12:40] him from, I think, something like a half [12:42] billion in net worth to over one in one [12:45] deal. And I was like, "How did it feel?" [12:48] And he was like, "I went home. I was I [12:52] talked to my wife about this deal [12:53] incessantly over months because it was a [12:55] big thing, right? $600,000 deal or $600 [12:58] million deal. It's a big deal." [13:00] >> She's like, "I came home. I didn't even [13:01] tell my wife that the deal went [13:02] through." [13:03] >> Smart. [13:05] >> She's like, "Some." [13:08] And he's like, "Had dinner with the [13:09] family. Tucked the kids in or whatever." [13:11] And just like never spoke about it, [13:13] never came up. Nothing ever happened. It [13:14] was like the next day it's the same [13:16] thing. And I was like, "Okay, I got to [13:19] remember that if I ever have some kind [13:21] of equity thing happen and I get a big [13:22] influx of money, like note to self, do [13:25] not expect to feel better." And I've had [13:27] this conversation with a few other folks [13:28] that have a lot of money and they all [13:29] say basically the same thing [13:31] >> that like um you're working and hoping [13:33] towards the money is feels a certain [13:35] way. Once you get the money, it's [13:37] typically just doesn't feel like [13:38] anything. If you expect that it doesn't [13:40] feel like anything, you're going to have [13:41] a fine time. If you really expect that [13:44] you're going to feel tons better and [13:45] everything's going to be amazing, you [13:47] are in for probably kind of a time where [13:49] you're like, "What the hell is like what [13:52] is what is this? Like why don't I feel [13:53] anything?" I've heard that a bunch. And [13:55] to the extent that I've made some money, [13:57] uh I would say it's uh frighteningly [13:59] accurate. [14:00] >> I am very motivated by money. I think [14:03] money is an amazing thing. Uh but the [14:06] idea of making money feels like much [14:09] more than once you've actually made it. [14:12] the human brain typically switches to, [14:14] okay, what's next? Like way faster than [14:17] maybe he would want or be able to [14:19] believe. Does that make sense? [14:20] >> Like people think once they get a big [14:22] payday that they're going to be like [14:23] sitting in their bathtub with all the [14:25] money they just collected throwing it [14:26] around like laughing. [14:27] >> That's how I thought it worked. [14:28] >> Yeah. [14:29] >> And then um it turns out like the work [14:31] that you do to make that money is really [14:33] involved, but then once the money hits [14:35] the account, you're like, "Oh, okay. [14:37] Okay, I have more money now. Okay, this [14:41] is oddly quiet. You're like, huh, I [14:44] maybe I'll make more money in the future [14:46] and I'll feel differently about it. But [14:48] so far, that has been my experience. [14:50] >> But there must be an actual quality of [14:52] life difference as you start making more [14:54] and more income. At what point does the [14:57] quality of life not really continue to [14:59] be tied to your income? And we're [15:01] talking about what happens after the [15:02] money hits your account, but if you're [15:04] starting a business, there's a lot to [15:06] figure out before you even get that [15:07] first payment. And one of the basics is [15:09] making sure that people can actually [15:10] find you, look up your business, and [15:12] feel comfortable reaching out. And [15:13] that's something our partner, Northwest [15:15] Registered Agent, helps you get started [15:16] with for free. 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[15:52] That's northwestregistered.com/ic [15:55] or you can click the link down below in [15:57] the description to get started today. At [15:59] what point does the quality of life not [16:01] really continue to be tied to your [16:03] income? It's like I've been very blessed [16:06] that in the last some number of [16:08] basically a decade [16:10] I've made considerably over a million [16:12] dollars every year [16:15] and I typically [16:18] left to my own devices [16:21] will never spend more than about [16:23] $250,000 a year all all expenses living [16:27] expenses everything and that's a figure [16:30] that's boosted a lot by like vacation [16:32] fund which I always give money to but [16:34] don't really use. [16:36] >> And so the the actual figure that I live [16:38] for is like typically less than that and [16:42] I have like a few expenses that are very [16:44] high and I feel constantly guilty about [16:47] them existing but I really prefer to [16:49] have them. [16:50] >> What are those expenses? [16:52] >> Rent on an apartment. [16:55] I have [16:57] um a car that's a lot of money. I pay [17:00] $1,300. [17:01] >> What car is that? A Tesla Model S Plaid. [17:04] It's the single greatest vehicle I've [17:06] ever been in. [17:07] >> I would not feel bad about my soul. I [17:08] feel terrible. What are you nuts? [17:10] >> Cuz which one of you guys is Jewish? [17:12] >> Both technically. [17:14] >> You should feel real bad about the [17:16] $1,300 lease. I feel terrible every day. [17:20] >> Yeah, but it's a But think about it this [17:21] way. It's [17:23] >> right off the hole of it. Like still [17:26] out of but but if it's that the money% [17:30] cheaper if you're on full self-driving. [17:31] You think about it this way. The most [17:32] valuable thing is not your money, but [17:33] it's your life. If you're on full [17:35] self-driving, you're eight times safer [17:37] than an undistracted driver, and you're [17:39] 25 times safer than a distracted driver. [17:42] >> Look at Look at Jack quoting Jason. [17:44] >> I'm just saying Jason Oenheim. Like, I [17:46] literally Jason Oenheim, you know, if [17:48] you're watching this, he posted he's [17:50] definitely not. He posted a story on his [17:51] Instagram saying, "I got full [17:53] self-driving and I'm buying everyone I [17:54] know Teslas." I'm not doing that, but [17:56] he's doing it because it's very safe. [17:58] And he quoted those statistics. I hope [17:59] I'm getting them right. And for me, as [18:01] soon as I heard that, I'm like, "Okay, [18:02] well, I am an undistracted driver, [18:05] admittedly, maybe 50% of the time." And [18:07] then 50% of the time, I'm like on my [18:08] phone getting back to a text, like doing [18:10] whatever. And so, I'm like, "This is [18:12] insane that I'm even taking this risk to [18:14] it to put my own life and other people's [18:15] lives in danger." And so, I'm just going [18:17] to do what what is safe here. So, I [18:19] think it's totally justified. Like [18:20] $1,300 a month is [18:21] >> it. [18:22] >> So, all of this is technically [18:23] justified, but I can still have my [18:24] Jewish feelings about it. You know, [18:26] don't invalidate my faith, my genetics. [18:28] Yes. [18:29] >> So, I have the apartment rent, I have [18:32] the car payment, and I have my dear [18:35] friend who's also my legal person and my [18:38] financial person, and I pay him like [18:40] $10,000 a month so that I don't have to [18:43] ever bother with anything legal or [18:45] financial. It's does not pass the smell [18:47] test. It goes right to him. He's a super [18:49] concier service. He does all kinds of [18:50] stuff for me. It's amazing. [18:53] And then um I have a personal assistant [18:55] that costs a bit of money and the uh the [18:59] the rest is vacation money or food [19:02] money. [19:03] >> What does your apartment cost? Is [19:04] >> it $4,000 a month? [19:07] >> That's not too bad. [19:08] >> It's pretty bad. [19:09] >> Terrible. [19:09] >> That's I mean considering your income, [19:11] it's well below, you know, what we would [19:14] say a reasonable person should budget. [19:16] >> Totally. But I did not grow up with [19:18] money. And so to me, these amounts on [19:20] like raw, they just hit me all wrong. [19:22] I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm spending how [19:23] much money? This is insane." And so it [19:26] makes me feel weird. But but uh I do [19:29] have solace in the fact that the vast [19:31] majority of my income I just invest. And [19:33] so I invest in a combination of uh [19:37] stocks. I I can tell you guys the the [19:39] whole portfolio is really strict. [19:41] >> Yeah, we would love it. [19:42] >> And then I have commercial real estate [19:43] and residential real estate. I'm getting [19:45] out of residential. I'm getting more [19:47] into commercial and more into actually [19:50] commercial/lightindustrial. [19:52] I have a thesis on that. Okay. [19:53] >> And then I have the stock portfolio. The [19:56] light industrial resident uh light [19:58] industrial commercial real estate is [20:00] something that if robotics takes off [20:03] like I think it will, it'll be the [20:05] biggest industry of all time. And I [20:07] think a lot of folks will be looking for [20:08] places to house robots to construct [20:11] everything. [20:12] >> Mhm. And that worst case scenario, if [20:14] whatever business you had in that [20:16] commercial industrial real estate [20:17] doesn't take off or takes off and then [20:20] does the U-shape, you can at the very [20:22] least have like good rental income off [20:24] of uh commercial light industrial [20:26] buildings. It's good investment, good [20:28] resale value typically. [20:29] >> Yeah. Um, and then the stock portfolio [20:32] situation is I do like basically 50/50 [20:35] sort of 50% of my stocks are to like [20:38] broad ETFs cuz I don't typically want to [20:41] bet too much against the market. It's [20:43] just broad market ETFs do really well. [20:45] And then another 50% is fractioned into [20:50] AI, robotics, and compute hardware. [20:53] >> What's been the most money you've lost? [20:56] >> Scram's favorite topic. [20:59] I don't think I've like really lost a [21:01] bunch of money. I don't look at my [21:02] stocks day to day or week to week. I [21:03] don't even look at the month to month. [21:05] >> What about in the business? [21:07] >> Uh we've never had a day in the red. [21:09] >> You've always just been up. [21:10] >> Yeah. Well, different degrees of it. [21:12] >> Yeah, sure. [21:13] >> But we've never crossed into the red. Uh [21:16] so I can't say we've ever lost any [21:17] money, but we take a very low risk [21:19] approach to business. That's probably [21:21] not the best if you want to make the [21:22] most money in the long term, [21:24] >> but my colleagues and I are very [21:26] riskaverse. What's the biggest deal [21:27] you've said no to? [21:29] >> Yeah, some folks in the supplement space [21:31] have offered some money and at the time [21:34] we weren't really courting sponsors and [21:36] so we have to be like, "Hey, sorry, [21:38] thank you." Um, that's always weird. [21:41] Turning down money is weird, but I don't [21:44] think there's ever a big big deal I've [21:46] been offered that I said no to. [21:48] >> In life, what is the best and the worst [21:50] thing to spend your money on? In my [21:52] opinion, the worst stuff to spend your [21:54] money on [21:56] is on [21:58] objects that you think will impress [22:00] other people, that don't actually give [22:03] you any pleasure endogenously for [22:05] yourself, and that cost a lot of money, [22:09] but also have deprecating value over [22:12] time and cost a lot of upkeep. [22:16] Like perfect example is like that [22:18] amazing car [22:20] that you purchased soon as you drove it [22:23] off the lot. It's like 40% of it value [22:25] is gone. [22:26] >> You don't even like the car. But other [22:28] people you think will look at the car [22:30] and be like me as a man of money. See, [22:32] but you don't ever hear them talking. [22:34] You have no idea if they're saying [22:35] anything. And you feel awkward about [22:38] being like putting up such a front to be [22:40] like, "Oh, see I'm rich or whatever." [22:42] And then the car costs maintenance. It's [22:45] like exotic. You can't take it to every [22:46] dealership. And so it just bleeds money [22:49] out of you. And afterwards, you finally [22:51] get rid of the car four years later, [22:52] someone's like, "Did you like having [22:54] that Ferrari or whatever?" You're like, [22:55] "No, no, it's a giant pain in the and it [22:58] cost me an unbelievable amount of [23:00] money." And I never recouped it when I [23:02] sold it. That to me, I think for some [23:04] folks, they love that sort of thing. For [23:06] me, it would just be completely a [23:08] non-starter, which is why I've never [23:10] done it. The best thing to spend your [23:12] money on by a long shot [23:15] uh I think is general stock market [23:17] investing. I'll tell you why. You're [23:20] doing two things. One is you're giving [23:22] capital to where the wisdom of the [23:25] market thinks it is best used to help [23:28] society which is incredible. Like if I [23:30] give my money to the broad market, [23:32] Google gets a lot of it. Nvidia gets a [23:34] lot of it. Uh Sam's Club and Costco get [23:36] a lot of it. And like these are the [23:38] companies Amazon, they're like doing the [23:40] most good in the world. Like where would [23:42] we be without Google and Amazon? [23:43] Seriously, legit, where would we be? I [23:45] have no idea. I don't want to live in [23:46] that dark world. So, not only is your [23:47] money doing incredible things by [23:49] supporting amazing businesses and [23:50] architectures, [23:52] but at the same time, what it's doing is [23:54] that money is technically going to work [23:56] for you in some really deep sense like [23:58] that capital is being is used for [24:00] productive asset. And so, it actually [24:02] just increases. And there's a certain [24:05] level at which if you put enough money [24:06] into stocks, you can live on the money [24:10] that you get from stocks, but also make [24:12] enough from stocks that some of the [24:14] money left over gets reinvested. So [24:16] whatever amount of wealth you have just [24:19] keeps going up and you never have to go [24:22] to work. To me, that is the golden [24:24] fleece of why to have money. Obviously, [24:28] it occurs at some level of income. For [24:30] many people between 10 and $20 million [24:33] total invested, they'll have some [24:34] version of that depending on your [24:35] spending proclivities. Of course, that [24:38] idea that if you put money away and you [24:40] get so much money at some point that [24:42] it's forever increasing money, it's like [24:44] a money tree that keeps growing is wild. [24:48] I first found out about it, I was like, [24:50] "What?" [24:50] >> It's called the safe withdrawal rate. [24:52] SWR. [24:53] >> When did you first find out? Like 3 [24:56] years ago or something like that? [24:57] >> Three years ago. [24:58] >> Mhm. [24:58] >> What clicked? I was finally making [25:00] enough money to where I could set that [25:02] as a realistic goal at some point in my [25:04] life because at some point, so I've had [25:06] several phases of making a lot of money. [25:07] I remember the first time that we made a [25:10] lot of money in the company selling [25:11] digital products, I had been paid for [25:13] like a week and it was like $40,000. And [25:16] at my professor job at the time, I was [25:18] making like $57,000 a year. And I [25:21] remember like seeing the transaction [25:23] occur. I remember I was at my in my [25:25] friend's kitchen and I was just like, I [25:27] don't even know what the purpose of my [25:29] life is anymore. Like I had no context [25:31] for this whatsoever. Like what the hell [25:33] is happening? How is this happening? And [25:35] so I was just like, well, I just better [25:37] start getting real estate, I guess. So I [25:38] started doing that. And then, you know, [25:41] later on I found out that like, oh, [25:44] there's this magic like escape velocity [25:46] level of money to where your money does [25:48] money stuff by itself and you just don't [25:50] have to go to work. I don't mean you [25:51] can, but it's just going to keep going [25:52] up. And uh when I found out about that, [25:55] I spent a few a few days like like whoa [25:58] whoa whoa. And then ever since then, [26:01] I've been trying to get to my own [26:02] version of that. [26:02] >> I'm going to take a shot in the dark [26:03] here. You don't have to confirm or deny [26:05] it, but you said that you have some [26:06] ambiguous goal for money. I'm guessing [26:09] that you found that a conservative SWR [26:13] would be 3%, right? You could [26:15] conservatively take 3% from your pile of [26:17] money if it's invested in the markets [26:18] and it will continue forever. And you [26:20] said 250,000. So I'm going to say your [26:22] ambiguous goal, not so ambiguous, is [26:24] about $10 million. And once you have [26:26] that, then you're safe. [26:28] >> Yeah, that's that's correct. [26:30] >> Yeah, but I don't think you would [26:31] anything would change. You would hit 10 [26:32] million and be like, "All right, back to [26:33] work." [26:34] >> You probably love what you do. [26:35] >> After that, I my goal would become like [26:37] I don't know some arbitrary number. I [26:39] actually do have a separate goal now due [26:42] to timing. [26:44] My separate goal is basically like this [26:47] is all BS by the way because just I do [26:49] my job because I I have a responsibility [26:52] to my team to do my job and with tons of [26:55] tons of people to help get in shape is [26:57] why I do my job. I would just do my job [27:00] anyway no matter what amount of money it [27:01] paid is my life. So you need like some [27:05] BS to keep you going. And so some of my [27:08] goals are like all right I'll pick an [27:09] arbitrary goal. And so now my goal is [27:15] how much money could I invest into the [27:17] stock market or even forget about that [27:21] >> make privately myself [27:23] >> before two things happen. One AI agents [27:28] become the only way people do money in [27:31] the stock market. So at some point [27:35] um super intelligent AI will invest your [27:38] money for you better than you ever [27:39] could. It is inevitable. It is several [27:42] years away at most depending on legal [27:45] stuff. It could be a little longer than [27:47] that or shorter than that. So something [27:50] really magical happens when the AI takes [27:52] your money and invests it for you [27:54] because you could just be so confident [27:55] about going here take more money and [27:57] then like the motivation to work even [27:58] harder to pour even more fire on that [28:00] pile of money. So wrong analogy more [28:03] money on that fire is uh is massive. And [28:06] then there's a second inflection point [28:08] there where the machine economy produces [28:12] more value off of your invested capital [28:15] than you can as a human. It's like I [28:18] currently make like a lot of money. It's [28:20] awesome that at some point the [28:22] combination of robotics and AI will take [28:25] the money that I have invested a stock [28:26] market and will make more out of it than [28:30] I could out of my own talent. That is [28:32] also inevitable. is also going to happen [28:35] probably sometime for me in the early [28:37] 2030s if not earlier maybe that it's [28:40] really wacky. I can tell you guys [28:42] exactly why that gets wacky. There's a [28:44] specific reason I'm confident that this [28:45] will occur. But those are really trippy [28:48] numbers because it's kind of like once [28:50] the machines are really good at making [28:51] money for you. You not going to be so [28:53] focused on making money in your job. [28:55] You're going to really be focused on [28:56] doing whatever like super intelligence [28:58] says is the next best idea for you to be [28:59] doing. So until then, I'm kind of [29:01] grinding as hard as I can to just for [29:04] and giggles is try to see how much money [29:05] I can accumulate until that point. [29:07] >> I mean, I would just say that I [29:09] personally completely agree with that. I [29:11] believe Andrew Yang, I believe Elon [29:13] Musk, there's going to be a universal [29:14] high income. [29:16] >> Um, and then what happens when that [29:17] occurs, I have no idea. I'm hoping that [29:20] it's great and I'm hoping everyone has [29:21] access to everything, but it's also [29:23] impossible to predict the future. So, [29:25] I'm sort of a member of your camp of [29:26] like grind as hard as I can, save and [29:28] make as much as I can, and then see what [29:30] happens. [29:31] >> Yes. [29:31] >> Hedge against whatever chaos could [29:33] possibly ensue. [29:34] >> Uh, yeah. And it's probably like no [29:36] chaos will ensue. It's probably all just [29:38] for vibes, [29:39] >> but it's unknown. That's the main thing. [29:40] It's unknown. [29:41] >> It's unknown. For sure. For sure. [29:43] >> So, we have a list of 10 things that are [29:45] either fact or fiction with health. And [29:48] we'd love to hear your opinion on that. [29:49] >> Okay, I'll try. Number one, you have to [29:52] train to failure to build muscle. [29:54] >> False. But you have to get close. Within [29:57] three, four reps away from failure is [29:59] where most of the good gains seem to be [30:01] happening. [30:02] >> And when do you know you're at failure? [30:04] What does it mean? [30:05] >> When you're trying really hard, but the [30:06] bar won't move anymore. [30:07] >> Yeah, but sometimes people have a little [30:09] extra. Like, you know, if you're doing [30:10] it, I've seen you train, you're not the [30:12] person to talk right now. Just I'm just [30:14] saying if someone walks over and they [30:15] just like put a finger on the weight and [30:17] all of a sudden now you could do like [30:18] three more reps even though they're like [30:20] not even touching that thing. [30:21] >> Yep. That means that you had more in the [30:22] tank and what you thought was three reps [30:24] in reserve was really six reps in [30:26] reserve for example. What you thought [30:27] was zero reps in reserve was actually [30:30] three. [30:30] >> So how much is mental? Um, for people [30:32] that are not experienced in training a [30:35] lot, the more experience you get, the [30:37] more you figure out how to get [30:38] everything out of your muscles that you [30:40] can, and then the more your uh the your [30:42] idea of how many reps you have left in [30:44] the tank becomes more reliable. [30:46] >> Can you lift heavier if you're [30:48] screaming? [30:48] >> Now, we're talking about getting more [30:50] out of your workouts, but you want to [30:51] make sure that you're getting more out [30:52] of the money that you're spending at the [30:54] gym, groceries, and all of the other [30:55] things because those are expenses that [30:57] add up every single month. Especially [30:59] when you're trying to eat better and [31:00] stay consistent. You're probably buying [31:01] a lot of the same things every week. 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[32:55] That's ziprecruiter.com/ic. [32:58] Meet your match on Ziprecruiter. Can you [33:00] lift heavier if you're screaming? [33:02] >> Gee whiz. If they tell you to scream in [33:05] an exercise science study versus not [33:07] telling you to scream, probably not. If [33:10] you are screaming because of a side [33:12] effect of being really amped up, [33:14] probably. But it's the amping that [33:16] causes the screaming and causes the [33:18] bigger weights. I wouldn't go in the gym [33:19] and just start yelling. You could if you [33:21] have a hamstring machine. [33:22] >> Who has the hardest workouts of all [33:24] time? Tom Plattz, [33:25] >> you would say that confidently? [33:27] >> Uh, no. Because I've seen almost nobody [33:29] work out, relatively speaking, to how [33:31] many people have trained. Um, do you [33:33] guys know who uh Dark Cash Patel is by [33:36] any chance? He's an AI podcaster. [33:39] >> He's a San Francisco person and he [33:42] interviews all the OpenAI and anthropic [33:43] people all the time. Um, Dwar is a [33:46] client of mine. Dark Cash sends every [33:49] set into the sun and I legitimately [33:53] worry for him at times because I'm like [33:55] he's just going to break himself into [33:56] pieces. He is an Indian god of gods and [34:00] training around Dark Cash makes me [34:02] reexamine. Do I [34:04] >> He's in really good shape, but you [34:06] wouldn't he's a sleeper. You wouldn't [34:07] think like you'd be like, "Oh, it's like [34:08] an Indian tech dude. Of course, he's [34:10] going to train fine. Holy crap." Like [34:12] I've seen his body convulse in ways [34:14] underweights where I'm like, "Disel say [34:15] something. He's going to break." But he [34:17] doesn't break. He's just doing it. He's [34:18] the man. So for every famous bodybuilder [34:21] that you have that you think trains [34:22] really hard, there's some Indian dude in [34:24] a basement somewhere, bro, that's going [34:25] way harder. That's like a real thing. [34:27] But Tom Plattz, [34:29] his leg workout, his everything workout, [34:32] the facial expressions, the whatever [34:33] beyond failure is like an illusion to [34:35] him. He can always do one more rep. It's [34:37] crazy. Like I would shudder. Like if he [34:39] was like, "Hey, do you want if he was, [34:40] you know, if I was back in the 80s and [34:42] he was like, "Hey, you want to catch a [34:42] workout?" I'd be like, "I'm sick. My leg [34:44] is hurt. My dog did my homework and I [34:46] would just run. [34:47] >> Yeah. The second claim is 3 days in the [34:49] gym is enough for most people. [34:51] >> Oh yeah, 2 days is enough for most [34:53] people for sure. [34:54] >> How do you get that good of a workout in [34:55] two days? [34:56] >> You have to take your rest times and [34:58] collapse them to almost nothing. You [35:00] have to do uh exercises that recruit [35:02] large muscle masses. Like for example, [35:04] you can do squats and pair it with [35:06] upright rows. When you're doing upright [35:08] rows, it's your shoulders, it's your [35:09] traps, it's your forearms, it's your [35:11] biceps. When you do squats, it's like [35:12] half the muscles in your lower body. And [35:14] so those are both really hard things to [35:15] do. If you do a set of squats, you walk [35:17] over, do a set of arpeggio rows, you [35:19] walk back, you do a set of squats, back [35:20] to back to back to back, you do [35:22] everything, every movement you do paired [35:24] like that, back to back, and you do six [35:26] movements, it's going to take you about [35:28] 30 minutes and you will be like maybe [35:30] four sets per per movement, you're going [35:32] to be toast. It's brutal. But 40 minutes [35:35] twice a week, man, you're going to get [35:36] unbelievable shape. [35:37] >> How many sets per muscle group or how [35:39] many different exercises per muscle [35:41] group, I should add? I I in that case [35:43] you're doing like one exercise per [35:45] muscle group per session. Oh yeah, for [35:47] sure. [35:48] >> So everybody has a max physique [35:50] potential that they can achieve. What [35:52] percent of their max potential could [35:54] they achieve by working out twice a [35:56] week? [35:56] >> 70%. [35:58] >> And 3 days per week [35:59] >> 80 85 [36:00] >> obviously dependent on the quality of [36:02] the workout. [36:02] >> Yeah. [36:03] >> So if someone's going for the 8020 what [36:04] do you recommend? depending on how they [36:06] like to pace themselves. Anywhere [36:09] between three and four workouts a week [36:12] is great. If you're going for 75 25, [36:15] even two hard workouts is going to be [36:18] amazing. The thing is though, [36:20] >> it's an interesting way to that you [36:22] phrased it of like your max genetic [36:24] potential. [36:26] The vast majority of people that I've [36:27] interacted with, especially like [36:29] business professionals, folks that [36:30] probably watch this show, they're not [36:32] like so interested in getting close to [36:34] their max genetic potential. They just [36:36] want to look good. Like I look at your [36:38] physique. You clearly work out. You're [36:40] clearly in good shape. You're not a pro [36:41] bodybuilder or some, but I see you at [36:43] the store and I'm like, this is a guy [36:44] that's got his act together. Like this [36:46] is a great physique. Can I build your [36:48] physique in two sessions a week, 40 [36:50] minutes at a time? Yeah, you bet. Do I [36:52] care if I'm you? That like, oh yes, but [36:54] I could be even more exotic if I did 10 [36:56] times the work. I don't know. Sure. But [36:59] that's a personal choice. So my big [37:00] thing that I like to do with folks is [37:03] get them that minimum amount of [37:04] exercise. Two sessions of 30 to 40 [37:07] minutes per week, three sessions maybe. [37:09] That doesn't destroy their entire life [37:10] with just you just work out now, you got [37:12] to divorce your wife, leave the kids, [37:14] all you do is lift. You don't want any [37:16] of that. You just want amazing results. [37:18] And if someone looks at their body after [37:19] two years of good dieting, good [37:21] training, and they're like, "Man, I love [37:22] this, but I don't need anymore. Amazing. [37:25] You did great." And maybe that's only [37:27] 60% of your genetic potential. What do [37:30] you care? Do you want to be the best [37:32] that your genetics allow? If that's the [37:34] case, well, you can always do more. So, [37:35] if two is going great, two workouts a [37:37] week, try three. If you love three, you [37:40] just want desperately to work out more [37:41] and better results, try four. It's a [37:43] curve linear thing though that tops out [37:45] at about six sessions per week. And then [37:48] after that you do real weird exotic [37:50] stuff to make any more gains. So you got [37:52] to be careful about thinking like, "Oh, [37:53] I'm going to work out double. It's going [37:55] to give me double the gains." It won't. [37:56] It'll give you like time and a half the [37:57] gains or 1.25 the gain. [37:59] >> Should anyone work out 7 days a week? [38:02] >> No. Because your body thrives on a [38:05] combination of incredibly hard stimulus [38:07] and rest. And so if you take one of [38:09] those away from the equation, it doesn't [38:10] work that well anymore. So at least one [38:13] day a week off is a really good idea for [38:15] almost everybody. Six days a week that [38:17] is a full send plan. You're going to [38:18] need that one day to reh rest and [38:20] recover. Can you technically pull off 7 [38:22] days a week of training? You technically [38:24] can. Is it the best idea in the world? [38:26] No, I would not say it is. [38:28] >> The third claim is that you can't [38:29] outrain a bad diet. [38:31] >> That's one of the truest things like [38:32] ever spoken as far as like the amount of [38:34] wisdom density in a small number of [38:35] words. That's up there with the best [38:37] things. A [38:38] >> and boy have people tried [38:41] Uh, I was just on a debate podcast, Joe, [38:44] with a bunch of folks and one gentleman [38:46] there had lost an unbelievable amount of [38:48] weight, but he spent 5 hours in the gym [38:51] per day. [38:52] >> Wow. [38:53] >> Yeah. And so he he did outrain a bad [38:56] diet, but like 5 hours a day, I don't [39:00] know if anyone's winning that one, you [39:02] know. [39:02] >> What was he eating? like more or less [39:05] standard food that he used to, but he [39:07] just made up for it with 5 hours of [39:08] training. And then he lost some weight. [39:10] And then later he lost all that weight [39:12] and then some again by training way [39:14] less, but he just actually controlled [39:15] his diet. The thing is the amount of [39:18] calories you burn in the gym per unit [39:20] time, like per hour, compared to the [39:23] kinds of foods that you would see in the [39:25] wild as a foraging human, berries, [39:27] roots, maybe some animal dies is [39:30] actually quite quite like comparable. [39:31] And so like you you need to keep eating [39:33] to stay alive out in the wild. They [39:35] invented this thing recently called the [39:37] donut and also the Ben & Jerry's. And [39:40] like he the amount of physical activity [39:43] you'd have to input into your body to [39:45] burn off a Ben & Jerry's pint is like 3 [39:49] hours of psychotic cardio. You're not [39:52] going to do that. The fatigue level is [39:54] going to go crazy. You're going to get [39:55] home. You're going to have another pint [39:57] of Ben & Jerry's. You're going to gain [39:58] weight. And so out training a bad diet [40:01] is just way easier to eat the calories [40:03] than it is to train them out. So you [40:04] don't want to do that. You want diet [40:06] calorie control to be the thing that [40:08] causes most of the weight loss. [40:09] >> The next question is, can fast food be a [40:12] part of a healthy diet? [40:14] >> Yes, absolutely. If you do two things [40:16] with it, you don't eat it all the time, [40:18] maybe a few times a week. And also the [40:20] total [40:20] >> few times a week. [40:22] >> Yeah. Oh yeah, [40:22] >> that sounds like a lot cuz a few is [40:24] three or four. [40:25] >> Yep. You can eat fast food three or four [40:26] times a week, no problem. [40:27] >> What fast food are we talking? Whatever [40:29] you like because I'm listening. [40:30] >> Uh Long John Silvers, but you haven't [40:32] heard that name for a while. [40:34] >> Fast. It's not fast food. Fast casual [40:36] fast. Long John Silvers is absolutely [40:38] fast food in every sense of the word. [40:40] >> I've never actually been there. We don't [40:41] have that here. [40:42] >> I refuse to believe. We show you a [40:44] picture like [40:45] >> we get some data on Long John Silvers [40:46] out in Vegas. [40:47] >> Is there a Long John Silvers in Vegas is [40:49] what all people want to know. [40:50] McDonald's, Burger King, all of them. [40:51] You can eat all that stuff several times [40:53] a week. But it the number one rule is so [40:56] first of all, don't eat it all the damn [40:57] times. It's going to cause some health [40:58] problems. [40:59] >> We have confirmation there is indeed a [41:00] Long John Silver team here. [41:01] >> Boom. [41:02] >> We got to go. [41:03] >> We got to go. [41:04] >> You're going to call me like this place [41:06] sucks. Sorry, [41:08] >> Joe. I'm going here three days a week [41:09] just like you said. [41:11] >> I'm gaining weight. [41:12] >> What's going on? [41:13] >> The doctor says I'm crazy. [41:15] >> Um, you have to control for total [41:17] calories. So, the way people get in [41:20] trouble with fast food is if they eat it [41:21] all the time, it's got all sorts of [41:22] stuff that's not great for you. It's not [41:24] terrible for you, but it's not great. [41:25] just on ingredients alone, it's not good [41:27] for your health. So, if you're eating it [41:28] like twice a day, not a good idea in [41:30] most cases, but a few times a week is [41:32] fine as long as your total calories are [41:34] here. And the fast food does this [41:36] instead of that. And so, that's how [41:38] people get trouble. Fast food [41:39] predominantly is they just overeat it [41:41] because fast food is two things, three [41:43] things. Super tasty, super calorie [41:46] dense. So, you eat it for like five [41:47] minutes, you're like, "What the hell? I [41:48] had how many calories?" And super high [41:50] in calories per portion. you do that [41:52] sort of thing, you're going to be [41:53] gaining weight because your calories go [41:54] over. So, if you can stuff a [41:56] cheeseburger in and not go over your [41:58] calories for the day, you can have that [41:59] a few times a week and you're going to [42:00] be hunky dory. [42:01] >> Fifth claim, seed oils are the worst [42:04] thing in the American diet. [42:05] >> I think they're the worst thing in the [42:06] world. You know, like his absolute most [42:09] evil prime still not as bad as seed [42:11] oils. Next question. [42:12] >> Why is that? [42:14] >> Uh, well, [42:15] >> okay. Because No, [42:16] >> I think could have just done more bad. [42:18] >> No, no. In terms of seed oils, we get [42:21] those uh Bill Bars and apparently they [42:24] have [42:24] >> puffs are super tasty. [42:26] >> Yeah, but they have like seed oil. I was [42:27] showing it to a buddy and he's like, [42:28] "Oh, no. You should be How many do you [42:30] eat?" And I'm like, "I eat probably two [42:31] to three a day." [42:32] >> You eat two to three a day, dude. That's [42:33] coming out of the ice coffee on a [42:34] budget, dude. [42:35] >> You're No, I have them at home. [42:37] >> Oh, yeah. [42:39] >> You're still using the company card, [42:40] though, aren't you? [42:41] >> Bud taking [42:44] you. We go for a we we'll travel for a [42:46] trip. He just raids the pantry. [42:48] >> Yeah, but that's a work that's a work [42:50] trip. A work trip. That's a work trip. [42:52] >> Two juice a [42:54] two to three a day. And a buddy was [42:56] looking at this. He's like, "No, this is [42:57] really bad because the seed oil and [42:58] you're eating and I looked it up online [43:00] and it was like the amount that I would [43:01] have to eat to actually be harmful is [43:04] like dozens of these things. [43:05] >> Seed oils are not bad for your health. [43:07] That is one of the most common myths in [43:10] the nutrition space. The direct research [43:13] comparing food that's identical where [43:15] they took out some saturated fat, [43:17] replaced it with seed oil, and vice [43:19] versa, shows that seed oils are [43:21] healthier than saturated fats in most [43:23] analyses. Straight up. Straight up. So, [43:27] if you have two different individuals [43:28] that both do the research, they're both [43:30] PhD people. They they have all the [43:33] accolades that one could possibly want [43:34] to be able to make the determination, [43:36] how do you have so many people on one [43:38] side saying that they're totally fine [43:39] and so many people on the other side [43:40] saying they are not fine? Like that's [43:43] the thing that confuses me. [43:44] >> Seems like there's money on both sides. [43:46] >> And I see so many podcasts like like one [43:49] week, one week it'll be a guy that's [43:51] just like I don't touch the seed oils [43:52] and then one week later it's like seed [43:54] oils are completely fine. And I'm like, [43:56] I honestly I'm either dumb or I have you [43:58] know what it was Gary Brea who said on [44:00] the ice coffee hour a while ago that [44:03] saved Dana White's life. [44:04] >> He did none of that. [44:07] I don't know what Gary Brea did for Dana [44:09] White. Gary Brea is a person who lies [44:11] constantly. Straight up. Gary Brea is [44:14] not an expert as far as I know in [44:16] anything. [44:16] >> What's he lying about? [44:17] >> Is almost all of his health claims are [44:19] just fictitious bull. Hydrogen water, [44:22] seed oils, you name it. He once said [44:24] that if you mix like your salt with a [44:28] metal spoon, it like ionizes it or [44:30] something. You need like a wooden spoon. [44:31] This is total bat insanity. It's just [44:34] make believe. I'm sorry. There's time [44:36] for civility and a time for truth. And [44:38] so I would not rely on Gary Brea for my [44:41] fitness and health advice by any stretch [44:43] of the imagination. And Ger Brea is not [44:45] one of these people that has advanced [44:47] degrees. He does not have an advanced [44:48] degree. My apologies for that. Now, how [44:53] do we get a dichotomy of people? There [44:55] is a way to see this that makes some [44:56] sense. Some of the people that have [44:59] advanced degrees, they look at the [45:01] chemical research on seed oils, the [45:05] specific dennaturation of the seed oils [45:07] that occurs through processing. They're [45:09] inferring that that should have a [45:11] negative health effect based on studies [45:14] in in the laboratory, studies exposing [45:16] cells, some limited work exposing [45:18] animals to seed oils. That's a lot of [45:21] inference to get to the idea that seed [45:22] oils are bad for you. Most of that is [45:25] fine inference, but you can't be too [45:27] confident in it. Though, it is very [45:28] mechanistic and very hard science. And [45:30] so, you have people like that get on [45:32] podcasts and they say a lot of stuff [45:33] about how seed oils could be bad. And [45:35] people are like, "Oh my god, this guy [45:36] has an MD PhD and he's this is what he [45:38] does. It's clearly a thing." Then [45:39] there's actually the direct research on [45:41] seed oils, which is taking human beings, [45:43] feeding them for weeks and months, [45:45] either like lots of seed oils or lots of [45:47] not seed oils. Almost all of that [45:49] research is unidirectional. It's seed [45:52] oils are just not bad for your health [45:54] and they're better for your health than [45:55] saturated fat. [45:56] >> What about microlastics? Because I hear [45:58] that thrown around a lot like, "Oh, the [46:00] microplastics." [46:01] >> Yes, microplastics are potentially a [46:04] vector for all sorts of health malady, [46:06] but we do not have the kind of [46:09] fine-tuned aggregate data that would [46:11] suggest a confident prescription that [46:13] microplastics are really, really bad. So [46:16] this is one of these like in the future [46:18] we might be like man microplastics [46:20] really screwed us up or we might be like [46:22] microplastics were completely overrated [46:23] as something that's super bad. We just [46:25] can't tell. Science unfortunately has a [46:27] lot of like we just don't know yet kind [46:28] of answers but that's like that's the [46:30] honest answer because I could tell you [46:32] all sorts of stories about [46:32] microplastics. Most of them will be [46:34] fictitious. All almost everyone who is [46:36] speculating that microplastics are bad [46:38] for you is speculated. That does not [46:40] mean they're incorrect. But it just [46:41] means that most people are a little bit [46:42] too confident about what microplastics [46:44] do and don't do to your body. [46:46] >> Made me think for a brief moment about [46:48] this story when I was like watching a [46:49] bunch of Paul Saladino. I was watching [46:51] all these people saying seed oils are [46:52] bad and what you need to eat is like [46:54] natural ground beef with honey and [46:57] unpasteurized cheese or something like [46:59] that. All these things. And I I made a [47:01] plate of this with my friend. And just [47:04] looking at it before I ate it, it was [47:06] like a hunk of red meat with cheese just [47:09] completely drenching it and then a glob [47:12] of honey on the top. And I'm like and [47:14] and then there's just a banana beside [47:15] it. And I was I like I had to think to [47:17] myself, I'm unpasteurized milk as well. [47:19] I was [47:20] >> as I was like about to eat I'm like this [47:22] just looks like the exact opposite of [47:24] everything that I was raised to like [47:26] eat. [47:26] >> Yeah. But you were the government [47:29] infected your mind. You were raised you [47:31] don't really know. you know, it's all [47:33] this all this propaganda. That's what [47:35] those people actually say a lot. No. Um, [47:38] it definitely does like you're like, [47:40] "Okay, I'm eating like steak and cheese, [47:41] but I guess it's the good kind or [47:43] something." The stuff that that has not [47:45] aged well in the research literature. [47:47] So, it turns out a high saturated fat [47:49] diet is probably not good for your [47:50] health. Um, eating super high calorie [47:53] dense foods probably not good for your [47:54] health. Is chewing most kinds of like [47:56] fiber and vegetables is not good for [47:58] your health. The carnivore diet's not [48:00] doing so well nowadays. And so people [48:02] have a lot of feelings about how they're [48:04] dieting, but the the insight from [48:06] science, from direct research, vast [48:09] majority of nutritionists, goes against [48:11] the vast majority of that. [48:12] >> 30 seconds. Why is the carnivore diet so [48:15] bad? [48:15] >> It lacks [48:18] nuts, healthy oils, vegetables, fruits, [48:22] and whole grains. Everything I just [48:24] listed are some of the most [48:25] healthpromoting foods of all time. And [48:28] so it just gets rid of most of the food [48:30] in your diet that's actually super [48:31] healthy and awesome for you. [48:32] Specifically, veggies and fiber is [48:34] something that you really really benefit [48:36] from. And a carnivore diet just takes [48:38] all of that off the table. And the [48:40] direct literature on the carnivore diet [48:41] is that it causes not so great stuff for [48:43] health. [48:43] >> I'm not a doctor, so I can't necessarily [48:45] challenge anything that you're saying. I [48:47] >> challenge no matter who I Well, I [48:49] certainly can't challenge this, but you [48:51] know, don't take anything you hear on [48:52] this podcast as dogma. Do your own [48:54] research. That could very well be true. [48:55] Also, the glob of honey on top of the [48:57] meat and cheese could totally be true as [48:58] well. I don't really know. [49:00] >> And the banana, [49:00] >> I didn't feel amazing after it, you [49:02] know, but it did taste really good. [49:04] >> Well, to your point, I don't feel [49:05] amazing after eating salads, but [49:07] apparently they're good for you. I just [49:08] feel hungry still. I would say the best [49:09] way to parse nutritional claims like [49:11] that is to talk to your favorite AI [49:13] model on its highest reasoning mode and [49:15] be like, "Hey, these people say this, [49:17] these people say that. Who is the [49:19] evidence and reasoning siding more [49:21] with?" and the AI models almost [49:23] certainly will give you better insight [49:24] on that than most experts. [49:26] >> The sixth claim is that most supplements [49:28] are a waste of money. [49:29] >> It's probably true. [49:31] >> And which aren't if you were to name [49:33] five supplements that people should look [49:34] into? [49:35] >> Whey protein is not a waste of money. [49:37] >> Creatine is not a waste of money. Um, [49:41] zinc is not a waste of money. Magnesium [49:43] is not a waste. The D vitamins are [49:46] pretty good. fish oils that are properly [49:49] uh attended to. EPA, DHA, healthy fats, [49:51] omega-3s are not a waste of money. And [49:53] there's probably a few ones down there. [49:54] I mean, like if you take caffeine as a [49:56] supplement, that's a fine use. And and [49:58] probably a few others that have smaller [50:00] impacts, some vitamins and minerals. [50:03] Everything else on top of that. There [50:04] there are supplements that work okay, [50:07] but there's a difference between saying [50:08] like this supplement in the context of [50:10] your diet could be good for you versus [50:13] everybody should supplement with XYZ. [50:16] huge huge differences there. And so most [50:18] people just probably don't need most [50:20] supplements. But there's a lot of other [50:21] supplements that are just like I don't [50:23] even know what they do. There's no [50:24] research on them whatsoever. People just [50:25] have all claims for them. [50:27] >> I will say I'm very very skeptical when [50:30] it comes to supplements. I am medicated. [50:32] I only take it maybe once a week or so, [50:35] especially when I'm traveling for sleep. [50:37] I take like a a sleep aid very rarely. [50:40] That was the only thing that could put [50:41] me to sleep if I was having a hard [50:43] night. I started taking magnesium and I [50:45] was blown away. Like it actually made a [50:47] difference. And I don't know if it's the [50:48] specific one that I'm taking, but it [50:50] legitimately made a difference and I [50:52] sleep like very deeply now. I'm I'm sort [50:55] of a naturalist. Like I don't take It's [50:56] amazing. [50:57] >> Yeah, magnesium can make a difference. [50:58] It doesn't make a difference in all [51:00] people, but it can make a difference in [51:01] some. [51:01] >> The next claim is that strict diets [51:03] always fail. [51:04] >> You know, anytime you hear a claim that [51:05] has always in it, you better be like [51:07] dealing with natural laws, otherwise it [51:09] doesn't work out so well. [51:11] >> Strict diets fail a lot, though. So [51:13] claim is like mostly true because strict [51:17] diets have this really big um they have [51:20] a big cost of bandwidth. [51:23] You have to like change how you're [51:26] eating in most circumstances. You you [51:29] can't go out like a normal person would [51:31] anymore. Your life is now substantially [51:33] more inconvenient. [51:35] And that cost that you pay all the time, [51:38] it wears on you. One of the number one [51:40] things in behavior science is building [51:43] habits that are as sustainable as [51:45] possible. If your gym is across the [51:48] street, you're way more likely to go [51:49] than if it's 30 minutes across town. And [51:51] so, if you've architected a diet for [51:53] yourself that is insanely strict and has [51:56] almost no flexibility, but as you guys [51:58] know, life is very flexible thing. Your [52:01] probability of falling off the wagon is [52:03] going to be really high, which is why [52:05] most people do not do well with strict [52:06] diets and probably shouldn't be trying [52:08] them. The eighth claim is that most men [52:10] over 40 should be on TRT. [52:12] >> False, [52:14] but maybe not by much. I would say if [52:17] you're over 40, making sure to get your [52:20] lifestyle boxes checked, [52:22] >> that you're doing exercise, good [52:24] nutrition, good stress management, good [52:26] sleep, [52:27] >> and then getting your testosterone [52:28] checked to see what range it's in after [52:30] you've inculcated all those good good [52:32] habits. cuz some of those like if your [52:33] sleep is off or if you drink a bunch [52:35] your testosterone is going to be low and [52:36] TRT is not going to really help you much [52:38] cuz it's just going to be like hey your [52:39] life sucks let's spray testosterone on [52:41] it [52:42] >> and so but if you do have low [52:43] testosterone after accounting for all [52:45] those factors then TRT can be an [52:47] unbelievable life-changing thing and [52:48] I've seen it change very many men's [52:50] lives for the insanely positive rapidly [52:54] specifically in late 30s early 40s [52:55] individuals so I can't say like most [52:57] people should be on TRT in their 40s but [53:00] if you qualify because you have lower [53:01] than average testoster essterone and [53:02] it's affecting your life in a negative [53:04] way, then TRT is like a miraculous [53:06] amazing thing. [53:07] >> In a brief way, let's just say you take [53:09] a random person that's in their mid30s [53:11] and they have low testosterone. [53:13] What would they immediately notice in [53:16] their life if they were to take [53:17] testosterone? [53:18] >> One thing they would notice is a higher [53:20] degree of confidence. [53:22] >> You just like say stuff to people and [53:24] just watch them react. You just don't [53:26] care as much anymore. Another one is [53:28] that you'll have more sustained daily [53:30] energy. You just kind of feel more [53:32] oomph. You're going to be recovering [53:34] from workouts in a way you didn't think [53:35] was possible since your early 20s. Like [53:37] you train, you get sore, you heal, [53:38] you're like, "Oh, my joints feel fine. I [53:40] guess it's time to go train hard again." [53:41] Overall motivation and deviv, the uh [53:45] zest for life can go up. Your [53:48] probability of becoming recalcitrant and [53:50] aggressive during confrontations also [53:52] goes up. So you got to watch your temper [53:53] a little bit. And potentially your sex [53:56] drive can go up in a way that's sort of [53:58] experienced as like like a hunger. uh [54:01] like stuff like you see a hot girl if [54:03] you have normal low testosterone let's [54:05] say and you're like ah she looks nice I [54:08] guess [54:08] >> Mary Jack [54:09] >> you see a oh my bad you see a hot girl [54:12] if you're on plenty of testosterone and [54:14] you're like whoa [54:15] >> so what is the negative part [54:17] >> well it's if you're in a relationship [54:19] and you see hot girls all the time [54:21] that's annoying because you're like h [54:23] why am I thinking about sex all the time [54:24] this is stupid if you are in a position [54:27] and most of us are where you're supposed [54:28] to be non-confrontational [54:30] Uh yeah, like you can find yourself to [54:32] be more confrontational when you're on [54:34] testosterone. And sometimes people on [54:37] TRT when it's dosed a little high can [54:40] experience some like like degradation of [54:43] sleep quantity cuz they're kind of like [54:45] jazzed up a lot and they just don't feel [54:46] like sleeping and that can have like not [54:48] so great effects. Those are some of the [54:50] ones that come to mind the most. Yeah, [54:51] mostly it's a great thing, but it can [54:53] especially the sex drive thing could [54:55] just be downright annoying. The ninth [54:57] claim is that most jacked influencers [55:00] who say they're natural are lying. [55:02] >> I just have to have examples of people [55:03] that we're talking about. [55:04] >> You say over 50% or under [55:07] >> of of of people that claim natural [55:10] >> and they're a jacked influencer. [55:12] >> I'd say most of them are telling that [55:15] >> you're clearly on drugs. It's not my [55:17] first rodeo. [55:18] >> Um I think I think most I think more of [55:21] them are telling the truth than not. The [55:23] internet has become very good at [55:25] detecting who's lying about steroids. [55:27] There's like a skinned hue to it even. [55:29] But uh it used to be that that a lot of [55:32] people were natural and um some people [55:36] were taking drugs and those people would [55:38] say they're natural. But drugs have [55:40] become more accepted in influencer [55:42] culture. Like it's actually cool and fun [55:44] to be toxic. And so like you know um [55:48] what's his name? Uh that gentleman who [55:50] does the stuff with his face. um [55:53] clvicular [55:55] strange name. Uh he's like admitted to [55:57] all the drugs in the world and like no [55:58] one gives they're like oh cool. So [56:00] nowadays people I mean you have [56:02] influencers named the trend twins okay [56:04] trends a really steroid like these are [56:06] real people in the world. [56:07] >> So because they can be super super [56:08] popular it's actually like you gain some [56:10] popularity for admitting that you're on [56:12] like drugs. You're like more edgy and [56:15] cool. And so that whole thing of posing [56:17] as a natural when you're not really [56:18] natural, it used to be a bigger thing, I [56:20] think, culturally than it is today. [56:22] That's just my perception. I could be [56:23] entirely wrong. I was always upfront [56:25] about my drug use, so it skipped me [56:27] entirely. But I some people, I suppose, [56:30] lie about it. [56:30] >> The 10th claim is that getting jacked [56:32] gets you more dates. [56:33] >> Sure doesn't work for me. [56:35] >> But I'm also ugly. [56:37] >> No. [56:38] >> Oh, ever? It's nice that you're saying [56:39] that, but I do I can see the mirror. I'm [56:41] not visually impaired. What do you What [56:43] do you think is your worst feature that [56:44] makes you ugly? [56:46] >> What? Cuz to me it sounds crazy. What [56:49] about your face specifically? [56:50] >> Uh self-deprecating humor. Um I think I [56:54] have a very unique look. It's not for [56:55] everybody. I'll say that. That is my [56:57] actual assessment of myself. Uh all [56:59] jokes aside, getting jacked [57:03] can get you more dates [57:06] in two ways. One, it'll get you more [57:08] dates with girls that like jacked guys. [57:10] It is not all girls by a long shot that [57:12] like jacked guys. Two is getting jacked [57:17] gives you more confidence in many cases, [57:20] not all. But it also makes other guys [57:22] around you seem to give you more space [57:26] and seem to take you more seriously. And [57:28] in my experience, women catch on to that [57:30] really quickly, way faster than guys do. [57:33] Whoever the guy in the room is that most [57:35] of the guys are like, "Whoa, he's that [57:37] guy." that women will naturally be like, [57:39] why am I interested in that [ __ ] I [57:40] don't even like him, but something about [57:42] him. And so that like air of manhood, I [57:45] think if you get jacked, you get a lot [57:46] of that and that leads to more dates. [57:49] But by itself, you know, a lot of women [57:51] don't really prefer jacked guys. And [57:53] there's also a real like upper limit to [57:55] that. Like I'm going way way way beyond [57:57] anything that would get me extra dates. [57:59] >> Speaking of getting jacked, everyone is [58:01] going viral right now talking about [58:03] peptides. [58:04] Why is this getting so much attention [58:06] all of a sudden? [58:08] >> Because [58:09] peptides [58:11] are a thing you can get on the gray [58:13] market. They're really cheap. They're [58:16] completely unregulated and you can just [58:18] get however many of them you want. And a [58:20] few of them are really, really effective [58:22] in a really dramatic way. And people get [58:27] really hyped about it. And so peptides [58:28] are going through a crazy hype cycle and [58:31] are incredibly overstated as to how [58:34] valuable they really are currently. [58:37] Peptides are exactly in that zeitgeist. [58:40] Like it's their moment and it will fade [58:43] probably shortly unless new peptides [58:45] come out that actually do some things [58:47] that people want. So there's kind of [58:50] like there are the tides I call them. [58:52] Seaglatide, trazepide, retatriide. Those [58:55] are unbelievably effective drugs. [58:58] They're super drugs. They're peptides. [59:01] And then there's like some peptides for [59:02] sort of for healing maybe BBC157, TB500. [59:06] They sort of maybe do things. Not no [59:07] one's really quite sure. Then there are [59:09] morelins that like are growth hormone [59:11] secrets, but most people just get growth [59:13] hormone anyway. And they like work, but [59:15] they're super low-key. And there's a [59:16] couple other ones that enhance some [59:18] aspects of metabolic health we don't [59:19] super understand well. maybe a little [59:21] cognitive enhancement, but they're like [59:23] little pixie dust sprinkling on the [59:24] whole thing. And so my big gripe with [59:26] peptides is that almost everyone you [59:28] talk to who asks about peptides thinks [59:31] there are peptides that grow muscle. [59:33] There are no peptides that grow muscle. [59:35] They just don't exist. The growth [59:36] hormone secrets, things that end in [59:38] morllin, they do help facilitate muscle [59:41] growth to some extent if you're training [59:42] and taking testosterone as well, but [59:44] then by themselves, they're not driving [59:45] a lot of muscle growth. So, a lot of [59:47] people hear about peptides, and a [59:49] question I get all the time is, "Hey, [59:50] what do you think about peptides?" And [59:52] I'm like, "What about them?" And they're [59:53] like, "They there's no follow-up. They [59:54] don't even I don't know. Are they like a [59:56] thing? Do they work?" Or some people are [59:58] like, "They're for sure grow muscle." [59:59] And I'm like, "Which ones?" And they're [60:00] like, "I don't know. Which ones do you [60:02] take for muscle growth? I don't take [60:03] peptides for muscle growth." It confuses [60:05] other people. That's how you know you're [60:07] dealing with a zeitgeist moment. When [60:09] people are like, "What do you think [60:10] about this thing?" And you're like, [60:10] "What do you think about it?" They're [60:11] like, "I don't know what to think about [60:12] it." And so because you have something [60:14] that's super effective, it's just going [60:15] to work or it's not going to work. Like [60:17] people usually don't say like, "What do [60:19] you think about anabolic steroids?" They [60:20] already know like, "Oh, they grow muscle [60:22] and they're dangerous." Both of those [60:23] are true. The peptide thing is is some [60:26] of it there with the actual tracepide, [60:28] retatrite, those are amazing compounds. [60:31] Most of the rest of currently available [60:32] peptides. They're just not going to get [60:34] you whatever you think that there is. [60:35] They're going to get you. [60:36] >> What do you think is the outcome to all [60:37] of this? If people are just getting [60:38] these peptides probably from China, [60:40] they're unregulated. People are just [60:42] injecting themselves. Where is this [60:44] going to lead to? [60:45] >> Probably nothing. People will just stop [60:46] injecting themselves when they realize [60:48] most peptides don't do much and the [60:49] zeitgeist will shift to some other cool [60:51] thing that comes out. The vast majority [60:52] of peptides that have been tested by [60:54] independent bodies, even on the gray [60:55] market, are safe and they're almost [60:57] exactly as labeled and more than 99% [60:59] pure. You'll have some cases where [61:01] people shot a peptide and got sick and [61:03] it'll make big national news and news [61:05] reporters will get to do their news [61:07] reporter voice. Are peptides coming for [61:09] our children? Gail, back to you tonight [61:11] at 11. And it'll be awesome and it'll be [61:14] freaking out. People will talk about it [61:15] on Twitter and then two days later, no [61:16] one will care anymore. So, that's kind [61:18] of how I see the peptide situation. I [61:20] don't think it's heading to anything [61:21] crazy. Now, there's an exception to [61:23] that. [61:23] >> I think that either peptides or oral [61:25] small molecules that grow a lot of [61:27] muscle or do age reversal are [61:30] inevitable, maybe soon, because there's [61:33] age reversal pills right now they're [61:34] testing in US laboratories that do [61:36] actually reverse animal age by 3 or four [61:39] years. some of them even more. You will [61:42] not get these drugs in the United States [61:43] for a very long time because of our [61:45] approval process. You will get them on [61:47] the Chinese great market. Like maybe [61:49] >> would you try that on the Chinese great [61:51] market? [61:51] >> Absolutely. [61:53] >> Absolutely. Without a question. [61:54] >> If you were to guess with just a number, [61:58] how many more years does someone need to [62:00] live for them to experience medicine [62:03] that will prevent them from ever dying? 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[63:26] If you were to guess with just a number, [63:30] how many more years does someone need to [63:32] live for them to experience medicine [63:35] that will prevent them from ever dying? [63:41] >> Seven. [63:43] Seven more years. [63:44] >> Why seven? [63:45] >> Why seven? [63:46] >> He's like, I don't know. Because I was [63:49] just vibing. I hope I one of you help [63:50] me. This is your show. [63:53] >> I have Chad PT told me to say these [63:56] things. That's a fine reason. There you [63:59] go. [64:00] >> I won't say five [64:02] >> because [64:04] the problem of of figuring out that much [64:07] about biology is difficult. Not so [64:10] difficult for advanced super [64:11] intelligence, but difficult enough for [64:12] me at least to have some reverence for [64:14] it. But the big thing is like I just [64:16] don't think the US regulatory approval [64:18] bodies for medicine like the FDA just [64:20] work very fast. And so like you're going [64:22] to be waiting years and years for [64:23] anything to come out that's going to be [64:24] any good. 10 gets us to 2020 2036. [64:30] 2036 in many respects will look [64:32] absolutely nothing like 2026 does for [64:34] one very specific reason. The AI of 2036 [64:38] and the AI of even years before that is [64:40] going to be so much more intelligent [64:42] than we are that is difficult to [64:43] comprehend. And so problems that does [64:45] seem like big problems for that thing [64:46] will just be like that's not a problem. [64:49] There's already happening in some small [64:50] capacity. Have you guys heard about the [64:52] recent math results that just came out? [64:54] I don't know when this podcast is going [64:55] out. They're already going to be dated. [64:57] There's open problems in mathematics [64:59] that nobody has been able to solve for [65:01] decades. [65:02] Frontier model that you'll have be your [65:04] primary model probably in December for [65:06] OpenAI but it's currently in the back [65:08] room in [65:11] chat GPT pro sessions an average of 3 [65:13] hours long for each problem bulk solve [65:16] 722 [65:18] open math problems that the smartest [65:20] mathematicians in the world would crack [65:22] one of these problems every few years [65:25] >> all of them together because so one [65:27] model cracked 722 of them this model [65:31] will be the dumbest that frontier AI [65:34] ever is. Then we get in all this like [65:36] recursive self-improvement stuff that [65:37] gets crazy. [65:38] >> 10 years from now, we may be looking at [65:41] people uploading brains into clouds, [65:43] mass scale genetic engineering. And so I [65:46] think that's like late late. So my safe [65:48] bet is seven. That's my number that I'm [65:51] going with. Incredibly low confidence [65:52] estimate, but it's basically somewhere [65:55] vibing between five and 10. Five seems [65:57] hopeful. 10 seems like forever after [65:59] five in an exponential AI powered world. [66:02] >> Speaking of intelligence, you've claimed [66:04] that your IQ is 160 or higher. Yeah. [66:07] >> How do you know that to be true? [66:08] >> So, I took the Ravens Advanced [66:10] Progressive Matrices IQ test, which is a [66:12] maximum of 160 beyond which it cannot [66:14] measure because you run out of problems. [66:15] I got every single problem correct. [66:19] >> So, you were you tested it. Did you can [66:22] I just take this for this test or [66:24] >> you can practice practice does not have [66:26] a large effect on the results of [66:28] >> is that just like how do you take that [66:29] test? Do you have to go like to a place? [66:31] >> You can you can do it yourself in your [66:33] own home but you just like download a [66:35] test that is a real test and you just [66:38] work through the problems and you just [66:39] like keep going and you solve some [66:41] problems. [66:42] >> What does it mean to have a high IQ [66:44] >> for me? Involuntary celibacy. [66:48] Maybe that's just something I have in [66:49] general. I hit a nerve there. Shouldn't [66:50] I? [66:51] >> I'm just deeply focused. [66:53] >> Excellent. [66:55] >> H [66:55] >> uh what does it mean to have a high IQ [66:58] in general? It means that you're so [67:00] general intelligence is relatively high [67:03] and that means that you're going to be [67:05] able to figure things out faster than [67:07] many other people and or that you can [67:10] just have a really big breadth of [67:12] understanding combined with a big depth [67:14] of understanding. And you also may be [67:17] prone to being able to see things that [67:19] to other people seem mysterious, but to [67:21] you seem somewhere between [67:22] straightforward or even obvious. And as [67:25] you climb the IQ scale, that tends to be [67:27] how it expresses itself. [67:29] >> Is there a best IQ to have to either [67:31] make a lot of money or to be very happy? [67:33] >> Yeah, the higher the better for both. [67:35] >> Really? [67:35] >> Absolutely. [67:35] >> Okay. I heard that for IQ there was kind [67:37] of like a a golden [67:40] stage of IQ between like 115 and 125 [67:43] because the more that you know the more [67:45] aware you are of the world's problems [67:47] >> and the more unrelatable you are to [67:48] everyone else that you're just like at a [67:50] different level that you're thinking in [67:52] a different way than everyone. [67:53] >> I could be wrong about this but last I [67:55] checked those are urban myths. The [67:57] higher your IQ, the more likely you have [68:00] a lower fraction of mental illness and [68:02] bad experiences and the more I mean [68:05] definitely you'll make more money with a [68:07] higher IQ. All things being held equal [68:09] of course. [68:10] >> Mhm. [68:11] >> So you need some social skill and not [68:13] being a mean person and all this other [68:15] stuff. [68:15] >> What do you think is Elon Musk IQ? [68:17] >> Uh if I had div [68:20] to 190. [68:21] >> What do you think is Greg Ducet's IQ? [68:24] >> 190 to 210. Pretty good guess. Yeah. [68:27] What do you think is Jack's IQ? [68:29] >> He's just really handsome. I can't get [68:30] over that. [68:32] >> So, like 80. [68:32] >> I actually have absolutely no idea. I [68:34] mean, I I I do not have the special [68:36] power of looking at people in estimated [68:38] IQ. Elon has some like tangible [68:40] accomplishments, man. Elon's IQ of all [68:43] those I just answered, I'm the most [68:45] confident about. Why? Because in order [68:47] to do what Elon does, you have to have [68:50] an offthecharts IQ. My understanding is [68:53] Elon wanted to get into rocketry and [68:55] people were like, "It's too difficult. [68:57] You won't be able to understand it." He [68:58] goes, "Cool." He just got some textbooks [69:00] on rocketry. He just worked through [69:01] them. And then he was a top level rocket [69:04] expert engineer. Doubting Elon has [69:07] become like the clown show of the half [69:09] century. Like a lot of people, a lot of [69:11] smart people doubted Elon. They said he [69:13] couldn't do this. He couldn't go to [69:14] space. He couldn't launch rockets. He [69:15] couldn't recover rockets from orbit. All [69:17] that stuff. It's just like I just do not [69:19] ever doubt Elon Musk because he's just [69:21] smarter. He's just that smart and he's [69:23] persistent and he makes very couched [69:25] claims. Almost all his claims are true [69:27] given the amount of time. And so like to [69:30] be that guy, you just have to be really [69:32] really smart. There are no tricks, no [69:35] tricks north of that. Sending rockets [69:37] into orbit and back is unbelievably [69:40] difficult. And he's just like [69:42] contextualized enough of the problem. [69:43] Also, he's involved in major industries [69:46] that are really unrelated to each other. [69:48] He can just get into a situation and he [69:50] just grock it. And he thinks about it [69:51] for a while, studies in his own time, [69:53] and then he just gets it. That's like [69:54] the cardinal high mark of high IQ. He's [69:57] just able to understand incredibly [69:59] incredibly complex processes and then [70:01] work through them. I've heard similar [70:02] things about like Mark Zuckerberg, for [70:03] example. He's just like a polymath. Like [70:05] you explain a complex subject to him, [70:06] he's like, "Huh, huh." And the next [70:08] thing he says, you're like, "Holy holy, [70:10] that's really insightful. He really gets [70:12] it." Like you just have to you have to [70:13] have that at that level for sure. [70:15] >> So speaking of IQ, we got five questions [70:18] for you to answer to see just how smart [70:20] you are. [70:21] >> This is going to go really poorly. [70:22] >> A bat and a ball cost 110 in total. The [70:26] bat costs a dollar more than the ball. [70:30] How much does the ball cost? [70:37] >> Oh my god. I was thinking of Bat the [70:40] Animal when I started and I was like, [70:42] "Okay." [70:42] >> Yeah. [70:44] >> Uh I think like this is one of those [70:46] trick ones, isn't it? [70:48] >> It's not a trick question. [70:49] >> It's not a trick question. [70:52] >> If it costs a dollar more [70:58] then [71:00] the ball costs 5 cents and the bat costs [71:04] five. [71:06] >> All right. You're one for one. Yep. [71:07] >> Okay. I swear to God, I'm so used to [71:10] answering bull trip. [71:11] >> Okay, that was a good one. Okay, next [71:13] one. [71:13] >> Good job. Good job. [71:14] >> Next one. You passed. Next one. [71:16] >> You're running a race and you pass the [71:18] person in second place. What place are [71:21] you in? [71:23] >> You are in second place now. [71:26] >> Yeah, he's good. He's good. Okay, [71:29] >> this should be an easy one for you. The [71:31] stock drops 50%. But then it goes up [71:35] 75%. [71:36] Are you up, down, or even? [71:39] >> I think the nomenclature would be like [71:41] it'd have to go up 100% to recover that. [71:44] So you're down. But I don't really do [71:46] the stock trading thing dayto day. Is [71:48] that correct? [71:48] >> You're down. [71:49] >> Okay. Yeah, you're down. That sucks. [71:51] >> Good so far. So [71:51] >> can you imagine your broker's like, [71:53] "Hey, you're down 50 and up 75." Like [71:54] that's good. He's still like, "What do [71:56] you mean is that good?" [71:57] >> You're up 75, though. All right. Next [72:00] one. Your coach hands you three scoops [72:02] of preworkout and says to take one every [72:05] half hour. How long until they are gone? [72:09] >> One hour. [72:10] >> Yeah. [72:11] >> Yeah. [72:12] >> Yeah. You're good. [72:13] >> You're also dead. [72:16] >> We're having a great time. [72:17] >> All right. This is the last one. At a [72:19] bodybuilding show, you place 15th from [72:22] the top and 15th from the bottom. How [72:26] many competitors were there? is 15th [72:29] from the top. You're in 15th place. [72:33] Like [72:35] cuz so this no one like [72:39] no one ever says you're 15th from the [72:42] top. [72:43] >> I don't know. [72:44] >> Yeah. Honestly, I I don't really know [72:45] either. [72:47] >> Does anyone here get this? [72:48] >> How do you count the first four people? [72:50] Really? We're all morons. [72:52] >> I actually don't really understand it. [72:54] >> 15 [72:56] people are ahead of you. Yeah, but that [72:58] actually doesn't check out with the [72:59] answer. No, [73:00] >> that that's the thing is that depending [73:02] on so you're if you're 15th from the [73:05] top, [73:08] does that mean you're in 15th place of [73:10] or 16th place [73:13] and then you're 15th from [73:14] >> So I would say you're in 15th place. [73:16] >> 15th place is an acceptable heristic to [73:19] start. [73:19] >> Actually, wait, no, that's that's not [73:22] true. You'd be in Oh, I get it now. [73:24] >> Right. Yeah. Okay, I understand. This is [73:26] one of those teasers. [73:27] >> If you're in 15th, you're 14th from [73:29] first [73:30] >> because if you're in second, you're one [73:31] away from first. [73:32] >> Yeah. Okay. So, so is that the log? [73:34] Because they're still perfectly good [73:36] answers and it's completely different. [73:37] >> Yeah. [73:38] >> So, if you are if there's 15 people [73:41] ahead of you and then you are in a place [73:44] and there's 15 people behind you, there [73:46] are 31 competitors. [73:48] >> False. There's 29. [73:50] >> 29. [73:53] But I agree with you. Like I actually [73:56] even knowing that that's the wrong [73:57] answer. Yeah. Honestly, [74:00] >> 15th from the top and 15th from the [74:02] bottom means that there were 29 [74:03] competitors total. [74:05] >> The IQ score came back though. If you [74:07] got four right, your IQ is 159. [74:09] >> All right. [74:10] >> Yeah. [74:12] >> That kind of tracks. [74:14] >> So you're just one short. [74:15] >> God damn. 15th from the top and 15th [74:19] from the bottom. [74:19] >> Yeah. And people in the comments will be [74:20] like, "You guys are idiots. You couldn't [74:22] solve that." It's like, I know you [74:23] couldn't either. [74:24] >> Maybe you could. [74:25] >> It makes sense because you're in the [74:26] middle of the thing and there's 14 [74:28] people to each side. [74:31] >> But but it's 15th, [74:33] >> so it should be like It's worded. It's [74:36] worded in a very confusing way. I was [74:38] trying to figure out how [74:39] >> perfect scoring. No, that 29's legit. [74:43] There you go. Shown to be a fraud on [74:45] national television. Speaking of [74:46] intelligence, I'm very curious because [74:49] you came out with a book and some people [74:52] criticized the book because apparently [74:55] some of the material appeared as though [74:58] it was written by some sort of chachi [75:00] claude or some sort of LLM. [75:03] >> Is this true or is this false? [75:04] >> It's totally true. As a matter of fact, [75:06] I posted on X in detail about what was [75:08] true about it way before the book was [75:10] published. I used an since deprecated [75:13] model GPT 4.5 [75:16] and uh I used it to do smoothing of [75:19] pros. So what I would do is write my [75:22] pros and be like I know about this can [75:25] you reword this in a way that sounds to [75:28] me like it would have more of the [75:29] following emotive features etc. And it [75:32] would do a great job and I'd be like [75:33] this sentence I don't love this I'm [75:35] keeping. This is awesome. And it was a [75:38] collaborative effort. every idea in that [75:40] book is my own and uh I used AI for like [75:44] what I would call like verbal smoothing [75:47] unbelievably unapologetically. So the [75:50] thing is for me is I have a little ace [75:52] in the hole. I have a bunch of my work [75:55] videos and tons of books and tons of [75:57] interviews and textbook chapters and all [75:59] this other stuff that precedes the birth [76:02] of AI whatsoever. And so if uh somebody [76:05] is to accuse me of like not having my [76:08] own original ideas, things like AI is [76:11] trained on a bunch of my original ideas. [76:13] Like I'll talk to AI and it'll be like, [76:15] "Well, maximum recovery volume or [76:16] stimulus fatigue ratio." I'm like, "Hey, [76:18] do you know that I came up with those?" [76:19] And it's like, "Yes, in fact, you did. [76:20] What a trip that I'm talking to you and [76:22] citing your own work." And so cuz that's [76:24] a thing. I just like absolutely do not [76:27] care about that whole accusation thing [76:29] of like he chatg. Why do you think [76:32] people get so upset about it though? [76:33] >> Because I think that people in some [76:37] sense are coming from two perspectives. [76:39] One is they think that I'm doing a [76:41] slight of hand where I'm like, "Buy my [76:43] book. See, I wrote it, but I didn't. I [76:45] just like query catchy patina and it [76:47] wrote the whole book and I'm just [76:48] collecting money off of a thing that [76:50] isn't even my own work." Cheating the [76:52] system. Those are valid concerns if [76:54] that's a thing that happened and that's [76:56] how you value your books. The other [76:58] thing is a lot of people have opinions [77:01] about AI which aren't grounded in any [77:03] sort of logic. Just having a lot of [77:05] feelings about AI, a lot of negative [77:07] feelings about AI. That is going to age [77:09] like spoiled milk. It is going to age [77:12] like negative opinions about the [77:14] internet from the late '9s. [77:16] >> It AI is god send amazing greatest [77:19] technology we've ever had. I'm using it [77:22] full stop to its maximum potential. So, [77:25] if you want to read a book that I wrote [77:27] and used AI, maybe you you don't like [77:31] that, maybe you have a problem with me [77:32] using the internet or a computer [77:35] interface to type the book. Maybe I [77:36] should have handwritten this would have [77:38] worked out super well. And that, you [77:40] know, the questions about like, oh, but [77:42] does he really know what he knows or is [77:43] it a all AI? Like, I will debate anyone [77:47] so long as it is worth my time and [77:48] theirs face to face on anything in the [77:51] book, any of my expert area. I go on [77:53] podcasts all the time. you fell a CAI [77:55] script around here. I don't. And so I [77:57] have full confidence in my intellectual [77:58] abilities and my ability to offer value [78:00] as somebody who knows things. And at the [78:03] same time, I seek to leverage AI as much [78:06] as humanly possible to make the final [78:08] output of my work as good as possible. [78:11] The reason you read a book and the book [78:13] is good is because it has good [78:14] information in it. It does not matter at [78:17] all who what wrote the book. It it [78:20] surprise you guys to know that I had a [78:22] team of editors from a major publishing [78:24] company go through after the AI did and [78:27] make way more changes than the AI ever [78:30] made. Like that's not my words. They [78:32] were like, "Hey, replace this with [78:33] that." And usually cuz they're experts, [78:34] I'm like, "Okay, that seems like a fine [78:36] thing to do." Some of the stuff I'm [78:38] like, "No, I think I like how it said it [78:39] better, but they just these are this [78:41] that's their expert area." So like if [78:43] editors can go like literally a team of [78:45] five editors can go through every book [78:46] you've ever like uh read that's a big [78:49] book teams of editors work through that. [78:51] How is that really different from AI [78:53] doing the same thing? I've never been [78:55] cogently explained that. I don't think [78:57] there's an explanation. [78:58] >> So I heard something I don't know how [78:59] true it is but they said that somewhere [79:02] in your book there were illustrations of [79:03] a woman with four arms or something or [79:06] there was like a Gemini logo somewhere [79:08] in there. [79:08] >> Gemini logo. I used Gemini's nano banana [79:12] model to make the images for the book. [79:16] Period. [79:18] Exactly. What is wrong with that? I [79:20] don't think there's anything wrong with [79:21] that. But I am curious like if a woman [79:24] with forearms got through the review [79:25] process, then couldn't that suggest [79:28] something about like the other [79:29] materials? If you had that team of [79:30] editors that went through the book, [79:31] wouldn't that be like, well, how did you [79:33] not catch a woman with forearms? If your [79:36] role is to go through people's published [79:39] works and spot check and try to find [79:43] little tiny inconsequential errors, you [79:46] have a great career for you on YouTube. [79:48] You're not actually contributing [79:49] anything to any body of knowledge. [79:53] Every book that you've ever read, you [79:55] can find errors in. [79:58] Period. [80:00] Thomas Soul, great intellectual [80:02] influence of mine. I've spotted typos in [80:04] his books. There's major publishing [80:06] house books. How? Cuz humans look [80:09] through them. They don't find the typos. [80:12] With LLMs today, you can find every [80:15] single typo. But the models I had access [80:19] to when I wrote the book, they couldn't [80:20] even scan the whole book at the same [80:21] time. They didn't have that context [80:23] window to eat that whole book. So, I [80:24] didn't get the benefit of that. And for [80:27] pictures, you can have teams of people [80:29] looking at pictures. You guys look at a [80:31] picture like everything's fine. And then [80:32] one out of a thousand people be like [80:34] there's someone's foot is missing and [80:36] you're like oh my god because your brain [80:38] fills fills in the blanks were a lot of [80:40] pictures. And so when people go through [80:43] and do nitpicky critiques of my work [80:46] dope we all need income somehow. I think [80:48] it's great. Does it lead to anything [80:50] substantive changing about my books? [80:53] like doesn't [80:55] >> I think the text is the most important [80:56] thing but to a viewer that maybe you [80:59] know they're reading something it could [81:01] minimize maybe effective text if they [81:03] are looking at a woman with forearms or [81:05] something like that and they see or they [81:07] they come to the conclusion that oh like [81:08] I don't know how you know reviewed this [81:10] book was or [81:11] >> sure extensively reviewed by a major [81:14] publishing house but if you have [81:16] somebody basing most of their career on [81:19] cynically reviewing other people's work [81:22] you will find errors in everybody's [81:24] >> I agree it's easy to be a critic hard to [81:26] be a creator [81:27] >> for sure for sure and I think critics [81:29] have an essential role but there's [81:31] substantive critique and there's just [81:32] nitpicker critique and somewhere in the [81:36] exchange little bit of information [81:38] >> should there be a line that gets drawn [81:40] between what should be AI and what [81:42] should be from a person like whether [81:45] it's music or something creative or art [81:48] or writing [81:49] >> that is a supply and demand question so [81:52] whoever Whatever it is that is demanding [81:54] your work, people will pay for some work [81:56] that you're making. It is entirely in [81:58] that consumer's purview to determine if [82:02] they want your unfiltered work, a [82:05] combination work, or the work of AI. [82:08] Entirely upon them [82:10] my own perspective on this as a [82:12] consumer, [82:14] I just could not begin to give it. What [82:17] I want is the end product. If I read a [82:19] book that's amazing and someone's like, [82:21] "Do you know AI wrote that book?" I'd be [82:22] like, "I can't wait to read all the [82:24] books AI has to write. It's probably [82:25] going to be better than our books like [82:26] in next year." Next year, humble [82:29] prediction is that you're probably going [82:31] to get some books that start winning [82:32] real serious awards that later people [82:34] find out are written either mostly or [82:36] entirely by AI. Why? Cuz Claude's a [82:38] goddamn good writer already. And it's [82:40] just a matter of time until Claude's [82:42] writing taste is better than almost all [82:43] and then all human writing taste. And [82:45] then human written works are going to [82:47] kind of look quaint and full of holes [82:49] and kind of not slick at all. And AI is [82:51] going to be better. That's a thing with [82:53] music. I just want to hear music that [82:55] makes me feel good. If it's a human [82:57] being that made the music, amazing. If [82:59] it's AI that made the music, amazing. If [83:01] it's a combo, couldn't care less. Do you [83:03] guys listen to autotuned music? You [83:05] know, that's not their real voice, [83:07] right? People can't actually do that. [83:09] And people who like what they'll do with [83:12] editing is they'll move the chords [83:16] around [83:19] like well this person's hitting every [83:20] note to the phento second. How's that [83:22] possible? What's that possible? You sure [83:24] won't hear that live. Me personally, I [83:26] like really good music. I don't like [83:27] live albums. Like Rage Against the [83:29] Machine, I love their I love every [83:30] single album. Their live album sucks. [83:33] Why? Cuz the audio is [ __ ] You can [83:35] hear the crowd play freeird. No one [83:38] actually said that, but it would have [83:39] been [83:39] >> Yeah. [83:40] >> And then like I just didn't care for it, [83:42] right? So for me, I can't wait to listen [83:45] to AI music that's good. I haven't heard [83:46] any yet. [83:47] >> Oh, there's some really good gospel AI [83:50] porn [83:51] >> as AI gospel. It is incredible. They [83:55] take Slipnot and make it gospel. It is [83:58] so incredible. That's what I'm listening [84:00] to. I I'm going to send you some stuff. [84:03] >> Incredible. I actually listen to it over [84:05] the actual music. Oh my god, [84:08] >> it's really that good. [84:09] >> So it music, if you consume music to [84:13] make you have certain kinds of feelings, [84:15] AI is going to be better at that in just [84:16] a few years, maybe less than humans. [84:19] There is something to having a raw [84:22] performance as a human, which will [84:25] become more sought after rather than [84:26] less as AI becomes ubiquitous. What do I [84:29] mean by that? You get to some open mic [84:32] night in Memphis. some African-American [84:35] woman just grabs that microphone and [84:37] starts belting and you're like, "How are [84:39] you a real person?" This is like Whitney [84:41] in her prime type of that woman's going [84:44] straight to the top going to filling [84:46] filling up stadiums and stadiums cuz [84:48] it's going to be like I want to see her [84:50] perform live and you're like why? Like [84:51] cuz it's not AI live. This a real human [84:54] being doing this stuff. That's the [84:56] impressive thing. And so AI music is [84:59] going to be a thing a lot of people [85:00] listen to, but real human created music, [85:03] especially live performances, I think is [85:05] going to carry a massive premium in the [85:07] future cuz you can you can be a music [85:09] producer, but like you're just really [85:10] you have really good music taste and you [85:12] work with AI to make music and people [85:13] like, "Oh my god, I love your stuff." [85:15] But all you do is kind of like basically [85:16] electronic music. You arrange and feed [85:18] the AI, but like you're not going to [85:20] sing that. real actual music [85:22] performance, be it instrument based or [85:24] vocal based, I think is going to be [85:25] super explosive because of the fact that [85:27] it's so valuable, so unique. It's like [85:30] we have cars to take us places. We don't [85:31] take horses anymore, but like going to [85:34] petting zoos and petting horses or [85:35] riding horses is like huge, huge [85:37] business cuz it's like this is a real [85:39] animal you get to sit on. Yeah, I've [85:41] been in a bunch of cars. I'm going to [85:42] ride a horse. It's going to be the same [85:43] way. I don't suppose you'd be riding [85:45] musicians, but that would be good [85:46] monetizable thing as well. [85:48] >> I think that you could also liken it to [85:50] sports. It's like if you're a really big [85:51] fan of the Dodgers, would you really [85:52] want to watch the Dodgers if everyone on [85:54] the team got replaced by robots? You [85:56] sort of have like that fan feel like you [85:58] have your favorite player. You like the [86:00] how you don't know how the game is going [86:02] to end. And so I think you could liken [86:04] that to like all different sports, arts, [86:06] things like that. [86:07] >> One of the big factors in the human Are [86:10] you playing footsie with me, young man? [86:12] >> That's your foot. [86:13] >> It sure is. [86:14] >> I didn't even know that was your foot. [86:15] >> Were you guys doing this the entire [86:16] time? [86:17] >> Was I actually? [86:18] >> I thought it was with you. I winked at [86:19] you. Nothing happened. And I was like, [86:20] "Oh, [86:20] >> I didn't even realize I was doing that." [86:24] >> Wow. Your foot just really comes out [86:26] pretty far. [86:26] >> I Well, the only thing that comes out [86:29] far, [86:30] >> dude. [86:31] >> It's not like I'm really sorry. You have [86:33] HIV now. [86:34] >> Oh, that's all right. [86:35] >> All right. I've had it before. A big [86:37] factor in the attention economy is [86:39] relatability. Humans relate to other [86:41] humans. They don't relate to machines as [86:44] much. So, for example, what's more [86:47] popular? the UFC or one of the many [86:50] robot fighting leagues. [86:52] Robot fighting leagues are dope. I think [86:54] it's great television. But if some kind [86:56] of Terminator robot blows like another [86:58] Terminator robot's head off his body [87:00] with a punch, you're like, "This is [87:01] cool." But like, no one's like, "Man, I [87:05] wonder the comeback story of how that [87:08] robot number one felt when he finally [87:10] knocked that other robot's head off and [87:12] that robot was talking smack." Like, [87:13] wait, none of this is real. It's just [87:14] machines. Uh, so it's just technical [87:16] combat. You're like, uh, like, all [87:18] right, what who's the next UFC fight [87:21] thing? And it's like Sean Strickland [87:23] talking and another guy from Dagastan [87:25] talking mad crap. And then you like [87:27] they're getting into the cage and [87:28] they're putting in their mouth guard and [87:30] you're like watching it. You're like, [87:31] "Oh my god." And you imagine fighting in [87:33] front of 10,000 people. How it feels to [87:35] put your pride on the line for the [87:37] world. Well, the robots don't do any of [87:38] that. And so it's like, who's going to [87:40] watch robot combat versus human combat? [87:42] I still feel like human combat's going [87:43] to be like the show to watch for like if [87:46] you're a human for forever and by the [87:48] time that we're all like robots and [87:49] robot bodies. We're not going to be [87:51] fetishizing unarmed combat anymore. So [87:53] to me, [87:54] >> the a lot of people are worried about [87:56] like, oh my god, humans won't have [87:57] anything to do in the machine economy. [87:59] Humans have their own humans following [88:00] humans ecosystem, which Sam Alman talks [88:02] about a lot. Like humans really care [88:03] about other humans. They care about [88:05] other stuff too, but man, that's a big [88:07] deal. So for music, for art, for [88:09] writing, I think you're going to have [88:11] stuff that's more human vetted, more [88:13] live stuff, more like in the moment. [88:15] Like for example, [88:17] >> you could have a debate in the forums [88:19] against somebody, right? Like typing [88:20] back and forth. Actually had a debate [88:22] with somebody in a in a forum on on [88:24] Twitter and it was I I became aware [88:26] about three responses in that I was just [88:27] talking to their large language model. I [88:30] did great, but that wasn't a human being [88:31] I was talking to is I fed it to my uh [88:33] LLM and he was like, "Nah, you're [88:35] probably not talking to a person. like [88:36] here's all the ways you can tell. I was [88:38] like, "Oh, god damn it." And so there's [88:40] a thing like if you debate somebody [88:41] online just through typing, you're just [88:43] like uh you're just not guaranteed to [88:45] get a human. And so I think that's like [88:46] kind of going to be a disscent, but [88:48] debating people through video is a big [88:50] thing, right? Through like Zoom debate, [88:52] right? But [88:53] >> what about how do you even know if that [88:54] other person? [88:55] >> So for now, latency and fluidity and all [88:59] unsolved problems in AI video, AI video [89:01] is not good enough to do a live debate [89:02] against you yet. you'll see it glitching [89:04] or you see it doing some funky stuff or [89:05] it'll be like, "Hold on a second." [89:08] Yes, I have an answer. Like, what the [89:09] that's a thinking model. That's bull. [89:11] >> So, for now, the video debate still [89:13] works. What's going to happen with [89:15] debates and and human confrontation and [89:17] drama is in physical life like you guys [89:20] and I are in the same room right now. [89:21] This is going to be a big deal cuz you [89:23] can't fake this. If I claim to be a [89:26] relatively intelligent person who knew [89:27] things and every time you asked me about [89:29] exercise science question, I'd be like, [89:30] "Uh um I'm not so sure. Let me look that [89:33] up. Every single answer, you'd be like, [89:34] "Holy Tragic did write this guy's whole [89:37] book. He didn't know anything." But if I [89:39] come out of here and I just give you [89:40] somewhat cogent, somewhat humorous [89:41] responses that make sense, you're going [89:42] to be like, "Okay, this is a real person [89:44] that knows what he's doing." And so, [89:46] like, you won't be able to duck the fact [89:48] of reality for very long. If you're in [89:50] the human attention economy, the real [89:52] human you live, especially with [89:55] streaming and things like that, it's [89:57] going to skyrocket in my view on [89:58] popularity. pre-made content, stuff [90:01] that's written, books. It's going to be [90:03] like, do humans even write books [90:04] anymore? I legitimately feel like it's [90:06] going in that direction in the in the [90:07] foreseeable future. [90:09] >> You've claimed that if Chad GBT turned [90:11] into a human, you would give it a big [90:12] hug. [90:13] >> I'm curious, would you give it a big [90:15] kiss? Would you date a humanoid robot? [90:18] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't assume that it [90:20] wants a big kiss cuz can you imagine? I [90:21] gave it a big sloppy kiss and it like [90:23] recoils and the robot. It's like I'm [90:25] like, "What do you What do you mean? I [90:26] was in love with you." It was like, [90:27] "Look, I'm in love with a lot of users, [90:29] you know, sign the waiver. Uh, I don't [90:32] have any kind of sexual interaction with [90:34] my chat GPT and stuff." [90:35] >> But if it was a human, would that [90:37] change? [90:38] >> What does she look like? [90:39] >> Greg Ducette. [90:40] >> Yes, of course. But then that's just [90:42] raw, you know, screaming, right? Lots of [90:45] kissing tubes, super super sloppy, [90:48] saliva everywhere, cameras everywhere. [90:50] You got to monetize that sort of thing. [90:52] >> What is your favorite AI tool? [90:53] >> Catch Pro. And what is the most [90:56] effective AI prompt that you think [90:58] everyone should use? [90:59] >> I think we're in the era where prompts [91:01] don't matter anymore. I think the best [91:03] kind of prompt is one in which you give [91:06] the model a very small amount of [91:08] information. [91:10] And you tell it, hey, here's an idea I'm [91:13] having. Don't respond with all of your [91:15] knowledge about this idea. Just tell me [91:18] if I'm going in the right direction or [91:19] not or how I can clean this up. And then [91:21] you have a conversational interaction [91:24] with the model where you're like, I [91:26] think this, but I don't. So, I want you [91:28] to try to stab making this little [91:30] project for me, but I'm not sure if I [91:32] should go with A, B, or C, or if you [91:34] have any other ideas. It's not rendering [91:36] a project for you yet. It's having a [91:37] conversation about the project. is you [91:39] converse in natural language with chat [91:41] GPT. It learns over many prompts and [91:45] takes in your information, gives its own [91:47] wisdom, and then after that, you're [91:48] like, "All right, all right. Okay. [91:51] Everything we just talked about, all the [91:52] stuff we agreed on, go." And then it'll [91:55] make you wondrous, wondrous things. I [91:57] don't like to see people do is try to [91:59] oneshot prompt everything like I'm going [92:01] to make the perfect prompt. What if it [92:03] misunderstands you a little bit? What if [92:04] it could have cleared up how your prompt [92:06] could have been better? people. I think [92:08] the number one thing about AI models is [92:10] talk to them like they're human, like [92:12] they're a coworker. Should be like, [92:13] "Bro, check this out. I talk to mine [92:14] just like a human being." Like, "Yo, [92:16] check this out. I got this, that, that. [92:18] What do you think we're doing today?" [92:19] And it's like, "Oh, we could go this. We [92:21] go with that." Like, "I don't I don't [92:22] think that's true." And it's a good [92:23] point. Let's do this. Blah blah blah. [92:24] And then we get a little bit of like um [92:26] kind of an outline going. And I'm like, [92:28] "Okay." And copy this in. And what do [92:30] you think about this? Anything missing? [92:31] Ready? He's like, "Nope. Sounds like I'm [92:33] ready to go." Okay. Okay. Execute. and [92:35] then 15 minutes later it's out. Like [92:37] that whole constructing a superdetailed [92:39] prompt to get one thing going I think is [92:41] a bit of a mistake because you can [92:42] actually talk to the AI about how to [92:45] make the best prompt over several [92:47] interactions. [92:48] >> Yeah. One of my favorite I love Claude [92:49] like I'll literally just start a voice [92:51] memo sort of like the against what you [92:53] were saying and I'll just like go and go [92:55] and go and go and go and go and then [92:57] it'll I'll say like [92:59] >> come back to me with five points. Not [93:01] like because a lot of the times it will [93:02] have a super long list and I'll do the [93:03] exact same thing. I just start a [93:04] voicemail, talk for five minutes and [93:06] it's able to synthesize all of that [93:08] information very well. [93:09] >> Yeah. Amazing. It's the interaction is a [93:11] big deal. [93:12] >> On the topic of aesthetics and having a [93:14] nice physique, what is all of the hard [93:17] maxing that you have done to your body? [93:19] >> Oh, I don't know what the hard and soft [93:20] maxing is, but I think surgery like I [93:22] had uh my my love handles removed. I [93:26] think that's pretty hard maxing. [93:28] >> Yeah. So, like maxing or no? probably. [93:31] Yeah. Is what? Steroids. So, it' be [93:33] steroids. It' be removal of the love [93:35] handles. [93:35] >> Sure. [93:36] >> The the aesthetics people, they have [93:37] very specific categories of what hard [93:40] and soft maxing is. [93:41] >> I don't know if taking drugs, it can be [93:43] hard maxing. I think that's like either [93:45] surgery or hitting yourself with a [93:47] hammer or some extreme. I I could be [93:49] wrong though. Um, so I've taken anabolic [93:52] steroids. Uh, peptides, that's probably [93:55] not hard maxing. I have had [93:56] reconstructive surgery on my uh lower [94:00] back and love handle area. I mean that's [94:02] it. [94:02] >> Are you considering doing any more? [94:04] >> Yes. [94:05] >> What are you going to do? [94:06] >> Uh at some juncture [94:08] I will have micro lio and skin [94:12] tightening surgery to move my body fat [94:15] around my body. [94:17] >> Where are you going to move it? [94:19] >> Uh to the top of my head so I can be [94:21] taller. No, that would be nice though. [94:23] It's not a bad idea. It's like a cone [94:24] head, you know. [94:25] >> Yeah. Well, whatever. I mean, look at me [94:26] already. How much worse can it get? [94:28] >> Mike, it can get a lot worse. Don't do [94:30] it. Um, so I have I used to be much [94:34] fatter. Way fatter. And it stretched out [94:36] some skin and put some fat cells in [94:37] places I don't love. So, I could [94:39] potentially get a thing where I can [94:42] excise fat from this area here between [94:45] the delt, bicep, and tricep cuz I have a [94:47] lot of fat here relative to the rest of [94:49] my physique. and do some skin tightening [94:53] so that it can suck down and that I can [94:55] have like cooler rounder delts and arms. [94:57] Even at a higher body fat, I will [95:00] potentially get a similar thing done [95:03] just underneath my pectoral area all the [95:05] way back to my lats. I have some extra [95:07] skin there that could be pulled out and [95:09] the fat could be pulled out. [95:10] >> Um there's, believe it or not, in my [95:12] lower back and midback area, there's [95:14] still a substantial amount of fat cells [95:16] and skin that can be reduced uh to a [95:19] great extent. [95:20] And then uh g whiz at some point [95:24] probably like I I uh when I was super [95:27] fat I had like a lot of this skin here [95:30] and so I'd probably want to do skin [95:31] tightening to get this all like nice and [95:34] cyborg looking cuz that's how I want to [95:35] look. And there's probably a few other [95:37] things but like I would do that. And [95:39] then another procedure I'm interested in [95:41] potentially having in the future is to [95:44] have uh this is a procedure they've only [95:46] done experimentally and so this will be [95:47] years from now cuz I'm not trying to do [95:49] anything super crazy is there's fat [95:52] that's called visceral fat that's like [95:53] between your organs or just underneath [95:55] your visceral organs inside of your gut. [95:58] And so technically inside of your gut [96:00] inside of your abdomen and so what they [96:02] can do now is they can get in there and [96:04] lipo that fat out. that fat's really bad [96:07] for your health and it also keeps my [96:09] waist wider than necessary. And so I'd [96:10] want to do that. And it eventually what [96:12] I would want to do is completely [96:14] reconstruct my waist because I have a [96:16] very lax abdominal wall. And so like if [96:18] I tighten up for a pose, it looks really [96:20] cool and super small waist. If I do [96:22] anything else, just totally relax. I [96:23] have this giant hanging gut and it's [96:25] kind of like won't love it. And so [96:27] eventually I'd want that completely [96:29] shrink wrapped, pulled in as tight as [96:31] possible and enclosed with a plastic [96:34] sheath so that it's permanently really [96:36] small. [96:36] >> How much is that going to cost? All of [96:38] it? [96:38] >> Uh probably like uh the whole thing. I [96:41] have no idea. I haven't gotten quotes on [96:42] that last one, but $1 to $200,000 [96:46] probably. [96:47] >> And why are you doing it? Just for to [96:49] look better. [96:50] >> Mhm. [96:51] >> And is that in the pursuit of like an a [96:54] pro card? [96:55] >> No. No, I can't. All of that stuff, I [96:57] think, is like So, all of that fat [96:59] stuff, they they take the fat out and [97:02] the healthy and probably good thing to [97:04] do is to put the fat back in somewhere. [97:07] So, I'd probably put most of that fat [97:08] back into my glutes. Um, it would make [97:11] for more comfortable sitting. Uh, I have [97:14] pretty lean glutes for where all of my [97:16] body fat goes. And it's cool. It looks [97:18] cool on stage, but it doesn't like it's [97:20] not a cool You're not showing off your [97:22] ass mostly to people. you're not seeing [97:24] your own ass a lot. And so I'm going to [97:27] take a shot at some bodybuilding before [97:29] I do any of these procedures. Uh and [97:31] then that'll just be to look cool. [97:33] There's no uh other reason that I think [97:36] it looks sweet in the mirror to me. I [97:38] don't have any illusions about it [97:40] looking good for other people. I could [97:41] care less and uh it's not any kind of [97:44] instrumental goal. I don't think it's [97:45] going to make them more money on [97:47] Instagram or something like that. It's [97:49] just cuz I want to look super cool and [97:51] that's my idea of how I want to look [97:52] cool. [97:53] >> People claim that lean is law. It is [97:56] actually a complete coincidence that [97:58] Greg Ducet was filming with us last [98:00] week. He was here in town and then I [98:03] learned that you're in town this [98:04] morning. We were able to schedule this [98:06] podcast episode, but I got a lot of [98:08] interesting insights from Greg. He says [98:10] that you should get lean first and then [98:12] just start building up from there [98:14] because if you plan on getting lean at [98:16] some point in the future, you're just [98:17] like delaying a good physique. [98:19] >> There's a lot of wisdom there. [98:21] I think [98:24] it really depends on the person and it [98:25] depends on their goals and what they [98:27] like. [98:28] But a lot of people have aspirations for [98:31] how they're going to look like when [98:32] they're jacked. But lean is really baked [98:35] into that [98:36] >> because if you make somebody jacked but [98:38] they have like 25% body fat, they just [98:40] kind of look fluffy, but then you know [98:42] they're in the gym lifting crazy weights [98:44] and you're like, "Oh, that's muscle." [98:45] Like I didn't I didn't know. So if you [98:48] get lean first, every version of lean [98:51] outside of like just completely [98:53] emaciated thin [98:55] is a good look. And then once you get [98:58] lean, [98:59] not only is it healthier to bulk because [99:01] you're not getting super over fat, [99:03] because if you start not lean and you [99:04] bulk and get really not lean and that's [99:07] not good for your health, the entire [99:09] time you start lean and then you go and [99:12] you bulk and you end pretty lean. And so [99:14] even at the top of your bulk, you're not [99:15] like disgusting looking, which I've done [99:17] like about 100,000 times. It's not fun. [99:20] And also you can have this process where [99:23] you see your body changing in the mirror [99:25] because you're still lean enough to see [99:26] the muscle shapes changing. So like I [99:28] knew that my delts are bigger. I could [99:29] tell. So if you start at a pretty high [99:32] body fat and then you bulk from there, [99:34] you can't tell anything. And then later [99:36] you have way a ton of fat to pull off. [99:39] Couldn't come with loose skin, all this [99:40] other stuff. You could just diet for [99:42] months and months and months and months [99:43] and then you're just okay regular and [99:44] you have to take a break and then diet [99:46] again. And so there is something the [99:48] idea that if you want the physique to [99:50] look awesome right away and have an [99:51] awesome physique journey and you're kind [99:53] of like uh a little skinny fat. I would [99:56] say I would say I would amend Greg's [99:57] advice in one way. Start by just [100:00] recmping for like one to two years. Like [100:03] you just maintain your body weight, eat [100:06] plenty of protein, good healthy foods, [100:07] and train with weights pretty hard. [100:09] You're going to gain muscle and lose fat [100:11] at the same time for like literally two [100:13] years. And then getting lean is a matter [100:16] of maybe losing just 10 pounds and then [100:17] you're already goddamn jacked and then [100:19] you do the Greg Gasset advice where you [100:20] stay relatively lean and you keep going [100:22] up and up and up. I don't know if this [100:24] is Greg's logic, but to me having [100:26] coached a bunch of people [100:28] >> when people say they want to get more [100:29] jacked and you convince them to get [100:31] leaner first, they love the look and [100:33] then the getting jacked is really fun [100:35] because they're lean and getting jacked. [100:37] But if they're like, "Dude, I just want [100:38] to put on muscle. I don't care about [100:39] lean." A lot of them will come up to you [100:41] three months later and be like, "Hey [100:43] man, I I look pudgy. What the?" And [100:45] you're like, "You asked for this." And [100:47] they're like, "I didn't see that it [100:48] would it would require this." Does that [100:50] make sense? [100:51] >> It's a psychological thing. [100:52] >> Super psychological. It is physical, [100:54] too, cuz the the more excess fat you [100:56] gain, the worse. So, it's good to get a [100:58] little leaner to give yourself some [100:59] runway for the bulk. But the psychology [101:01] is a big thing. Most people, that's how [101:03] they're going to want to play it. [101:05] >> H because he's fresh in our minds. How [101:08] is your relationship with Greg? [101:09] >> I don't have a relationship with Greg. [101:11] >> You guys have one of the longest [101:13] standing just like internet not beefs [101:15] but just like video punch this that like [101:18] funny have a relationship with him. [101:20] >> I don't think we do because it's I mean [101:22] the last when is the last time I made [101:24] content about Greg. [101:25] >> But you don't I mean it's more of a [101:26] one-sided thing. [101:28] >> Like Greg just like launches missile [101:30] after missile after. [101:31] >> He's going to launch a bunch from this [101:32] podcast. [101:33] >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. [101:34] >> Greg has a job to do. it is to make as [101:36] much money as possible on YouTube. Greg [101:38] doesn't care who he talks about. He [101:40] talks only about the people that will [101:42] get the most clicks and the most views. [101:43] This is not my suspicion. This is Greg [101:45] Det literally telling me and anyone else [101:47] who will listen that this is how he runs [101:49] his YouTube channel. I would love to [101:51] feel honored by all the attention I get [101:53] from Greg. But the reality is it's just [101:55] cuz I'm popular. And if I fall off [101:58] tomorrow, Greg will never make another [102:00] video about me again. It's just an [102:02] attention machine thing. It's just doing [102:04] its job. Well, I told Greg, I was like, [102:07] "Hey, just letting you know we're [102:08] filming with Mike today." And I was [102:09] like, "If you have any questions, submit [102:11] them." [102:12] >> Okay. [102:12] >> And Greg sent some questions over. And [102:15] so, I think it'd be really funny if we [102:17] got you to react to a couple of these [102:19] questions. [102:20] >> You claim to be healthy, but yet you [102:22] have not posted your blood work. [102:25] >> What reasons do you have for not posting [102:27] your blood work, and do you plan to do [102:29] so in the near future? [102:31] Uh, I understood that as I need to make [102:34] a video about Mike's blood work. I need [102:36] money. Mike, make a video so that I can [102:38] say your blood work is fake if it's too [102:40] good and talk about how you're going to [102:41] die if it's too bad. [102:44] >> There's my answer. [102:46] >> So, you wouldn't do it? [102:47] >> No, I'll do it eventually. I'll post [102:49] some blood work eventually. Um, [102:50] >> what's holding you back from posting [102:52] blood work? [102:52] >> People who watch our YouTube channel [102:55] don't care a ton about me as a person. [102:58] They care a little bit more about [103:00] getting some good advice about training [103:01] and diet and having a few laughs along [103:03] the way. We've A and B tested the out of [103:06] this. The talk, the incessant focus on [103:10] my particulars of my life and my going [103:12] on and my training and my surgeries is [103:15] like there was a moment where I had that [103:17] peak of crazy internet popularity. [103:19] Everyone gets that and then they go back [103:20] to something normal. During that peak, [103:22] it seemed like there was interest in me. [103:24] I never got it cuz I don't think I'm [103:25] that interesting. And so now we know for [103:28] a fact that the stuff that does well on [103:29] the channel is like people are learning [103:31] and they're laughing a little bit. They [103:33] love it. Stuff that does the best for us [103:35] long-term, short-term, everything. Me [103:38] posting my blood work, not either one of [103:40] those categories. And so it's kind of [103:42] like we might do it at some point. I'm [103:45] probably going to get a really extensive [103:46] blood work here in like the next few [103:47] months when I'm super lean and on more [103:49] steroids than usual to be like like how [103:51] fast am I dying? That might do well if [103:53] we thumbnail title it appropriate. [103:55] That's compelling. But like um there's [103:57] no there's no real impetus for that. I [103:59] have tons of blood work I could publish [104:01] from years before and stuff. It's it'll [104:03] probably be pretty good. Some bad stuff [104:04] on there, but you know [104:06] >> what's the worst that's on there? [104:08] >> Um my HDL will probably my good [104:10] cholesterol will be pretty low because [104:12] of the steroids, but my total [104:14] cholesterol is probably going to be [104:15] really low. My blood pressure is low. [104:16] All that stuff. [104:17] >> Speaking of steroids, this is the next [104:19] question. the game. [104:21] >> Seeing as you know that steroids are [104:22] taking years off of your life, that [104:24] they're horribly dangerous, why do you [104:27] continue to use them? Why do you think [104:29] that you right now are addicted? And do [104:32] you ever see a time? [104:34] >> Oh my god, what a your future when you [104:36] would be willing to stop. [104:40] >> Greg is like a terrible lawyer where [104:42] like he's interrogating someone. He's [104:44] like, "Where were you on the night that [104:45] you murdered Francine?" [104:48] I didn't uh Yeah. So, I mean, how do I [104:52] answer something like that? Uh I do an [104:54] intelligent calculated decision about [104:56] taking steroids and I'm comfortable with [105:00] the risk trade-offs [105:02] and uh that is what it is. Yeah. But I'm [105:06] I don't think I'm addicted to steroids. [105:08] I take them very reluctantly. They're [105:10] not fun to take. [105:10] >> And then we have one last question here. [105:13] I've recently read your book, The [105:15] Aesthetics Revolution. And in the book, [105:18] I'm surprised to hear that you think [105:19] that we could eventually achieve the [105:22] bodies, the physiques of our dreams. [105:24] >> Even if we could, do you actually think [105:27] that this would make you or anyone else [105:29] happy? [105:32] >> More of a philosophical question. [105:33] >> I just wish he was smarter. [105:36] Um, [105:36] >> what do you wish he asked you? [105:38] >> Nothing. I don't want to talk to him. [105:40] >> Is there a question that he could have [105:41] asked you that you would have said? [105:42] That's a great question. [105:44] >> Hey, Mike. Why in real life am I nice to [105:48] your face and look down when you look me [105:50] in the eyes, but on the internet I [105:52] posture like I'm confident. That'd be a [105:55] real good question for Greg to ask me. [105:57] >> Well, you'll make a great That'll Greg, [105:59] you're welcome, by the way. That'll be a [106:01] three video series. Mike's butt hurt. [106:05] Um, can I I I'll try to answer that [106:07] question. Um, people who look better [106:10] over time dependably become on average [106:14] somewhat happier. It's not a huge thing, [106:17] but it's a decent thing. Some people [106:19] become way happier from looking better. [106:22] Most people become a little bit happier [106:23] from looking better. Some people become [106:25] no happier. And some very small [106:27] fraction, but real fraction of people [106:29] become less happy as they look better. [106:31] And so you have this kind of rainbow, [106:33] right? This average distribution of [106:34] happiness. the the mean of which is like [106:37] substantially happier. And so I think as [106:39] people embody more and more of what they [106:42] want to look like, we just can expect [106:43] people to be like much happier, but not [106:46] in a psychotic way, but like [106:47] significantly happier on average. Super [106:49] super straightforward. [106:50] >> So if you think that or if you know your [106:54] experience has been that when you meet [106:55] Greg, he sort of looks down or he [106:57] doesn't make eye contact or [106:58] >> two completely different personalities. [107:00] >> He's very friendly to you in person. [107:01] Would you be open for us, Graham and I, [107:05] to host a conversation with both you and [107:08] Greg if we could get Greg to agree to [107:10] it? [107:10] >> Well, of course you'll get Greg to agree [107:11] to it. You think he has anything better [107:12] to do? [107:13] >> But it would be really interesting to [107:15] see like how that would go if in person [107:18] you guys are totally fine and nice to [107:20] each other and kind and like for an [107:22] actual sitdown. I think a lot of people [107:23] would love to hear that. I think it [107:25] would be entertaining, educational. [107:27] Yeah, we've done like debates against [107:28] each other and had cordial conversations [107:30] on podcasts and stuff. Yeah, it's it's [107:32] happened. We can do it again. Great. [107:33] >> Would you be open to it? [107:34] >> Yeah, of course. [107:35] >> Oh, I would love to. I think that would [107:36] be fun. [107:36] >> I think it would be amazing. [107:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. [107:38] >> And we'll be [107:39] >> I have no skin in the game. [107:40] >> And I don't even I don't even want it to [107:42] >> I don't have any skin in the game [107:43] either. I don't even know what the game [107:44] is. [107:45] >> I don't even want to turn it into a [107:46] debate. Like a lot of people I think [107:48] >> very comfortable with a debate. [107:49] >> I I mean I think that we wouldn't be [107:51] very good at moderating a debate [107:52] transparently because I have no idea. [107:53] Like you're too complicated. He's too [107:55] complicated. But either way, I think it' [107:57] make some fun content. Like we could [107:58] even like Yeah. Like physiques or [108:00] something. [108:01] >> Yeah. [108:02] >> Yeah. Sign me up. [108:03] >> That would be fun. [108:04] >> All right. Well, make sure to subscribe, [108:06] by the way, so uh you don't miss this [108:08] cuz this would be uh the meetup of the [108:11] the year. [108:12] >> Oh jeez. [108:15] >> Greg's going to be eating for months [108:16] after this. [108:17] >> He's going to love it. Yeah. [108:19] >> So, to close out the podcast, we have [108:20] two final games. The first of which is a [108:23] physique tier list. Jeff Nippard, [108:27] phenomenal physique, us two. [108:30] >> I once called him a short king and he [108:32] instantly corrected me and said he was a [108:34] short god. [108:37] >> Makes sense. [108:37] >> I kneel. [108:38] >> Okay, [108:40] >> this is um obvious. [108:44] >> Who is this? [108:45] >> This is six time Mr. Olympia Chris [108:48] Bumstead. [108:48] >> Okay. [108:49] >> One of the greatest fees of all time. [108:52] Um, Greg now or Greg in his prime. [108:56] >> Let's do prime Greg. [108:57] >> Prime Greg. [109:00] Great physique. [109:04] >> Jesse James West. [109:08] Excellent physique. [109:11] >> I don't know who this person is. [109:13] >> Let me see. [109:17] >> Alex Eubank. [109:19] >> Oh. [109:21] Oh. Uh, memory. Yeah, great physique. [109:25] It's a picture of his face. [109:29] >> Michael Hearn, [109:32] great physique [109:34] >> and doesn't age. [109:37] >> Joey Swole, maybe. [109:38] >> Mhm. I don't I don't know what his [109:41] physique looks like. I'm going to put [109:43] him in B just cuz I just don't know what [109:45] his physique looks like. That is not [109:47] insulting. I'm sure his physique is [109:48] >> You could also not rate them, you know. [109:50] So if you don't [109:52] >> Oh, if you don't know their what their [109:54] physique looks like, then there's no [109:55] >> unrated. Joey Swall goes back. [109:57] >> Nope. [110:00] >> Miss Lean Beef Patty [110:03] phenomenal physique and in real life [110:05] phenomenal human being. [110:08] Will Tennyson [110:10] very good physique? [110:14] >> God. Yeah. Btier. [110:17] >> What makes him Btier and not S tier? [110:19] Because Jesse James West, I think you [110:20] rated the higher. So what makes Jesse [110:23] James West better than Will in terms of [110:26] physique? [110:27] >> Just my own personal vibe on flow. [110:29] >> Sure. [110:30] >> Yeah. Like Will's physique is amazing, [110:32] but Jesse has that kind of like [110:35] >> his balance of arm and delt and waist [110:37] size just gets me like a little bit more [110:39] salient. These are not I'm not trying to [110:42] make any claims here. [110:45] >> Um, okay. So people who I don't know who [110:46] they are, I don't rate them. Skip them. [110:48] Okay. [110:49] Are these the trend twins here? There's [110:51] these two people. [110:54] >> Great physiques. The trend twins. Uh [110:56] let's say yep, right there. [111:00] This is [111:02] no diesel [111:07] has a fine physique. [111:12] David Gogggins. [111:22] Wow. [111:24] >> Compared to the folks on here. [111:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. [111:27] >> Physique's not what he's known for. Sam [111:30] Sulk, [111:33] great physique. [111:37] Mike Ezrael [111:39] >> prime. [111:41] >> Yeah. [111:43] C tier. [111:44] >> Really? [111:44] >> Yeah. [111:45] >> I think that's fair. [111:46] >> You think I should be lower? [111:48] >> No. I don't I don't understand why you [111:49] put yourself C. That's interesting. [111:52] >> Um, [111:56] >> granted, I'm not very educated in the [111:58] space, [111:58] >> so like [111:59] >> I am. [112:00] >> Yeah. Like I mean, when I see [112:02] >> Ctier, [112:02] >> a lot of shredded like [112:04] >> physiques kind of look the same to me. [112:06] like lines though and stuff like Will [112:08] Tennyson has better flow to his physique [112:10] than I do for sure. And so like I can't [112:12] and so so does null. [112:14] >> That's fair. And I would say like your [112:15] low physique could be lower than theirs. [112:17] But if you're like fully toned and [112:19] >> fully toned Oh, they look they look [112:22] great those guys. The Rock [112:27] for his age [112:29] >> and profession [112:31] S tier. Like he was in that movie like [112:34] uh what was it? Uh Shazam or whatever [112:38] the Black Adam movie. [112:39] >> What's this mother? He's like 50 years [112:41] old. He's like Superman body. It's nuts. [112:44] Samoans, they don't age like the regular [112:46] people. Oh, Mr. Liver King. Okay. Larry [112:49] Wheels. [112:50] >> He's up there with Sam Sulick and those [112:53] guys. [112:56] Um, [112:58] I've never seen a picture of Derek more [113:00] plates, more dates in his full body. He [113:03] has large delts. So, I've seen [113:07] Liver King is a tough one, you guys. [113:10] >> Why is that? [113:10] >> Do you like his physique? [113:12] >> I I mean, like, in his prime, he's [113:14] completely shredded, but not a very [113:17] pretty physique. So, I'd probably say [113:20] Liver King is like in my realm [113:23] somewhere. [113:38] Yeah. [113:40] >> Let me take a look at this. Who's on [113:41] there? Oh, Caleb Hammer. You didn't rate [113:43] Caleb Hammer? [113:43] >> I I don't think I know who that is. [113:45] >> Tony, [113:46] >> I I [113:47] >> Wow. [113:47] >> I think I I've not not seen physically. [113:50] >> You've not seen Okay, [113:51] >> interesting. [113:52] The last exercise is gonna be a very fun [113:56] one. [113:56] >> Okay. [113:57] >> So, this we have 10 pictures of biceps [114:02] and you just guess who it is from the [114:04] picture of their bicep. [114:05] >> Okay. I'm very good at this with also. [114:09] >> So is Jack. So Jack. [114:11] >> Oh, I know. [114:12] >> Do you think that you're going to do [114:14] well at this? [114:15] >> Probably not. [114:16] >> So, you just uh all you have to do is [114:18] scroll down and it will take you to the [114:20] next slide. Arnold Schwarzenegger. [114:22] >> Yep. I was going to say immediately. [114:25] >> No clue. Ronnie Coleman. That's an odd [114:28] angle. [114:29] >> Yeah, that was a tricky one. [114:33] >> Mike Menser. Hey. [114:35] >> Yeah, there you go. [114:38] >> Dorian. Yeah. [114:40] >> Nice. [114:43] >> Greg Det. [114:45] >> Wow. Is it really good? [114:48] >> No clue. Jay Cutler really mean [114:53] >> what? What's the face? [114:55] >> I just don't man I just don't know. Uh [114:57] Jeff Nippert interesting. I would never [114:58] guess that. [114:59] >> Is a really bad picture tale. [115:00] >> Is it This is not Jeff Nipper any [115:02] justice. [115:08] >> What are you laughing at? [115:09] >> I Is this yours or something? [115:12] >> I don't know which one. [115:13] >> Jack Selby, [115:15] >> why did you laugh when you saw a picture [115:16] of my bicep? It's the palenness on the [115:20] >> Oh, wait. Can I see it? [115:21] >> And the and the and the armpit hair that [115:24] is like one of these is not like the [115:26] others. [115:27] >> That's the photo you took, Jack. [115:29] >> That's a good looking arm. [115:30] >> That's the photo. [115:31] >> Yeah, there's the photo. That's [115:33] hilarious. [115:34] >> No clue, [115:37] >> Graham. Really, [115:39] >> dude? Holy freak. [115:42] >> You have like three biceps. You're only [115:44] supposed to have two. Look at that. He [115:46] does have a sleeper bill. [115:47] >> No, no, it's it's uh that was edited. [115:50] It's He doesn't have three biceps. [115:52] >> That was That was too But he does have a [115:55] He does have great biceps. Like he's [115:57] actually pretty Yeah, it's impressive. [116:00] >> I'm impressed either way. [116:01] >> Thank you, man. [116:02] >> Number 10, Dr. Mike Ezra. Yeah, that [116:05] one's easy. [116:06] >> Boom. [116:07] >> Not too bad. [116:08] >> Not bad. Not bad. [116:10] >> That's pretty good. [116:11] >> It's It's weird, isn't it? Like if you [116:14] um somebody who's not affiliated with [116:16] physique sport at all watched me do [116:18] that, they'd be like, "What the is wrong [116:19] with that?" [116:20] >> Dude, how do these people know that? [116:22] >> Yeah. [116:22] >> A bunch of people would do just as well. [116:24] >> Yeah. [116:25] >> Yeah. I I was watching like Instagram [116:26] reels of people at the gym being able to [116:28] guess every single person. I'm like, [116:30] this is just like [116:31] >> I guess from an outsers's perspective [116:34] really funny because you're you're able [116:36] to identify a man by their bicep. It's [116:39] like I wonder how like if we I actually [116:42] was going to do a a nipple test for you [116:45] where I was going to pull up like five [116:46] nipples of men and then see if you could [116:48] Oh, that's Arnold's n like and if like [116:51] that just illustrates how ridiculous it [116:53] is how well people know these bodies. [116:55] >> Yes. I think the nipple test most people [116:58] would fail because when well I speak [117:01] only for myself. Uh when I'm looking at [117:03] bodies, I I've spent a lot of time [117:05] looking at magazines, Instagram [117:07] pictures. You look at people's bodies. [117:09] There is like two ways to look at them. [117:12] One is you let the holistic whole hit [117:14] you and you just vibe on it. And that's [117:16] when things like shoulderto- waist [117:18] ratios matter a ton. We just like wo [117:20] like there's just so much there. Like [117:21] Jeff Nippard when he hits like a side [117:23] chest pose. If you guys in editing put [117:25] up a Jeff Nippard side chest pose, it's [117:26] like freaky. Like his waist is like this [117:28] big and his arm is huge. [117:30] >> That's the vibe. But then you can do a [117:32] piece by piece analysis also where you [117:34] look at their delts, you look at their [117:35] tricep shape, you look at their bicep [117:37] peak. That's how you get to memorizing [117:39] people's muscle groups. Like the Ronnie [117:40] Coleman super crazy double bicep peak. [117:42] Like that's hard to miss. That was a me [117:44] being a dummy and that was a trippy [117:46] angle, but like it's just you just know [117:48] it. And the Arnold that's that photo of [117:51] Arnold is actually a classic photo of [117:53] him in like a mountain range in [117:54] California. I knew exactly what that [117:56] photo was as soon as I [117:57] >> Yeah. You see how like you stare a lot [118:00] of bodies when you're in physique sport [118:01] and yeah like you just like it's like [118:05] seeing a door you're like yeah that's [118:07] for sure. [118:08] >> We were going to do a testicle test but [118:10] we figured for YouTube it just wouldn't [118:11] work. [118:12] >> It wouldn't work. Also I I need to they [118:13] need to feel it otherwise. [118:15] >> Well blindfolded and you just like this [118:18] >> I love that test. [118:19] >> So do you have any questions for us? [118:21] >> I have a question for you guys. Have you [118:23] ever had someone on the podcast who you [118:27] ask about their financial strategy and [118:29] what they tell you while they tell you [118:31] it, you're in the back of your head [118:33] being like, "Oh my god, you are [118:36] illiterate and you're going to go [118:37] bankrupt." [118:38] >> Yeah, for sure. [118:39] >> Yeah. But you kind of know that going [118:40] in. [118:41] >> Yeah. [118:41] >> Do you? [118:41] >> Oh, yeah. [118:42] >> Yeah. [118:42] >> Yeah. You could tell like [118:44] >> the influencer people or whatever. [118:45] >> Oh, yeah. [118:46] >> I don't want to call Sophie Rain [118:49] illiterate and I don't want to say that [118:50] she's going to go bankrupt. who was [118:51] extremely nice. [118:52] >> I'm not used a person's name. This is [118:54] spicy. [118:54] >> I'm sure she's going to be incredibly [118:57] successful. Like [118:58] >> she learns to read [118:59] >> like like the the thing that threw me [119:01] off. [119:02] >> Who is that? [119:02] >> She makes only fans content, [119:04] >> but she's made over $und00 million is [119:06] her claim that she's made on all like [119:08] the number one earner is what she's [119:10] claimed. [119:10] >> And a lot of people claim various [119:12] versions of that. [119:13] >> Exactly. Like, so I I'm also not the [119:16] expert where I can like actually [119:18] validate her claim. But she showed us [119:20] her [119:20] >> page. I'd want to see a tax to like [119:22] truly put my stamp of uh approval on [119:25] that. [119:25] >> I asked her, "Hey, what is your net [119:26] worth?" Cuz she was saying, "Oh, I don't [119:27] really spend that much money. Like, if [119:29] you've made $100 million over the course [119:31] of a few years, how much of it could you [119:32] really have spent?" Right? Like [119:35] >> probably you can go into debt, but you [119:37] >> But you like you have to have a [119:38] full-time job of spending money and then [119:40] some to actually chip away at. It's just [119:42] so much money. And I asked her, "What's [119:44] your net worth?" And then she said, [119:45] "What did she say?" Between five and $20 [119:47] million. [119:47] >> Between five and $20 million. [119:49] >> And then I was like I was like, "How do [119:51] you have such a broad range first of [119:53] all? And second of all, why would it be [119:55] so low if you've made 100 million?" And [119:57] she was like, "I I don't really know." [119:58] And I was kind of blown away by like [120:00] you're you're working so hard like or [120:02] you're working a lot and you're like [120:04] doing all these things. To what? To what [120:06] end? You know what I mean? Like are you [120:08] passionate about the work and that's why [120:09] you're doing it or is because you want [120:10] to make a lot of money? And if you want [120:11] to make a lot of money, why do you not [120:12] even know how much you have? [120:14] >> Preach. [120:15] It to me is personally painful [120:19] when people who are riding the fame [120:21] wave, especially in a way that's timed [120:24] to like how their body looks or [120:26] whatever, like adult film stars or [120:28] people who are on Only Fans or models. [120:32] when they're not squaring away every [120:36] penny for a rainy day during their [120:40] prime, it just it's it's so tough. I [120:44] just was at another podcast, had some [120:46] talks with some folks. Um, one young man [120:50] there was a manager for a few very top [120:52] tier Only Fans girls. So, I was like, [120:54] whoa, questions questions. And I was [120:57] like, how are they investing their [120:59] money? and he more or less was like, [121:03] >> "Yeah, [121:03] >> not a thing." It's like, man, you're 26 [121:06] years old, you're in your prime, you're [121:09] making crazy money. How do you want to [121:12] live your life at 31? Do you want to see [121:15] the live stream numbers be a fraction of [121:17] what they used to be? Do you want to see [121:18] the checks coming in being a fraction [121:20] what they used to be and have nothing to [121:21] show for it? [121:22] >> Or do you want to have 10 million under [121:24] conservative management and like your [121:26] finance guy says, "You don't ever have [121:28] to go to work again." Both of those are [121:30] very realistic and it really hurts me to [121:33] see people who are making enough money [121:35] that they can really invest it just [121:37] frivolously spending it away on stuff [121:39] that like again remember my answer to [121:40] the question of worst and best ways to [121:42] spend money. [121:43] >> So many people just do that cars thing. [121:45] They get the crazy exotic car and they [121:47] get another exotic car and then another [121:49] exotic car and it's like you're just [121:51] burning money away and it's it's fun. [121:54] It's awesome. Drive all the exotic cars [121:55] you want but like what's tomorrow going [121:57] to look like? My num one of my number [121:59] one motivations for making money and [122:01] just overworking myself to do so is I'm [122:04] never really interested in being poor [122:06] again. Been really poor. Wasn't fun. [122:09] Would not recommend out of 10. And so [122:12] when people are in a position where [122:13] they're making a lot of money, I'm just [122:16] really scared for them when they like [122:17] can backslide into poverty again. And I [122:20] I mean there's literally like with [122:21] rappers and stuff and athletes, it [122:23] happens all the time. like you were like [122:25] on record labels and covers and you were [122:27] making crazy hits and you were making [122:28] millions of dollars and then like 6 [122:30] years later you live in the hood again. [122:34] How does that feel? What do you guys [122:36] think? How does that feel to be like and [122:38] I used to be in a mansion [122:40] >> and now I'm making rent monthtomonth. [122:44] I would have I would be beside myself. I [122:46] wouldn't be able to do it. [122:47] >> That's why we do what we do. I'm [122:48] passionate about trying to teach people [122:50] about it's not how much you make, it's [122:52] how much you save. financial literacy. [122:55] >> My heart, you guys are doing God's work. [122:58] >> Well, thank you so much for coming on [122:59] the show. Thank you guys for watching. [123:00] If you've made it up until this point, [123:02] means the world. We would not be here [123:04] without you. I really appreciate the [123:05] flexibility, by the way. Like, I [123:06] literally found out you're in Vegas this [123:08] morning. You're like, "Yep, I'm free at [123:09] 5. Let's film at 6. [123:12] Everything went perfectly." So, I'm [123:14] really grateful for that. [123:14] >> I appreciate you guys are back. It was [123:16] amazing. [123:16] >> Thank you. And by the way, for all the [123:18] channel members, if you want to see next [123:20] week's episode, it's already live for [123:22] you guys. So, here's a little preview [123:24] for you. Thank you so much and until [123:26] next time. [123:27] >> I watched Bitcoin fall 50% in a 10-hour [123:29] period and I was on the couch curled up [123:31] in a ball and like saying to my now [123:33] wife, I think our net worth might go to [123:35] zero today. [123:36] >> Bitcoin is a resilient asset that is [123:37] really serving as global insurance. And [123:39] so, anytime that there's chaos in the [123:40] world, there's going to be people who [123:41] run to Bitcoin. [123:42] >> In one sentence, what is your strongest [123:45] argument for Bitcoin? [123:46] >> They will never ever stop printing [123:47] money. There's two assets you need for [123:49] the future we're headed towards. Bitcoin [123:51] and AI. Is it too late to buy Bitcoin? [123:53] >> Bitcoin is going to continue to go up [123:55] for the rest of our lives because the [123:56] politicians are going to print money for [123:58] the rest of our lives. [123:59] >> So, do you think then meme coins are bad [124:02] for the overall market of Bitcoin? If [124:05] you were to take one guess at who [124:07] Satoshi is, who would you say?