Millan Overhauls Dog Training Strategy to Fix Human Behavior

米兰重塑训犬策略以修正人类行为 犬类的行为问题直接源于主人投射人类情感与无原则的溺爱，而非提供自然的体能锻炼和结构化的领袖指引。 在本期节目中，Cesar Millan分享了他在犬类行为方面的核心理念，主张优先尊重犬类的自然本能、精神特质与群体秩序，而非现代的拟人化对待。他介绍了消除行为问题的关键准则，例如打招呼时的“不看不碰不说话”（No Look, No Touch, No Speak）原则、负重背包的使用，以及“运动、纪律、关爱”的最佳顺序。对话还深入探讨了人类的情绪稳定、明确的边界共识与自我意识如何直接映射并影响犬类的心理状态，并将这些领袖原则进一步延伸至人际关系和个人成长领域。 狗是具有生物学本能的群居动物，主要对能量、肢体语言和行动做出反应，而非字面语言或单纯的溺爱。 (0:00) 掌握结构化日常散步可消除 90% 的犬类行为问题；为高能量犬佩戴负重背包能有效消耗其多余的体能与精力。 (19:30) 幼犬感官发育遵循鼻子、眼睛、耳朵的演化顺序；进门时严格执行“不看、不碰、不说话”（No Look, No Touch, No Speak）规则，有助于消除过度兴奋和焦虑。 (26:44) 健康的晨间规程应遵循“散步锻炼、规则训练、喂食、最后给予抚摩关爱”的严格顺序，避免用惩罚误解纪律。 (46:57) 收养流浪犬或救助犬的主人常陷入“怜悯过去”的心理陷阱，投射同情与悲伤反而容易诱发狗的恐惧和焦虑。 (58:59)

Dog trainer Cesar Millan and neurobiologist Andrew Huberman argue that canine behavior directly reflects human energy, asserting that domestic dogs require instinctual pack leadership rather than humanized emotional projections. Millan contends that behavioral balance depends on humans mastering calm assertiveness through a structured progression of exercise, discipline, and affection. Cultivating Calm Energy over Humanized Emotion (6:31) Millan asserts that animals operate entirely on reactive instincts rather than intellectualized concepts, meaning an animal's behavioral issues directly mirror the human handler's emotional state. He outlines a core energetic formula for pack leadership comprising silence to generate patience, breath-anchored calmness to build trust, knowledge-based confidence, disciplined love, and celebratory joy. According to Millan, owners who treat rescue dogs with persistent pity or project human roles onto them trap animals in past trauma, whereas dogs naturally live exclusively in the present moment. Huberman and Millan observe that modern owners frequently attempt to lead animals using spoken language and intellect, reversing the natural biological sensory sequence of dogs, which perceive the environment through nose, eyes, then ears. Millan argues that dogs are immune to human metrics of status, wealth, and power, responding solely to whether a human handler projects authentic stability and protection. Prioritizing Exercise and Structure Before Affection (46:57) Millan maintains that mastering the structured daily walk resolves approximately 90% of canine behavioral problems, with the remaining 10% governed by clear rules, boundaries, and limitations. Modern owners often invert this structure by defaulting to morning affection and treats out of guilt for keeping their pets indoors for up to 23.5 hours a day. Millan clarifies that discipline does not mean punishment, but rather structural limitations that provide clear direction before affection is offered as a reward. To prevent destructive behaviors, chronic barking, and dominant mounting—which Millan attributes to unspent physical and sexual energy—dogs must fulfill their natural biological cycle upon waking: stretch, walk, run, rest, and sleep. Millan highlights that breeds such as Siberian Huskies require migration-level exercise rather than brief strolls. For high-energy dogs, he advises using weighted backpacks or treadmills as supplemental tools to drain both physical stamina and overactive mental states. Establishing Boundaries via Greetings and Spatial Rules (30:14) Huberman and Millan emphasize practical protocols to keep dogs from assuming an anxious leadership vacuum. Millan's central greeting rule—"no look, no touch, no speak"—instructs owners to ignore hyper-excited dogs when returning home until the animal settles into calm surrender. Huberman notes that immediately indulging a frantic greeting reinforces an unstable mental state and assuages human guilt rather than supporting the animal's psychological health. This boundary framework extends to household spaces through the distinction between "invading" and "inviting." Millan explains that a dog jumping onto couches or beds unprompted is invading the space and asserting dominance, whereas waiting on the floor until explicitly invited maintains proper pack hierarchy. Additionally, Millan cautions against using pets as unilateral emotional support during human crises; dogs absorb uncontextualized human anxiety, creating what Huberman describes as "trickle-down anxiety" unless the handler actively clears that tension through physical activity. Neurobiology, Cold Exposure, and Leadership Fluidity (118:02) Unlike dogs, whose pack position (front, middle, or back) is fixed from birth, Millan explains that self-aware humans possess the fluid capability to shift roles—stepping to the front to provide direction and protection, moving to the middle during routine execution, or adopting calm surrender at the back when assessing a situation. He stresses that true authority cannot be feigned through superficial posturing, because animals instantly detect incongruous internal tension. To help overstimulated individuals achieve the mental stillness required for animal leadership, Millan and Huberman recommend deliberate cold exposure. Huberman explains that cold plunges flood the nervous system with adrenaline and sustained dopamine while temporarily suppressing prefrontal cortex activity, thereby quieting analytical overthinking. Millan views this physiological state of non-anticipatory calm as an effective reset, allowing humans to eliminate chaotic energy before engaging with their dogs or families. Millan and Huberman conclude that canine rehabilitation serves as a direct proxy for human self-regulation, observing that domestic dogs will not willingly follow unstable leaders. The discussion leaves open the practical challenge of how time-constrained urban owners can routinely fulfill the intense physical migration demands of working breeds within modern domestic environments.

犬类训练家Cesar Millan与神经生物学家Andrew Huberman认为，犬类行为问题本质上是人类能量与领导力失衡的镜像；狗作为依循本能的群居动物，需要人类以平静、果断的能量建立规则、结构化运动和心理边界，而非通过投射内疚、言语说教或无节制的溺爱将其拟人化。 能量公式与本能沟通机制 (6:31) Cesar Millan指出，动物行为完全由本能驱动而非理性知识，因此不可用人类道德体系评判犬只过失；狗的举止是主人内在能量的直接投射。Millan提出了领导能量的公式：以沉默孕育耐心、以平稳呼吸锚定平静、以知识建立自信、在正确时机给予关爱以避免强化错误行为，并在达成目标后释放喜悦。在神经认知发育上，幼犬认识世界的生理顺序是嗅觉、视觉、最后才是听觉（15天睁眼，21天开启听觉）。然而，现代人类往往反向先施加语言和视觉刺激，导致本能层面的沟通失效。 Huberman与Millan均强调，日常迎接犬只时应严格执行“不看、不碰、不说话”（No Look, No Touch, No Speak）准则。许多主人因长时间离家而心生内疚，进门便急于搂抱高度兴奋的宠物。Millan指出这并非对快乐的肯定，而是在滋养犬只由孤立产生的混乱与焦虑。通过保持体态沉默与呼吸稳定，人类才能向犬类传递安全、信任与尊重的核心领袖信号。 结构化散步与生理运动节律 (46:57) 针对撕家、吠叫和焦躁等行为紊乱，Millan强调必须坚决遵循“运动、纪律、关爱”（Exercise, Discipline, Affection）的顺序，绝不能以无序的爱替代结构。散步源自犬类的迁徙本能，幼犬成长遵循“先跟随父母、次之玩耍、最后探索”的次序；若允许狗走在前方，会促使其进入玩耍探索心智，甚至强加领路与警戒的心理重压。Millan主张，掌握结构化散步可根除90%的行为问题，其余10%仅为规则与界限的维护。然而多数城市犬只每日仅散步20至30分钟，其余23.5小时被困室内，后院活动无法替代长距离定向移动。 动物苏醒后遵循五项自然生理运动节律：拉伸、走、跑、休息、睡眠。未被耗尽的体能与脑力常转化为持续吠叫和破坏行为。为彻底排空高精力犬只的能量，Millan建议在散步时配备负重背包或在极端天气下合理使用跑步机，通过外物适应对犬脑施加良性负荷，诱导其进入臣服平静态。Huberman结合神经科学指出，幼犬在8周大即可训练前额叶执行自上而下的冲动抑制（top-down inhibition），如食盆放置后的等待指令，以此在初期确立清晰规矩。 空间边界与群体等级动态 (132:13) 围绕犬只是否被允许上床或沙发，Millan指出现代养犬者的核心误区在于混淆了“入侵（invading）”与“邀请（inviting）”。当狗凭自主冲动跳上家具时，是在行使对物理空间的占领与支配；唯有当狗在地面平静等待、直至获得主人明确允许方可进入时，空间共享才是健康受控的。在犬群层级中，犬只在幼崽窝中的顺位天生固定（前排倾向指引保护、中排乐天调和、后排擅长臣服），而拥有自我觉知的人类则具备依据情境在前后排能量间自如切换的优势。 在家庭体系中，所有人类成员必须达成百分之百的能量一致与执行契约。Millan警告，一旦伴侣之间在规则上存在意志动摇或能量分裂，犬只便会迅速察觉并填补权力真空。此外，针对爬跨（mounting）等支配与性冲动交织的行为，必须在出现初始便通过明确的能量与空间隔离予以掐断。Millan结合美国家庭现状指出，长期室内生活且缺乏体脑挑战的未绝育犬只，极易将剩余能量转化为性挫败和领地支配，因而绝育成为调控城市宠物过度兴奋与种群过剩的重要手段。 破除情绪投射与自我能量管理 (118:02) 许多救助犬主人常陷入“深爱其悲惨过去”的心理误区，通过向外界反复诉说创伤史并倾注同情，反使犬只长期陷入恐惧与控制性焦虑。Millan直言“人类讲述故事，狗展现真相”，犬类完全生活在当下，犬只康复的层级必须是先提供平静环境、通过运动建立信任与尊重，最后才给予关爱。若人类盲目将宠物当作自身压力与失落的情感寄托，便会诱发“焦虑下渗（trickle-down anxiety）”，使动物承担无从理解的负面心理垃圾。 为帮助人类摆脱思维内耗、建立纯粹的现场能量，Millan在实践中借助冷水浸泡（Cold Plunge）训练学员。Huberman从神经生物学角度解释，故意暴露于寒冷会引发系统性肾上腺素和去甲肾上腺素激增，并在数小时内产生持续的多巴胺平稳释放；同时，冷水冲击会迅速抑制前额叶皮层的过度策略性思维，强迫大脑在交感神经兴奋中学会通过呼吸达到无预期的绝对平静。这种沉静、专注且坚定的心智状态，正是人类领导犬类及构建健康人际关系所需的底层能量频段。 本期对话表明，犬类管理实质上是人类自我心智与情绪纪律的延伸，犬类能够毫无修饰地映射出饲育者的内在混乱。不过，对谈中展现的大规模无牵引行走、多物种脱敏以及高烈度犬种矫正，高度依附于训练者个人长期的本能直觉与经验沉淀；对于缺乏专业指导与充足体能的普通城市养宠家庭而言，如何在现实约束下安全转化这套能量法则，仍有待具体环境中的审慎权衡。

[6:31] Cesar Millan: Trust the spirit. Respect instinct. Love with the heart. Create with your mind. [26:44] Cesar Millan: Being back of the pack means they master calm surrender... So when I'm assessing and evaluating a dog, I go into my calm surrender state. I go in the back of the pack. When it's time for me to give direction and protection, I go to the front of the pack. When I achieve whatever I need to achieve, I go into the middle of the pack. [32:50] Andrew Huberman: One anecdote was they decided to invite the dog in to watch a movie with them one night... and he let the dog get a little too close to him during the movie. The next day he got bit. And it’s like they’re constantly trying to move up the hierarchy. [53:30] Cesar Millan: Natural is your instinct. Simple is to love. Profound is your spirit. Natural, simple, profound. [55:30] Cesar Millan: When I go to people's home, the human tells you the story and the dog tells you the truth. [119:40] Cesar Millan: Through that cold plunge experience, the human gets to understand breath, patience, you know, confidence and not to think anything... the cold doesn't let you think. The only thing you can do is breathe and wait. [124:35] Cesar Millan: Spirit never dies [134:54] Cesar Millan: nothing can happen without agreement [136:30] Cesar Millan: no touching, no talk, no contact [143:50] Cesar Millan: if you want the dog to be in a restaurant, pet him slow... if a dog is doing agility... pet him hard, pet him fast [152:20] Cesar Millan: I train humans, rehabilitate dogs

[0:00] I'm not saying that to give affection. [0:02] I'm just saying give affection to [0:04] patience and calmness and open mind, [0:06] right? Because when you when your dog [0:08] misbehave, you want him to go back [0:10] there. Go back to your good state of [0:13] mind, right? You don't want the dog to [0:15] do fightlight avoidance, those are the [0:17] bad state of mind. The good state of [0:19] mind is patience comes surrender or [0:22] happy golucky. Those are good state of [0:24] mind. Welcome to the Huberman Lab [0:26] podcast, where we discuss science and [0:28] science-based tools for everyday life. [0:33] I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor [0:35] of neurobiology and opthalmology at [0:38] Stamford School of Medicine. My guest [0:40] today is Caesar Milan, better known as [0:42] the dog whisperer and the preeminent dog [0:45] trainer in the world. Today's episode is [0:47] truly for everyone, not just dog owners. [0:49] You're going to learn a lot about human [0:51] psychology and behavior, and it will [0:53] help you better interact with other [0:54] humans in every type of relationship. [0:57] For instance, you will learn a simple [0:58] tool that allows you to move through the [1:00] world with a clear, calm state of mind [1:02] that will allow you to interact with [1:04] others more effectively, to listen and [1:06] act with more clarity and intention. And [1:09] not incidentally, that clear, calm state [1:11] of mind is also what dogs respond to [1:13] best, and what makes them feel safe and [1:15] healthy. Today we talk about the [1:17] critical importance about understanding [1:19] dog biology and psychology and the fact [1:21] that they are pack animals and that we [1:23] have to remove our human sense about [1:25] these animals as our pets and of course [1:27] they are our pets and they're extremely [1:29] cute. They are family members but [1:31] understand the hardwired aspects of [1:33] their brain and biology that allow us to [1:36] be the best leaders for them. I have to [1:38] warn you, a lot of what you hear today [1:39] may sound counterintuitive at first [1:41] until you understand the biology of dogs [1:44] and the fact that they respond to [1:45] people's energy and actions, not words. [1:48] I know they can listen to commands, they [1:50] can learn words and commands, but [1:51] they're responding to the energy and the [1:53] actions associated with those commands. [1:55] Only then can you be the most effective [1:57] dog owner. And by effective, I mean [1:59] making your dog as healthy and feeling [2:01] safe as possible. I should point out [2:03] that one of the reasons I'm so excited [2:04] Caesar came on this podcast is that I [2:07] had an amazingly positive experience [2:08] with his methods years ago when I got my [2:11] first puppy, Costello, who was a bulldog [2:12] mastiff. I read his book, Be the Pack [2:14] Leader, and the principles within that [2:16] book were critical for developing an [2:19] incredible relationship with Costello, [2:21] who lived 11 years. You could bring him [2:22] into any environment. I would bring it [2:24] to class. I would bring him into [2:25] different people's homes. I could take [2:27] him essentially anywhere. He loved kids. [2:29] He loved people. And he was extremely [2:31] well behaved. exceedingly lazy, too, but [2:33] exceedingly well- behaved. And I credit [2:35] that to the methods that I learned from [2:37] Caesar's book. So, if you have a dog or [2:39] you're considering getting a dog or you [2:41] want to better understand how to [2:42] regulate your energy and behavior in all [2:45] types of interactions with dogs, with [2:47] cats, and with other humans, today's [2:49] episode will teach you those extremely [2:51] valuable tools. And I'm extremely [2:53] pleased to announce the newest member of [2:55] the Huberman Lab podcast team, Strummer. [2:59] He's also a bulldog mastiff mut. He's [3:02] similar to Costello in breed, but I [3:05] should say not a pure English bulldog. [3:07] So, not a lot of snoring and the other [3:09] stuff that go along with English [3:10] bulldogs. I love the English bulldog [3:12] breed, but when they're mudded with [3:13] other breeds like this one, they breathe [3:15] a lot easier and he's just the sweetest [3:17] thing. So, you'll be seeing and perhaps [3:19] hearing more from Strummer. I am [3:21] applying all of Caesar's methods to [3:23] training Strummer. You can see he's a [3:24] very calm, relaxed dog. He gets two [3:26] walks a day and a bunch of other things [3:28] you'll learn about during today's [3:29] episode that will benefit you if you [3:31] have or you're thinking about getting a [3:33] dog. Before we begin, I'd like to [3:35] emphasize that this podcast is separate [3:37] from my teaching and research roles at [3:38] Stanford. It is however part of my [3:40] desire and effort to bring zero cost to [3:42] consumer information about science and [3:44] science related tools to the general [3:46] public. In keeping with that theme, [3:47] today's episode does include sponsors. [3:50] And now for my discussion with Caesar [3:52] Milan. Cesar Milan. [3:54] >> Yes, sir. Welcome. I'm a huge fan. [3:56] >> Thank you. [3:57] >> Your book, [3:58] >> thank you. Thank you. I'm honored to [3:59] hear that. I But I will say your book, [4:02] >> Be the Pack Leader. I read the hard copy [4:05] >> to raise my first puppy. We never had a [4:07] dog in my home growing up. [4:08] >> Yeah. [4:09] >> To raise Costello. [4:10] >> Yeah. [4:10] >> Bulldog mix. Stubborn dog. [4:13] >> We went 11 years together, he and I. And [4:16] that book and your other teachings were [4:19] tremendously impactful for my [4:21] relationship with him. Yeah. but also in [4:23] my work life, in my entire life. We're [4:26] going to talk about some of the themes [4:27] from that book and beyond today. But I [4:29] just want to extend my gratitude. It's a [4:32] true honor and pleasure to have you [4:33] here. [4:34] >> Yeah. In uh modern parlance, they say, [4:36] "You're the man." [4:37] >> No, you're the man. [4:38] >> The pack leader. [4:39] >> That's right. Yeah, many many people [4:41] want dogs, have dogs, have these [4:44] concepts of dogs that lead them to think [4:46] they're a great dog owner, but a lot of [4:49] dog behavioral issues, emotional issues. [4:53] >> We know probably reflect something in [4:55] >> the human as well. [4:56] >> Yeah, probably. [4:58] >> So certainly, [4:58] >> yeah, because there is no knowledge [5:00] behind instinct. It's all reaction. So [5:01] you can never blame an animal for doing [5:04] the wrong thing. You see it? So, so you [5:07] can guarantee for a dog to do the right [5:10] thing, right? And and so how well that [5:12] means the human has good energy. And [5:14] what's good energy? Well, if you [5:16] understand the power of silence, which [5:18] that gives you patience, the power of [5:20] calmness, which that gives you trust. [5:22] And calmness is you just learn how to [5:23] breathe, right? The power of confidence, [5:26] that's knowledge, right? And the the [5:28] power of love when to give love because [5:30] a lot of times people give love at the [5:31] wrong time. So you end up nurturing the [5:34] wrong behavior, [5:35] >> right? So that's what happened to my [5:36] clients. And then the power of joy, [5:38] that's the celebration, right? We're [5:40] going to FIFA right now. We're going to [5:41] World Cup. Nobody celebrates unless they [5:43] make a goal. You see what I'm saying? [5:45] But they have to be patient, calm, [5:46] confident, love what they're doing, and [5:48] celebrate afterward. See, they follow [5:50] that formula. It's the silence. It's the [5:52] comment before anybody's going to go [5:54] through something so powerful uh such as [5:57] winning, right? Or being in a team or [5:59] being in a group. The energies of [6:02] silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy [6:04] is what makes them become a great team [6:07] because that's what connects your [6:08] spirit, your instinct, your heart and [6:10] your mind. It's the same way we have to [6:11] connect with a dog. It's not just [6:13] emotional. It's not just intellectual. [6:15] You know, when people just want to train [6:17] the dog, what you train is the mind. [6:19] What you connect is the spirit, the [6:21] instinct, and the heart. That's what you [6:23] connect. And that's why I say trust, [6:25] respect, love. Trust the spirit. Respect [6:28] instinct. Love with the heart. Create [6:30] with your mind. For many people, [6:32] especially in the United States, they're [6:35] not familiar with [6:39] feeling energy and exchanging energy [6:42] with a dog. [6:44] >> Right? [6:45] >> I'll give an example of when Costello, [6:47] my previous bulldog, some probably [6:48] bulldog Mastiff, who knows what he was, [6:50] but whatever he was, he was Costello. [6:53] >> But I learned something very important [6:54] from you. before he's costello. He's an [6:57] animal. [6:58] >> That's right. [6:58] >> Spirit. Ah, spirit, animal, specy, [7:02] >> breed, name. You see? So, the last thing [7:05] they are is the breed in the name. [7:07] >> So, when I rehabilitate a dog, what I'm [7:10] doing is bringing back the happy spirit, [7:12] bringing back the healthy instinct and [7:14] bringing back the rules by those [7:16] limitations mind because that's what [7:18] makes them well behaved when they [7:19] understand rules by those limitations. [7:20] No matter what breed they are. So it [7:22] really doesn't matter if you have a [7:23] pitbull or rod white or German shepherd [7:25] or I'm Mexican and you're white and [7:27] African-American. It really doesn't [7:29] matter the race of the human. What [7:30] matter is is that person has a happy [7:32] spirit, a healthy instinct and a well [7:35] educated mind, right? So you want to be [7:37] a good human, right? And you want to be [7:40] part of the pack of the good humans. And [7:42] those humans are good, [7:44] >> right? Those are those are the humans [7:45] that help other humans or or or they [7:48] create uh well behaved dogs because [7:51] they're following in that path. [7:54] >> You know, there is some people are born [7:55] to the I mean I'm I was I'm part of the [7:58] pack where better humans better planet [8:01] >> but I know a lot of people who are not [8:04] part of that path. So it's that [8:06] >> yeah certainly uh raising and and living [8:09] with Costello taught me a lot about how [8:12] to sense people's energy. I had an [8:14] amazing experience with him that I just [8:15] want to share briefly that I realized [8:18] now is probably the spirit component [8:22] >> but it was something that I tried on the [8:24] base of what I read in your book. [8:26] >> So I was walking him and sometimes he [8:29] didn't want to walk in a particular [8:30] direction you know so he was always [8:31] walked to my side or a little bit behind [8:33] me. I had that going from very early [8:35] point. I practice no look, no touch, no [8:37] speak in the first um, you know, minutes [8:39] of contact or coming home. And we can [8:41] talk about why that's important. [8:42] >> But at one point, I decided based on [8:44] what you put in your book to try [8:46] something that seemed kind of wacky to [8:47] me [8:48] >> at the time [8:49] >> where I was just going to [8:51] >> at some point during the walk, it was a [8:52] we had a great stride. We're having a [8:54] good time. He's smelling things, but [8:56] we're moving on. And [8:57] >> and I decide to just send him like [9:00] approval energy. Like I'm just going to [9:02] think it and then I and then feel it. [9:04] I'm just going to send him some energy. [9:06] And we're just walking. I'm just doing [9:08] this. I did not change where I was [9:09] looking. I did not change, as far as I [9:11] know, like the tension on the leash. Who [9:13] knows? [9:14] >> And he just looks right up at me. And I [9:17] was like, "This is incredible." [9:19] >> After a really good day of hiking or at [9:21] work, he used to come to the lab with me [9:23] or something. We were sitting or I was [9:25] cooking or something. Every once in a [9:26] while, I would just while I'm doing [9:27] something else, I would just send him [9:30] like this positive energy. [9:31] >> Yeah. [9:32] >> And he would look over at me. It was it [9:34] was wild. Yeah. And I realized he's [9:36] sensing things that are beyond my words. [9:39] In fact, I don't know that he ever [9:40] really listened what I said terribly [9:41] much. [9:42] >> He could really feel what I was feeling. [9:45] >> He was probably paying attention a lot [9:46] more of the time than I was aware. [9:48] >> Mhm. [9:49] >> But I also had the experience of when he [9:52] was doing something I didn't like, I [9:54] could send him disapproval. [9:55] >> That's right. [9:56] >> And he would stop. [9:58] >> It was wild. we were, you know, meters [10:00] away from each other and I could send [10:02] him this energy. Now, to you, this is [10:04] probably like, yes, of course. But I [10:06] think for me, and I think for most [10:07] people that have dogs [10:09] >> or thinking about owning a a dog, you [10:11] think this is crazy, right? Yeah. [10:13] >> But I swear all my life that you I could [10:16] do this in a variety of circumstances [10:18] while driving anything. And he would [10:20] react according to the [10:22] >> the energy that I was sending. Yeah. [10:24] Out. As a neuroscientist, I can make up [10:26] some story. Okay. what we have fish have [10:28] electric sensing field. I can make up a [10:30] story in neurology, neuroscience that [10:32] would more or less hold together, but I [10:33] want to know your impression of like [10:35] what is this and and then hopefully that [10:38] will take us into a discussion more [10:39] about energy exchange between all sorts [10:41] of beings. [10:42] >> Well, you know, silence is very [10:44] powerful, right? Uh um the the power of [10:48] prayer. Uh my mom certainly is always [10:51] connected. uh you know when I crossed [10:53] the border I failed my mom you know I [10:56] jumped the border and so jumping the [10:57] border is a life and death thing right [10:59] and then so you you you give yourself to [11:02] God and then of course you know your mom [11:04] is is always thinking about you so you [11:07] feel this energy uh that is done by the [11:09] by the prayer or by the silence you are [11:13] what you believe and so if you believe [11:15] you can connect and you communicate this [11:17] way cuz you uh you're going to be I mean [11:20] the fact that people are not aware of [11:22] energy. We can feel that that person [11:24] doesn't feel good and we're not we don't [11:25] even know each other, you know. So [11:28] imagine if we humans are sensitive to [11:30] that. All animals never stop this way of [11:32] being, right? The sensitivity of [11:35] animals, they they don't go into the [11:37] mind. They stay within the instinct [11:39] because that's how they stay safe, you [11:40] know, and and maintain the peace. And [11:43] so, uh, what you did was exactly that. [11:45] Don't talk. Don't talk with words. Talk [11:48] with energy, body language, and [11:50] intention. You know how how do you [11:52] become the best doctor in the world? [11:54] Because that's all you think about it. [11:56] >> That's all you think about it. You know, [11:58] even when you go to sleep, even when [12:00] you're nobody, you're not talking about [12:01] it. That's so you create the law of [12:03] attraction. You create the law of [12:04] creation. The most difficult law is the [12:07] law of maintenance, right? Because it's [12:09] easy to attract, it's easy to create. [12:11] What's hard is to maintain, [12:13] >> right? [12:14] >> And that's why patience is so important [12:16] or silence is so important. Yeah. [12:17] Because it's this one is is infinite. [12:20] It's an infinite energy. So if you feel [12:23] that imagine how powerful you become and [12:26] then just to be right here where you are [12:28] claiming your space [12:30] calm that gives you another power [12:33] because that gives the animals the [12:35] capability to trust. And then your [12:37] intention right what is it that you want [12:39] without words. I just don't want you to [12:40] pee over there. I just don't want you to [12:42] go after that dog. I just want you to [12:44] stop doing what you're doing. Cuz think [12:46] about when cats communicate with a dog. [12:50] It's a completely different species, but [12:52] can a cat control a dog the same way you [12:54] did? Same silence, calm, confident. So [12:57] that's that's that's why a cat can [12:59] control a Rodweller and a pitbull. [13:01] Right? When people feel, oh, it's a it's [13:04] a very dangerous breed. At the moment [13:06] you think something is dangerous, you [13:08] you give your power away, right? At the [13:11] moment you bring silence, calmness, [13:13] confidence, you regain your power back. [13:15] And that's the first line of [13:17] communication before sound. But most [13:19] people focus on I want to train my dog. [13:21] I want my dog to listen to commands. No, [13:23] no, no, no. You want your dog to listen [13:25] to your silence, to your calmness, to [13:27] what's in your mind without saying a [13:28] word. That's exactly it right there. [13:31] That was the the relationship with [13:34] Costello improved in order of magnitude [13:37] when I understood that that I could talk [13:39] to him all day or say whatever. [13:42] >> It had a very little potency [13:45] >> compared to how I would show up. And [13:46] then it also taught me a lot of course [13:49] about how to arrive home, [13:51] >> how to walk into a, you know, I bring [13:52] him to class. I taught, you know, 400 [13:54] per person class. He would walk in. It [13:56] was very interesting. everyone, you [13:57] know, oh, dog, dogs, most professors [13:59] wouldn't bring their dog to class [14:01] >> and he knew it was all there. Typical [14:04] Costello, you know, he would just kind [14:05] of walk to the front of the classroom. [14:07] >> He would wait a few minutes, not look at [14:08] anybody, and then he he would decide. He [14:10] just like glare at all. He could light [14:12] up a room. [14:13] >> But I understood that [14:15] >> I wouldn't let him be like the too much [14:17] of a celebrity or else he would start [14:19] misbehaving. I had to remind him like, [14:21] you know, we have a structure and an [14:22] order. That's correct. And I do think [14:24] that people would benefit so much from [14:27] getting in touch with this capacity that [14:28] they have to sense their own energy and [14:31] the energy of other people regardless of [14:33] if they have a dog. [14:34] >> Well, you know, Americans go to India to [14:37] be quiet, right? And then to uh to f to [14:40] practice not eating which they call [14:42] fasting, right? And then to stretch. [14:46] Practically it is silence, you know, [14:49] learn how to breathe [14:50] >> and then stretch gives you a little bit, [14:53] you know, agility into it and you learn [14:55] to control hunger which in a third [14:58] country that's what we learn, [15:00] >> right? We learn to control hunger. We [15:02] learn to be quiet. We learn to be calm. [15:05] We learn, you know, whatever we know, we [15:06] do really good at it. We become really [15:08] good farmers, really good animal people, [15:11] right? and uh family people, you know, [15:13] God people and and so we have a good [15:17] structure, good discipline and such a [15:19] basic simple stuff. And that's what [15:22] gives us the uh the upper hand of uh [15:25] walk a dog off leash. You know, when I [15:27] started walking dogs in America, I [15:28] didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs [15:30] off leash. I was walking 40 60 dogs at a [15:33] time, right? And I was doing it off [15:35] leash because that's all I knew. [15:38] >> You see it? And so that that uh that [15:41] energy of silence, calmness, confidence [15:44] is what now I now that I understand what [15:46] I did is what led me to this event, you [15:50] know, for people to see me from [15:52] Englewood to South Central. It's a [15:54] Mexican guy that walks a pack of dogs [15:56] from Englewood to South Central off [15:58] leash. That's when the LA Times came and [16:00] and did a piece of me because they [16:02] didn't they couldn't understand, you [16:04] know, this concept of walking a dog off [16:06] leash. this dog shaman or something [16:08] >> and a dog in the land of the free, [16:09] right? Because you know dogs in America [16:10] have rights, but that doesn't mean they [16:12] can walk off leash. [16:13] >> You see, the dog has to be on a leash [16:16] >> and humans have to learn uh to to [16:18] transmit that energy through the leash [16:20] because there's a lot of dogs that react [16:21] on the leash when the dog should be the [16:24] most well behaved, then a dog is off the [16:26] leash, you see. But the leash in the [16:29] animal world is trust, respect, love. [16:31] the the the leash in the animal world is [16:33] that human understanding, you know, [16:36] silence, calmness, confidence, love, [16:38] joy, and that's pack leader, direction, [16:40] protection, right? That's the only way [16:42] you can say I'm a pack leader, right? [16:45] Cuz you are that energy. [16:48] I'd like to take a quick break and [16:49] acknowledge one of our sponsors, [16:51] Element. Element is an electrolyte drink [16:53] that has everything you need and nothing [16:55] you don't. 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[19:29] I'm uh in a dilemma whether to go down [19:32] the uh the concepts of what is happening [19:37] in third world countries not just today [19:38] but always in terms of how people sense [19:41] energy and use energy versus what we do [19:43] here but I think I'm also keen on the [19:45] fact that many people listening don't [19:48] know how to walk their dog [19:49] >> I'll ask a very simple question first [19:52] >> should the dog always be next to you or [19:55] behind you uh is there ever an instance [19:57] where the dog should walk out in front [19:59] of you. And as I say this, we both [20:00] realize many people walk with their dog [20:02] in front of them. So, uh, could you tell [20:04] us about the concept of where the dog is [20:06] relative to [20:06] >> Well, think about it. Look at it this [20:08] way so people uh can can uh uh adopt the [20:11] the concept quicker because the if you [20:14] learn how to walk a dog, um it would [20:16] eliminate 90% of the problems. [20:19] >> The other 10% will be rules, bounds, [20:21] limitations, right? That's it. Um so [20:25] when a dog is a pup he follows his [20:27] parents right and then he plays then he [20:31] explore but the first activity he learns [20:33] is to follow follow play play explore so [20:36] play and explore becomes like a reward [20:38] activities that's the chuck cheese time [20:42] right right and and so the follow is the [20:44] one they learn you know the rules [20:46] boundaries limitations they learn to to [20:49] stay focused and not get distracted [20:51] >> so naturally Early dogs they need to [20:54] learn to follow. When they go in front [20:56] of you, they are in the mind of a play [20:59] or explorer. But at the same time, if [21:01] you do this every day, the dog learned [21:03] that you he has to lead you two places. [21:05] >> And is that stressful for the dog? [21:08] >> If a dog is middle of the pack and back [21:09] of the pack, yes. If a dog is front of [21:11] the pack, no. [21:13] >> You see it? And so very important. In [21:15] order for people to have a front of the [21:17] pack dog, they need a lot of knowledge. [21:19] >> And so most dogs are perfect. uh middles [21:23] or back. The back should be the easiest [21:25] one. But when people don't do the right [21:27] thing with the back, he becomes fearful. [21:29] Uh the middle of the pack should be the [21:31] one for the families because they're [21:32] naturally happy golucky. But if you do [21:35] too much excitement, they become hyper. [21:38] >> You see it? [21:39] >> And this is a crossbreeds. [21:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't matter if it's [21:42] a bulldog or a you know [21:44] >> litter is front of the pack, middle of [21:45] the pack, back of the pack. But it's [21:47] more back of the packs being born like [21:49] followers than it's only one per litter [21:52] a litter of the pack. So that's what [21:54] they call in the in the breeder world [21:56] pick of the litter. See it? So in a [21:59] litter of German shepherds only one it [22:01] can be a police officers. The other one [22:02] is pet quality or they call them the run [22:04] of the litter. Back of the pack [22:06] sensitive middle of the pack happy [22:08] golucky is the HR of the fam of the [22:10] pack. the middle of the pack, right? And [22:12] then the front of the pack is the one [22:13] that gives direction, protection, [22:15] >> ideally for a family or for a typical [22:18] domestic situation. I'm thinking United [22:20] States, but elsewhere because this is [22:21] going everywhere and uh this this [22:23] episode will go everywhere. Middle or [22:25] back of the pack. [22:26] >> Middle. [22:26] >> Yeah. A family who has never raised a [22:29] dog together. Yeah. Middle. [22:30] >> How can you assess the litter when you [22:32] see them so that you pick a middle of [22:34] the pack dog if that's what's [22:36] appropriate? Sounds like that's the [22:37] that's the goal. the front is going to [22:39] be very easy to uh to uh to assess [22:41] because he's going to be the biggest [22:42] one. He's going to be the one is moving [22:44] the sisters and the brothers away from [22:45] the mom, right? He's already going to [22:48] practice dominance. And then the middle [22:50] is is is is the second uh to get to the [22:53] mother and the back of the pack. They're [22:55] always wait. [22:56] You see, they're more shy naturally. [22:58] They're just sensitive. What if you [23:00] don't have access to the interaction [23:01] with the mother? Having gone to pick up [23:03] puppies a few times, sometimes you just [23:06] see the puppies, the mom's in another [23:07] room. Uh should you ask to watch the [23:09] interaction? And if you and if you [23:11] can't, uh how can you assess if you're [23:13] just looking? [23:13] >> No, normally if you're in a situation [23:15] the breeder knows because that's what [23:16] they put ribbons, you know, color [23:18] ribbons so they so they know, okay, this [23:20] is middle, this is their back. Even [23:22] though they don't call them that way, [23:23] they just call them round of the round [23:24] of the litter, you know, uh pet quality [23:27] front of the pack. And the front of the [23:28] pack is just the obvious one, [23:30] >> right? And so when um just go inside, [23:33] you know, where where where the puppies [23:34] are and there's no mother and nothing, [23:36] just stay quiet. And every time you [23:37] present something new, you're going to [23:39] see the more confident coming to and the [23:42] more happy golucky coming to and the [23:44] back of the pack, it doesn't get close, [23:47] anything new. It just can be a pillow. [23:48] And that's the first time they [23:50] experience a pillow. And the front of [23:51] the pack will go [23:53] >> and the middle of the pack will go and [23:55] play. It's hardwired. [23:56] >> There is a It's there. That's why you [23:58] can guarantee good behavior. Mhm. [24:01] >> Right. Because now you Okay, I want a [24:02] middle of the pack border collie. I want [24:04] a middle of the pack golden retriever. I [24:06] want a middle of the pack pitbull. You [24:08] can have it. You see, because that's [24:10] going to guarantee you exactly what you [24:12] want. It's going to be easier for you to [24:13] tell them what to do because he was born [24:15] naturally a follower [24:17] >> versus if you get a front of the pack, [24:18] whatever breed, Chihuahua, I don't care [24:21] what it is. They're born, you know, with [24:24] with the disposition of giving [24:26] direction, protection. So whoever human [24:29] wants to you live with them needs to [24:31] have more knowledge, [24:33] right? So that's me running a pack of [24:35] dogs and having different animals. The [24:36] animals know that I have a big energy. [24:39] They don't know I have 43 acres. They [24:40] just know I have a land and that you're [24:42] in charge of it. [24:43] >> Yeah. And all the ups and downs that I [24:45] went through and I have been the wars [24:47] that I go through, [24:48] >> right? The divorces and all of that [24:50] stuff. And I went through and and and [24:52] and I and I I'm I find my silence, my [24:54] calmness, my confidence, my love, my joy [24:56] right back. They know my energy is big. [25:00] Right. So So that I can have a front of [25:02] the pack. [25:04] >> But I don't have one. I have middles and [25:06] back. [25:07] >> Even you. [25:07] >> Even me. [25:08] >> Mhm. [25:08] >> Yeah. Because it will it will require so [25:10] much. I would need to find him a job. [25:14] >> You see what I'm saying? Like a like a [25:16] border patrol, something like that. [25:17] looking for for looking for the bad [25:19] guys. Like that would be a job. It's [25:21] just one officer and one dog. He doesn't [25:23] need the pack. Fascinating. I I'm sure [25:27] like many people listening, I'm trying [25:28] to figure out was Costello front of the [25:30] pack. I think he was um he's a enormous [25:33] dog. I mean uh even within his litter. [25:36] And um when I went to go pick Well, I [25:39] had met him as a 3-week old puppy. He [25:41] was the one butting all the other ones [25:43] out [25:43] >> eating from their food bowls. [25:45] >> He was [25:46] >> they clean. Yeah, he didn't yelp uh [25:48] didn't yap at all. He just ate [25:51] everything, right? Took everything, peed [25:53] where he wanted to, did everything. [25:55] >> So, there was a it was a difficult thing [25:56] raising him. This new one, Strummer, [25:58] who's 4 and 1/2 months, he's definitely [26:00] middle, maybe even back of the pack, but [26:03] he was second out when he was born, and [26:06] they said, "Oh, you know, he's going to [26:07] be the pick of the litter." They said [26:08] that, but definitely not. He, you know, [26:10] quickly it was clear that he kind of [26:12] kept a little bit distance. He is very [26:14] sensitive. [26:14] >> Okay, that's good. much sweeter. [26:16] >> Yeah. Sensitive. [26:17] >> Yeah. Much more playful. [26:19] >> And that's the part that I have to work [26:20] with because they enchant us, you know, [26:23] like I noticed with strummer, he can he [26:25] has figured out, you know, that if he [26:27] gets into play mode, it lights me up and [26:29] then I have to remember to stay in my [26:31] >> in my place, my proper place, because [26:34] I'm trying to teach him here, this is [26:35] the order of things. It's very important [26:37] because I want to bring be able to bring [26:38] him anywhere, leave him in a room alone [26:39] with little kids and trust completely [26:42] that he's not going to accidentally do [26:44] something. For people that want to learn [26:46] to sense their own energy, use their [26:49] energy field, [26:51] >> should they also be asking if they are [26:52] front, middle, or back of pack? [26:54] >> The human. Yeah. [26:54] >> Yeah. In the human world, this is [26:56] something it's a little bit of a [26:57] sensitive topic, right? Because every [26:58] guy wants to say, "Yeah, I'm an alpha, [27:00] not a B." Everyone thinks that way, I [27:02] like to think in different [27:03] circumstances, people can move up or [27:05] down the the the human hierarchy. I [27:08] mean, I work with a lot of scientists [27:09] and I can tell you in many environments [27:11] they they don't come across as alphas, [27:12] but you put them in a laboratory or a [27:14] lecture environment and I mean, they own [27:16] their space because that's their [27:17] expertise. So, it can move around. [27:20] >> But can you [27:23] explain what it is to observe oneself, [27:25] really think honestly about oneself and [27:28] where one really lies in this? Let's [27:32] let's call it what it is. It's a it's a [27:33] it's a hierarchy, but that makes it [27:35] sound like one is better. It just is [27:36] what it is. You're either front, middle, [27:38] or back of pack human. [27:39] >> That's the their special magic, right? [27:42] Being being back of the pack means they [27:44] master cal surrender. So we have to [27:47] learn to to master cal surrender. That's [27:49] our more sensitive state of mind. Right? [27:52] This so when I'm assessing and [27:53] evaluating a dog, I go into my calm [27:55] surrender state. So I go in the back of [27:57] the pack. [27:58] >> Right? When it's time for me to give [28:00] direction and protection, I go to the [28:01] front of the pack. when I achieve [28:03] whatever I need to achieve, I go into [28:05] the middle of the pack. [28:06] >> You see it? So, the human can can can uh [28:10] can take advantage of this position of [28:13] this of this state of mind, right? The [28:15] dog, the back of the pack dog is is [28:18] going to is going to tell you, listen, [28:20] I'm here to master calm, surrender. It [28:21] doesn't mean I don't do happy golucky, [28:24] >> but he can never do calm confident. [28:26] >> Back of pack can't do front of pack. [28:27] >> Never. Never. [28:28] >> And are we talking humans and dogs now? [28:30] if we're really transparent. [28:33] >> Well, it's just to have that fine line [28:35] between what the human can do, right? [28:38] Versus what the dog can't, right? So, [28:41] it's important to understand, you know, [28:42] that a dog is born with a position, [28:45] >> right? And the human can go from [28:46] whatever position he was born to [28:48] different positions, right? Because it's [28:51] a lot of, like you say, it's a lot of [28:52] scientist people uh who are who are very [28:54] brilliant on this side, but when it [28:56] comes to a dog, a dog takes over. [28:58] >> Oh, yeah. or even just at a coffee shop, [29:00] you know, they they sort of they they [29:02] become a smaller version of themselves. [29:03] Not because they're weak, it's just it's [29:05] not their domain of expertise and they [29:06] feel weak in that environment. [29:08] >> Correct. Or or they turn on one energy [29:10] more than the other one. [29:11] >> And so a lot of these people turn on [29:13] more the affection energy, [29:15] >> right? And a affection or love energy in [29:17] the animal world is not a strong energy. [29:19] >> Yeah. Tell me more about that because I [29:22] practiced on the your uh recommendation, [29:25] no look, no touch, no speak when I got [29:26] home. most difficult thing for people to [29:28] do. I think you know they get home and [29:30] the dog's like super happy to see them. [29:31] Tail is wagging. They're excited and I [29:33] I'm like I'm gonna ignore my dog. This [29:35] feels like abuse, right? You know, but [29:37] I'd come in, do my thing. It's And then [29:40] after some period of time, I be like, [29:42] hey, [29:43] >> and what I realized is [29:44] >> every time after that, I'd come home and [29:47] he was calm. [29:48] >> Yeah. [29:48] >> He was excited to see me, but he was [29:50] calm. Never jumping up and touching me. [29:52] Never jumping up and touching anyone [29:53] else. But if someone came over and they [29:55] were super excited, it almost would [29:56] confuse him. Like this is not how people [29:58] enter the space. Most people, I think, [30:01] have a very hard time not greeting their [30:03] dog with men and women squealing. [30:06] >> That's right. [30:08] >> It's great. And it makes the dogs [30:10] anxious. It causes problems in the [30:12] relationship. [30:13] >> Yeah. [30:13] >> Right. Absolutely. [30:14] >> But I think most people don't realize [30:15] that. [30:16] >> Well, that's exactly you said it. you [30:17] know, I I don't want to ignore my dog [30:19] and I I don't want to like tell my dog [30:21] that I don't love him, you know, cuz [30:23] then the interpretation the dog miss me. [30:25] But, you know, every time you leave an [30:26] animal behind walls, the the animal is [30:29] going to go excited or anxious, right? [30:32] So, not always what you're greeting is a [30:34] happy dog. Most of the time, what you're [30:35] greeting is an excited anxious dog that [30:37] is confused, [30:39] >> right? So it's very important you know [30:41] when when people sees dogs greet another [30:43] dog there is no excitement there is [30:46] respect [30:47] >> you know and and they wait until the the [30:49] the front of the pack allows them to [30:51] come in they can't just come in into [30:53] their intimate space so it's a ritual so [30:55] it's three rituals that are very [30:57] important for people to master with no [30:58] touch no talking no eye contact one is [31:00] the meeting every time you meet a dog [31:03] always remind them about safe peace nose [31:06] eyes ears trust respect first and Then [31:09] is the walk the dog right next to you [31:11] following you quiet and then when you [31:13] feed. So those three activities are very [31:16] meaningful to dogs but all starts with [31:19] the meeting with the greeting. So every [31:21] time you reunite you have to remind your [31:23] dog that you are source of safety and [31:25] peace of trust respect of nose eyes ear. [31:30] dissect nose, eyes, ears for us because [31:32] I think most people because we're humans [31:34] especially in US and you know in [31:37] Northern Europe or wherever like [31:38] >> England [31:40] it's speaking [31:42] >> yeah there people are just speaking [31:43] constantly like hi hi hi you know [31:46] >> this is not the best way for to [31:48] communicate with a dog who you are and [31:49] what you're about and what the the trust [31:51] relationship [31:52] >> well it creates excitement right it [31:54] creates a dog that learn to greet people [31:56] with excitement so if you greet your dog [31:58] with excitement you are the source [32:00] to other humans. So, he's going to greet [32:03] all the humans excited. He's going to [32:04] jump on people. Not everybody wants a [32:06] dog that doesn't belong to them to jump [32:08] on them. So, but because you know that [32:11] let's say you do that, h your dog has [32:13] learned to welcome humans excited. [32:17] >> You see it? So, when a dog is born, he [32:19] borns with the nose open. 15 days later, [32:22] they open the eyes. 21 days later, they [32:23] open the the ears. This is [32:25] scientifically, right? This is in all [32:26] the encyclopedias. So that means a dog [32:28] met his parents through the nose then [32:31] the eyes then the ears you see but when [32:34] people wants to do ears eyes nose [32:36] they're they want to create a human they [32:38] want the dog to uh understand the way [32:41] you and I understand heyra how you doing [32:45] but we can control that excitement right [32:47] at le some people can't right [32:50] >> but uh so it's a different ritual for us [32:53] you know we believe in parties we [32:54] believe in parades [32:56] for a horse to go to New York is a very [32:59] excited place. It takes conditioning [33:01] because no horse will ever volunteer [33:03] going to New York. See, it has to be [33:06] conditioned, [33:07] >> right? Cuz you're bringing him to a very [33:09] excited environment with his instincts [33:11] say flight. [33:12] >> Recently, there have been these [33:14] problems. Sorry to cut you. I don't know [33:15] if you saw a couple of the carriages in [33:18] um Central Park took off. Someone was [33:19] killed recently. There's a whole debate [33:21] going on now whether or not this is good [33:23] or bad for these horses. But it's just [33:25] clear regardless of where one sits on [33:27] the debate that you can't take the [33:28] instinct out of the animal. There are [33:29] triggers that will send them over an [33:31] edge. Oh, you have to make sure that you [33:33] you you know you you keep eye on on how [33:36] is the spirit of the horse is the [33:38] instinct of of the horse uh healthy, you [33:41] know, is the spirit happy, you know, cuz [33:43] when they just go into the habit of [33:45] working, working working, even a police [33:47] dog can crash. [33:48] >> Mhm. [33:48] >> You see what I mean? Even a even a [33:50] police can dog can bite a police officer [33:52] because they overworked. I have a few [33:55] friends from the special operations [33:56] community. They work with these dogs [33:58] that jump out of planes, parachute, dol [34:01] Yeah, the Malininois. And [34:03] >> several of those guys have told me that [34:05] with those dogs, you cannot ever let up [34:09] your guard as the leader. In fact, a few [34:13] guys who got a little soft with them [34:15] just a tiny bit. Like one uh anecdote [34:18] was they decided to invite the dog in to [34:20] watch a movie with them one night when [34:22] they're on deployment or maybe they were [34:23] training, I don't know. [34:25] >> And he let the dog get a little too [34:27] close to him during the movie. The next [34:29] day he got bit [34:30] >> and it's like they're constantly trying [34:32] to move up the move up the hierarchy. [34:34] He's like, "It sucks cuz you you you [34:36] fall in love with these animals, but you [34:37] have to constantly keep the relationship [34:39] in its proper place or they'll not turn [34:41] on you, but they'll try and take your [34:42] position." [34:43] >> They don't try. That's the thing with [34:44] animals. They don't try. They just do, [34:46] >> right? There is no knowledge behind [34:47] instinct. It's all reaction. So, at the [34:49] moment your energy goes down, bam. [34:51] >> Amazing. [34:51] >> At the moment, so they're they're keep a [34:54] eye on your energy, [34:56] >> you know, and uh but at the same time, [34:57] you know, uh this kind of dogs are [34:59] always in a high level of excitement. [35:01] >> They keep them that way. [35:02] >> Yeah. They're vigilant. [35:03] >> They're they're keep them like like [35:05] that. They don't know how to turn it [35:07] off. So to create a great home family [35:11] dog or even if somebody lives alone, [35:13] it's no look, no touch, no speak in the [35:15] first couple of minutes of contact. [35:17] >> Yeah. Until the dog becomes peaceful and [35:19] calm and open mind. So surrender means [35:21] the mind is open. [35:22] >> Mhm. [35:23] >> Right. So once the mind opens up, you [35:25] can teach whatever you want such as [35:26] waiting, such as being calm. [35:29] >> What if somebody has an anxious dog [35:31] right now? They haven't been doing this [35:32] and the dog is pawing at them and and [35:34] running around. Should the person just [35:36] stay completely in that calm space [35:39] moving about and ignoring them touching [35:41] them or should they be physically giving [35:43] like you know get off me type thing? [35:44] >> Well, this this also had to do with how [35:46] how much exercise physically exercise [35:48] the dog has received, [35:50] >> right? How long is his walk? Cuz most [35:53] people walk 20 30 minutes. That's not [35:55] enough and the dog end up in the house [35:56] for 20 23 and a half hours. [35:58] >> In my opinion, it's borders on abuse. [36:01] It's really [36:03] incredibly hard on an animal that has [36:05] the same people say I love my dog [36:07] >> and and and my first question is how [36:09] long do you walk them? [36:10] >> What is your recommendation? I realize [36:12] it varies by breed and by age. [36:14] >> Yeah. And by level of energy because [36:15] some are couch potatoes, low level [36:17] energy, some middle and some high, [36:18] right? And so it depends on the energy [36:20] of the dog. So not because a dog is a [36:22] back of the pack doesn't mean they don't [36:23] have high level energy. [36:25] >> Okay? Because the sled dogs there is a [36:27] lot of guys that go on the back. It's [36:29] only one in the front if you notice, [36:30] right? And even in the back of the pack [36:32] dogs because they create a pack from [36:34] middle back, right? And that's what they [36:36] stay in that mode. And and so even the [36:38] back of the pack, they have to have the [36:40] same level of stamina as the one in the [36:42] front. So now because it's a back of the [36:44] pack is couch potato, you know. So then [36:47] then you have to understand uh the [36:48] levels of energy that they're born with, [36:50] low, medium, high. Yeah. So a lot of [36:53] times people say, "Oh, bulldogs are [36:55] couch potatoes." No, you can have a [36:58] bulldog that is absolutely athletic. [37:00] Absolutely athletic and has the stamina [37:03] to go and you know obviously you have to [37:06] help them with the breeding part and cuz [37:08] they they just go into you know no [37:09] limits and so you have to help them you [37:12] know [37:13] >> strummer has a lot of energy [37:15] uh compared to Costello. Um, so two [37:20] minimum 30 minute walks per day as as [37:22] much as a couple hours twice a day [37:24] >> with a backpack on, right? Obviously the [37:26] dog is a little older because you know [37:27] the backpack adds that extra half hour [37:30] cuz now the dog is carrying something. [37:32] >> So a weighted backpack. [37:33] >> Yes. And how should one assess like [37:35] percentage of body weight of the dog? In [37:37] the beginning, you can just put a [37:38] backpack cuz they're psychologically, [37:39] you know, they don't want to wear [37:40] anything. You know, nothing that we put [37:42] on them, they want to wear it, [37:44] >> you know, a leash, a collar, a muzzle, a [37:46] boots, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. [37:48] So, psychologically that drains them, [37:50] right? Because they got to get used to [37:51] it. So, you you walk until the dog comes [37:54] surrender to it and then you take it off [37:56] and then the mind will become very [37:58] drained. Once the dog gets used to it [38:00] and then you start putting weight, you [38:01] can start with five pounds. Remember, [38:03] every time you add something, you [38:05] challenge the mind. [38:06] And the goal is simply for the mind to [38:08] surrender. [38:10] You see it? And and then the body the [38:12] body is going to become calm because [38:13] it's wasting energy. So your job [38:15] literally every day with a dog is to [38:17] empty the tank. [38:18] >> Empty the tank. You know cuz a tired dog [38:20] is never going to give you problems [38:22] ever. [38:22] >> True. [38:23] >> Ever. How? He doesn't have the energy to [38:25] give you problems. Right. And then on [38:27] top of that, you create rules by [38:29] limitations such as just put food right [38:30] here but you can't touch it. So the mind [38:32] has to be disciplined not to touch it. [38:34] Then the mind has to learn instead of [38:36] doing this to do this. And that requires [38:38] the self-discipline. [38:40] >> If you tell a dog don't touch it or [38:42] don't touch the human, don't touch the [38:44] food, don't touch the cat, they go into [38:47] a calm surrender state and they wait. [38:49] >> Yeah. The first thing that I taught [38:52] strummer um was to suppress action just [38:56] as a general theme. He learned it right [38:59] away um at 8 weeks. It took about a day, [39:02] maybe even half a day cuz I had learned [39:03] the hard way with Costello. He was much [39:05] more stubborn. [39:06] >> I could set food down. [39:07] >> Yep. [39:08] >> As a 8-week old puppy because we went [39:11] through the training process. He's not [39:13] touching it until he looks at me. [39:16] >> I can walk around the room. I can do [39:18] whatever I want. He's tracking. And then [39:20] when I say okay, then he's going to eat. [39:22] >> I will just mention there's a inhibition [39:24] from the forebrain down to the brain [39:26] regions that control impulses. And [39:28] that's what we call top down inhibition, [39:30] which is nerd neuroscience speak for [39:32] what you what you're describing [39:33] practically. And I feel like it carries [39:35] over to other circumstances more easily. [39:38] But I can put food in front of him now [39:41] and leave the room. I don't do this for [39:43] extended periods, but I come back, he's [39:46] not going to touch it. [39:46] >> Yep. [39:47] >> And then he he starts to eat. [39:49] >> Now, it's a little bit more difficult [39:50] with things that um like trying to teach [39:53] him to not uh be mouthy on. So, I have a [39:56] rule. No skin in dog's mouth. This is [39:59] just like it's all or none. Make it [40:01] simple cuz when it's really cute when [40:02] they're a puppy, those teeth are a [40:03] little sharp and then you can kind of [40:05] But I just have a it's a thick black [40:07] line, [40:07] >> right? [40:08] >> And my girlfriend knows this too. Like [40:10] she's like, "No, but he wants to play." [40:11] It's like no skin goes in his mouth. [40:14] Then he cuz that's a simple rule. [40:15] >> Yep. [40:16] >> And [40:17] >> if he does happens to, you know, go for [40:19] skin, I'll do the little Yelp thing. He [40:21] understands right away. So, if people [40:24] hear this, they're gonna be like, "This [40:26] is terrible, right? You're putting food [40:28] in front of him and he wants to eat and [40:30] you're not letting him." But could you [40:31] elaborate why this is so important to [40:33] the dog's happiness and well-being? [40:35] Because I believe it is, and I could see [40:37] that in Costello. I see it in Strummer. [40:39] There's a trust, there's a calmness, [40:41] there's an availability to go more [40:43] places, [40:45] >> but many people, they just like, "He's [40:47] hungry. She's hungry. They missed me." [40:49] you know, they didn't know what they [40:51] were doing [40:51] >> or they feel guilty because they didn't [40:53] walk the dog. [40:54] >> Guilt plays a big role in raising dogs. [40:57] >> Well, then let's stay on the walk for a [40:58] moment. What What is so critical about [41:00] the structured walk? I've been doing two [41:02] hours a day or so of structured walk [41:05] since he was little. And people say [41:06] that's too much for a puppy. [41:08] >> I I feel like he's been great with two [41:11] one-hour walks. It's because they forget [41:13] instincts, right? They forget instinct [41:16] that a dog is instinctually is going to [41:18] follow his parents to find food and [41:20] water, right? Yes. Uh they do it after [41:23] two months of age because otherwise they [41:24] will stay within the den, right? But [41:27] from from two to four, they follow, you [41:31] know, they follow and somebody's always [41:32] taking care of. You can see it in the [41:33] African wild dogs, there's always [41:35] somebody that supervises the litter, but [41:38] they allow them to follow, right? and [41:41] then they they they they go to a certain [41:43] stance because they're growing. But as [41:45] soon as the dog gets into six, eight [41:47] months of age, that guy wants to walk [41:49] more than 30 minutes, guaranteed. He [41:52] doesn't want to stay in one place too [41:53] long. So all these people with their [41:55] dogs home all day or some people say, [41:57] "Well, the dog has the yard, running [41:58] around the yard, it's not the same, [42:00] right? Uh being able to run around a [42:02] yard [42:02] >> with the yard, it becomes like the zoo, [42:04] right? Is an animal in the zoo with a [42:05] yard." But that's not natural. That's [42:09] just practical for the human, [42:11] >> right? And the human feels like, okay, I [42:13] have a backyard. That's where the dog [42:14] does exercise. But the dog is going in [42:16] circles. So exercise for a bird is going [42:20] for a fish. You know, a bird have to [42:22] fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog has [42:24] to walk. It's just the nature of each uh [42:27] specy, right? So the walk is the most [42:29] important activity in my eyes, right? [42:31] Look at the homeless people with their [42:33] dogs. Why? They can walk a dog off [42:34] leash. You were the first person I ever [42:36] heard say that homeless people are the [42:38] best dog owners. [42:39] >> And the humans who are blind, the human [42:40] who are blind dog is right next to them. [42:42] Homeless people dog in the back, right? [42:45] So what are they doing, right? Well, the [42:47] dog is following them, right? They're in [42:49] a follower state. Uh and so the dog the [42:53] the dog that lives with the blind is is [42:55] not allowed to get distracted because [42:57] his purpose is to guide the the blind. [42:59] And the dog that lives with the [43:00] homeless, he's not allowed to go in [43:02] front. Consciously or unconsciously, the [43:04] dog stays in the back. Nine out of 10 [43:06] homeless people have a pitbull and the [43:08] dog is well behaved, off leash, [43:11] >> right? [43:11] >> I see a lot of them in my neighborhood. [43:13] This is Los Angeles. Incredible. [43:14] >> Incredible. Right. But in Mexico, every [43:16] single dog in a third country, every [43:18] single dog is off leash. So that's uh in [43:21] America the American dream for a lot of [43:23] people is is to have a dog walk off [43:25] leash because people pay a trainer to [43:28] train their dog to be off leash with [43:30] this is the nature of a you see it does [43:33] doesn't make any sense you know once you [43:34] hear it is you just have to uh help them [43:38] by practicing the ritual of no touch no [43:40] talk no eye contact let the dog be calm [43:42] surrender in front of you make sure [43:44] during the walk he's also in the same [43:45] state of mind and before you feed him do [43:47] this for at least three weeks Right? So [43:50] you get into this habit, [43:52] >> right, that when you greet, when you [43:54] walk, and when you feed. So then this [43:57] dog is going to have this beautiful [43:58] silence, calm, surrender. And this is [44:01] the dog you bring into dog parks or dog [44:03] beaches. 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I mean, it's [47:04] reflexive for you now, of course. um [47:06] this is your domain. Uh but they're [47:09] going to be like this, but they don't [47:10] want to walk first thing in the morning. [47:11] I want to cuddle with my dog first thing [47:13] in the morning. I mean, [47:15] >> my household now, I had to be really [47:16] clear like there if we don't follow [47:19] this, we're damaging the opportunities [47:22] for Strummer. We're we're actually [47:23] hurting his psychological well-being. [47:25] Yeah. And the only hard part uh with him [47:28] is he doesn't necessarily like to wake [47:29] up early, but sometimes have to walk him [47:32] early. So, it takes a little bit of [47:33] extra encouragement. The day always [47:35] starts with a walk, [47:38] >> then discipline training [47:39] >> and then food and then some affection, [47:44] but it's not hours of like cuddling on [47:46] the couch, right? It's like a, you know, [47:47] I mean, I love him. I would love to pick [47:49] him up and and treat him like a little [47:51] baby much more often than I do, right? [47:54] >> Uh, but I just see the incredible [47:56] results that come from this exercise, [47:59] discipline, and then affection, [48:00] >> which is living a natural life as love, [48:02] right? is we we want them to live as [48:05] natural as possible [48:07] >> and uh and and so that's love in in my [48:10] eyes like exercise discipline. [48:11] Discipline is not punishment cuz that's [48:13] a word that in the animal the dog people [48:16] when they hear the word discipline on [48:18] the dog they put it as punishment. [48:19] >> Yeah. They're think teacher hitting [48:21] them. [48:21] >> Yeah. Like you're punishing the dog and [48:24] no you're just making sure the dog [48:25] follows the rules by limitations. you [48:27] the dog follows a structure you know and [48:29] that's what we call discipline right and [48:31] and and that's how we achieve becoming [48:33] well behaved or achieving success [48:36] because we have to be disciplined [48:38] >> right and so a lot of times uh what I [48:40] what I end up helping people is [48:42] understanding the word so so the block [48:45] doesn't block the word doesn't block [48:47] them from doing the right thing [48:49] >> right which is your job as a as a as a [48:51] pet parent because now the title pet [48:53] parent right is is direction protection [48:56] than love. [48:58] >> Yeah. But most dog people want to do [49:00] affection, affection, affection. And [49:02] when it should be exercise, discipline, [49:04] affection, body, mind, heart. [49:06] >> I think the the walking part is so key [49:09] obviously. And I I'll just say it. Um [49:12] you tell me if you agree or disagree if [49:14] you want, but um I think most people are [49:17] just lazy. They don't want to walk. And [49:19] if they walk, they don't want to do it [49:20] without talking on their phone or [49:22] looking at their phone. And the dog can [49:23] sense if your energy is on the walk or [49:25] the energy is someplace else. [49:26] >> Well, you connected or you disconnected, [49:28] >> but you're in a flexi leash with a [49:30] harness on and you're in the phone. [49:31] Which are the worst. [49:33] >> Yeah. [49:34] >> Yeah. [49:34] >> Yeah. So, so it's it's it's the moment [49:36] where you are connected to mother nature [49:38] and through the dog, right? And people [49:40] now, you know, they see God is dog [49:42] backwards. All right. So, you're [49:43] connected to spirit and you're connected [49:44] to earth, but you can't be connected to [49:46] technology. And the phone is the same [49:48] thing is the phone is for connection, [49:50] communication, relationship. So does the [49:52] dog. Connection, communication, [49:54] relationship to God, to earth, to you. [49:57] And so then you create that triangle and [49:59] then the dog is inside that bubble, you [50:02] know. Oh, this human is really [50:03] respecting God. This human is really [50:06] respecting Earth. This really, this [50:07] human is really respecting the moment. [50:09] So you create this vibe, right? And the [50:12] dog is in a follower state. So he's [50:14] going to imitate the energy that you're [50:16] in, right? And and so what is prayer? an [50:19] imitation of everybody doing the same [50:21] energy. [50:23] >> I find it so fascinating that your [50:26] relationship to dogs uh has opened up [50:30] this understanding of human behavior but [50:33] not just how we behave but how we relate [50:36] >> to the the entire world like the [50:38] energetics keeps coming up in our [50:40] discussion. I feel I have other [50:41] practical questions but I want to touch [50:43] on something that you mentioned before [50:44] we started recording which is that in a [50:47] third world country [50:49] >> people are aware of death very early on [50:53] >> and so the connection to the spiritual [50:55] >> comes first and all the rest follows the [50:59] complete inversion of somebody like me [51:01] who was born in Northern California it's [51:03] like Silicon Valley they can call it [51:05] that then and you learn everything [51:06] through the the logical structures and [51:09] you know science science and my dad's a [51:11] scientist and but and even if one loves [51:13] poetry and music and things like that [51:15] which I do [51:16] >> the order is through the the sort of [51:19] like bricks on the ground first and but [51:20] there's no concept of death actually [51:23] until your grandparent dies or animal [51:25] dies or something. Tell me about this [51:27] relationship to death and how it [51:29] structures the the psyche and the energy [51:31] of people in third world countries [51:33] because it it's a direct outgrowth of [51:35] everything we're talking about because I [51:37] think it's going to be extremely useful [51:38] to people in regardless of where they [51:41] live in the world. [51:41] >> I think that's the first step, you know, [51:43] to learn not to be afraid of death, [51:46] right? That's the first step because [51:47] that's in in America, they don't want [51:50] nothing to die, but it's it's just what [51:53] it is, right? Bird life and death. So [51:55] it's just that's when in the Mexican [51:57] culture we have the muertos the day of [51:59] the death. So we learn to uh to be okay [52:02] with it. We learn to accept it because [52:04] you know in Mexico uh or to country [52:08] death is everywhere. You can see it [52:11] everywhere. You know I'm from the north [52:13] of Mexico and you see people with the [52:16] chop heads and hang up and you know you [52:19] go to school and people are is dead. So [52:22] what do you what do you end up doing in [52:24] that in this moment? Well, you end up [52:26] believing that God will protect you. [52:27] That's your spirituality, right? And [52:30] just like what I don't want a person to [52:32] break into my house, you get a dog, [52:34] right? And so that the mother nature to [52:36] protect you. So for us when when we grow [52:40] up that way, seeing death everywhere, we [52:42] learn to surrender to this higher power, [52:45] right? And we are what you believe, you [52:47] know? So it's it's is it's really good [52:50] you know in in our experience to to be [52:54] able to surrender to that but at the [52:55] same time we also surrender that [52:57] somebody's going to give us direction [52:59] protection love the same thing he's the [53:00] pack leader right and we just surrender [53:03] to that right and as well we surrender [53:05] to earth giving us food and taking care [53:07] of earth because it's a it's a it's a [53:10] combination of spirituality and [53:11] instincts in a third world country so [53:13] it's almost like people in third world [53:15] countries [53:17] place sort of they see the reality of [53:20] death early and they place themselves in [53:23] a a sort of hierarchy. They look upward [53:25] often times, not always, but often times [53:27] these are religious people, right? Um my [53:30] father's from Argentina and is a [53:32] Catholic country and [53:34] >> Latinos for for [53:36] >> by design we we are uh taught to uh [53:40] spirit first [53:41] >> and then second is mother nature, [53:44] >> right? Yeah. is number you know now [53:46] that's the like it's like an order and [53:48] then you have to go to work [53:50] >> right so job is number three [53:52] >> and then you have to love the family and [53:54] then love is at the at the end right but [53:56] it's God first earth second which and [53:59] then it's family or work well here in [54:01] the United States it's we're raised very [54:04] differently first [54:05] >> and it's also this idea that stuff is [54:09] the portal to [54:11] >> happiness right [54:12] >> having Lay's phone having access All [54:15] yeah, a lot of shoes. Shoes, bags. [54:17] >> I grew up with one pair of shoes, [54:20] you know, one pair of shoes and so we [54:22] grew up with very well nothing but then [54:24] so what how do we stay happy, right? How [54:27] do we stay happy? So it becomes like a [54:29] belief system, right? And so that belief [54:32] system it has helped a lot of people [54:34] that I know that are to stay happy. It's [54:36] just a happy people with nothing which [54:39] is the key, right? You first have to be [54:41] learn to be happy, healthy, loving, [54:43] smart with nothing. Then when you have [54:45] something and then you're already happy, [54:47] healthy, loving, smart, right? It just [54:50] adds into your accomplishments. But [54:53] animals don't understand money, fame, [54:55] power. Animals understand natural, [54:56] simple, profound. So that's the part [54:59] that I grew up in. [55:00] >> Natural, simple, profound. Natural is [55:02] your instinct. Simple as to love. [55:04] Profound is your spirit. Natural, [55:06] simple, profound. So even if you're not [55:08] smart, right, you can still be natural, [55:10] simple, profound and have an amazing [55:12] relationship with animals. Incredible, [55:15] right? Even if you're not, you don't [55:16] know how to read, you don't know how to, [55:17] right? You don't know where Europe is, [55:20] but you can still have an amazing [55:21] relationship with God and with mother [55:24] nature and with your family, [55:26] right? And therefore, if you're good to [55:28] those three, you're good to you. I used [55:30] to joke because I'd bring Costello to my [55:32] lab with me, a lab of about 15 people. [55:35] I'd walk in with him and and he'd go [55:37] around and he he liked walking into the [55:38] lab. He'd see all the students and [55:40] people working. He used to bring his toy [55:41] around to each of them sitting at their [55:43] desk to try and get them to play. You [55:44] know, he he was part of the lab and and [55:47] people really uh I like to think they [55:48] loved him. They told me anyway that [55:50] >> but I used to look at him sometimes I [55:52] think [55:53] >> he doesn't care that I'm the professor. [55:55] >> He doesn't care. That's the best part [55:56] about this relationship. He doesn't [55:58] care. He doesn't care even if we go home [56:00] at night. Sometimes I would sleep in the [56:02] lab back then. He doesn't care. He just [56:04] wants us to be together. He wants his [56:06] walks. He likes to be on things. And I [56:08] just realized he just kind of wants to [56:10] be around [56:12] >> the joy of a family, a laboratory. He [56:15] just wants to be part of this. And it [56:17] really helped me to just remove the the [56:20] >> the concept that he even knew what roles [56:22] were or jobs were. It was just this [56:24] place we went. I think dogs are a [56:26] wonderful way to look at the world [56:27] differently and realize [56:29] >> both how different we are as a species [56:31] but also all these things that we've [56:33] created like these are just human [56:35] creations and they're important jobs are [56:37] important obviously but but to not [56:39] project that onto him but also is very [56:43] useful to not project that onto [56:45] >> people in the world I'm not going to [56:47] point at any specific colleagues but I [56:49] knew people who were very who are very [56:51] prominent in their field and the way [56:53] they go into the [56:54] was almost like disappointed because [56:56] people weren't feeding them the [56:57] adoration that they felt they deserved. [56:59] But no one cares, right? Because they're [57:01] in their own experience. And I just [57:03] mentioned this because again, your book [57:05] and and these teachings of that that [57:07] we've been talking about uh today, they [57:10] they taught me a lot about like human [57:13] energetics. We're not dogs, so we can't [57:15] just transfer that in. But it it taught [57:17] me that like most of the time when we [57:19] think we're operating from a place of [57:20] like knowledge and roles and all this [57:23] stuff, there's something that's been [57:24] constructed by humans like a uniform to [57:27] show this person's in charge. They have [57:29] all the stuff that reveals their [57:30] accomplishments, the degrees on the [57:32] wall. You take that stuff away [57:35] >> and it's a very different kind of [57:38] interaction. Like who's this person? [57:40] Like what are they about? Like what [57:41] moves them forward or back? Are they a [57:43] good person or a bad person? Are they [57:46] scared? And it I think it's very helpful [57:49] if people learn to tap into this a [57:51] little bit. [57:51] >> You know, when I go to people's home, uh [57:53] the human tells you the story and the [57:55] dog tells you the truth. [57:56] >> Mhm. [57:57] >> Just by you looking at them. [57:59] >> That's it. The dog immediately tells [58:00] this is the energy we feel. This is the [58:02] philosophy we practice and this is the [58:04] actions we do immediately. The dog [58:06] always he's the most honest member of [58:08] your house. They don't know how to lie. [58:12] See it? They don't know. they don't know [58:13] how to uh to to do what we humans do. [58:17] They don't just just just don't right. [58:19] So it's I listen to the human because I [58:21] I need to understand okay where is this [58:23] human stuck right and then through that [58:25] conversation I go okay what about it if [58:27] we think of don't think of spirit think [58:29] about silence you like silence okay [58:31] silence is part of the spiritual world [58:33] and what about calmness uh calmness I [58:36] think I'm calm okay let's breathe and [58:38] then I I change the uh the instinctual [58:40] world just by just breathing right and [58:43] then I start giving the information so [58:44] the intellectual world is more simple [58:47] you know it's more clear with nose, [58:49] eyes, ears, rules by limitations. I'm [58:52] just giving this simple information, [58:54] right? So your mind knows how to [58:55] execute, [58:57] >> right? Uh and then when do I love hold [58:59] on just just wait [59:01] and and then when the dog goes [59:04] now that's when you love because I want [59:07] to teach people to love silence, to love [59:09] calmness, to love an open mind [59:11] >> because people have learned to love an [59:12] excited dog, anxious dog, a dog that [59:15] that was a victim, right? I said if you [59:17] rescue a dog and then the dog was in a [59:19] bad situation that person goes and [59:21] rescue dog because he feels bad and then [59:24] that same person start telling everybody [59:25] in the family what happened to that dog. [59:27] So now the whole entire family feels bad [59:29] for the dog. So when they describe the [59:31] dog they describe the past. So they [59:34] learn to love the past because they feel [59:36] sorry for this dog. So the dog now is [59:38] fearful controlling the house you know [59:40] has doesn't listen to the humans. At the [59:43] moment I grab the same dog and I bring [59:45] him to the ranch and I give them [59:46] silence, calmness and be part of the [59:48] pack. That dog changes. They live in the [59:50] moment. So really what happened to the [59:52] past to a dog a month ago, a year ago is [59:55] irrelevant. It's irrelevant. What's [59:57] relevant is how do you treat him now, [60:00] right? And the only thing they need to [60:01] to become good is is safe peace [60:04] environment. a trust respect human with [60:07] exercise discipline or or exercise [60:10] mental stimulation activities. Then the [60:13] love comes at the end. Safe, peace, [60:15] love, trust, respect, love, exercise, [60:17] discipline, affection. See, love is [60:20] number three is a reward, [60:22] right? It's a reward. How do you stay [60:25] happy? Well, and then you are grateful. [60:27] How do you stay healthy? You learn how [60:28] to breathe and do exercise. How do you [60:30] stay smart? Well, you learn, you [60:32] achieve, and you give it away. or you [60:33] learn to turn your mind off and then so [60:36] when do I practice love? Well, practice [60:38] love once you master your spirit, your [60:40] instinct and your mind. Then love that [60:42] thing about you, right? Love do love [60:45] those three things about you. Your [60:47] silence, your faith, your calmness, your [60:50] trust to you, and then your confidence, [60:52] your mind. Love that. [60:55] Can dogs smell stress? Yeah, feel [60:58] stress. It smells. But remember it's is [61:01] the feeling of the energy that you have [61:02] inside your electricity right you're [61:05] you're not functioning normal then that [61:08] same energy is going to create a [61:10] chemistry right then you're going to [61:12] sweat and I mean it's just going to go [61:14] into the nose eyes ears but it's first [61:17] is without the nose eyes ears just the [61:19] animal in them is going to sense when an [61:22] earthquake is about to come they sense [61:24] it way before it it it trembles you see [61:27] it so that energy of mother nature is [61:29] shifting at a such a high low level of [61:32] sensitivity, then then we see then we [61:35] hear things. [61:36] >> Humans are so obsessed with dog quote [61:38] unquote intelligence that looks like our [61:40] intelligence. Like if I see another [61:42] video of like how many words a dog can [61:44] learn or, you know, dogs doing tricks or [61:46] walking on their hind legs. None of that [61:49] impresses me. I also like sephopods [61:51] octopuses. I have a couple of them [61:53] actually and I'm fascinated by them and [61:56] people think they're extremely [61:58] intelligent and they maybe but I'm [62:00] interested in their intelligence. You [62:02] can find a video of a guy who taught an [62:04] octopus to play a piano. But if you look [62:07] at the training process, [62:09] >> it was just shaping, right? Reward this [62:12] and reward that. That video, I'll go on [62:14] record saying totally unimpressive to [62:16] me. It tells you far more about the [62:19] trainer's willingness to painstakingly [62:22] shape an animal than it does about [62:24] octopuses at all. Like it I mean I'm not [62:26] saying a an ant or a plant could have [62:28] learned to play the piano, but what he [62:31] did could be done with a horse if it [62:33] just had big keys. So it's there's [62:35] nothing interesting about this. But [62:37] humans, we seem obsessed with [62:39] transferring our [62:41] >> let's keep it to first world because [62:42] that seems aligned here. our first world [62:45] understanding of what intelligence and [62:46] knowledge is and skill is [62:49] and putting that onto other species. [62:52] >> And it it's crazy. It's crazy. It [62:55] doesn't reveal anything except our own [62:57] short-sightedness and and stubbornness [62:59] about being unwilling to think about [63:00] these other ways of communication and [63:02] moving through the world. [63:03] >> Well, is that that self-oriented first [63:06] versus pack oriented? You know, what is [63:07] what the pack needs versus what is what [63:09] you want, right? So that that is more [63:12] like where where when the human just [63:14] wants a a baby for example and they get [63:16] a dog. Humanizing a dog is a is it good [63:19] for the dog? No. Right. It's not good. [63:22] It's good for the human, you know. It's [63:24] good for the human fantasy and and uh [63:27] fulfillment [63:29] uh emotional fulfillment or whatever [63:30] thing they have in their mind. But is it [63:32] is it good for the dog to be a human? [63:34] Why would he wants to be a human? Why [63:35] they're not try trying to do the same [63:37] thing with a cat? Because what they say [63:39] is he's a cat. So you can't humanize a [63:42] cat. You see what I'm saying? So the cat [63:44] sends the human hell, right? Yeah. [63:47] Because a cat only comes whenever he [63:49] wants to come. So you can't influence [63:50] anybody who doesn't want to be with you. [63:53] Yeah. Right. The dog, you have to teach [63:55] him to live without you, [63:58] right? He has to learn to keep you [63:59] distant because he's a pack oriented. So [64:01] you you can influence a dog much quicker [64:04] than you influence a cat, [64:06] >> right? You can't influence anybody who [64:07] doesn't want to follow you. How do you [64:09] feel about cats? I love cats. I love all [64:11] animals, you know. I was going to invite [64:12] you to the ranch because we have all the [64:14] species and we can assess and evaluate [64:15] your dog better, right, with the [64:17] chickens and the dogs and the different [64:18] species. So so we can see the prey [64:20] drive, you know, and you can you you you [64:24] are going to be able to see, do you have [64:26] a dog with prey drive and how do we [64:28] block it, right? Or you have a dog with [64:30] play drive and you just leave it open. [64:33] Oh, [64:33] >> I'd love to bring Strummer out there. [64:34] It's a good place because your dog gets [64:36] to interact not just with dogs but with [64:39] other species that trigger that prey [64:42] drive. Very very important because what [64:44] makes your dog social is that he learns [64:46] to accept others. See I don't want a dog [64:48] that that that has a a protective drive [64:52] or I I'm not interested in that. Right. [64:54] I just want a dog that accepts [64:55] everybody. Yeah. And that's a dog that [64:57] is going to give you zero lawsuits, zero [65:00] liability, right? Because he accepts [65:02] everybody. [65:03] >> Oh yeah. I know people in California in [65:05] particular whose dogs um charged other [65:07] people lawsuits like it even if they [65:09] didn't bite it's that's a whole thing [65:11] >> and it can be a lot of it can be a dog [65:13] that was not meant for protection but [65:15] because he doesn't have rules by [65:17] limitations he doesn't walk and you know [65:19] every day the dog is bored confused or [65:21] frustrated and then he releases that [65:23] because he's a predator dog by nature is [65:25] a predator they're going to move forward [65:26] to release energy you see it so but you [65:30] want them to move forward with the right [65:32] state of fine, right? Or when you tell [65:35] the dog to move forward, right? That's [65:37] that's just discipline. But people don't [65:40] don't have that kind of understanding [65:42] and the dog end up doing whatever they [65:44] want. So the dog end up, you know, [65:46] putting people in a lawsuit, which [65:47] another another uh place where the dog [65:51] doesn't know, you get in zoo about it, [65:53] you know. So he's not gonna, oh my god, [65:55] we're gonna we're gonna lose money, you [65:56] know. So dog is not going to understand [65:58] that concept. [65:59] >> Yeah. We as humans we we project so much [66:02] onto other species, other people. And in [66:05] the backdrop of everything we're talking [66:06] about, I'm I'm hoping that people are [66:09] seeing the ways in which they can show [66:11] up in circumstances with more calmness, [66:14] >> especially if it's not reflexive. You [66:16] know, before every episode, I I pray I [66:20] do I I ask for certain things. I try and [66:22] open up certain things so that um I [66:25] realize not all of this is under our [66:27] control. That's my belief. and to try [66:29] and invite certain things in. So, it's [66:30] not reflexive. I do it as a you call it [66:33] a a discipline. I'm happy to do it, but [66:36] um I think people assume [66:39] that you're either calm or you're an [66:40] anxious person. People assume that their [66:43] dog is either calm or anxious. This is a [66:46] terrible misconception. I think we we [66:49] can become calmer regardless of where we [66:50] are in our natural levels of anxiety. [66:52] Our animals do not will never choose an [66:55] anxiety or be or live anxious life. [66:58] We're the only species that follow [66:59] unstable leaders, right? So to be the [67:02] pack leader in in the animal world, you [67:04] have to be the most patient, the most [67:06] calm, the most confident, the most [67:08] loving, the more joyful. Everything has [67:09] to be at 100%. Then you can be a pack [67:12] leader, [67:13] >> right? And your job is to resolve [67:14] problems, right? That's practically it. [67:17] The least thing you can do is to bring [67:19] problems. Anxiety, fear, insecurities, [67:22] all of that stuff is is something that [67:24] you bring back home. You don't want [67:26] that. [67:27] >> So before people hit the door coming [67:28] home, they should do a a check-in with [67:31] >> you do a little prayer, too. God, just [67:34] let me be silence, calm, confident, [67:36] love, and joy to my dog. That's it. I [67:39] might I want to practice no touching, no [67:41] dog, no eye contact, and just help my [67:43] dog to calm down. And then I'm going to [67:44] give him affection. I'm not saying that [67:45] to give affection. I'm just saying give [67:47] affection to patience and calmness and [67:50] open mind, right? Because when you when [67:52] your dog misbehave, you want him to go [67:54] back there. Go back to your good state [67:57] of mind, right? You don't want the dog [67:59] to do fight, flight, avoidance. Those [68:01] are the bad state of mind. The good [68:04] state of mind is patience come surrender [68:06] or happy golucky. Those are good state [68:08] of mind. I think uh here I'm projecting [68:11] a lot and assuming a lot, but I think a [68:13] lot of people [68:14] >> deep down I think they probably like [68:17] that their dog is so quote unquote happy [68:19] to see them at the end of the day [68:21] >> because I think many people feel devoid [68:23] of real love and connection and the idea [68:25] that they're fur baby. I really don't [68:27] like this term. They're not babies. Yes, [68:30] they have fur, but like I think out of [68:33] respect for animals, we have to remember [68:35] that they're animals first. I when I [68:37] heard first heard you say like their you [68:38] know their spirit animal you know uh [68:42] species and then breed and then [68:45] >> the name it was so helpful for me [68:47] >> because um I don't want to get into it [68:49] here because it's not directly relevant [68:51] but in science I've worked uh with [68:53] humans worked with animals and I you [68:56] know I stopped working with animals [68:57] because it was really hard on my soul. [68:59] Yeah, [68:59] >> I understand biomed [69:02] is a whole other discussion, but even [69:04] just the way that people would start to [69:05] talk about animals, like we work on [69:07] them, not with them. And this is a [69:10] complicated issue we could get into [69:11] sometime, but I started to realize like [69:13] we start using words to either [69:16] dehumanize or humanize animals and both [69:20] are terrible. [69:21] >> Both. [69:21] >> So when I heard you give this [69:23] description of, you know, spirit, [69:24] animal, etc. I was like, he's saying [69:27] don't humanize [69:29] >> these animals because it makes them feel [69:30] unsafe. [69:31] >> Yeah. [69:32] >> And or confused [69:33] >> or confused. Yeah. And years later, I [69:35] realized again with all due respect to [69:38] biomedical research and the need to make [69:39] discoveries. I do think there's too much [69:41] animal research that's unnecessary. [69:43] These kinds of things, some is [69:44] essential, but may etc. But I realized [69:47] there we're dehumanizing animals. [69:51] And I thought, "Oh my good goodness." [69:53] Because I had this incredible [69:54] contradiction in my mind. It was a real [69:56] soul dilemma. Like I love Costello. [70:00] I I it was like he he was a family [70:03] member and I was willing to do all this [70:05] work on myself and with him. But in my [70:08] profession, I was observing things where [70:11] I thought this is not okay. And I [70:14] stopped. I'm going to work with humans. [70:16] Even saying I work on humans. You hear [70:18] scientists say this is terrible. [70:20] terrible. And I think words matter to [70:23] humans and because they shape how we [70:25] behave. [70:26] >> Correct. And so I'm noticing a theme uh [70:28] throughout today where you have words [70:32] and simple ways for people to remember [70:34] no look, no touch, no speak, right? [70:36] Exercise, discipline, then affection, [70:38] etc. That's telling people people stuff [70:41] in people language. But the level that [70:44] you're really interested in and you're [70:46] trying to convey is the animal [70:49] experience and then the spiritual [70:50] experience. I'm not trying to [70:52] psychoanalyze you here, but I I this is [70:53] the structure that I hear emerging I [70:55] think will be very useful to people [70:56] because we're going high level low level [70:59] all the time. [71:00] >> So if people could start to think about [71:04] themselves in this way and think about [71:06] their animals, why not? [71:07] >> I think a lot of people are going to [71:09] say, "Oh no, I [71:12] come home and I want to be loved by my [71:14] fur babies and I want them to and I miss [71:16] you and I want to do FaceTime with you [71:18] and like you know and I think people [71:22] genuinely however want their animal to [71:25] feel safe. They want their animal to [71:27] feel secure [71:28] >> number one. [71:29] >> And when I think about real love, it's [71:32] about safety and security first. Mhm. [71:34] >> So for someone that has like the other [71:37] day I was in the hospital visiting a [71:38] friend and the woman behind the counter [71:40] we were talking and she said she said I [71:41] have two Frenchies. [71:42] >> Mhm. [71:42] >> I said well you work long shift. She [71:44] goes yeah they're home alone. I come [71:45] home and they're pooping and peeing. I [71:47] feel so guilty. [71:48] >> That's right. [71:48] >> And my first thought was you should have [71:49] known those dogs. But she's in love with [71:51] the dogs. [71:52] >> I thought well okay. So I passed along a [71:55] little bit of what I learned. She said [71:56] and she just said flat out I can't do [71:58] it. I can't do it. There's no way I [72:00] could come home and they're going crazy [72:02] and I'm and excited to see me that I [72:04] couldn't just pick them up and just hold [72:05] them. [72:06] >> But it's making them anxious. [72:08] >> She's nurturing. [72:09] >> Yeah. [72:09] >> The same nurse that is helping humans to [72:12] be healthy, she's helping her dogs to be [72:14] unhealthy. It's so contrary. Exactly [72:16] what you were going through, you know, [72:18] working with humans versus working on [72:20] humans, right? So she's helping other [72:22] specy, right? But the species that she's [72:25] in love with, she is not. But it's [72:28] because the story she is is accepting in [72:31] her head. She's agreeing with that, [72:33] right? This I have so much guilt that I [72:36] can't stop it, right? Because that's [72:38] what she's trying to do to numb her [72:40] guilt. When I was growing up, most [72:42] people didn't have dogs in our [72:44] neighborhood, suburban neighborhood. Um [72:47] there were few dogs. Now everyone's got [72:50] a dog. It's like having a phone. [72:52] Everyone's got a dog. This doesn't seem [72:55] like a good thing. It is a great thing [72:56] for me because I get I love to teach [72:58] people you know uh about energy, [73:00] philosophy and actions. I want people to [73:02] have a trust, respect, love, the most [73:03] incredible relationship with a dog [73:06] because you know that's a dog really [73:08] makes you a good human if you do things [73:09] right. And then once you practice that [73:12] you can just give it to other humans [73:13] because it makes it tangible. Is energy [73:15] really work? Yeah. What about if I have [73:17] a good philosophy that that really [73:18] works? Yeah, it works. Okay. What about [73:20] if my actions are good? That really [73:22] works. Yes. Now you combine the three [73:23] and watch what your dog does, right? And [73:26] then you go and do the same thing with [73:27] other humans, right? So you create this [73:30] beautiful uh trust, respect, love with [73:32] humans or connection, communication, [73:34] relationship. You go and create safe, [73:36] peace and love environments. Horse [73:38] people are really good about safety, [73:40] right? So so the priority in the horse [73:42] world is not love. The priority is [73:44] safet. So so a horse person is going to [73:47] teach a child don't scream, no touching, [73:50] no talk, no eye contact. Right? So the [73:51] kid will learn that with a horse you [73:53] have to be quiet, calm and wait until [73:55] the horse uh give you the signal. And [73:58] the same person will go and teach the [74:00] kid with dogs as if you can pet him, [74:03] right? But because in the horse world [74:05] safety is number one. How do you keep a [74:09] horse calm [74:12] and you wait and then the horse come? [74:15] What how do they walk a horse? The the [74:17] horse is right be next to the human [74:19] never in front. Right. So people can [74:22] people you can see a little kid walking [74:24] a horse. [74:26] You see it and the horse is behind the [74:28] kid, not in front of the kid. But first [74:31] is the meeting. And then the third thing [74:33] is feeding the horse. If the horse is [74:36] too excited, don't put the hay yet. Wait [74:39] until the horse comes down. Then the hay [74:41] goes down. The meeting, the walk, and [74:42] the feeding. Incredible. And they're [74:45] big. So we have this natural respect for [74:47] them that people don't necessarily have [74:49] for a dog. But a dog obviously can bite, [74:51] you know, [74:52] >> but why not have that respect for [74:54] someone that we say, you know, men dog [74:56] is man best friend. Yeah. The dog has [74:58] the best titles of all the animals in on [75:00] earth, right? The dog. But when it comes [75:03] to the actions, we don't honor the dog [75:06] because we want the dog to be a human. [75:08] We don't respect the dog because we want [75:10] the dog to be a human. When you honor [75:12] and respect somebody, you honor who they [75:14] are. You respect who they are. You learn [75:17] about how they are and that's what you [75:19] love. See it? You love who they are. You [75:23] don't love what you think. You love who [75:26] they are. And you don't try and project [75:29] that they're somebody else. I think some [75:32] people making assumptions here, but some [75:34] people will hear some of what we're [75:36] talking about today and they'll say, [75:36] "Oh, well that's how I should become the [75:40] pack leader with people. I should never [75:42] let anyone walk through a door before me [75:44] or something like, but the point you're [75:47] trying to make is that human to human is [75:49] different than animal to human. You [75:50] don't just transfer the same things. [75:52] Some things transfer, but other things [75:54] don't. [75:55] >> I've worked with non-human primates [75:56] before. Okay. [75:57] >> It's interesting. A lot of people will [75:59] go to the zoo. I'm not a big fan of, you [76:01] know, putting large carnivores and [76:02] primates in zoos. I'm not. I want to be [76:04] clear. I don't, you know, I I have [76:06] issues with that. But people will smile [76:08] at the monkey or they'll go like, you [76:11] know, eat e eat. For a macac monkey, [76:15] bearing teeth is aggression. So, a [76:17] friend of mine, she's an animal [76:18] behaviorist, and she said, "Oh, no. If [76:20] you if you want to do an affiliative [76:22] behavior with with a monkey, you lip [76:25] smack." Which sounds kind of cute and [76:27] funny. And people go, "Oh, but you you [76:30] could tell somebody that a hundred times [76:32] and they'll still go like it's like we [76:35] want to project our own understanding of [76:38] what we think is going on." And even in [76:41] the presence of knowledge, your dog is [76:44] going to feel more safe and secure and [76:45] happy if you come in. Look, no look, no [76:47] touch, no speak. There's something about [76:48] the human brain where we just want to [76:50] project, no, but I want my experience. [76:52] And it's an incredibly selfish thing. It [76:55] was really the realization for me. It's [76:57] very selfish of me to come home and want [77:00] a certain kind of interaction with my [77:02] pet costello, but to put the interaction [77:06] in the terms that work for me. I and I [77:09] said, you know, this is the first time I [77:10] owned a dog. Everyone in my life for the [77:12] longest time, they're like, you're never [77:13] I was talking about it since I was a [77:14] kid. You're never going to get a dog. I [77:16] waited until I had the finances, till I [77:19] had a home. I waited. I very proud of [77:22] the fact that I waited. I desperately [77:24] wanted an animal for so long since I was [77:26] a little kid [77:27] >> at fish and things like that, but I [77:28] wanted a dog. I knew at the time when I [77:31] got him [77:32] >> that it was the right time, [77:34] >> but I had to be very careful because I [77:36] wanted it to go so well that I found [77:38] myself projecting, what if he doesn't [77:40] attack? What if what? And there was all [77:41] this stuff. And then I read your book [77:43] and I realized if I want this to go [77:46] really well, I have to get out of my [77:48] understanding of what I need [77:50] >> on my terms and start thinking about [77:52] what he needs and I need [77:56] >> in his language. [77:57] >> Y [77:57] >> and it was like this light bulb went [77:59] off. I'm just, you know, this is really [78:01] a statement of gratitude that hopefully [78:02] will be informative for people because [78:04] we the human brain just is like, "No, I [78:06] want to be loved and so I'm going to do [78:08] this thing that's actually harming the [78:09] thing that I I say as my fur baby." [78:11] >> Yeah. Like no one would ever hurt their [78:13] fur babies, but they're they're doing [78:15] it. Yeah. [78:16] >> By projecting human stuff. Anyway, I'm [78:18] telling you what you already know, but I [78:20] think it's just something I really want [78:21] to underscore because people hear [78:23] affection last. Like this is just a you [78:26] know, guys being like, I'm alpha. No, [78:28] it's the complete opposite of it. It's [78:31] about respecting the animal. [78:32] >> Yeah. It's it's about safe, peace, [78:35] trust, respect. Once you have those two [78:37] pillars, then you bring the love because [78:40] that's what you want to love. You want [78:41] to love the trust and respect. Not [78:42] because you love people, you trust them. [78:44] Not because you love people, you respect [78:45] them. So love, love is his own energy, [78:47] his own, you know, identity. But you [78:50] want to love trust. You want to love [78:52] respect. That's what you want to love. [78:54] >> You want to love a place that you feel [78:56] safe and peace. That's what you want to [78:58] love. That's the land part, right? And [79:00] then the relationship, trust, respect. [79:01] Then you know the way you experience the [79:03] world, body, mind, heart, right? So at [79:05] least those three things, just do it [79:06] that way. You know, just put love at the [79:08] end. It won't hurt you. It will only [79:10] make you wiser, right? It will only make [79:12] you more patient, more more more more [79:15] more more calm and and you will see the [79:17] outcome. The reason why I said no touch, [79:19] no talk, no eye contact is because if [79:21] you want to touch a a back of the pack [79:24] dog, he's going to run away. If you give [79:26] eye contact to a front of the pack dog [79:28] is exactly what the monkeys is, it means [79:30] it means fight. When you're looking at [79:32] somebody, I want to touch him, right? [79:34] And then when you uh talk to an to a [79:37] middle of the pack, you're going to get [79:38] them very excited. [79:40] So if you practice no touch, no talk, no [79:41] eye contact to any position of the back. [79:43] What you're going to allow is nose, [79:45] eyes, ears to come to you. [79:48] >> You see it? So you're going to create [79:49] the law of attraction. The dog is going [79:51] to come to your smell. And then he's [79:53] going to assess and evaluate. Can I [79:54] trust? Can I respect? Do I feel safe? [79:57] Are you a peaceful human? That's what [79:59] you want them to know about you. [80:01] >> That you can be trusted, that you can be [80:02] respected, that you feel that you can be [80:04] a safe source, a peaceful source. Then [80:07] once the dog, okay, yeah, you have that, [80:09] then the dog is going to sit right next [80:11] to you. He's going to do this or he's [80:13] just going to relax. As soon as he gives [80:15] you that, that's when you give love. So [80:18] there's nothing wrong if you wait a [80:20] little bit. [80:21] >> Mhm. [80:21] >> Right. There's nothing wrong. [80:23] >> You just you're just following the [80:25] steps. You are the one who's being [80:26] disciplined. You see, to be a good [80:29] leader, you have to be a good follower. [80:31] So you have to understand the power of [80:33] calm surrender. You have to understand [80:34] the power of patience. If you don't [80:36] understand that, you're going to be a [80:37] terrible leader. So, I'm not telling [80:39] people be a pack leader just because you [80:41] you're the dog owner. No, no, no. I'm [80:42] telling you what it requires to be a [80:45] pack leader. The highest level of [80:47] patient, the highest level of calmness, [80:49] highest level of confidence, and then [80:51] knowing when to give love and know when [80:53] to celebrate. [80:54] >> Love, joy. It's a celebration energy. [80:58] This one is direction protection. We [81:00] What do we want for of our pack leaders [81:02] like politicians? We want to We want to [81:05] have an an America that feels safe [81:07] peace. We want to have a Mexico that [81:09] feels safe peace. We want to have a [81:11] Argentina that feels safe peace. We want [81:13] to have a Colombia that feels safe [81:15] peace. We want to have a Venezuela that [81:16] feels safe peace. Otherwise, we can't [81:19] feel the love. We want to have somebody [81:21] that we trust and respect so we can love [81:23] them. Right? That's what we want is is [81:26] our instinct to want this. It's our [81:28] spirit to to want this. [81:31] I'd like to take a quick break and [81:33] acknowledge our sponsor, Function. [81:35] Function provides over 160 advanced lab [81:38] tests to give you a clear snapshot of [81:40] your bodily health. 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[83:39] I think all leaders should should show [83:41] us, you know, themselves with a pack of [83:43] of dogs so we can assess and evaluate [83:45] their energy well, you know, cuz they [83:48] they they say the philosophy we want to [83:50] hear, right? They always talk great [83:52] about the intellectual part people want [83:54] to hear, but then the energy and then [83:57] the actions, that's what we end up [83:59] seeing at the end, right? Look at [84:00] Mexico, right? We always oh a woman [84:03] president as Mexico is going to be well [84:05] taken care same no safe no peace no [84:09] trust no respect it's the same it's a [84:11] continuation of the same philosophy but [84:14] they all say great things you see what I [84:16] mean I don't lie to dogs I I say you [84:19] know listen I'm going to bring you back [84:20] your your your silence your calmness [84:22] your surrender that's my contribution to [84:24] you because your humans made you [84:26] fightlight avoidance and boom I don't [84:29] say nothing to the dog I just feel it [84:31] and I do it. I skip the saying cuz they [84:34] don't care about what I say. They care [84:36] about what I feel and what I do. The [84:38] human cares about what you say. So you [84:40] can just brainwash the human all you [84:42] want. Lie to the human and the human [84:44] will vote. We're the only species that [84:45] follow unstable leaders. [84:47] There is no species that will vote for [84:49] somebody that has unstable energy to [84:51] begin with. They can care less what they [84:53] saying. [84:55] >> I watched that uh series on Netflix, [84:57] Chimp Empire. It's fascinating. you [84:59] know, it's very hierarchical, you know, [85:01] troops. And the the alpha occasionally [85:04] will feel like he's losing [85:06] >> some control over his uh troop [85:09] >> and he'll go on these displays where he [85:11] starts breaking trees and beating his [85:13] chest and [85:14] >> they look a lot more like humans. Humans [85:16] look a lot more like them. [85:17] >> But I saw an interview with Jane [85:20] Goodall. [85:21] >> Um you probably seen this where they [85:24] said, "You know what? What is your [85:25] favorite thing about them?" And then she [85:26] and she says, "No, dogs are my favorite [85:29] species. You can really trust them. [85:31] >> The chimps, you're like, they're way too [85:33] much like us. They lie. They cheat. They [85:36] I mean, if you watch Chimp Empire, brace [85:38] yourself for, you know, when they decide [85:39] they're going to ostracize a member of [85:41] their of their group. It's uh they make [85:44] them suffer an extended punishment. It's [85:47] it's brutal." [85:49] >> And that's the primate brain. Um sadly, [85:52] uh humans were [85:53] >> supposed to move beyond that. That's [85:55] that's uh our role. Uh [85:58] >> I'm making the assumption that some [85:59] people either have a dog or they're [86:01] thinking about getting one. [86:02] >> Correct. [86:03] >> Preparing oneself for every interaction [86:06] sounds like the the thing uh to do until [86:10] it becomes reflexive. It also it's a lot [86:12] of work like you describe a a brief [86:14] prayer at the door. Setting intention. I [86:17] think that's awesome. [86:18] >> Yeah. [86:20] >> Waking up in the morning. [86:21] >> Mhm. [86:22] >> I will say hello to strummer. I take [86:24] care of myself first, move about. If he [86:26] has to use the bathroom or something, [86:27] I'd let him out right away. But he waits [86:29] and then he gets up and we do our thing. [86:32] >> But the temptation to walk over there [86:34] and just he's, you know, he's sleepy, [86:36] he's a bulldog, he's calm, and to just [86:38] grow like cuz I love him. My heart fills [86:40] when I when I, you know, walk in the [86:42] room with him. [86:43] >> Yeah. [86:43] >> I think this is the thing that a lot of [86:44] people are challenged with. But they're [86:46] like, so for me, temporarily breaking [86:51] down my notion of cuteness was very [86:53] important. [86:54] >> Mhm. [86:54] >> He doesn't understand cute, [86:56] >> right? [86:57] >> He has no concept of cute. [86:59] >> He only understands what he understands. [87:01] I'm the one projecting like, "Oh, but [87:03] he's like, I want to cuddle him and I [87:05] want to play with him." [87:06] >> I confess this is easier for me to do [87:08] now that I've done it with one dog [87:09] before. It's much harder for my [87:11] girlfriend to do. She's like, she gets [87:12] pulled in. Yeah, we joke you caved to [87:15] love. We joke, you know, it's like we [87:17] cave to our own feelings of love, [87:19] >> but it can damage the safety and the and [87:22] the and the the general pack order. And [87:25] then people think, oh, pack order sounds [87:26] like not love. [87:28] >> Could you elaborate a little bit on why [87:29] it's so important to stay in the frame [87:32] of we're really asking humans to think [87:34] more like dogs, but to behave in a way [87:36] that is somewhere in between? [87:38] >> 80% of my clients are women. 80%. when I [87:42] go to, you know, their home because I [87:44] like to assess and evaluate the dynamics [87:46] inside the house. The dog is in the [87:49] front, wife is number two, kids are [87:51] number three, husband is in the back, [87:54] back of the pack. [87:55] >> This is in the United States. [87:56] >> United States. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. United [87:58] States. [87:58] >> So, um, why the dog is in the front? [88:03] She puts him there. [88:05] >> Why? Because she only practice [88:07] affection. And why the husband is in the [88:10] back? because she practiced rules, [88:11] boundaries, limitations with him. [88:15] You see it? So look, look. So she is [88:17] capable to practice leadership, but she [88:19] practices with the wrong member in the [88:21] house. The dog needs the leadership, [88:24] right? Cuz why, why did they call me? [88:26] Cuz now the dog doesn't the kids can't [88:27] walk them. You know, the uh the friends [88:30] uh kids can come to the house. The dog [88:33] steals food, [88:35] right? Or the dog barks at the [88:36] neighbors, [88:38] right? uh they they don't have the uh [88:41] ideal uh uh life that they chose or they [88:44] thought they were going to have by [88:46] having this labradoodle. [88:49] >> They should be the easiest one, right? [88:51] Cuz those two breeds are practically, [88:53] you know, the the epitome of like most [88:55] dust breed. [88:56] >> I know. I tell the Labradoodleal people [88:58] like try raising a bulldog mastiff, [89:01] >> right? Yeah. [89:01] >> From eight weeks on. [89:03] >> Yeah. You'll learn a lot about yourself. [89:05] >> It's a it's a different strength. [89:06] >> Yeah. [89:07] >> Right. So this breed should be easier [89:10] >> because it's designed to be easier. But [89:13] because they only practice affection [89:15] first or only affection, uh the dog end [89:19] up going in front of the pack. [89:21] >> So this is what happens when people [89:22] wants to practice affection first or [89:25] when when they prioritize affection to [89:27] the dog but to the rest of the pack. Uh [89:30] it's very clear for me that she practice [89:32] rule by limitations to the husband. He [89:36] has to do whatever she said, [89:38] but the dog doesn't do whatever she [89:40] says. [89:42] You see, so that we have to change, you [89:45] know, we have to help people to [89:47] understand. It's it's not that love is [89:48] bad. It's it's just what are you giving [89:50] love to? I'm so happy you're raising [89:52] this. I think some people will say, [89:53] well, she has to treat the husband [89:56] basically like a child because he's [89:58] playing video games. I'm making the [90:00] assumption here that we don't know what [90:01] the dynamics are between the husband and [90:03] the wife. And I I have a lot of uh [90:06] married couple friends where it seems [90:08] very balanced. I don't know what happens [90:09] when I'm not there obviously, but I know [90:11] some where yes indeed like there's some [90:13] infantilization of the male, but he does [90:16] that to himself too. Okay. [90:17] >> He's behaving like a kid, [90:18] >> right? [90:19] >> Or I also have seen very balanced and [90:21] I've seen where uh it's a bit more of [90:24] >> kind of the structure I grew up in at [90:25] least for the early part of my life. Um [90:27] maybe it's because my father's from [90:28] South America, but until my parents [90:30] split, it was like my dad was the dad [90:31] and then it was my mom and then, you [90:33] know, and then there was the kids and [90:34] sadly we didn't have a dog. But things [90:36] are very different nowadays, [90:38] >> right? And so I'm trying to [90:41] >> remove any assumptions that the dynamic [90:43] between [90:44] >> the husband and wife are that way solely [90:47] because of one or the other. It's it's [90:49] there's an agreement there. It's [90:50] >> correct. [90:51] >> There's always an agreement. [90:52] >> Yeah. [90:52] >> The agreement is did he surrender? [90:54] >> Mhm. [90:55] >> Yeah. That's the agreement. At one point [90:56] you don't want fight flight avoidance. [90:58] So the guy end up surrendering but the [91:00] dog didn't. The dog took over [91:02] >> and you also don't want so doineering [91:05] that she's in fight flight surrendering. [91:06] >> Correct. We don't want that. [91:08] >> That exists too and that's bad also. [91:11] >> Yeah. My relationship now with a woman [91:13] is is I have that a good instinctual [91:15] relationship right because my masculine [91:18] energy is the the one who gives [91:21] direction protection. when before I used [91:24] to uh follow this concept of happy wife [91:27] happy life and is is how can I make her [91:31] happy she has to make herself happy so I [91:33] end up surrendering to everything she [91:36] wanted and and so this concept of you [91:39] know happy wife happy life didn't work [91:41] for me right but and so I just went back [91:44] into okay I'm just going to become [91:46] confident and attract a woman that wants [91:48] to be calm surrender to this area which [91:51] is the instinctual area. Spiritually, [91:53] we're the same. Emotionally, we're the [91:55] same. Financially, you know, uh we're [91:58] the same. Um but instinctually, that's [92:01] the part that I I I I couldn't I [92:04] couldn't just [92:06] not be masculine, right, or come [92:09] confident. I just couldn't. I just [92:10] couldn't. And that that's it works [92:13] beautiful now. [92:14] >> Oh, it sounds um like you you've hit the [92:16] bullseye there. Actually, I have um [92:19] since we're talking about human [92:20] relationships, I I have a friend, he has [92:22] a very happy, very successful marriage [92:24] um in in the real sense that you walk [92:26] into their home like that they have some [92:29] uh they have a a couple of kids, one of [92:32] them has some special needs, but that um [92:34] they're managing that well. The home is [92:36] very balanced. They seem very very [92:38] happy. and he was giving advice uh to [92:40] some other guys uh and he said you know [92:43] among the the the [92:46] women that would be like partners good [92:48] partners for you. [92:49] >> Mhm. [92:50] >> Yeah. You have to make a decision [92:52] >> about how much you want somebody who's [92:55] going to give you instructions versus [92:57] leave you alone [92:58] >> versus wants you know some direction. It [93:01] was a very edgy thing to say you know at [93:03] the time now we can have these kinds of [93:05] conversations. Um, yeah. And it and it [93:09] was very interesting. There were three [93:10] other guys at the table, none of whom [93:12] are are married, including me. And we [93:14] each had different answers to that [93:16] question. One said, "Yeah, I want [93:17] somebody that I can like really be in [93:19] like kind of wants to be led, [93:21] >> right? [93:22] >> Not subservient, you know, obviously [93:23] respect and kindness, but but the other [93:25] one he said, um, I want someone who's [93:29] like really going to like keep me in [93:31] line." I was like, I was very shocked. [93:34] >> I was like, this is incredible. But he [93:35] was being he was being honest. He wanted [93:37] someone who was basically going to like [93:38] keep him out of his childlike nature. [93:40] >> Okay, [93:41] >> when the childlike nature wasn't going [93:42] to help, [93:43] >> right, [93:43] >> keep the structure of the home. I think [93:45] it's a very important thing, this notion [93:47] of [93:48] >> um we don't have good words for this to [93:50] keep us off of the barbedwire. Like we [93:52] hear dominance, hierarchy, and it sounds [93:54] like control. [93:56] >> It sounds like subservience. It gets [93:59] into notions of like all sorts of [94:01] things, but this is a fundamental aspect [94:03] of the human spirit. That's instinctual [94:05] part. [94:06] >> Like I said, we can both love God at the [94:08] same level. We can love love at the same [94:11] level and we can all develop our [94:12] intelligence at the same level. But when [94:14] it comes to instincts, [94:16] that's the only area in my life that I [94:19] know that I my confidence is going to [94:22] lead my pack. Right? Because that's what [94:25] I do with dogs. [94:27] That's practically it. I I walk a pack [94:29] of dogs. So, they all got to go into a [94:31] cal surrender state. And so in my house, [94:33] I wanted the same thing because I want [94:35] her to feel safe, peace. I want her to [94:36] trust respect. I wanted her to love that [94:39] about me. But I have to be that man that [94:42] has a high level of patience, high level [94:44] of calmness, high level of confidence, [94:46] high level of love. I need to earn that [94:48] position. I don't just want it. I earned [94:50] it. But I need to have a woman that uh [94:54] understands, you know, that that's what [94:55] I'm looking for. [94:57] >> Right. Yeah. Instinctually, not in the [95:00] mind, not in the heart. is temporary. [95:02] No, no, no. This is permanently. [95:05] >> You know your instincts and I I will [95:07] provide safe peace. [95:09] >> I will be a peaceful man, a safe man to [95:11] be with, a trustworthy man, a respectful [95:14] man, a loving man, right? Smart man. I [95:16] will always work on having good energy [95:18] and only following good philosophy and [95:20] only doing good actions because I want [95:22] that position. Did you take some time [95:25] before your uh current relationship [95:28] after your divorce to sort of feel into [95:30] this and and think about how you were [95:32] going to be that or um is this something [95:36] that you decided to evolve in the [95:40] >> I realized that I was picking the I was [95:42] picking the wrong woman, [95:43] >> right? I was uh I was I I couldn't [95:46] understand why I can pick a dog and and [95:48] Megan the perfect I can pick a perfect [95:51] dog for you. like I can go pick I [95:52] couldn't pick up the perfect woman for [95:53] me. I just want the one for me, [95:56] >> right? What I think is perfect for me. [95:58] And so I I had a a trouble because I had [96:02] the wrong philosophy inside my head. You [96:05] know, what a man should should do or [96:07] what a man woman should do. It was the [96:09] wrong philosophy period. Right? Once I [96:11] changed the philosophy, then I went, [96:13] okay, I just I need to find a woman with [96:15] this spirit, with this instinct, with [96:16] this heart, and with this mind. So, I [96:19] was more like clear, right? Okay. Now, [96:22] now I know what I'm looking for, [96:24] >> right? And she's a pack leader, but not [96:26] in the house. She's a pack leader. She [96:29] has three restaurants. She has a lot of [96:30] money, right? Uh but she earned it. She [96:33] did it on her own, right? And and that [96:37] was that was it. She came say, "I just [96:39] want to give you my calm surrender." I [96:41] said, "That's all I want from a woman, [96:43] you know, to have a beautiful [96:45] relationship." So she knew that she [96:48] wanted to be in the role that she [96:49] currently is. [96:50] >> Yeah. [96:51] >> Also like there was a a knowledge of [96:53] self going into it. [96:54] >> Yeah. Because when she, you know, she's [96:55] doing her business, she has to be a pack [96:57] leader. They get tired of being pack [96:59] leaders, [97:00] >> right? They just just get tired uh of [97:03] like I don't want to, you know, give [97:04] direction and protection 24/7 even at [97:07] home. So at home she just wanted [97:09] somebody to give her safe, peace, trust, [97:12] respect, calm, surrender. That's she [97:15] needed to connect to her instincts, [97:17] >> right? It was important because you know [97:19] she connects to to God. So she's come [97:21] surrendered to God, right? So she's come [97:24] surrender to the business. She's but she [97:25] needed to become surrendered to a man. [97:27] But it has to be the right man. So I was [97:29] I was the right man at that time, right? [97:31] Cuz I I earned the position, [97:34] >> you know. I didn't just machismo is [97:36] you're not earning the position. You're [97:37] just a man and da da da. No, no, no. [97:39] When you're a good pack leader, you earn [97:41] the position. You know who you are. You [97:43] value who you are and that's the and [97:45] that's what you love. Self-nowledge, [97:47] self- value, self- loveve. So I did my [97:49] my rehabilitation for me because you [97:52] know even though my grandparent and my [97:53] and my father taught me well about [97:55] animals, they didn't taught me well [97:57] about women. [97:59] >> They said you make money and you get [98:00] whatever you want. That was it. [98:02] >> Yeah. That's an incomplete [98:05] >> how do I assess and evaluate is that's [98:07] the right woman. [98:08] >> How do I how do I do how do I make sure [98:10] I do good connection communication [98:11] relationship? Everything I teach with a [98:13] dog, how do I how can I achieve it with [98:15] my same specy, [98:17] >> right? But it I didn't receive [98:19] information, right? I just I I was just [98:22] given a project, right? And I [98:24] accomplished. I became manif and I just [98:27] went and grabbed whatever was available. [98:29] Well, I can certainly say um [98:32] >> my [98:33] I'll just be direct why why tapped it. I [98:36] mean, I think my parents split because [98:37] of a a a power struggle about roles and [98:40] power. Um, and my father's from a Latin [98:43] country, my mother's not, but [98:45] irrespective of that, it didn't matter. [98:47] I used to think that was the reason, but [98:48] it was now fortunately, they both [98:50] remarried. They've been remarried for a [98:52] very long time, very happily to their [98:54] new partner. And my sister and I always [98:56] say like [98:56] >> they're like with their perfect fit. [98:59] >> It just like works. Y [99:00] >> because of exactly what you're [99:02] describing, these these dynamics. Yeah. [99:04] I mean, I think I didn't say it, but I [99:06] saw online at some point um someone [99:10] said, you know, the way you destroy a [99:11] country is to get the men and women to [99:13] hate each other. [99:14] >> And we see that a lot now. [99:16] >> Um I like to think maybe things are [99:18] improving a little bit, but so much of [99:20] what we see because of [99:23] >> anger at leaders, frustration with, you [99:26] know, social dynamics and belief about [99:28] what people can and can't become. All of [99:30] this stuff has led to this place of a [99:32] ton of distrust. But the power structure [99:34] is all messed up. [99:36] >> Yeah. They fight, flight, avoid each [99:37] other, right? But they say they love [99:39] each other. [99:40] >> And they still because there's an [99:42] instinct there. They still desire each [99:44] other, right? I mean, men and women are [99:45] still seeking to be together, but you [99:47] hear the they're, you know, all the guys [99:50] are like kids and you hear the all the [99:52] women are, you know, they want something [99:53] that they, you know, can't be achieved [99:55] in this common thing. And, you know, and [99:57] I mean, [99:57] >> confusion. [99:58] >> Yeah. A lot of confusion. And of course, [99:59] I know some very happy couples that that [100:02] where they've worked it out. But the [100:04] roles in those couples seem very [100:06] >> it's like they're they're being [100:07] themselves [100:08] >> and it just works. [100:09] >> Yeah. [100:10] >> Yeah. I just don't want to think about [100:12] it. I just want to feel it, right? I [100:14] just want my spirit, my instinct, and my [100:16] heart. And I know what I got to do [100:18] anyway, right? I'm 56. I know what I got [100:20] to do. But I don't I just don't want to [100:22] have a fight avoidance at home, [100:25] >> right? I just don't want to have that [100:27] ever, ever, ever, ever. Right? So, it's [100:31] it's very clear to me, you know, that uh [100:34] that what I looking for is exactly what [100:36] everybody looks for in a relationship. [100:38] Human dog, safe, peace, love, trust, [100:41] respect, love, body, mind, heart, [100:43] exercise, discipline, affection, follow, [100:45] play, explore. Everybody wants the same [100:46] thing. They just do it with a different [100:48] specy. I wanted to be able to do it with [100:50] a different specy and my own specy, [100:53] you know, and and and uh and I'm I'm the [100:56] happiest I ever been, right? [100:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. You you breathe and exude [101:01] happiness. I I have to say it's it's [101:03] real. It's it's tangible. [101:04] >> It's amazing because I was already happy [101:06] with with my goal in life, right? My [101:08] dream was to become the best dog trainer [101:10] in the world. And I became the dog [101:11] whisperer. So I train humans. I don't [101:14] train dogs, right? So So this dream was [101:16] bigger than what I thought. But then I [101:18] couldn't have a good relationship with a [101:20] woman which it was uh fascinating to me [101:23] at that time. Why I have five flight [101:25] avoidance? Why I don't have come [101:27] surrender happy golucky come confident? [101:29] Why don't I'm not saying my woman is not [101:31] calm confident towards me. If I'm wrong [101:34] and then yeah she can you know give [101:35] direction protection but if I'm not [101:38] there's no need right. So that mean that [101:40] makes me a very consistent man with my [101:42] with my role. [101:44] That's it. I I keep my peace. I keep my [101:47] my my patience, my calmness, my [101:48] confidence, my love, my every single day [101:51] of my life. I I don't miss one day even [101:54] if I don't feel good. You see it? I [101:57] internally I'm at 100 because with [102:00] people it only takes once to be on the [102:02] receiving end of um an outburst to just [102:06] there's always that little asterisk [102:10] going forward. I share with you the um [102:12] the deep desire and fortunately I have [102:14] it now to um not have fight or flight at [102:17] home. [102:18] >> Um I [102:19] >> or from a dog either. [102:20] >> Or from a dog either. Right. Always [102:21] scary. Exactly. So I'm guessing that the [102:24] home you grew up in had a fair amount of [102:26] fight or flight otherwise maybe that [102:28] would [102:28] >> it was very very machismo. You know my [102:30] parents still married. Uh but that's all [102:33] you know. It was it was this way or [102:35] that's it you know. So it was definitely [102:38] a more like sadness, right? Cuz my mom [102:40] was not allowed to do her own self, you [102:43] know, and and so that's obviously not [102:46] healthy for for the dream of of a woman, [102:50] >> right? So she has to, you know, have [102:52] just be a mom and stay at home and it [102:54] was it was hard for her, you know. Um [102:59] Yeah. But [103:02] that's that's all I saw, you know. Uh [103:05] yeah when when my dad will um discipline [103:08] will discipline with anger and when my [103:10] mom would discipline with discipline [103:11] with guilt [103:13] you know and and that was it but it [103:16] worked a little bit [103:17] >> then I come to America and that's ah [103:19] it's a completely different way of [103:21] looking at things right you can work on [103:23] your energy you can work on your [103:25] philosophy you can work on your actions [103:27] and then you can become just as good as [103:29] you are with a dog because I have an [103:30] incredible relationship with dogs right [103:33] and incredible relationship with God [103:35] because he definitely allowed me to [103:37] become what I dream about, right? And I [103:40] came and did it in a different country. [103:42] I have to learn a different language, [103:44] right? And then I went all over the [103:46] world. That was God, right? Me following [103:50] the spirit and and the instinct. Now I [103:52] can tell you how I did it. [103:54] >> But in the beginning when I jumped the [103:55] border, it was all spiritual and it was [103:57] all instinctual. It was all passion. It [103:59] was not the mind doing it. It was just [104:02] my spirit and my instinct and my heart [104:04] just following this dream, right? And [104:07] adapting. I have to learn this. I have [104:09] to do this. But then at the same time, I [104:11] saw a lot of great things in America, [104:13] you know, like you can be you. Oh, yeah. [104:15] You can be you. It's great. This is a [104:17] good philosophy, the stoic. So, that's a [104:19] great philosophy, right? Um, and then [104:22] your actions. Okay. Just walk shoulders [104:24] up, head high, breathe, walk. And that's [104:29] p your body language, you know, also [104:31] exudes what you're thinking and what [104:33] you're feeling. And because I'm with [104:35] dogs all day, I just keep that energy [104:39] 24/7. [104:40] It's beautiful. The um as a practical [104:44] tangent, the the thing about just [104:46] shoulders back and walk. I think it's [104:48] funny to see when people try this, [104:50] they're like, I'm going to be the back [104:53] leader. That that doesn't work. And I'll [104:54] tell you, it really doesn't work with a [104:56] bulldog mastiff. [104:57] >> No, you can't fake it. If you get [104:59] frustrated with them, they feel it and [105:00] they pull back. It's wild. They just can [105:03] feel it. Like if you're frustrated, [105:04] let's go. [105:05] >> It's like, no. I'll sometimes give a [105:07] little bit of a stern. [105:09] >> I have one little command that I [105:12] occasionally use. I keep its potency. [105:14] But if [105:15] >> Costello or in this case, Strummer is [105:17] really being stubborn just for stubborn [105:18] sake. [105:19] >> Mhm. [105:19] >> I'll do and that's it. Yes. That's all. [105:23] But if I do that more than three times [105:25] on a walk, it loses its potency. [105:27] Correct. It's just my way of saying like [105:29] no. [105:30] >> It's just a no. [105:31] >> But I don't say no. [105:32] >> And if I were Yeah. And if I were to And [105:36] I'm realizing as I say this that little [105:38] is probably more of a reminder to [105:39] myself. Yeah. [105:40] >> As much as it is a reminder to him. [105:42] >> It happened to both. [105:43] >> Yeah. I'm just kind of trying to create [105:44] this thing like, "No, we're go. I lead [105:46] this walk. We're you need this walk. I [105:47] need this walk. We're doing this walk." [105:49] >> And he just [105:50] >> Yeah. [105:51] >> he goes. Now, it's a little bit tougher [105:52] when my girlfriend walks. He tests her [105:54] more. So, can we talk about that? When a [105:56] dog is in a very respectful of one [105:58] person, obeys the boundaries, but then [106:01] to other people they're acting out, how [106:04] should that be remedied? If the three of [106:06] us walk together, for instance, he'll do [106:08] whatever she she wants. [106:10] >> With me, he does whatever I decide. [106:13] Okay. [106:14] >> But sometimes with her, she'll say, "He [106:16] was great. No, he was really difficult." [106:18] How does one facilitate that? I think [106:20] the the first thing women have to [106:21] realize is how much they are in their [106:23] emotions and how much they think about [106:26] things, right? So, [106:29] you know, the fact that we go into the [106:31] silence and the calmness and just we [106:33] follow through is is that's the spirit, [106:36] the instinct and the mind. And that's [106:38] what that's what's walking the dog. But [106:40] in my experience, women go into the [106:42] emotional uh uh [106:46] um vibration and then they castello [106:51] and they begin to have a intellectual [106:53] conversation. So the dog knows that that [106:55] human is only using half of who they [106:57] are, which is the heart and the mind, [106:59] >> right? And so it's very important for [107:01] women to remember that spirit is a [107:03] powerful thing. and say how I going to [107:06] practice silence [107:08] and as instinct is a powerful thing. how [107:11] I'm going to practice cal instant [107:13] breath. You're calm inside, [107:16] >> right? And you just want to go from [107:18] point A to point B. Very simple, very [107:20] practical. You're not negotiating. [107:22] You're not looking at anything else. [107:23] You're not distracted. You're just [107:25] going, you know, for the task, and then [107:28] the dog just follows that silence, the [107:30] calmness, and the confidence. is when [107:32] the human doesn't use that vibration [107:34] that the dog has an option [107:36] >> to get distracted to do other things to [107:39] go away from the routine of from the [107:42] structure from whatever you want to you [107:44] want to do but at the same time that [107:45] same woman can ride a horse and in order [107:47] to ride a horse she have to be quiet [107:50] confident [107:51] >> oh yeah and my my first girlfriend was a [107:53] she had horses at home yeah they had a [107:55] stable below their their home they [107:56] actually weren't that wealthy but her [107:58] dad actually had like a not even a [108:00] junior high school educ vacation. He [108:01] came over from Greece. He became a taxi [108:03] driver [108:04] >> and he was going to give his daughters [108:05] this life and they had this horse [108:07] >> and [108:08] >> it was incredible to see her cuz she's a [108:11] very very quiet person actually, very [108:12] artistic [108:14] >> and but with her horse and he was a wild [108:16] one. He was gilded late and so it was a [108:18] whole thing. [108:20] >> Um and [108:22] >> but her in the presence of that horse [108:24] like she just understood cuz he was [108:26] dangerous. He was actually a dangerous [108:28] animal and a totally different side of [108:30] her came out and was the first time I [108:32] realized I was like I was I mean I was a [108:33] teenager right but I was like oh like [108:35] she has this immense power that's not [108:37] like the kind of power that we think [108:38] about of course women have power and you [108:40] know all this but [108:41] >> it was a completely different landscape [108:44] >> and I was like whoa I I mean first of [108:46] all I can't do that [108:47] >> I had to learn to be around him [108:49] >> correct [108:49] >> but just the the level of calm and [108:52] confidence [108:53] >> uh to clean a horse like you know you [108:55] know a horse can kill you, right? But if [108:58] you walk around going, "Oh my gosh, this [109:00] horse can kill me, it does not go well." [109:02] >> But exactly, you know, so what we have [109:04] to remember is is the human part before [109:07] the gender, right? So just go back to [109:09] your human. Can a man and a woman ride a [109:11] horse? Yeah. Why? Because they're using [109:13] the same energy and the same philosophy [109:15] and the same actions. So is it because [109:17] it's a man or a woman? No. No. It's [109:18] because they're using the same energy. [109:20] So it's a human thing, [109:22] >> right? Not a gender thing, [109:24] >> right? So I I invite you know my my uh [109:27] female clients to don't forget you also [109:29] have this calm confident inside of you [109:32] that your dog needs [109:34] >> right craves and especially in your [109:36] because most of the time people call me [109:37] because the dog is in a fight state [109:39] right so most of my cases are aggression [109:42] and so in your case you have no choice [109:45] >> you have to lead the pack and the only [109:48] way you can lead the pack is with calm [109:50] confidence [109:52] you love the pack with love and joy So [109:54] you already know how to do that, right? [109:56] You have to get you have to tap into [109:58] what people call masculine energy, [110:00] right? That's so can a can a can a woman [110:02] ride a horse? Yes, she has to be in this [110:04] energy to do it. [110:06] >> You see it? She has to. So she they just [110:09] have to learn to recognize, okay, I'm [110:11] not changing me. I'm just using [110:14] everything about me, [110:16] >> right? It's like a man. Can a man use [110:17] the feminine side? Yes, you can. Of [110:19] course, you have it, right? is your love [110:21] joy and your masculine is your calm [110:23] confident. Silence is for everybody. [110:26] It's your patience. Right? So silence is [110:28] before calm confidence or love joy. And [110:32] this is what they call feminine and this [110:33] is what they call masculine. Right? So [110:36] it's [110:37] however you want to call it just be the [110:39] whole human. Use your spirit, use your [110:42] instinct, use your heart, use your mind, [110:44] trust, respect, love, and then do [110:46] whatever your mind wants to do. [110:49] It has nothing to do with women or a [110:51] men. [110:52] >> But if we divide and we see each other's [110:54] different said, "No, it's because I'm a [110:55] woman, I have to be emotional." Yes, you [110:57] can be emotional at the right time. Just [110:59] like a man can be emotional at the right [111:01] time. Nobody's saying not to be loving. [111:04] What we're saying is how to use this [111:06] energy for good where you reward good [111:10] behavior on humans and good behavior on [111:13] dogs with the energy of love. Right? If [111:16] the energy of love uh uh can change bad, [111:20] it would be no bad man in in the world, [111:23] right? Because moms normally give you [111:25] love. But love doesn't change the bad [111:28] energy. It's the confidence that changed [111:30] the bad energy. [111:32] >> The idea that, you know, society is [111:35] broken, humans are broken. I mean, there [111:36] are a lot of problems in the world right [111:38] now. [111:38] >> Purposely, by the way, [111:39] >> tell me more. [111:40] >> If we get the wrong information, we're [111:42] gonna be no connection, communication, [111:44] relationship. So how can we become [111:46] powerful? [111:48] >> Right? Cuz when we unite and then we [111:50] become powerful, the pack unites. [111:52] >> Mhm. [111:52] >> But if the pack is separated, the pack [111:54] fights, flight and avoid each other, [111:57] right? So purposely we get the wrong [111:58] information. That's why my goal is to [112:01] give people the right information. If [112:02] you have low money, middle class, rich, [112:04] and it really doesn't matter. We should [112:05] all know the same thing about dogs. We [112:08] should all know the same thing about [112:09] God. We should all know the same thing [112:10] about earth. All of us. It has nothing [112:13] to do with what position in the backyard [112:15] economically speaking. [112:17] >> See it? So what what is that world looks [112:19] like? Well, that world looks like like [112:21] all humans around the world, regardless [112:23] of the economical uh uh position, [112:26] they're all going to have an amazing [112:27] relationship with dogs. How? Because [112:30] they all have the same information. [112:32] That's it. I I love that. I mean, I feel [112:35] like we're we're drifting further and [112:37] further away from ourselves as as a [112:39] species. And what I'm hearing is that [112:42] looking at our interactions with this [112:45] other species, dogs, and looking at our [112:47] practicing our ability to get outside [112:50] ourselves. Yeah. [112:51] >> And tap into other aspects of ourselves [112:53] like the need for calm confidence when [112:55] we just want to be loving. That's really [112:56] about wanting to be loved. [112:58] >> Yeah. [112:58] >> You know, the person coming home is not [113:00] it's not that the dog needs their love. [113:02] they can hear, oh, you know, actually [113:04] the dog needs calm confidence, [113:06] >> but I translate it as, no, that this [113:09] person just feels so tired at the end of [113:11] the day, [113:13] >> what they need is something that just [113:15] adores them. [113:15] >> Yeah. [113:16] >> You know, and I the whole process of [113:18] raising Costello was [113:20] >> one of reading your book. Really, this [113:22] is this is why you're here. I mean [113:23] because I tr see saw and experienced so [113:26] much value from your teaching and then [113:28] realizing that if I really want to get [113:32] what I want. [113:33] >> Yeah. [113:34] >> It means building the relationship means [113:36] not doing this thing in the moment. I'm [113:38] thinking about the whole relationship. [113:39] Safety first. It's all right. And so [113:40] it's this kind of counterintuitive thing [113:42] of needing to go against self in the [113:44] moment [113:45] >> to create the sort of picture where you [113:47] get so much more and everybody wins. [113:50] Yeah, [113:50] >> there is a version of everybody [113:52] including the dogs wins. [113:53] >> Everybody wins. [113:54] >> But it requires a level of [113:56] self-disipline, awareness, [113:58] calmness, breathing that I think many [114:00] people and certainly in that time I felt [114:02] like a just so much constant pressure to [114:04] do dood do. [114:05] >> So there's a certain amount of slowing [114:07] down and self-awareness that's required [114:09] for everything that you're describing. [114:11] >> What is your practice for that on a [114:13] daily basis? I mean, you're a master [114:15] now, right? you're a virtuoso at this [114:17] >> but for the uh I always say there's [114:19] unskilled skilled master and virtuosity [114:21] you're up [114:22] >> back [114:24] but so for somebody that's trying to [114:25] move from unskilled to skilled in the [114:28] domain of like slowing down thinking [114:31] about what the priority in this [114:32] interaction is getting all that working [114:34] while life is happening in real time [114:36] lots happening and it's coming through [114:37] the phone and this and that schedules [114:39] how do you recommend young or old that [114:42] people start to cultivate this awareness [114:46] and this [114:46] >> I think the quicker we become aware what [114:48] is life about right cuz we're all going [114:50] to die and so what what what is life [114:53] about and life is about life right life [114:57] is to be happy to be healthy to be [114:58] loving and to be smart that's life and [115:01] then is time how you structure how you [115:03] manage time right and and uh and then is [115:06] memories that's all you take once you [115:08] realize those three things I I think [115:10] you're going to be able to focus and and [115:12] experience life um the way animals do, [115:16] right? Because they're very grateful of [115:17] life. They structure time very wisely. [115:20] And then by the time they die, they only [115:22] take good memories, [115:24] >> right? Because that's all you take, good [115:25] memories. And so the quicker we [115:27] surrender to that concept, the quicker [115:30] we are going to uh focus what's what's [115:33] valuable, right? And and what and things [115:36] that we can definitely practice that [115:38] this this concept of love, right? And so [115:41] that to me is be grateful of life every [115:44] day. Be thankful of life every day, you [115:47] know. Uh learn with your mind to learn [115:50] to achieve. Give it away. It's very [115:52] important to be at service and make [115:54] other humans, you know, or or animals, [115:56] you know, uh achieve what you just [115:58] achieved. And of course, you know, the [116:00] energy of love to love those three [116:02] things about it, right? Your spirit, [116:03] your instinct, and your mind. Learn to [116:05] love that about you because that's who [116:06] you are. So who's Caesar Milan? Caesar [116:09] Milan is a spirit. He's an instinct. [116:10] He's a heart and he's a mind, right? So [116:13] then, oh man, I value that so much. And [116:16] and now once I value that, it's easy to [116:18] love what you value. You see it? It's [116:21] easy to love what you value. And so once [116:24] you realize this this natural, simple, [116:26] profound self, you want to give it away. [116:30] I give it away to dogs. And because I do [116:32] that, I get to rehabilitate dogs that [116:34] people unconsciously have confused. [116:38] See, because dogs in America, you know, [116:40] dogs in to our country are skinny, but [116:42] they don't have psychological problems. [116:43] Dogs in America are chunky and I get to [116:45] have a TV show. So, dogs in America [116:47] should be the happiest, healthiest, [116:50] loving, smartest dog on earth because [116:52] that dogs in America have rights. [116:55] You understand that concept? But why [116:57] would a guy from Mexico comes to America [117:00] and National Geographic gives them a TV [117:03] show? [117:04] Because America was uh created [117:07] fightlight avoidance unconsciously. Even [117:10] though America loves dogs more than any [117:13] other country I ever seen in my life, [117:15] dogs have birthday parties in America. [117:17] Dogs have Christmas presents in America. [117:20] Dogs get married in America. Dogs get [117:22] married. [117:25] That's, you know, taking the [117:26] humanization to another level. But [117:27] that's that's just shows you, you know, [117:29] the uh the [117:31] creativity of human. But not because the [117:34] dog has all this money, fame and power. [117:36] The dog is happy. [117:38] >> My goal is is for people to understand [117:40] that, you know, happiness and health and [117:43] and and having a good heart and having a [117:44] a good creative mind. You shouldn't [117:47] think too much, [117:48] >> right? It's just it's just about being [117:50] grateful, right? It's just about being [117:52] thankful. It's about loving those two [117:54] things. And then make sure that your [117:56] mind learn achieve gives it away or [117:58] learn to turn it off. So don't use your [118:00] mind to think bad things. What's your [118:02] process for turning off your mind? This [118:05] is a very um common challenge for [118:09] people. [118:09] >> I think the easiest way for people to [118:11] experience because they have to see it, [118:12] right? You can tell people no, but if [118:14] they don't see it inside, they they're [118:16] never going to see understand what you [118:18] mean. So, what what I help people with [118:21] is I put them in the cold plunge, [118:24] >> right? And once they go through the [118:26] fightlight avoidance, they want to see [118:27] and they get to the calm surrender. What [118:29] are you thinking? I'm thinking nothing. [118:31] That's exactly what what what a clear [118:34] mind looks like, [118:35] >> right? So through that cold plunge [118:37] experience, the human gets to understand [118:40] breath, [118:41] >> patience, [118:42] >> you know, confidence [118:44] >> and not to think anything because you're [118:46] doing this with your spirit and your [118:47] instinct and your heart. This is your [118:49] mind just have to wait for the the three [118:51] minutes [118:52] >> that's it without anticipation. So [118:54] there's just nothing there, right? And [118:57] then of course the call doesn't let you [118:59] think. Mhm. [119:00] >> Right. But the only thing you can do is [119:01] breathe and wait. And so then once they [119:05] see it, okay, that is the meaning of not [119:07] having nothing in your mind, [119:09] >> right? So I make them experience it [119:11] versus if I just tell them, [119:13] >> they can't picture it. As somebody who's [119:16] a real believer, as you probably know, [119:17] in deliberate cold exposure, I mean, I [119:19] think it's [119:20] >> it's uh people it's zero cost. I mean, [119:22] you use a cold shower, you know, it [119:24] saves on the water bill. So this isn't [119:26] like having to run out and buy [119:27] something. what it tells me because the [119:30] cold plunge [119:32] immediately reliably releases [119:34] adrenaline. [119:34] >> Yeah. [119:35] >> Which then wakes up the brain as well. [119:37] >> That's your instinct. [119:38] >> Shuts down the forebrain. The very It's [119:41] fascinating um that you're saying this [119:43] because the forebrain is strategy etc. [119:47] But in the first 20 or 30 seconds of [119:50] deliberate cold exposure, the prefrontal [119:52] cortex which controls all the top down [119:54] inhibition of impulse is it's not shut [119:56] off, but it is greatly diminished. [119:59] >> You can't strategize well. You're just [120:00] thinking out, [120:02] >> you know, [120:03] >> so you're saying people need to get past [120:05] the point where they're trying to uh [120:08] suppress impulse, but they need to [120:09] experience adrenaline. [120:10] >> That's right. [120:11] >> Got it. [120:12] >> Yeah. That's right. [120:13] >> So they get to peace. [120:15] >> Yeah. Yep. And that's the energy to [120:17] bring [120:18] >> to your interaction with your dog. [120:20] >> Yes. [120:20] >> And ideally to your spouse and your kids [120:22] too. [120:22] >> Everywhere. [120:24] >> Everywhere. So a human after a cold [120:26] plunch brings that energy everywhere. [120:27] You don't have to talk. Everybody knows [120:29] your energy feels really good. All [120:31] because you went to mother nature, [120:33] right? That's mother nature. Coal, [120:36] >> right? It's water, cold, that's mother [120:37] nature, right? So imagine you bring that [120:41] energy to your to to meeting a dog, to [120:43] walking with a dog, to feeding a dog. [120:46] That's it. That's all I want people to [120:48] experience because everybody wants a [120:49] they want to do that, right? Or they [120:51] want to do I'm not aware how I feel. I [120:53] just want to give affection. You see it? [120:55] So that so that that is good for the [120:58] human, not necessarily good for [121:00] everybody else because that human [121:01] spreading that energy. So my goal is for [121:04] people to spread, you know, silence, [121:06] calmness, confidence, love, joy, because [121:08] that's exactly how you feel after a cold [121:09] lunch. [121:10] >> Exactly. In three minutes, [121:13] you get into that state. You have to [121:14] learn to love, you know, the the process [121:16] of I'm going to fight flight avoidance. [121:19] >> But I'm not going to listen to that part [121:21] of me. I'm going to listen to my calm [121:23] surrender. [121:25] >> I'm going to listen to my calm [121:26] confidence. And then once I finish, I'm [121:28] going to listen to my happy golucky. And [121:31] that's all you want. That's it. Those [121:33] three state of minds are super powerful. [121:35] You know, I've thought a lot about [121:36] deliberate cold exposure, adrenaline, [121:39] norepinephrine. You get this long arc of [121:41] dopamine that lasts hours and hours and [121:44] hours afterwards. And that my critics [121:46] will say, well, it's just dopamine in [121:48] the body, not in the brain. Actually, [121:49] new findings show it's dopamine in your [121:50] brain and body. Long arc. Very few [121:53] things produce this thing of longlasting [121:56] dopamine. Drugs will spike in drugs, [121:58] >> right? Well, a good relationship with a [122:00] dog is long-lasting dopamine. You know, [122:02] a well- balanced dog is a longlasting [122:06] whatever you want. You know, I hope you [122:09] want the four worlds. Your spirit, your [122:11] instinct, your heart, and your mind. All [122:12] of them by walking. Just walk with the [122:14] dog for a long period of time. Then you [122:16] do your play explore. [122:18] That's the best medicine any human can [122:21] can get. It's the the amount of peace [122:24] that I still get from my relationship [122:26] with Costello. I mean, he's passed now, [122:28] but he's still believe in his spirit. [122:31] Uh, is [122:32] >> I mean, I would spirit. I It makes me [122:35] well up, you know, not out of sadness. [122:36] It's like I can feel the the love of the [122:39] relationship. [122:40] >> Correct. [122:40] >> You know, I had to ask and and on my [122:43] list and I'm going to ask, is this the [122:44] right time? I believe um so as Costello [122:49] got to 11 years old, it's pretty old for [122:51] a bulldog. [122:52] >> That's right. [122:52] >> He had a some sort of spinal stroke. He [122:54] couldn't walk. He was falling over. I [122:56] was like distraught. How can I get this [122:58] fixed? And at some point I realized, you [122:59] know, when people say like they'll let [123:01] you know. [123:02] >> Yes. [123:03] >> I had a a feeling and then a thought and [123:05] it went something like this. [123:08] >> I made a contract with him to take care [123:10] of him. [123:11] >> Yeah. [123:12] >> And in the contract of being a really [123:15] good dog owner, but like mostly in the [123:18] contract of the relationship, I owed him [123:20] a a peaceful exit. Hated going to the [123:23] vet. So, I got someone to come to the [123:25] house and do this thing. [123:26] >> Most people, they hate the concept of [123:28] death, especially in family members or a [123:31] dog. [123:32] >> And I think it would have been useful to [123:35] me to understand the day I got him that [123:38] someday this is going to end. [123:39] >> Yeah. [123:40] >> And I think like this thing about [123:43] honoring death as a real thing. [123:45] >> Mhm. [123:46] >> Uh is so important because that last two [123:49] weeks was a real struggle between me and [123:51] myself. My desire to just keep it going. [123:53] And I realized I was being selfish. It [123:54] was about me. And of course, I [123:56] >> I gave him the best passage I I could. [123:59] >> And people in my life who knew me and [124:01] knew my relationship to him, they said, [124:02] "I I actually can't believe you did it. [124:04] I'm surprised you were able to." But the [124:07] moment I realized like, "This is the [124:09] final line in being the in the contract [124:11] of being a really good dog owner." [124:14] >> I was like, "Of course I have to do [124:16] this." [124:16] >> Yeah. So, no one likes this topic, but [124:20] given where you're from, what is your [124:22] relationship to the concept of death as [124:24] it relates to to dogs? And the question [124:27] is very specific here. Do people say [124:29] they know, they'll let you know? [124:31] >> Yeah. [124:32] >> The question I want to know is, is it [124:35] okay to show your dog sadness or does it [124:38] make the dog that's dying more anxious? [124:41] With my kids, because I have two kids [124:42] and you know, obviously we have a pack [124:44] of dogs. they have experienced dogs [124:46] passing. We always make a celebration. I [124:48] always bring them to they favor place. [124:51] So I I definitely bring more the energy [124:53] of happiness and I I ask my kids if [124:56] you're going to cry or whatever just do [124:57] it away from them otherwise you hold [124:59] them. [125:00] >> Mhm. [125:01] >> Right. So I don't I want them to go [125:02] back. That's why it's so good to think [125:04] to believe in God because they're going [125:06] back to the source. So they're way [125:09] better with him than with you know here [125:11] on earth. I did my homework right too [125:12] also. So I feel really good that I gave [125:16] the best life [125:17] >> uh for that particular dog, right? Um [125:20] and so when it's time to go, they tell [125:22] you they tell you they can, you know, [125:24] many many signs, but uh at the same time [125:27] is, you know, when it's the day is [125:29] everybody happy. Everybody's happy. [125:31] We're going to we're going to dance. [125:32] We're going to celebrate. We're going to [125:34] uh you know, it's a ritual. You can make [125:35] a sad ritual or you can make a happy [125:38] ritual. You see, it's time for him to [125:40] depart. Time to go. So when I die, I [125:43] want everybody to be happy. Okay? I [125:45] don't want no sadness. I listen, my life [125:48] is beyond what I thought, right? So I I [125:51] give that same life to a dog. Same is [125:54] I'm very dedicated human. Seven days a [125:57] week, uh uh even if I don't feel good, [126:00] it doesn't matter. I go and walk that [126:02] pack. [126:03] >> I'm very committed, [126:05] >> right? It's all about honor. It's all [126:06] about respect. It's that's my way of [126:08] showing my heart. And in my mind, I [126:11] don't have one day that I I did wrong by [126:14] them. So when it's time for them to go, [126:16] it's time for them to go, but we're [126:17] going to make happy about it because [126:18] they're going back to God. That's how I [126:20] see it. And you know, as you as you as [126:22] you're talking about that, spirit never [126:24] dies. [126:24] >> Mhm. [126:25] >> You know, spirit never dies. And it's an [126:26] opening for me to help another soul and [126:28] another soul because that's what that's [126:30] why I'm here, right? I'm here uh on [126:32] earth to my time can be used wisely to [126:35] keep helping [126:36] >> and that's what I find you know my [126:39] inspiration motivation. That's it. [126:42] >> Beautiful. Not what I expected and I'm [126:44] so pleasantly surprised. I uh it [126:49] challenges me to even say it cuz he's [126:50] still so new. But when Strummer dies, [126:52] >> the last uh 24 hours of his life will be [126:55] a celebration with him. [126:56] >> Yeah. Celebration. [126:57] >> All right. [126:58] >> Yeah. He says happy spirit. you know, [127:00] sing, laugh, dance, you know, uh just [127:04] happiness [127:05] >> cuz they once you start going like this, [127:07] they don't they they get worried, [127:10] >> you know, and then the spirit lingers [127:13] and you don't want it. You just wanted [127:14] to go, you know, and for them to give [127:16] you direction, protection. This, you [127:18] know, I have a big pack on heaven. [127:21] >> You definitely have a big pack waiting [127:23] for you. [127:23] >> When I go home, you I'm going to have [127:26] the, you know, how many dogs have I [127:28] saved my life? So, yeah, I'm going home. [127:32] >> I love it. [127:33] >> You know, Earth is a beautiful home, but [127:35] it's temporary. [127:36] >> Yeah. Well, I believe this, too. You [127:38] know, [127:39] >> I've talked a bit about my faith as now [127:40] is not the time, but I'm, you know, my [127:42] audience knows I'm very [127:44] >> very much in in agreement that, you [127:46] know, this is this is an amazing phase [127:48] of us, but it's not the only phase. And [127:50] so, if people are feeling [127:53] >> uh sad, like, you know, the number of [127:54] people I know who turn to their dog for [127:56] emotional support [127:57] >> Yes. around a loss of a loved one or a [128:00] breakup or loss of a judges or the [128:02] world, whatever. [128:03] >> Yeah. [128:05] >> What is your stance on that? [128:07] >> It's bad because they're passing that [128:08] energy. The dog doesn't know what [128:10] happened. [128:10] >> But I mean, obviously, they're going to [128:12] help you absorb the energy, but after [128:14] you did that, just take him to the beach [128:17] so he can let go to the energy. Same [128:19] thing when you bring a dog to a [128:20] hospital, right? And the therapy dogs, [128:22] they go to hospitals, you know, kids [128:24] with cancer da depressed people, blah [128:26] blah blah. That dog absorbs that energy. [128:29] >> Okay? Just like you will and absorb [128:31] people's energy, your job is to go and [128:33] let it go. [128:35] >> So every time you give bad energy as you [128:37] know help people or help dogs to get rid [128:39] of that energy that is not healthy for [128:41] them. [128:42] >> Yeah. Utilize it you know is is [128:44] available. Uh but again you can also go [128:48] and take a co plunch before you hug the [128:49] dog and that way you kill that energy [128:52] you know kill bad energy just kill it [128:54] >> and only give good energy to your family [128:56] give good energy to your home it's [128:58] discipline [128:59] >> it's easier to just to go and throw that [129:02] negative energy that you just grabbed [129:03] it's easier but then you spread that [129:05] whole thing everywhere [129:07] >> oh man I saw in so many laboratories [129:10] where the the boss you know brilliant [129:12] scientists I think one in particular and [129:14] they would do this like what I would [129:16] call trickle down anxiety. They'd be [129:17] stressed and they'd walk through the lab [129:19] stressing out. Graduate school is [129:21] already hard. Yeah. Especially in the if [129:23] I may in the sciences very very hard, [129:25] very competitive. [129:27] >> Posttock is even more uncertain like you [129:29] don't you don't get a degree at the end. [129:31] You're investing five years of your life [129:32] you know and for to walk around the boss [129:34] walking around like making people [129:36] anxious. Yeah. Terrible. The other thing [129:38] that was terrible was walking around [129:39] making people feel overly confident. [129:41] People would do that too. So everything [129:42] you're saying it's like you could see it [129:44] in these very hierarchical human [129:46] relationships. [129:47] >> But I think with dogs we we're so what [129:50] I'm just going to say it. I feel like [129:52] >> we are so selfish [129:54] >> as a species like that these animals are [129:57] here for us and just for us to give me [129:59] love when I get home to console me when [130:01] I'm sad to give me all the things I [130:04] want. [130:04] >> Yeah. [130:04] >> That I would be blind to the the basic [130:07] needs of that animal. It's it's really [130:10] is it's as selfish in my opinion as [130:12] saying, "Oh, these are animals that we [130:15] work on that just serve our purposes to [130:17] advance our careers or scientific [130:18] understanding." And again, there's a [130:20] place for that, but we have to be [130:21] incredibly nuanced about where that's [130:23] appropriate and where it's [130:24] inappropriate. [130:25] >> It's just a selfishness, [130:26] >> the selfish part and the unselfish part. [130:29] So, what I'm saying is don't forget, you [130:32] know, to be at service before somebody's [130:33] at service to you, [130:35] >> right? So, the spirit instinct love to [130:37] be at service. And then the the the love [130:40] and and the mind loves to be served. [130:43] >> So this is your selfish part of it. And [130:45] this is your unselfish part of it. [130:47] >> You see it? So you're here to serve God [130:50] and you're here to serve earth. All [130:52] right? So you don't forget that, [130:55] >> right? To be at service because they [130:57] skip it. So once you once you go [130:59] directly to the heart and the mind, this [131:01] is what I want. I want my dog to love [131:02] me. Okay, fine. You just skip spirited [131:05] instinct, [131:06] right? Because a spirit will never bring [131:08] bad energy to the heart [131:11] >> and in instinct will never bring bad [131:12] energy to the mind. You see? [131:16] >> So, so if you remember that you are four [131:18] things and and this is what you want to [131:21] give to your dog, to yourself, to your [131:23] house, to your family, and then you're [131:25] going to be focusing on on on making [131:27] sure that uh you snap out of it whatever [131:29] like you do on yourself [131:31] >> to snap out of it, [131:33] >> right? And then and then you go bring, [131:35] you know, patience, calmness, confident, [131:37] love, and then you go hug the dog. Mhm. [131:39] >> So, you also have to learn to snap [131:41] yourself out of it from whatever energy [131:44] you went and attract. It's it's like [131:46] stepping on poop. You got to remove your [131:48] your shoe before you walk into the [131:50] house. Otherwise, you bring that in. So, [131:52] energy is the same way. It's like poop [131:54] on your feet. [131:55] >> Bad energy is the same. You're going to [131:57] straight all over the house. Absolutely. [131:59] Your plants are going to die. You know, [132:01] your dogs are going to be like, "Okay, [132:03] this energy is is not good." So, we [132:05] Right. And then your family will will [132:07] get it. So, you enter you're going to [132:10] enter into this dark energy. [132:13] >> These days on social media, there's so [132:15] much I'm realizing about the lowlevel [132:19] um stuff like you should never hug a [132:22] dog. You should hug a dog. You should [132:24] never pick up your dog off the ground. [132:26] It's okay to pick up your dog should [132:28] never be in your bed. Your dog should be [132:29] in your bed. You see all these [132:31] contradictions. You see the same thing [132:32] in the health space. Yeah. like you [132:34] should co punch, you shouldn't co punch, [132:35] you should sauna, you should like [132:36] >> it it and it comes down to a basic fact [132:39] which is that it's not about the [132:41] practice, it's the it's the principle [132:43] behind it, the spirit behind it, the [132:45] energy behind it. So I was tempted to [132:47] ask you like is it bad to pick up the [132:49] dog? Actually strummer loves being held [132:51] hated it. Strummer he's h he's basically [132:54] happiest just being carried around but I [132:56] know you don't I don't carry around too [132:58] much [132:59] >> but it's funny he just drapes. He's so [133:01] happy that way. He he wishes he could go [133:02] through the world that way. Frankly, [133:04] >> it's not about carry or no carry. [133:07] >> No, [133:07] >> it's about what is your energy? Why are [133:10] you doing this? Is it for you? Is it for [133:12] them? What's Okay. [133:14] >> And if the dog feels because you know, [133:16] you can ask a groomer or a vet. They [133:18] have to carry that dog. [133:20] >> But they can't carry a fight avoidance, [133:22] >> right? [133:23] >> They can only carry a happy golucky one [133:24] or a cal surrender one. [133:26] >> Those are So, it's nothing wrong hugging [133:28] a dog. There's nothing wrong putting a [133:30] dog on the bed. There's nothing wrong. [133:31] It's just what state of mind the dog was [133:33] in when you did this is more important. [133:37] >> Mhm. [133:37] >> Right. Because what about if a dog is in [133:39] a is in a flight state and you want to [133:40] carry him, he's going to feel trapped [133:43] and then the dog is going to bite or [133:44] he's going to pee or he's going to [133:46] scream, right? So, you could have [133:48] prevented that just by not focusing on [133:49] what you wanted to do. Is is the dog [133:52] that you want to do that in a calm [133:54] surrender state? [133:55] >> Right? Can a dog stay on the bed? [133:58] There's nothing wrong, you know, sharing [133:59] your house with the dog is and think [134:01] about invading versus inviting. [134:04] >> Okay? So when the dog goes on his own, [134:06] >> he's invite invading. [134:08] >> When the dog is waiting and then you [134:10] tell them to come over and you tell him [134:11] where to go, that's being invited. So [134:13] that mind is going to become [134:15] surrendered. The other one is going to [134:17] get territorial. You know how many times [134:19] I have rehabilitated dogs who claim [134:21] people's bed where the husband can't [134:24] come near the bed because the wife and [134:28] the dog were already there. [134:30] >> I I I done a rehabilitation where the [134:32] husband slept in the living room for [134:34] three years because she wanted the dogs [134:37] to stay on the bed and when every time [134:39] the guy came into the into the bedroom [134:42] uh the dogs were after him. [134:44] >> I'm sure everyone is thinking what did [134:45] he do wrong? This is, you know, we're [134:47] living in this time now where there's [134:48] this projection of like, well, he must [134:51] have done something wrong. I don't I can [134:53] also imagine [134:54] >> the situation you just described where [134:56] no one did anything wrong except give [134:58] the dog too much power. Correct. [134:59] >> That there's actually Let's assume [135:01] there's no problem between the couple. [135:02] Correct. She would like the husband in [135:03] the bed perhaps. But but the dog is [135:06] somehow picking up on something. [135:08] >> Yeah. No, no. She said it clearly to me. [135:10] I just don't want him on the bed. [135:12] >> The husband. [135:13] >> Uhhuh. [135:13] >> Okay. So there the dog is basically [135:16] taking advantage of the open. [135:17] >> Well, listen, let's say you guys want to [135:19] spend 20 minutes on the bed. Let me show [135:20] you how to do it. [135:22] >> And so that's what I I taught the dogs [135:24] just to wait. [135:25] >> Wow. [135:26] >> Right. But she needed to make sure that [135:28] uh she agrees with agreement, [135:30] commitment, followthrough, right? [135:31] Nothing can happen without agreement. So [135:33] she needs to be in 100% agreement. [135:35] Otherwise, the dog will not do it. [135:38] >> They really can sense. [135:39] >> Yeah. any kind of small fraction of [135:42] >> your energy goes down, they're going to [135:43] take over. Your energy goes up, they're [135:45] going to move away, [135:47] >> right? Your energy have to be bigger for [135:48] you to create the follow. [135:51] >> If your energy goes down, you follow [135:52] them. [135:54] Simple as that. Simple as that. You just [135:57] you just have to remember energy, right? [135:59] And then if you want to lead, this is [136:01] the animals. You can lead humans lying [136:03] to them all day long. But with animals, [136:06] you can't. You have to bring the perfect [136:08] energy, the right energy, an energy that [136:10] belongs to all of us, right? Your [136:12] patient energy, your calm energy, your [136:14] confident energy, your love energy, your [136:16] We all have that inside of us, right? [136:19] God gave us all the same thing. That's [136:23] up to you. Do you go from the back of [136:25] the pack to the front of the pack? [136:26] That's up to you, right? But you have [136:29] patience, calmness, confidence, love, [136:31] joy, because that's how you're going to [136:32] deal with life, right? So with animals [136:36] it's a perfect way to maintain this you [136:40] know within yourself [136:41] >> right it's like a gym going to the gym [136:43] every day right but it's just the gym is [136:46] mother nature the beach the streets [136:48] whatever you're just walking around with [136:50] dogs in a natural simple profound way [136:53] and that's it then you go to work so [136:55] imagine if people develop this beautiful [136:57] habit okay I'm going to do what Caesar [136:59] says you know silence calmness [137:01] confidence love joy for 30 40 minutes [137:03] and Then I'm going to feel the silence. [137:06] I come. Then I go to work, [137:09] right? And when I come back, no [137:10] touching, no talk, no contact, sending [137:11] my dog back in her. And then I can do [137:13] the greeting. Then I go for another [137:15] walk, right? And then you can do the [137:18] play and explore. [137:20] No bad behavior would happen in your [137:22] house with that simple formula. I love [137:26] it. I I hope that people start to think [137:28] about their dog and getting a dog as [137:30] more of a gym as opposed to I'm we're [137:35] going to get a fur baby. I have a friend [137:36] uh have to be very careful here. Uh this [137:39] is truly not about my household, but I [137:40] have a friend, she's married, they're [137:42] going through some struggles, they have [137:43] two kids, and she told me the other day, [137:45] they never had a dog. She's going to get [137:47] two husky puppies. And I said, "Do me a [137:51] favor. Just get one." [137:53] >> Yeah. [137:54] >> In 6 months if you But they want each [137:55] other. this and that and the the kids [137:57] are young. There's no way and I and I [137:59] know the struggles that they're having [138:00] and it's they're both overworked. [138:02] They're underresourced. So, this is uh [138:04] and they love each other very much, but [138:06] this is like a really hard situation, [138:08] >> right? [138:08] >> And I'm thinking to myself, I want to be [138:11] supportive. And I said, [138:13] >> do not get a puppy now. And if you do, [138:15] do not get two puppies. This is like [138:18] insanity. like you you like you want to [138:20] like it could break your family or and [138:22] she said but I promised the kids [138:24] >> break your heart because you have to get [138:25] rid of the dogs. So this she said my it [138:27] was a story. It's very interesting. She [138:28] said when I was growing up my parents [138:30] would make these promises and they [138:31] wouldn't do it. And I told and it broke [138:33] my heart and I told my kids they could [138:35] each get one. [138:36] >> And I said I said well you have no idea [138:39] the kind of heartbreak they're going to [138:40] experience when you have to give them [138:42] both back because [138:44] >> one is biting the kid or one is you know [138:46] like and she was like oh I wouldn't want [138:47] that. And I was thinking to myself and [138:49] you're already underresourced. I share [138:51] this because I'm realizing throughout [138:52] today's conversation, our concept of [138:54] dogs and what they owe us [138:56] >> is completely backwards. She's a very [138:58] good person. I won't state her [138:59] profession for states of but she's in a [139:02] >> a a a profession of [139:05] >> intense service all day long and has [139:08] I've known her for more than two [139:09] decades. [139:10] >> But the concept is these puppies are [139:11] going to come here and rescue us. [139:13] >> Yeah. [139:13] >> This is like fulfill the dream that I [139:16] had. [139:17] >> Yeah. [139:17] >> Right. uh with pre prior to you know [139:19] with my parents [139:20] >> more love just more love can't be bad [139:22] more love can't be bad [139:23] >> yeah and they're huskys right so this is [139:25] a breed they love to migrate longer than [139:28] any other breed in the world right so [139:30] walking is one thing migration is [139:32] another [139:33] >> this is why I got a bulldog why I got a [139:35] bull bulldog breed I didn't get a [139:37] purebred bulldog [139:38] >> because I they have issues [139:40] >> yeah they have issues [139:40] >> but yeah a dog that needs to migrate how [139:43] much walking do they need per day [139:44] ideally [139:45] >> hours and especially a pack so the [139:47] bigger the pack, the longer the walk. [139:48] >> Oh, no. They they both work such [139:50] >> great. [139:51] >> You can also let her know, hey, begin [139:52] with a fostering so that way they get to [139:55] know themselves as a family. Is [139:57] everybody in agreement? Is everybody [139:59] understand what the rules, boundaries, [140:00] limitations are? Does everybody [140:02] understand what the responsibilities [140:04] are? [140:05] >> Can can we all see our good habits and [140:07] our bad habits? [140:09] >> You know, do we all follow through? So, [140:11] with a foster dog, you're not adopting [140:13] them. You're just temporarily keeping [140:15] him in that house. So the dog gets, you [140:17] know, a a home and and a family. It [140:20] doesn't necessarily have to stay in the [140:22] house, but the human gets to learn about [140:24] themselves [140:25] >> before they enter into the purchase or [140:28] the adoption, [140:29] >> right? So to have two puppies, huskys, [140:31] you got to have to purchase them, right? [140:33] And so she's going to go into make a [140:35] purchase. And then eventually you [140:36] realize we were not ready as a family. [140:40] In my mind, I was ready. But in the [140:43] whole pack, we're not ready, [140:46] >> right? And in the puppyhood is that's [140:48] from birth to eight months. So in a [140:51] matter of six months, you have a dog [140:53] that is this big who is an adolescent [140:55] now. Right? Now you got to think about [140:58] spay and neuter because if you don't, [141:00] then you deal with the the uh you know [141:03] the hormones and then they can start [141:04] fighting with each other. [141:06] >> What's your take on spay and neuter? [141:07] Well, in America it's necessary and [141:09] because dogs are not going to mate and [141:12] so uh and they spend a lot of time [141:14] indoor. [141:16] >> So I neutered Costello. [141:17] >> Yeah. [141:18] >> Uh I [141:20] put him on testosterone therapy his [141:22] final two years. Um vets that I knew [141:26] said we would love to be able to do that [141:28] more but there are reasons we don't. [141:29] With uh Strummer I thought [141:32] >> keep him intact. [141:33] >> Yeah. [141:33] >> Then people say oh but then they're [141:35] going to mate with all the dogs in the [141:36] neighborhood. You can also give a dog a [141:37] vasectomy. This very easy procedure. [141:39] It's funny we don't do that. I learned [141:41] that in Australia [141:43] >> it's illegal to not neuter your dog. In [141:46] Scandinavia it's illegal to neuter, [141:48] right? [141:49] >> What in the world is best? [141:50] >> Well, it depends on the on the on the [141:52] place, right? Because in America, [141:54] without a doubt, uh since the dogs don't [141:56] go out as often, they they're relied on [141:59] the human dogs in a to country, they're [142:01] not neuter, but they're not looking for [142:03] trouble. They're not, you know, they're [142:04] they made when the female gets in heat. [142:06] Otherwise, they're busy looking for food [142:08] and water. So, you know, as long as you [142:10] use your energy for uh to for survival [142:13] purposes, you're not going to develop [142:15] frustration. Mhm. [142:16] >> So, so what happens, you know, when a [142:18] dog is intact and they don't get to walk [142:21] enough and they don't get to be [142:22] challenged enough and then it all goes [142:25] into the arouse and their the whole day [142:28] uh they're excited and it people go, [142:30] "Oh, baby, the thing comes out, right?" [142:33] And then and then the dog gets excited. [142:35] How many I don't know if you ever seen [142:36] it, but I've seen it a lot. Dogs humping [142:39] their owners or dogs humping uh uh [142:42] furniture in the house. I mean, Costello [142:44] tried to hump me once. [142:46] >> Yeah. [142:46] >> It never happened again. I just made it [142:48] I just made it very clear that was not [142:50] okay. And I I used isolation. I just put [142:53] him back in the thing. I left, [142:55] >> came back. [142:56] >> Yeah. [142:57] >> I sent him the message mentally, [143:00] energetically. [143:01] >> That's never happening again. [143:03] >> It was very stern. [143:05] >> It has to be clear day one. [143:07] >> So that happens on day one. But a lot of [143:09] times people go, "No, [143:11] no, no." They're so they more celebrate [143:14] that right and so they end up in a [143:17] celebration and and end up funny but the [143:19] dog end up becoming more and more [143:21] aroused about the humans. So now he's [143:23] mounting which as you know is is a [143:26] sexual and is dominance [143:27] >> you know behavior towards the human. So [143:30] uh in America definitely a dog needs to [143:33] uh be neutered more more often. Plus, we [143:35] have an overpopulation, right? [143:37] >> You know, millions of dogs die every [143:38] year uh because there's an [143:40] overpopulation problem and that's [143:41] taxpayer money who pays for for the [143:44] killing of dogs. So, it's important that [143:46] we regulate [143:47] >> uh that through that's the only way you [143:49] can regulate that. [143:50] >> I see these crazy things on Instagram. [143:52] Someone says you when you pet your dog, [143:54] it should be slow. No, when you pet your [143:57] dog, you should rub. I'm guessing [143:59] doesn't matter. It's the energy behind [144:01] it. [144:01] >> Yeah. I mean, you obviously don't want [144:02] to push against the fur, but somebody [144:04] was saying, you know, all all people are [144:06] like petting their dog too fast. They [144:07] don't like that. Is this just people [144:09] making stuff up? [144:10] >> Look, so if a dog is doing agility and [144:12] the dog is like excited because he's [144:13] doing agility, pet him hard, pet him [144:15] fast because you want him like that. But [144:17] if you want the dog to be in a [144:19] restaurant, pet himself. So, it's [144:21] dependent what you want the mind to [144:23] feel. You see what I mean? You don't [144:25] want to pet fast in a restaurant, you [144:28] know, and slow in agility. [144:31] So it's it's it's it's not the action, [144:33] it's what are you petting? [144:35] >> Makes total sense. Makes total sense. I [144:37] mean a softy calm, you know, calm [144:40] >> restaurant means calm. [144:41] >> Mhm. [144:41] >> Agility means go for it. [144:43] >> Good job. Yeah. Go for it, right? [144:46] >> It's like what FIFA is doing right now. [144:47] All the Everybody's excited. Nobody's [144:50] like, [144:51] >> you see this [144:52] >> with um barking. Uh I learned from your [144:56] book like if Costel or when he was a [144:58] puppy, he he could let it out. [145:00] >> Yeah. And the temptation is to say no. [145:03] But why would you shout back to a dog [145:05] that's vocalizing? So [145:07] >> I would just walk away and then when he [145:10] was quiet I'd come back. [145:11] >> There you go. [145:11] >> And then pretty soon he realized nobody [145:14] wants to be around a barking dog. [145:16] >> And somehow he knew instinctually that [145:19] if there was a threat or someone, you [145:21] know, he sensed a threat, a bark, he [145:23] only would bark once. He had this [145:26] >> I mean he had this like I mean man his [145:28] he was a beautiful specimen I have to [145:30] say he was just so beautiful but his [145:32] barks were like [145:33] >> a bass drum [145:35] >> but it was one [145:36] >> and then we just but he would never just [145:38] sit there and bark. I think a lot of [145:40] people their dog barks and they talk to [145:41] their dog so presumably [145:43] >> right [145:43] >> the dog is barking because that's what [145:45] gets them some sort of feedback [145:47] attention. [145:48] >> That's right. That's right. Or or the [145:49] dog is also his only way to drain [145:52] energy. M [145:53] >> right like when my dog obsessively bark. [145:55] How often do you walk? Uh once a week, [145:57] twice a week or whatever. So So the [145:59] barking becomes a way of draining energy [146:01] >> or like destroying your house, you know, [146:04] a destructive behavior. Why would a dog [146:05] destroy where he sleep? Well, because he [146:07] doesn't do much with his body and his [146:09] mind. So he has to drain that energy and [146:11] that's what we call destructive [146:13] behavior. But people don't understand [146:15] that we are not we're in a way [146:17] practicing destructive behavior by not [146:19] doing what we supposed to be doing which [146:21] is walking the dog every single day at [146:23] the moment they wake up in the morning [146:24] they stretch and the second thing they [146:26] want to do is walk [146:27] >> should you wait for your dog to get up [146:29] what if you have to go to work should [146:30] you force your dog to wake up and walk [146:32] >> I certainly would they're daytime [146:34] animals so the biologist is definitely [146:36] as soon as the sun comes up they they [146:39] should go you know they should go [146:40] >> this is what we do with strummer even [146:43] bulldog. I mean, they'll sleep till [146:44] 10:00 a.m., but um we we have to work, [146:47] so we take them. [146:49] >> No, take care of it. It's easier. It's [146:50] actually better, right? Because he's [146:52] like, I got to but then you drain the [146:54] energy quicker. [146:55] >> Yeah, it's way better because you want [146:57] them to stay waiting for you in a [146:58] resting state. So, it's five body [147:00] motions the animals do. They stretch as [147:02] soon as they wake up, right? Walk, run, [147:05] rest, sleep. So, a lot of times when you [147:07] don't walk the dog or run the dog and [147:09] you want the dog to wait for you, he [147:10] can't go into a resting state. M [147:13] >> you see it. So it's very important that [147:15] we follow the the five body motions [147:17] because every single animal as soon as [147:19] they wake up they stretch. [147:20] >> The bird flies, [147:22] >> right? And the the dog walks and and and [147:24] the rest of the animals the the the [147:26] water animals they swim, right? So there [147:29] is a um a a formula that they have. So [147:33] if we want them to wait for us, we have [147:35] to leave them in a resting state [147:38] >> and they just that's the meaning of [147:40] waiting state. That's it, [147:41] >> right? But they can't wait or rest if [147:44] the body and the mind has not been [147:45] drained. And another another reason why [147:48] the walk is so important [147:50] >> because the walk is is the only activity [147:52] from play and explore that gives them [147:54] calm surrender. Play and explore gives [147:56] them an excited energy. [147:58] >> Do you recommend walking them on the [148:00] same path novel path um giving them new [148:03] >> in the beginning? Yes. Then the the the [148:05] same path is important that create you [148:07] know trust to the environment but once [148:09] they they they know it very well you [148:11] have to change it. [148:13] >> Yeah. And and you don't have to change [148:14] like even going on a different [148:16] direction. You can just come outside and [148:18] put food in the floor and tempt the dog [148:21] to want to smell and correct them. So [148:23] that creates a challenge. [148:24] >> You see? So you learn to ignore food in [148:26] the floor and you see it. So you start [148:28] creating your own universal studios. So [148:31] your whole house or your whole [148:32] environment becomes your own dog [148:33] psychology center where you're [148:35] challenging your dog, you know, to uh to [148:37] not get bored because they learn a [148:39] pattern really fast and once they learn [148:41] it, there is no growth. So then then the [148:44] mind gets also frustrated, bore or [148:46] confused because there's no growth. [148:49] >> I love it. I train stmer to run on the [148:51] treadmill. [148:52] >> Yeah. [148:52] >> For little rewards here and there, [148:54] intermittent reinforcement. And he loves [148:56] it. He runs now. He jumps on. He gets on [148:57] that thing. Uh, it never occurred to me [148:59] to do this, but I realized that we're in [149:01] California. It doesn't rain too often, [149:03] but even when it rains, I want to have [149:05] something where I can get his energy [149:07] out. If it there's fires again, I want [149:09] to be outside. Anyway, [149:11] >> um, so glad to hear that the treadmill [149:12] is is okay. [149:13] >> You know, the first treadmill I saw, [149:14] remember the show The Jetsons? [149:16] >> Yeah. [149:17] >> Without Jetson. [149:18] >> Yeah, [149:19] >> that was the first dog I ever seen on a [149:20] treadmill and I was a kid. Then I come [149:23] to America and I see a whole bunch of [149:24] treadmills, you know, and in people's [149:26] garage and I say, "Do you ever put your [149:28] dog on a treadmill?" I said, "No. Can [149:30] you put a dog on the treadmill?" I [149:31] learned that by watching the Jetsons. [149:33] >> Oh, very cool. [149:34] >> Then I came and practiced it in America [149:36] because people just had the treadmill, [149:37] but they were not using it. [149:39] >> Wow. [149:39] >> You know, so that's when I started [149:40] putting dogs on the treadmill. And [149:43] people were just fascinated. But I said, [149:45] "Listen, this is not for you to stay [149:47] lazy, right? This is just for [149:48] emergencies, [149:50] >> okay? and for you to challenge the mind [149:53] and and and you know and and that's it. [149:55] But it's not it's not so you don't walk. [149:58] >> Yeah. I do a walk with him then bring [150:00] him back and then if he still has a lot [150:02] of energy and I have to go I get him [150:03] going fast on an incline [150:05] >> get him right to his threshold and then [150:07] play with it a little bit. We're done. [150:09] Like we I've been trying to share this [150:10] thing with him like [150:11] >> we this is our thing and now he he loves [150:14] the treadmill. He we dying to get on the [150:16] treadmill. people become more like [150:17] personal trainers. They will challenge [150:18] the dogs a lot more like a personal [150:20] trainer. [150:21] >> You see, so they will be able to, you [150:23] know, challenge the mind and challenge [150:24] the body, challenge the mind, challenge [150:26] the body, as a personal trainer, right? [150:28] And but [150:29] >> but people don't do it, you know, they [150:31] don't do this other uh titles, [150:34] >> right? I just want to be a dog lover or [150:35] the mom of this dog or the father of [150:37] this dog. Yeah. You can also be a coach. [150:39] You can also be a religious coach, you [150:41] know what I mean? Or spiritual coach, uh [150:44] intellectual coach. I mean, don't forget [150:46] that there's four worlds. It's not just [150:49] the emotional world, and that's the only [150:51] one you want to practice cuz that's the [150:52] easiest one. [150:53] >> Mhm. [150:54] >> Right. To love a dog is so easy, you [150:56] know, to challenge him, you know, [150:58] spiritually and instinctually and and [151:00] intellectually, that's it requires [151:02] creativity. [151:03] >> Yeah. That's a great relationship with [151:05] >> Yeah. It's awesome. It's good for you. [151:07] Yeah. [151:07] >> Because if the dog is doing great, that [151:09] means you did great. So, it's a [151:10] reflection of you, right? Right? The dog [151:12] is a reflection of you, your energy, [151:14] your philosophy, your actions. So every [151:16] time you work out with a dog, you're [151:17] working out with yourself. It's just in [151:19] a natural, simple, profound way. [151:22] >> That's it. You know, which is about [151:23] trust, respect, love, safe, peace, love, [151:25] body, mind, heart. Just simple stuff, [151:28] >> right? And that creates the off leash. [151:31] >> That that is, you know, the ultimate we [151:33] should all accomplish. And you shouldn't [151:35] pay for it, right? I'm not trying to get [151:38] my, you know, colleagues, the dog [151:39] trainers, uh, not to get jobs, but it's [151:43] it's um, it's kind of silly that you [151:47] hire somebody to teach your dog off [151:48] leash. You earn that. That's something [151:50] we have to earn. It's good for us [151:52] >> to earn, you know, that that trust, that [151:55] respect, that love. [151:56] >> It's good. It's it's a good exercise. [151:58] It's a good workout. That means you use [152:00] your spirit, your instinct, your heart, [152:02] and your mind every single day of life. [152:04] That's why that dog behaves that way. [152:06] You see, they keep you on track just to [152:09] live a natural, simple, profound life. [152:11] And when you're having a hard time in [152:12] life, that's where you want to go to [152:14] your natural, simple, profound. You [152:16] know, never let this one go. So to have [152:18] a good relationship with a dog is [152:20] automatically let you have a good [152:22] relationship with God. They're together. [152:25] We're the only one that separates them. [152:27] We're the only one that separates [152:28] everything to create chaos. We make a [152:31] lot of things up. What I'm hearing today [152:33] over and over is that if you obey the [152:36] spirit, you obey the instincts, ours and [152:40] these animals, dogs in this case, and [152:44] you put that first, then all the other [152:46] stuff about bed, not bad, pet, not the [152:49] pet, like all the other stuff falls into [152:51] place. [152:52] >> But it's a momentto- moment thing. It's [152:54] a daily thing. There isn't a well, I [152:56] love my dog, it loves me. that that's a [152:58] that's a story that's partially true, [153:00] but there's actually, if I editorialize [153:03] a little bit, there's [153:04] >> there's actually a fair amount of abuse [153:05] of the animal in that situation. [153:07] >> It's very self- serving. [153:09] >> There's abuse of the animal. [153:11] >> But when we align all those things and [153:12] we start from [153:14] >> spirit, [153:16] >> it all kind of falls into place. [153:18] >> Yeah. [153:18] >> But we have to be vigilant and we have [153:20] to basically train ourselves. [153:22] >> This is all about training ourselves. [153:24] >> That's why I train humans, rehabilitate [153:26] dogs. That's that's my job. I train [153:28] humans, rehabilitate dogs. You don't [153:29] have to have a dog to talk to me [153:32] because, you know, uh learning how to be [153:33] with a dog is learning how to be in life [153:35] period. [153:36] >> Right? It's good for you to be a pack [153:38] member, a good pack member at home, you [153:40] need to know what is your position and [153:42] just be contribute to the family, right? [153:45] And bring good energy, good philosophy, [153:46] good action. Even if you're in the back [153:48] of the pack or the middle of the pack or [153:50] the front of the pack, it's not only the [153:51] front of the pack. It has to have good [153:52] energy. It's because he's in that [153:55] position. And he has to be the fittest, [153:58] >> right? Fittest not only physically but [154:00] spiritually, instinctually, emotionally [154:03] and mentally, [154:05] you know, with the body to to take care [154:08] of all those four energies, right? So [154:10] otherwise, it doesn't matter what [154:12] position uh you are in the pack, bring [154:14] good energy, good philosophy, good [154:15] actions, right? And one way that you can [154:18] achieve this every single day is having [154:19] a great relationship with a dog. It just [154:22] makes you a good human. [154:25] Everybody wins that way. It's not about [154:27] training the dog. It's about training [154:28] the human to be a good human, right? And [154:32] then that human is going to have good [154:34] everything because that's that's what [154:35] his energy and philosophy and actions [154:37] are all about. So imagine if the world [154:40] is led by good humans. [154:42] >> Yeah, that's a beautiful image. [154:44] >> Yeah. [154:45] >> Well, Caesar, I am immensely grateful [154:49] for you coming here today. Um, you are [154:53] incredibly knowledgeable, incredibly [154:55] wise. Your your energy is tangible from [154:57] the moment somebody meets you. It's a [154:59] real thing. I I can say that uh having [155:01] experienced it in the room. I'm sure [155:03] people listening are hearing it and [155:05] feeling it as well. You also have a an [155:08] incredible relationship to the the [155:10] spiritual of animals and humans and and [155:12] a real what I hear is a wish for [155:15] humanity and for animals [155:17] >> and uh your relationship to [155:19] >> the things that are timeless. [155:21] >> Yeah. [155:21] >> The past, the present, what happens [155:23] next. It's it's really uh incredible. I [155:26] said it before, I'll say it again. Three [155:28] different ways for the multigenerational [155:32] purpose of it. You're the man. You're [155:34] also incredibly wise and you're a [155:36] virtuoso of bringing together [155:38] information in practical ways that [155:40] people can not just learn how to take [155:42] care of their dog and themselves better, [155:44] but as you pointed out, be a better [155:45] human. So that's it. [155:46] >> You're a special one. Thank you so much. [155:49] >> Thank you. [155:50] >> Thank you for joining me for today's [155:51] discussion with Caesar Milan. 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